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Ice Cube's "Black. White." Episode 4
Posted on March 30, 2006 10:53 AM
Bear:
I'll admit, the concept of learning about another culture through changing skin color is appealing, but the execution is far from perfect. It seems like Bruno, Carmen, Rose and Nick are learning some aspects of black culture, while Renee and Brian really haven't done shit in the white makeup. So the name of this show is Black. White. ? I guess the name "White People & Nick Learn About Black Culture" was already copyrighted by someone else.
I'm not hatin' on Renee and Brian by a longshot. In fact, they're concentrating on educating their son about race and that's cool. But some things I have to wonder about, like Brian - does he still work at that bar or did he quit? And did Renee think all white people are ignorant, because she’s coming off that way. Like I said, I think they're cool, but honestly, what the fuck are they getting out of this experience?
And what the fuck is up with Bruno, Carmen and Rose? The way they speak to one another seems unnatural. It's like they talk about their emotions as if they are robots pronouncing words in a dictionary. Most white families don't speak to each other as if they are reading a Shakespearian play, but this white family is fuckin' weird. The shit smells fishy.
Anyways, I wanna talk about the etiquette class. I don't have a problem with rich kids, but I have a problem with snobs and when I saw those two rich white boys make fun of Nick and disrespect him, I was hoping Nick was gonna go UFC on their asses. I've had my run-in with them snobs who think they are better than everyone else, but when they talked shit to me, I shut them up real quick. They disrespected Nick, and those two should be thankful Nick didn't kick the shit out of them.
Ron:
Unless you live under a rock (or your name is Bruno) you more than likely know that the barbershop is the center of black male culture. It’s our Agora, our Tupperware party, our power lunch, our Oprah, all that. The barbershop is not just where we go to beautify, some of us were raised in that motherfucker.
Interestingly enough, Brian’s idea to take his dumb-as-shit son to the barbershop had the kind of enlightening, positive effect that Nick needed. Growing up without Senor Mexico, I got a lot from the dude holding the clippers and the older heads politickin around me as I waited my turn.
I’ll never forget, I was about 7 or 8 years old, and we had an all-star cast in the shop that day. A tall, awkward white dude came into the shop and demanded a buzz cut. The barber had no idea what to do. The white dude couldn’t point a “buzz” out the haircut picture menu. With my extensive television experience, I was able to recall what the guy was asking for I tried to explain it, but was nudged to keep quiet by one of the other older patrons. The barber explained that even had he known what a “buzz” was, he wouldn’t be able to execute it properly. After a couple more minutes of pinching and bargaining, the white guy left with a sarcastic smile, making remarks I was too young to recall or understand.
As soon as the door closed, everyone in the shop turned to my little brother and I to explain that the white guy who left was an undercover cop who periodically harassed local guys in the barbershop, chicken/pizza place and wherever else black males were known to hang out. They explained to me that he was trying to casually pinch us for information on local drugdealers and that talking to him or any other cop would brand me a snitch. It also helped to generate the distrust for white people that the estranged Senor Mexico tried to instill in us. Ain’t that a bitch?
Of all of the crazy shit I’d learned in the barbershop growing up, that was by far the most diffucult lesson, not only to digest and apply, but to unlearn.
P.S.: “The Shop” is cool, but “bet they can’t do it like me!” *snaps and flails arms*
Comments
The son look like Michael Jackson when he puts his white makeup on. How is this bird ass nigga gonna let two little fucks call him nigger and he just sits there, but the parents shouldn't have waited until he was 16 to instill a sense of pride about his culture.
Bruno needs to spend a night in jail as a black man. He is wasting everyone's time because he not open to changing his perconcieved notions about a culture he admittedly knows absolutely nothing about. That rap video was bullshit, Ice Cube shoulda wupped his Bull Shannon looking ass.
Im surprised no-one noticed yet. Jay Leno is actually part of the cast. play close attention, he is dressed as a girl(black) and is part of the group that chills with that white girl. The thing was wearing a red shirt yesterday, if Im not wrong.
I think they could do a lotta other shit to prove their points better. Example, white girl shoulda came back as white to ask for a job! OR ill be fine if she just paints herself fully black and gets naked(no R.Kelly)
The show is suspect to me now. Bruno is an actor. You can look him up on the net. Have you ever noticed the son looks nothing like his parents. Somebody tell me different.
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"I'm surprised no-one noticed yet. Jay Leno is actually part of the cast. play close attention, he is dressed as a girl(black) and is part of the group that chills with that white girl. The thing was wearing a red shirt yesterday, if Im not wrong."
