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EXCLUSIVE: "Juvenile Didn't Have A Father And Daughter Relationship With My Neice!"
Posted on March 24, 2008 10:00 AM
SOHH Atlanta[See Story Here] did a post on Juvenile recently questioning his emotions over the brutal murder of his estranged daughter.
While Gyant, as usual, was vilified in the comment section, it seems like he was on to something because in a SOHH Ya Heard exclusive I got a letter passed to me early Friday morning from a very reliable source from the uncle of Juvenile’s daughter, Dwayne Deleston. And in it he makes some explosive claims.
RE: Juvenile's Hypocriticalness
March 18, 2008
To whom it may concern,I'm praying this information reach the right person to expose the truth about how Juvenile has used his deceased innocent daughter he ignored. My name is Dwayne Deleston and I'm the brother of Juvenile's deceased baby mother Joy Deleston. It's disturbing to know Juvenile never had a relationship with his deceased daughter but accepts the sympathy like he was a good daddy to the child.
It's not fair to the people who care. Juvenile and his family are receiving all the condolences like they cared about my sister and her kids. Juvenile didn't have a father and daughter relationship with my niece. My sister tried for years to communicate with Juvenile and his family concerning Jelani since Jelani's date of birth to Jelani's unexpected date of death but Juvenile and his mother ignored his child.
Several days before the tragedy Juvenile told my sister, "he did not want nothing to do with her nor Jelani so stop sending pictures to his mother's house because his wife didn't know about Jelani and he is making arrangements to pay the owed excessive child support." Jelani was before Juvenile's marriage so his wife should have accepted her.
That message Juvenile sent to his child before her death was heart-breaking to her and my family, and our Lord is my witness. In the eyes of the Lord, Juvenile will weep what he sow because he did not have a reasonable reason to deny Jelani. His wife should ask him what else is he hiding from her.
For Juvenile to tell his mother to ignore one of his kids is cruel and unusual for a grandmother to do as she was told. I'm revealing a reality check. Juvenile never spoke to his daughter, he never was there for his daughter when she needed him the most nor did he come to her funeral without a reasonable reason not
to.
Juvenile's family was not at the funeral to show their sympathy. Juvenile nor someone from his family sent flowers nor a card nor called my mother to give their condolences.
Juvenile saying, "he's shocked and devastated" after hearing about my sister an her daughters death is hard to believe. Juvenile did a show hours after his daughter's funeral in Augusta, G.A. The final moment his daughter was on earth he did not witness because he did not care about her. Juvenile said, "he is a star and he did not want the attention on him at the funeral. "I'm incarcerated and I made it to the funeral, thanks to the understanding Warden and staff who participated in making sure I was present at the funeral.Three innocent people was killed. These killings got my family puzzled but all we have to do is continue to have faith in our Lord. There's a reason for everything and God knows everybody's heart. Juvenile needs to apologize to his deceased daughter Jelani and Jelani's mother for wrongfully ignoring Jelani when she reached out to him.
Juvenile needs to realize what's in his heart reflects on the outside. I greatly appreciate your condolences in light of my loved ones death. May God bless you.
This information is to inform you, you gave condolences to Juvenile and his family but they did not love his innocent daughter that was murdered.
Personally I feel Juvenile used everybody's sympathy for his selfish means and its best for the people to know the truth. Juvenile ignored his innocent daughter without a reasonable excuse and I can not support someone like him.
Sincerely,
Dwayne Deleston
I think Dwayne said all that needed to be said. Juvenile, what say you about this?
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Comments
Yeap this is true, HE only said he felt bad to get his name back out there, He never cared about the little girl at al. And it's so so wrong he would use her like he has. And LOL @ him trying to blame all of this on her mother, I heard that the little girl was born before he got married to his wife. There is absolutley no legitimate reason that should have kept this sorry bastard away from his little girl SMH. May they all RIP..
DAMN IF ALL THIS SHIT TRUE WHICH I THINK IT IS. ITS A FUCKING SHAME. I SEEN WHATS JUVENILE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE SAID TO HIS DAUGHTER, AND MOTHER IN TYLER PERRYS NEW MOVIE "MEET THE BROWNS. I GOTTA SAY JUVE YOU ARE ONE COLD HEARTED IGNORANT ASS MUTHAFUCA!
I am from the same area from which Ms. Deleston was born and was buried; I know many of her family members and they say the same thing Ms. Deleston's brother says: Juvenile was never there as a father to claim responsibility for his daughter nor did he send a card, flowers or anything else towards the deceased's family or nor did he care...
Ironicly, him and BG will be here at the club tonight celebrating his birthday; I just hope none of Ms. Deleston's family/friends don't go there and start any trouble...
yeah Streetz you are usually on some bullshit, but this here is horrible. Juvenile acted like a damn juvenile, this is some real punk shit.I really have no words but it doesn't surprise me.R.I.P to the Deleston family
Juvenile is a cold hearted coward. He is a prime example of a loser with no heart. I cannot beleive he even threw a concert for his late daughter as if he cared. Funny, I saw right throgh this the whole time and new he was frontin, I will no longer buy his labums nor support him. May the lord sentence him properlly on judgment day.
it's dudes like juve that got all our kids across the world really fucked up. u claim to be a man b/c u got cars, clothes, jewelery, houses, fame, etc, but u aint man enough to take care of your kid.. oh, i know.... "you keeping it real", huh???
I'm not trying to stir nothin up, but i feel that if this guy is right, then how come he calls Juvenile by his rap name and not his REAL name? That to me says he never even met the dude and just is throwin poison on his name. I also think the dudes just trying to get some publicity because of all the gramatical errors. just sayin...
Then again I could be wrong in which case,Fuck Juvie
That is fucked up. Juvie Sucks!
He called him by his stage name cuz that's what most people known his ass to be called. Everybody is not always out for money some of these celebs be about bullshit too. Fuck juve.
Its real shit like this goin on in tha real world..shiit,I see it all the time..
Niggas condoms break,den they don't wanna take responsibility because they got a new family now,and aint tryin 2 make baby mama mad...
It is what it is..fucked up!!
But still,like I tell all of them chicks, call them people on they ass lol
Why is everyone so concerned about the mans personal life. Aren't you just satisfied with his music. Y'all acting like he pulled that trigger. He might have been going through a situation wit his baby moms but it happens to a whole lot of pips. I think streets is a shallow bitch that isnt ever going to do betta than sohh. Same goes for Gayant. Stay out of the mans personal life.
If this is true, Juve deserves nothing less than death!!!
No fuck all the above..nobody knows what all happened between Juve and his baby moms..I know that she prosecuted him and had him locked up in Gwinnett County...if a chick did that to me fuck her and the baby flat out. I wouldn't wish death on her but you have a baby you knew I didn't want but i'm supposed to act like i'm happy about that?? Naw fuck that you gon take me thru the court system when it all could be worked out?? For that yeah...I'm never fuckin wit u or YOUR baby cuz u obviously don't give a FUCK about me get it how you live ni**a
i DON'T THINK THIS TRUE THAT LETTER PROBABLY FAKE
i think its terrible that an innocent child is a victim in so many different ways. as far as juve, if these celebs and rappers dont wanna have kids with these women then they shouldnt raw dog them. IF YOU SKEET THEM YOU FEED!
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WAKE UP- Obviously Juvenile and the mother didnt have anything more than a sexual relationship. She got pregnant and probably refused to abort for monetarial reasons(money). Its so obvious Juvenile was more likely the victim of a Groupie. This would have happened 5 years ago when he was at the height of his career. "Back that thing Up" Obviouly he must have passed thru Atlanta for a show.
Sorry- but true
Condelences to the deceased
For all you people talking about juve deserves nothing but death, you people are insane. First off Juve is a great father to his other children, so him neglecting this one daughter is highly doubtable. As far as people saying he deserves nothing less then death, then you arent even thinking of his other children that he has been a GREAT father to? Please use your brain, unfortunately people cant even form there own opinions on things anymore in this world and just a bunch of sheep moving around in circles following the leader.
why are yall so quick to attack the dude when yall cant even verify this as bein true..dont know the situation..thats fucked up how yall convict someone with the blink of a eye...whateva happened to innocent until proven guilty?
What did people expect Juvenile to do? Explain his personal business to strangers? He accepted the condolences because it was the proper thing to do. The deceased woman's brother sounds like an attention seeking chicken head.
Juvenile never wanted a child with his sister. Sure he should've used protection but who knows what the real circumstances are.
He had NO relationship with his daughter. He wanted none. Is that any different than putting a child up for adoption? Whatever the case that's none of OUR business.
The woman made bad choices and it didn't start with Juvenile obviously.
Women should take note. You may be able to force fatherhood on an unwanting man but you can't force love. My guess is he never loved that woman and found it hard to love any part of her even if a part of him. Men and women are wired differently. It doesn't make it right but it is what it is.
To the brother: It's over dude. Your nephew is the bad guy not Juvenile.