One, that was the first thing I noticed. I actually have an entire theory about all of it that would be quite funny if I were allowed to share it with you.
I thought she looked like Paula Poundstone in blackface, but Jay Leno works too.
that wasn't jay leno. that was big rick. the big slave off of "flavor of love," without the facial hair!
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I liked how at the beginning when Rose was with her Poetry group and the group was giving her things they wished she would experience. One of the girls said," a long day at the hair salon". I agree! Sit up there for four hours, two of them actually getting your hair done and the other two waiting since Ms.Wendy is still nice enough to squeeze everyone in at the last minute. The whole time talking and getting advice, stories and gossip. It is a good time, but long and expensive.
Those little boys should have been ashamed, but at least they were honest. Telling Brian and Renee that they wouldn't have said nigger, if they knew Nick was black. What kind of ignorance is that? If I were white I would have told that kid to watch his mouth, Nick had no excuse other than ignorance not to say something.
Bruno is proving to be more and more racially...just dumb. He was welcomed into the home of a musician, teacher and just a MAN in someone elses home and insults him. You don't insult your host. Then to make that video when he knew it was him directing it toward young black men and not "middle-agers to rappers".
That scene with Rose and Carmen talking after her poetry class felt so staged. They must have gotten their acting skills from their Dad.
Want to read about the first social experience? Read "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin.
This show makes me like Black people even less. I'm glad Ice Cube is exposing them for the people that they are. If a white man made this show, everyone would be calling him racist.
I bet you 10 bucks, Bear is actally Mr.Irreverent.
The show strikes me as being staged all the way around. EVERYBODY on there is being shown as being one dimensional. There's very little contrast of situations on the show. Like someone else pointed out, when Rose was blown off looking for a job, she should have come back as a white girl and tried it. That would have been the kind of contrast that I keep expecting to see from the show but never do. I'm giving the series a C-.
Oh and Kenny? Fuck you, we don't like you people either so segregate yourself on outta here.
BREAKING NEWZ!!!
I was searching the streets to see if i can figure out where he's been at, so i went and interviewed people to see if they knew what was up with Mr. Irreverent.
First interview of the day
Da Newz Man: Ma'm can i get a word with you.
you guys might get alittle queezy after this.
Transvestite Prostitute Hooker: What honey? A dollar to make you holla.
Da Newz Man: WHAT THE FUCK!!?
I ran off to find someone new to interview, to figure out whats up with Mr. Irreverent.
Second interview of the day.
Da Newz Man: Sir, i know you look a little busy but, can i ask you a question?
Local Crack Dealer: Yeah B, anythang nigga, as long as you aint 5-0. You aint no cop is you?
Da Newz Man: No man i aint no fuckin cop.
Local Crack Dealer: Than hit this motha fucka than
Da Newz Man: Can i ask you about Mr. Irrevernt, i'm not interested in your crack, i'm sorry.
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My comments on Black.White. I like the concept but it is flawed in many ways. It kinds of comes out trying to show the white people how ignorant and racist they are towards people of other races, while in essence, shows everybody as been stereotypical in their thinking towards another person. Bruno is the most ignorant, stuck up white guy i've ever seen on a reality tv show, and if indeed thats his nature and not just a stage shit, then he is full of crap. At least his wife is getting something out of this. Rose is still the most interesting participant in this project, and she's theo only reason why i keep watching. Nick is one stupid black kid that needs to leave on the streets for a month, earn his own dough thru sweat and blood, then he will understand what it means to be a black man in white man's america. The parents too are not better off either, cos they come across as 'know-it-all', and they've grouped every white person as racially out there to get them. I do believe there is an element of racism in everyone of us, but as much as i conscious of it and knows how it affects my life, i do not let myself be ruled by it. I guess thats whats Bruno whats trying to say, except the fool wasnt actually walking in a black man's shoe just because he is been painted black for a few hours. But overall, its a good show. Hopefully, if there is a second season, they will have sorted out all the shortcomings.
if the show is suppose to shed light on racism as a means of possibly extinguishing it, then the show does a bad job. stereotypes are being reinforced by those who already have their ideas embedded from their own personal experiences. bruno will never know what it's like to be a black man in america; he cannot know how if feels to be opposed by a country that has a history of racism and prejudice against people of color. to be white is to be naturally accepted because that has been the way throughout time. although we all (whites and minorities) have come along way in the social aspect, negative beliefs are still alive and well no matter how many "black friends" or "white friends" you may have. white people are quick to dismiss the idea of racism and "move on" because they do not experience first hand that our racist american culture then, still affects the present. i believe we all discriminate subconsciously, and white folks, especially, hold a psychological condition that equates negativity with blacks and positivity with whites; this is the reason that we cannot just "move on".