You all are going too far with this shit. What is the purpose of putting this up? Is this an "EXCLUSIVE?" This sorry second handed info bastard is locked up. How much cake did some asshole put on his books so he could generate this mess. This is not in any way our business at all. Even if this is true, it shames the memory of the child and mother. We cannot judge or absolve Juvenile of his sins. All our closets are dirty, if YOU got something to say about his dirt, spill some of your mud for us to smear on you. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DRAW A LINE WITH THIS "RUMOR" GARBAGE, ITS MAKING A MOCKERY OF A TRAGEDY! THAT AINT ENTERTAINMENT!
IF THIS IS TRUE ABOUT JUV
ENILE, IT WILL COME BACK
ON HIM. REMEMBER,GOD SEES ALL.
MAN ITS FUNNY HOW EVERYBODY IS QUICK TO JUDGE I COULD HAVE SWORN THAT WAS GOD'S JOB BUT EH GUESS I'M WRONG WE DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WENT WRONG OR WHO DID WHAT BUT I MEAN PEOPLE ALWAYS REAP WHAT THEY SOW SO LEAVE THE MAN ALONE AND LETS GET ON WITH OUR LIVES
Nimrod, is a fucking idiot. This is not the first time this story has been reported. it was reported 4 years ago, when a judge made him take a blood test to prove the paternity of the kid. He denied the kid from day one. So why take up for him? He should have been a man and stood his ground. NO one with kid, performes a concert the same nite of their kids funeral. And the bad choice didnt start with the mom, it started with him, no one told him sleep with her.But at the end of the day it is what it is. Karma's a bitch and u reap what u sow.
EITHER WAY HE DID NOT ATTEND THE FUNERAL. WE ALL KNOW THAT AND IT'S NOT A RUMOR. REGARDLESS OF THE SITUATION WITH HIS BABY MAMA - THE SORRY BASTARD COULD HAVE AT LEAST DID THAT. BUT SINCE HE DIDNT HAVE AN ATTACHMENT TO THE CHILD IN THE FIRST PLACE - THE CHILD WAS BASICALLY OUTA SIGHT OUTA MIND. IT TAKES TWO TO HAVE A KID AND THEY BOTH SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY IN TAKING CARE OF THE CHILD. THAT'S WITH ANYONE - IF THEY ARE A CELEBRITY OR NOT. IF THIS STORY IS TRUE - WHICH I FEEL THAT IT HAS SOME TRUTHFULNESS TO IT. JUVIE WILL BE PUNISHED BY A HIGHER POWER. JUST AS EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO COMMITS A SIN. POINT BLANK - I COMMEND ALL BLACK FATHERS WHO ARE IN YOUR CHILDRENS LIVES - IF IT IS A POSITIVE SITUATION OR A BAD SITUATION. CHILDREN NEED THEIR PARENTS IN THEIR LIVES! BLACK PEOPLE WE GOTTA DO BETTER.
Oh yeah.... West Coast Real Gs,...how u know this dude was a good father to the rest of his kids? where u there? doubtful...I hope u dont get a chick pregant. we already know the first phrase out ur mouth..." It aint mine"
ATLSHAWTY....i feel u on that comment. But is Juve important enough to ditch his kids funeral for a concert? I really need an answer to this question. Drop a cd and go on a world tour and then u would have an excuse.
@Trail
Just from your comment I know you're a ghetto fabulous hood rat. Of course you have empathy with the woman because you probably have 5 kids out of wedlock for 10 niggas and think it's everybody's fault but your own.
The woman was a jump off. A fucking groupie. Had 2 kids from 2 other men and decided to fuck a rapper 8yrs her junior and have his child that she knew he didn't want. Then had no shame whatsoever and went public with all her dirty laundry while working for the sheriff's department. I guarantee every white woman at her job with kids got a ring on their finger. When are you hood bitches gonna figure it out?!
You hood rats gotta learn. Don't have kids for a nigga if he's not willing to marry you. Protect yourself and more importantly your child. Life is so much more simple when you do things the right way.
Can you imagine the embarrassment her teenage son went through when his mother was on the news having to force a rapper to take responsibility for a child he didn't want? Just imagine the humiliation she put him through. In her quest for a come up she had no shame.
People walk away from children all the time when they put them up for adoption. The reality is some people can do it and some people need to do it. If she didn't believe in abortion she should've put the girl up for adoption. Why would any woman want a child for a man the barely know and one who doesn't want to be a father to THEIR child? Money perhaps? You bet. Thirsty ass hoes better get your own paper and stop scheming.
You come on here attacking me because you're obviously cut from the same cloth as that tacky woman you feel compelled to defend.
What you should do is learn a lesson from this. No children without comittment. You ghetto bitches always wanna play the victim after your birdbrain schemes go haywire. What kind of mother could she have been to raise a nutty son like the one she had? Did you see his mug shot? That nigga looked as cool and calm as the other side of the pillow. He didn't have any regrets. I guess you blame Juvenile for what HER son did too? At what point did her actions and choices play a role in fate? Lemme guess.... Poor woman, everyone took advantage of her... Blow it out your ass bitch.
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Cosign
AT THE END OF THE DAY - WE WILL HAVE PEOPLE IN THIS WORLD WHO ARE DIFFERENT FROM EVERYONE. ALL WE CAN DO IS MAKE SURE WE HAVE OUR HOUSEHOLDS IN ORDER AND LEARN FROM OTHERS MISTAKES. WE CAN POINT THE FINGER ALL DAY LONG ABOUT WHO IS RIGHT OR WRONG BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE ONLY THING THAT WILL MATTER IS HOW "YOU" HANDLE YOUR OWN BUSINESS. I'M HANDLING MINE. IT'S SO EASY FOR PEOPLE TO ATTACK EACH OTHER THROUGH THE KEYBOARD, BUT WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO IS UNITE. WE GO TO DO BETTER BLACK PEOPLE. I SAY IT CAUSE I MEAN IT. IT NEEDS TO START SOMEWHERE!!!!!!
no one put a gun to Juvie's head to go bareback..as for the letter I believe, simply because when it was first stated that babygirl died..the only thing that was said about it in regards to Juvenile's relationship was that the paternity test was positive. There was nothing about how he felt about that child. no pics of the both of them, nothing to show that he was in her life. You can get mad at the mother all you want but it takes two to make a baby, he could have easily dealt with the child and not the mother..you don't do that to a child no matter how they were born..all you dumbasses saying you would have done the same thing..put yourself in that child's position..wouldn't you want the love of your parent..all you cyberthugs aint shit..talking all this trash knowing you'd be the first to bitch up if daddy didn't want you..or maybe that's the problem now...
It may take two to make a baby but why doesn't it take two to decide to be parents? Things happen. How does anyone know he went bareback? How do we know how it played out. To his credit Juvenile has said NOTHING so all we have is the account of the bitch made brother who acts like he was in the bed with his sister and Juve.
The man was paying his child support. He was fulfilling his legal obligation. The courts can make you pay but it can't make you LOVE. Too many women think by having a child for a man they're gonna force his hand but they fail to realize they can force it in either direction. People are coming on here and personalizing HIS life.
Learn from the tragedy and let this shit die. Parenthood should be a MUTUAL agreement. One person has no right to make a decision for TWO. Even married couples move like that. Of course hood rats wouldn't know that because no one will marry them and their selfish nature is usually the reason.
Think about this. What type of example is a woman setting for HER daughter when she makes moves like this woman made? What was she teaching her daughters?
She was 35 when she got pregnant. She wasn't a kid. By the third child you'd think she'd want to do things the right way.
As a man I just don't see the issue. He was paying child support so he wasn't a deadbeat. He wanted nothing to do with the child and that is HIS choice. He'd be a hypocrite to not check for the little girl when she was alive and then check for her when she's dead. The minute he walked into that funeral the woman's entire family would've flipped on him because NIGGERS always gotta blame SOMEBODY for their own bullshit. If strangers on the net are calling for his head could you imagine the woman's family? Why should he put himself in the mix like that? To make you people happy? Sure.
Man I dont really know what to say about this juvenile thing but i read this letter on another site and its been kinda edited. He wrote the letter from jail got to necolebitchie.com to read the original.
I think alot of yall are right u cant force a man to take care of his child. But if he did'nt want deal with her in life he should'nt front like he cares now that she's dead
Nimrod.. I dont have kids first of all secondly juviniles problem is, he hasnt said shit. and who the fuck said you have to either date people or have sex with people your own age? And if she got pregant apparently he went bare back or the condom ripped.either way the connection was made dumb ass. Niggas like you are the reason, white folks talk about us as bad as they do. And dude he wasnt paying child support....like i said earlier this was reported 4 years ago with regular updates. so before u co-sign on this dude being such a good parent how about u get ur facts straight and as for u "RotterdamSoldier",. shut the hell up, u as bad as boy nimrod.Neither one of u are real men. Regardless of how the situation went right is right and wrong is wrong
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Brick City says...
WAKE UP- Obviously Juvenile and the mother didnt have anything more than a sexual relationship. She got pregnant and probably refused to abort for monetarial reasons(money). Its so obvious Juvenile was more likely the victim of a Groupie. This would have happened 5 years ago when he was at the height of his career. "Back that thing Up" Obviouly he must have passed thru Atlanta for a show.