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Nick [was, he seems to be opening up] the dumbest kid I have ever seen, when I hear a white kid say "nigga" like he's trying to be down, it upsets me, but when those kids from the etiquette class said thay have black kids holding canes saying, "let's go beat a nigger." ...We have a problem. I'm happy Brian took Nick to the barbershop so he could kick a little knowledge.
Bruno, again, is closed-minded. Him saying that black people are only angry, because of what happened in the past is stupid. What Fernando said is completely true, we have to work harder to be able to get the same job. I'm not trying to hate on white people though, because now most of the people I see day-to-day are white, and they are great people. I actually know white people who are more down to earth then some of my knucklehead brothers and cousins. But Bruno just doesn't get it. He doesn't know that there is alot of black people who do not embrace booty rap and video ho's. Most of the time, it's white people who pick up those records anyway. (Why do you think they're so popular and make so much money?) I won't even continue to talk about that video he did, I would of done the same thing as Rene and Brian, and not act up, but if you give me gloves and a punching bag right now, feathers will be floating everywhere!
I think Carmen is starting to notice everything, she's actually relating and being sincere. (Even though I still ain't with that whole "black creature thing, know what I mean?) I can actually feel that she will leave this a better person.
Rene and Brian were nowhere to be found in this episode. Maybe thats a good thing. (And doesn't Brian kind of look like Reggie Miller?)
Still, the most aware and open is Rose. It's great for white and black people to come together as one, but it will never be the same as two black people. Everytime I walk in a room full of white people, I get looked at, when I look in their direction, they move they're heads. Rose saw that no matter how much you imitate black culture, it doesn't make you black, you can't act black, you have to "be" black. Note: They're is nothing wrong with white people loving hip-hop, its a beautiful thing. (I wish all the wiggers of this world could see this, that not all black people wear baggy pants, talk in ebonics, and have no father.) A black man who acts right and is educated is not "white-washed," he's just a successful black man. Thank you.
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Black and White
Well in my opinion when I look over the episodes I see Renee and Brian trying to get
everyone to see "it!" They didn't walk into the show looking to learn anything as
black people because everyday as a black person we are constantly learning on the
job. Every morning we wake up, every breath that we take and moves that we make
we are constantly adapting. Meanwhile, white folk don't have to adjust. White folks
don't have to adjust they just know they belong. As black folks we are constantly
wondering,"If you've ever got a job, welfare an apartment, some way some how you
have to adapt. I don't know about you but I know so many times I have been passed
up on a job because some white person who looks better qualified than me walks in.
Not only until epsode 4 did I ponder, have all the times I inquiered about a job
opening and they said,"Oh we've run out of applications!" Were they just really not
interested in hiring someone like me. I understand and know racism as being a black
woman but I still hold this glimmer of hope that if I'm a good nigger my work will
speak for me. But if it did that would be too black and white, too honest, too real.
Oh yeah one more thing, the N word. I love using the word Nigga. I use it as
much as I can off the job and around the homies. However, I don't want no other race
to use that word! I don't even want our race to use it in the volume that we use it but
that's our word! Maybe some way some how, Nigga is a word in ever person of
African Descent's language. But we'll never know 'cuz we lost it some where. We will
never know what are full potential is becuase somewhere we lost it. Kind of like
suffering from amnesia. No matter how much you want to you can't gain back the
time you lost. Man if we really knew who we were and what legacy we came from
how off the hook would black folks be? You've seen what it's done for others what
would it have done for us? Well. that we'll never know but just appreciate the now.
Stormy
I feel that Bruno is ignorant and blind to what is going on in the world. If your nice to evverybody, your not just going to get their respect, cuz the color of your skin has alot to do with how to world looks at you. Racism exists, but he cannot see that bcause he is in this box of ignorance. He didnt grow up around diversity, so being put into that enviroment, he is very opinionated and he have a big, red brick wall on all 4 sides thats not letting him get the experience. That rap video was indeed pointed to young, black men, and ppl like him will never understand and embrace that the music isnt just music, but it is a lifestyle. A lifestyle that has been instilled in us just as the lifestyle of "everyone gets treated equal" has been taught to him. Many whites understand that, and many of them rap.Like country is a way of life to some whites, rap is us. Rap understands why we get pulled ova 4 no reason, and Rap understands our struggles and will never criticize us, but except us 4 who we are. There are whites who drink, smoke, cuss and whatever else.