Sorry- but true
Condelences to the deceased
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Co-Siggity.
p.s. I hope skeetz dies soon.
@Trail
You're a feminist man hater. You blame men for all YOUR problems. Men like me give black people a bad name?! Bitch I'm raising my son on my own. Maybe the men in YOUR life give us a bad name so just speak for yourself. I don't even get along with my ex but the difference is I WANTED a child so I'm commited all the way through. See the difference dummy? I guess you don't think loose women who have no shame and will do ANYTHING for a buck make us look good huh? You sound foolish.
As far as age goes I know you're young. Men mature slower than women. That's why younger women and older men usually hook up.
I have my own theories about older women who go after men that much younger than them but I'll keep it to myself.
The bottom line is if she had dealt with an older more mature man the entire situation could have been different. She was 35 at the time she got pregnant and had two kids already. Chances are it would take a man of similar life experiences and age if not older to cope with the complexity of that relationship. You're a lil emotional nitwit so you wouldn't understand that. Had she been seeking out a MAN instead of a lil boy she wouldn't have been in the mess she was in.
Don't get so caught up in other people's lives. Just make sure to handle YOUR business better than she handled hers.
And watch what you say to me or I'll continue to hand you your ass on this blog, LOL!
If it's true, then it it's shit. Nimrod, I feel what you say in homey...but a man does what's right all the time. And regardless of the headache involved....that kid ain't have no choice in none of the matter. Unfortunately, accepting responsibility for that child is a very important part of being an adult and accepting responsibility for his actions. Again, this IS only one side to the story, so I ain't gonna point at dude no kinda way. But no doubt, it's folks that bust these kids out and then cuz they feel they dont' want to, that they don't have to...naw man...that IS what's wrong with today.
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Trust me when I say it. Cuz ya boy got a four year old with a jump off back in Florida. And my son got autism, therefore ain't no real chance of me ever being able to bring him out here to TX to visit. But I laid down with that broad, I sweat just like she did and to turn my back on my child...simply because of ANYTHING, that makes me less than a man. And another one, knocked up my wife's sister and got a baby with her. Now I'm sayin this to say that no matter how well you may have your stuff together outside of them closed doors in everybodies face, you are no less responsibile for what goes on behind them closed doors!
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I leave final judgement to the Lord...but I tell you what, the Word speaks clearly on knuckleheads who don't take care of their children. Try droppin excuses and blaming "the mom" when you kneeling at the feet of the Lord. He's gonna say "well what does SHE have to do with YOU."
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TAKE CARE OF YA DAMN KIDS...REGARDLESS! Ain't NO excuse worthy. If ma is actin a fool...get custody. Huh? WHY NOT?? Cuz you don't want nothin to do with that little baby that ain't never done nothin wrong to you except maybe look like her mother? MAN UP BOY...OR MAY HELL SET YO ASS ON FIRE FOR IT!
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Yep...that's how PZ REALLY feels about it.
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CHRIST BLESS!
Damn, I kinda feel Nimrod on some points he he is making. If it takes 2 to make a baby then it should take 2 to decide to become parents. I know the kid is the one affected the most in this, but all of the blame should not be on the man. The woman should share in the blame. I for one would take care and be a father to my child, but that is a personal choice.
one question.....How the hell juvinilles wife dont know it was in the news....how many weoman dont use google. give me a break. Both parties neeed to stop using this situation for publicity. The brother is in jail what he want to be released so he can be there for his mother nigga please
SOHH Ya Heard exclusive I got a letter passed to me early Friday morning from a very reliable source
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Yeah it was at 8:15 this morning from a source named ILLSEED from ALLLHIPHOP.COM quit stealing and claiming you're in the know bitch. Just die slow, choke on a fat dick and die bitch.
Die bitch, goto sleep, you theiving scunt.
this is the irresponsibility of this blog the letter states he is in jail and where u can write him. He is looking for attention
as a man with a family all i have to say is FUCK JUVENILE there is NO excuse for this maybe if he let everyone know his situation instead of pretending to care.. GOD will see you one day and i pray he has murcy on your soul....A COWARD DIES A THOUSAND DEATH A SOLDIER DIE BUT ONCE!
God Bless those that passed on BUT:Sounds as if mommy was probably a jumpoff that may have used the baby for monetary gain. Yes there is no excuse for not attending your child's funeral. Yea there is no reason not to be in your child's life. Yes there is no reason not to have contact with your child's mother.
But if you put two and two together. Sounds like a jumpoff that was probably trying to extort may man but grew up and became a woman at maybe Juzi's and the child's expense.
That explains Juvi's distance form the whole child death and baby moma's death. IT IS UNFORTUNANTE BUT THE BROTHER'S LETTER DOES MAKE SENCE if you look @ juvi's actions.I did not see Juvi crying on TV and trying to profit from the situation. There are 2 sides to the story!
@PZ
What's good homie? I feel you on the religious aspect and you know I respect your faith.
However, I'm tired of this whole finger pointing trend in my community. At some point each and every individual has to own up to their actions whether man or woman.
It's evident Juvenile did not want a child. None of us know the circumstances involving the conception. From my understanding he was arrested and forced through court order to support his child which I assume he was doing or he wouldn't have been released. Georgia don't play with deadbeat dads.
For whatever reason he wanted nothing to do with his child. I don't condone or criticize his actions. I see that as HIS right to live his life how he chooses. Legally he was providing for the child. Unfortunately he had not been moved to get to know the child by the time of her death.
The child is innocent indeed but there's plenty of blame to go around. Go to square 1. Use protection and that goes for them BOTH.
If I had a daughter this is what I would explain to her.
YOUR body is YOUR responsibility.
If you love a man enough to have his child then you should love him enough to marry him.
Women need to honestly ask themselves what is it about THIS man that I should have a child for him?
Are his qualities something I want to reproduce?
Does he care about me and my well being? Does he love me enough to commit?
If something happens to me will my children be looked after properly by this man?
These are just a few questions women need to ask themselves before deciding to have a child EVEN if the man wants one. Regardless of what we feel about Juvenile the bigger issue is teaching young girls to have self-respect so they don't make the type of choices this woman made her entire adult life. Blame Juvenile all you want but he didn't wipe out that family HER son did.
We have 2 stop justifying bullshit. I don't doubt that the mother may have been an one-night stand but if that's the case it is a possibility he didn't use protection so what does that say about him?
As sad as it is true, juvenile represents a large fraction of Black boys who have refused 2 be men in this society. 2 condone him not being their 4 his daughter bcuz the momz wasn't important 2 him is a horrible justification an example of y our community is so fucked up.
The best thing 4 juvenile wack ass 2 do is 2 continue 2 celebrate that he doesn't have 2 pay the back child support. (he ain't selling records anymore so his punk self should be about broke) I would never support anything he does in the future. It's not about judging or not judging, it is just a common sense issue 2 me.
And sisters, we truly need 2 make better choices in who we get in2 relationships with. We know 2well that the groupie nonsense is a reality that many chicks need 2 check. This may not have been the deal with the deceased but it is a truth 4 too many of the women who have 5 kids with 4 baby daddies...that shit needs 2 cease, fa real
@Nimrod
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All that I speak on is despite any religious convictions...I was bred with that belief. But check this out. lol
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It's funny you say that about GA. I've actually got custody of my other son, and we live here in TX but his mom is in GA GA ain't NOTHING GOOD for a GOOD DAD tryin to take the DEADBEAT MOM through the system. I'm tired of how the system is set up against the man...I know that first hand. I'm the one with the child, she is in GA not worth a terd and tell me why it took me 3 YEARS to get child support settled?!
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Anyway...you got me goin another direction.
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I agree with your last post, it all starts with educating and raising up the females right...because fact is if it's out there for the takign, these men is gonna take it. I'm certified GUILTY...definetly was. But I was raised up to realize that I was responsible for any and every action no matter how big or small, so to choose my actions wisely. My dad did dirt, he was in the game...and he never tried to tell me not to do what I was going to do anyway. He spoke and taught me more from the "every action has a risk and a consequence, and you gotta weigh it all out before taking that action." But the bottom line was "man up at all times."
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I didn't come back to the Lord until June 2005...so this is a new walk for me. But somethings is right no matter what.
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So i agree, it starts with these females respecting themselves, because if it's not there it won't be taken. But at the same time, that's passing the buck from the men.
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And I'm definetly, definetly, definetly not pointing a finger at Juvenile, but I do feel as though any father doing less than 100% is unacceptable.
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Because it's one of them things...if I can do it, anybody can do it. I'm on both ends of the stick. A father paying child support for a son he hardly even knows, and with a mother who is out there, and I'm also a father who has taken custody of one of my children because the mom was playing games, and I'm also the father of a child in a situation stickier than most men could ever find themselves in the middle of even if they tried, and when you do RIGHT...even if it is to only know in your heart, and to be able to tell your kid when they come of age that no matter what, I LOVE YOU and NEVER GIVE UP ON YOU....that is what's right.