I think that rose is going to get the most out of this experience, she is open minded. I guess the apple fell far from the tree that time.
I think Nick is ignorant also. Not ignorant in the way that some think of as "ghetto" or "rude and stupid", but ignorant means "not knowing". If you let 2 white boys say nigga or shall I say nigger, u are ignoraant. He has no understanding from what i can see.I understand if his black homeboys say "nigga", but when 2 white boys say it and u dont set them straight, they might grow up to be like Bruno and say "THAT WORD IS UNIMPORTANT AND SLAVERY IS IN THE PAST.", but we cant forget, because **If we forget where we came from, we'll never know where we're going.**
I must once again vent before the next show come out tonght.
Black Father
If you would have raised your son before the show started, you would not have an ignorant child braving his idiosyncrasies across national television right now. You may have had good intentions, but you started kinda late, I think the whole knife in school thing was kind of a dead give-a-way.
Black Mother
Lets play a new game called “create and follow modern stereotypes”. Lets neglect the responsibility of not following the trend of “blacks do it this way”, “whites do it that way”. Raise your child, quit hatin on the rest of the cast because you are somewhat bitter. We know you are dealing with idiots, we sympathize, but your role is one of the most important, you are supposed to be representing a STRONG black woman, not a negative black woman.
White Father
I LOVE BRUNO, Bruno shows America that ignorance does exist and that there really are those that believe that racism does not exist while they sit on a front lawn burning a “mental cross”. I know that’s a strong statement, but hey, Bruno wrote the rap we saw him do a few weeks ago… and he’s supposed to be an educator?
White Mother
Regardless what they say, I think you have learned some things and I think you can learn some things. I think that she started off clueless, but has sense learned or at least felt some prejudice. This is in fact GROWTH.
Black Son
This child is truly in my prayers, he has no clue. I will for sure teach my children “NOT TO FEEL HATE”, but understand the meaning of the word nigger. My children will know that some of my own relatives died because of the word, my child will see ROOTS. My child will understand the path of Dr Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, AND my child will not be a racist. I know its hard being raised as a “menace to society” (when I say this, I mean the sense of the statement). I think that as a father of a black child, it is your responsibility to raise a strong black INFORMED leader. This boy did not get that raising and must now face the world uneducated and unarmed.
White Daughter
The most informed on the show in my opinion. She has made an attempt to be true to who she is while learning about a culture that in reality she cannot ever fully understand. I tip my hat to Rose for her attempt to understand a culture.
All Black People
The black culture is not one to be understood by reading a book or watching a show. We are not necessarily different from whites or other cultures, we just dance to a different beat. As a culture that has gone through so much, we create our own avenues to allow us to vent, understand, communicate and work out our issues with society and tension we feel every singe day of our life.
Does the world hate blacks, NO.
Does prejudice exists, HELL YES!
Do we need to look for it? NO, but we will, we have to in order to survive, or else we are as ignorant as the black son on “Black White” who allows peers to call him nigger. Yeah, notice I call them peers, because they are, but does he see them as peers, or as people above him due to his racial insecurities and ignorance?
Culturally, I think the most important message was spoken by the black music teacher, because truth be told, we don’t all talk a certain way, we don’t all slouch and wear baggy clothing, we don’t all run around the park with our fists in the air screaming “black power”.
I’d like to consider myself an informed man, educated and aware. I work in corporate America and do very well financially. I know there are those that dislike me, I know there are those that will talk…. That’s fine… talk, and I will listen in the shadows.
I will teach by example, because regardless how many names they may call me, corporate America and society will never make a NIGGER out of me.
I will be a STRONG BLACK MALE till the day I die.
"A black man who acts right and is educated is not "white-washed," he's just a successful black man. Thank you"
I just had to say amen to this comment... when a black person speaks without slang and other blacks call us "whitewashed", that's actually hatin on your own race. It's like saying... "niggas is supposed to talk wif slang, we be talkin wif black talk, not white talk".
C'mon now, america speaks englist, corporate america speaks GOOD english. If you don't speak good english and teach your children to speak good english, you are lowering your/your childs chances of making it in corporate america which is a white created and controlled world. There is in fact POWER in education!
And my kid will have a father... and will be raised by me till I die, not till my kid is 18. And I will not divorce my wife that I love, I will stick in there and be a husband and father, not to mention a positive black role model.
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