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There's too many excuses out there man, for every dead beat daddy...there's a thousand "acceptable" excuses so long as we are willing to settle.
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I don't know the details of Juvies situation, I'm speaking in general.
Its some trashy black men out there for real. I see why most black women dont even deal with us.
@Nimrod
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It really spoke to the problem when you said: "the child is innocent indeed but there's plenty of blame to go around."
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You summed up the answer to that problem when you said: "At some point each and every individual has to own up to their actions whether man or woman."
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Folks gotta stop passing the blame around and stand up for self, EVERYONE. Too many people are scared to accept blame for their own guilty actions for fear of saying that means they are accepting responsibility. Now can we see the irony of that vicious, deadly..prideful circle??
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And you are right on when you said "he didn't wipe out that family HER son did."
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Now I would like to know where HIS father was. My guess is "not around." And then I ask myself, what if this man WAS around...what if this man was in the picture setting an example. Or did he decide it was ok to bounce because of this reason or that reason.
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She looks like a sweet little girl from the picture, and what a beautiful mother. I pray the mother knew Jesus as her savior.
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CHRIST BLESS!
PZ
This is what happens when BOYS reproduce. I've seen shit like this soo many times that its not even shocking anymore. The worst part is how the grandmother's actively participate in ruining a child's life. Its fucked up to see grandparent's helping their carless boys deny a child that they know they fathered instead of encouraging them to be grown responsible MEN. Black people are stuck where we are because of the broken family structure and our selfish ways.
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What does the grandmother have to do with anything? She raised her kids? Broken families start with out of wedlock births. How about getting a husband first no matter what?
Men used to have to convince women to have their children. Whatever happened to that? Time to take it back to the old days.
@Nimrod
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My sister is mixed up with a "baby daddy" now, and his momma (baby's grandma) is one of them that no matter what her baby boy does..he can't do no wrong. Shes done what she could to keep him out of trouble and supported him no matter what. Even when he would hit on my sister, she would hide him from the police.
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One day though after he beat up on my sister, my mom...I promise you, followed that dude to his moms house and beat him down with a tire iron. LOL No lie. And his mom was just at the door talking about "stop hittin my baby Rita, he'll do right. I'll make him act right." GROWN ASS MAN! Took an "L" in his mommas front yard from my ma with a tire iron. Oh yeah, his dad has never been in the picture and he's been raised by his grandma forever.
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But check this out...my sis is still with the clown and he's still whoopin her behind. Wonder what my nephew is going to grow up like without any intervention?
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Willful ingorance trumps common sense everytime.
I'm sorry...not raised by his "grandma" but raised by "his momma"...my nephews "grandma"
@PZ
You what kills me about black people? We allow the very worse, most extreme examples to be promoted as the norm.
I don't know where the fathers of the other two kids are or were. I wonder if they attended the funeral. No one cares because the real underlying cause of the hatred towards Juvenile is a crab in a barrel mentality that celebrates the failures and shortcomings of people more successful than us. Simply put HATERS.
You know I'm no fan of idiot rappers but Juvenile is being singled out because of who he is and how he makes his living. It's called HATE.
It's easy to ponder the whereabouts of the other fathers but the reality is why did that woman keep choosing men of such low character? To have children for at that?
If I had children with 3 different prostitutes wouldn't you at least wonder what's going on with ME?!
If you cast your line in muddy waters you're bound to snag "catfish."
This same group is women who go to the "club" to find a "baby Daddy" are always the ones complaining about black men. Go to myspace and watch how they all have suggestive photos posted of themselves wearing lingerie, bathing suits etc., in provocative poses. What are they really promoting? There's a class of woman who are out here making all women look bad and then that same crowd attempts to drag everyone through the mud with them. I ain't having it. I'm gonna call a hoe a hoe.
Juvenile you are a worthless piece of shit on the face of this earth... Its niggaz like you who give Black Males horrible stereotypes in this world... Fuck Yall who take up for this DUMB NIGGER!!! God will show you who has power!!!
Broken homes with no fathers usually breed the low-self esteem that fuels the mentality of the jump off's. Its a cycle and its horrible to see that is so easy for people to walk away and brush it off. If Juvie had cought AIDS instead of a baby then it wouldn't be so easy to just walk away and say oh I don't want it. We have to do better and it starts at home.
@ pz and everyone
What u said exemplfies one of the problems....your sister is still with him. Now your mother went out on a limb for her and she choose this nigga. it is a educational generation breakdown
To suggest that people are hating on Juvenile because of his wealth, really makes you sound absolutely ignorant. Juvenile is being singled out because he accepted condolences for a child that he aint never claim or want to have anything to do with. It has nothing to do with his money. As we can clearly see money can't buy compassion, love, or even common sense. The issue here is the consequenses that the INNOCENT CHILD had to suffer because of the irresponsibility of its parents, which is no different from all of the people out there who were abandoned by one or both parents.
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If that's the case then where is the outrage against the other two fathers? Don't act like in hip hop hating people isn't as popular as worhiping them. The fans build them up to tear them down. Just read the comments on this site daily and you'd think the artists did something to these nut jobs.
Imma have to go with Nimrod on this one. If you look at the real situation it's the fact that the SON's father wasnt in his life which means the WOMAN must have commitment issues.You can't go around making babies hoping that a male/man is gonna step up it just might not happen,then women are famous for saying "FUCK that nigga me and my baby will be just fine" til the baby comes then you need his/her father. There comes a time where if you want Men to stand up and be Men then we gonna need Women to step up and be Women.Like I tell my friends all the time the"Original Black Woman"is gone so until everybody own up to their mistakes this shouldn't even be a topic.Let those two babies R.I.P. please.
I'm catching heat cause I point out no one knows the circumstances of the birth. Some people are so self righteous. What makes anyone think their way of doing things are the solution for the next man? A lot of pompous assholes flinging darts on here.
I'm the bad guy for pointing out women shouldn't have children for a man unless he's willing to marry them?!
I'm wrong for saying there's enough blame to go around?
I'm also wrong for pointing out everyone's obsession with the RAPPER while totally ignoring the other men in this fiasco?
I'm sorry but if Juvenile wasn't who he is NO ONE on this site professing such concern would even give a fuck. THAT'S REAL
Why the concern with what the rapper does? What about the other men? The mother? The murderous bastard of a son? Juvenile not attending the funeral is the LEAST important detail in a triple homicide he had nothing to do with. Why else is he the focus when 3 people are dead? I say it's envy. If I'm wrong someone please tell me how his parental skills overshadowed a brutal multiple homicide with the people posting. ... I'm waiting.
@Nimrod
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I ain't throwin darts at you bro. I'm just speaking up on stating my opinion.
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Maybe I'm just missing my son, and can't understand how somebody would not do everything in their power to be apart of their kids lives.
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Only God can judge....and He judges on basic principalities. He don't complicate the matter, WE do. Only God knows that man's situation...but I said it once and I'll say it again.
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If you got a kid anywhere...MAN UP..and it ain't about you payin child support. Care for you child, make efforts to see your child, let your child know you love them, let them know you care about them, let them know you think about them because they are a part of you, let them know that no matter what, can't nobody or no situation chase you away from knowing your child.
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And remember this....if God had turned His back on YOU...well nevermind ya'll, nevermind. Thank you Jesus!
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CHRIST BLESS!
PZ
This is it and I'm done. I dropped enough jewels on this topic. Some of you will NEVER get it.
If you would stop putting people like Juvenile and celebs on a pedestal you wouldn't be so disappointed by their every misstep.
It goes from worship to hate at the slightest provocation. I guess that makes sense cause it takes little to impress people and even less for them to lose respect.
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Logic and reason has left the building!!!!!
@PZ
We good. I was talking to the anonymous poster talking shit. That wasn't you was it? LOL
I want to shout out Nimrod, although he be doggin my southern region's artists, but while I was working and could not post he was dropping gems that were along the lines of my thoughts. Now since Juvenile still has yet to speak Im just gonna end with these thoughts. Women connive and share in conception, women have thrown babys on dudes that AINT theirs and even if they are some guys can be bitter because they feel that, "out of all the studs that hit it had to be me." Some of you women are acting real pure, when you know some of your "sistas" are scandalous. Some of you men on here need a maxi pad and a few of you need to stop suckin the white man's teet and quit worrying about how you look and what they think of you. Pray to God and worry bout what he thinks.
HE NEVER PAID A DAMN DIME!FACT!
FUCK JUVENILE i hope Baby Put him on Drugs Like B.G Fuck that nigga
hes a Shame to the black race even if he pays Child support he should have atleast come to the funeral
it's not about the rapper-his name and status is irrelevant.The fact of the matter is Juvenile received and accepted condolences like he actually gave a fuck....that is some bitch ass shit. While doing so, he got his face back on the scene.That's what it's all about.SO for the record FUCK JUVIE and all you bitch assed,has been wanna be niggas coattailing his dick.Who in the hell is Juvie that he needs to be singled out?It is what it is.If he never commented, this would have been done...maybe he should have done like some of you need to do and SHUT THE FUCK UP about it!!!!!!!
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