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Ice Cube's "Black.White." Second Episode
Posted on March 17, 2006 10:48 AM
(Every week Talkin' Videos will provide a reaction to Ice's Cube's Black. White. reality series where two families swap races to see how the other half lives. Ron Mexico will blog from the Black view, and guest blogger Bear will represent the White side of things. Let us know what you think in the comment section below.)
Bear:
I’m definitely digging the concept of this show, but at the same time, I’m not really digging the people on the show. After one minute of observing Carmen, it’s obvious that she is oblivious to the world and honestly, it seems like Renee could be just as close-minded at times. Hopefully, this experience (and editing) will change soon. Maybe more on this in the next blog.
There was definitely a part that got me thinking, where Rose said something to the extent of, “It’s like if you’re not black, then you’re not accepted by them.” Is that a generalization or a statement? Regardless, I don’t necessarily agree with that. I’ve lived in New York, Carolina and Virginia and the black people I meet show me nothing but love and respect, which I show right back.
Check it out. Several months ago, I went to this Hip-Hop show in Virginia and made friends with some of the local talent and promoters there, all of which were black. We trade contact information. A week or so later, they called me to see if I wanted to chill. I caught up with them, we listened to a bunch of records and they introduced me to a bunch of people. We all joked around and everything was cool. I wasn’t alienated and the color of my skin was not an issue. I was accepted for me and the way I see it, I have some more friends in the dirty, dirty.
So maybe now you can understand why I call a bit of bullshit on Rose’s statement.
Ron Mexico:
I guess I’m supposed to play the angry, Negro with the chip on his shoulder, huh? Fuck that!
Disclaimer: While I’m the magnificent black creature sent here to chronicle this show, I emphatically declare that I am not an umbrella. Ron Mexico represents Ron Mexico. Not all black people. If you try to pattern your interactions with black people after what you read from me, prepare to get yourself fucked up… probably deservedly so.
In the same mold, I feel what’s being done with this show. However, I find it important to remember that these two families aren’t comprehensive representations of their races, but a meager sample. Ultimately, they speak for themselves.
The word “bitch”, much like “nigga,” is a dreadful 2-headed monster. In some circles, particularly amongst women (on UPN), it has become a term of endearment of sorts. While you’ve seen black women refer to each other as such in the cereal aisle at Rite Aid, DO NOT call a black woman a bitch… unless you’re one of her bitches!
This episode reminds us of the power of words in more ways than one.
Remember: You cannot call a black woman a bitch without her expressed, written, notarized consent… and even then it’s not a great idea. Secondly, magnificent black creatures don’t like to be objectified, even if it’s in praise.
Speaking of which, Bruno’s backtracking like a motherfucker. His new catchphrase “We’re not all that different” is worlds away from last episode’s painful tirade during which Bruno proclaimed how cool and different existence as black man would be… you know… how as freaks of nature and innate basketball talents we are able to jump out of gymnasiums using our tails.
After getting bombed on by Tevin Campbell, Slam-poet and freestyle champion Rose surmised the situation best by inferring that “this is merely a microcosm of what could happen.”
[Translation: “Today’s events may just be a retarded wing in the bucket.”]
I concur.
[Translation: “Word.”]
Comments
HAHHAA.
Rose rapping= funny stuff.
Bruno= confused..contradictions..
Renee= lol
The black son= how about u talk nigga
THE BLACK FATHER= a well spoken dude.
lol
this show is entertaining more than thought provoking.
I don't see how the white mom didn't get that about the word "bitch" though. Even if you think that everybody calls each other, you're not familiar enough to do it.
Like just b/c evry1 calls some guy you just met "cheeseburger" doesn't mean you're excused from calling him John.
When they went clothes shopping is what killed me.The white daughter is the only one out of the whites that has any sense. The two parents are a sample... a BIG SAMPLE of what white people think. Oh and what about the white guy in the bar. No fucking comment!
What the FUCK?
Who the FUCK let Iced Cube make his own reality series?!?
What the FUCK?
Who the FUCK let Iced Cube make his own reality series?!?
Posted by: Darth Detox at March 17, 2006 12:07 PM
I did.
I give them props for putting this together and getting some good representations as a sample for this "experiment"... they definitely put them in some of the most segregated parts of Los Angeles county...
You can really tell that the white adults are the "all american" products of the repeated exposure to "black history month"... Whats always scary is these are the self proclaimed "Liberals"... That white dude in the bar may have been openly racist but at least he was owning his opinions openly and he was talking to a black woman straight talk, and (it seemed to me) meaning no disrespect...
Thank god someone managed to talk some sense into the white folk before heading to church on the 'shaw in a Dashikii!
Love the show though, I'm hooked on this extended Eddie Murphy Skit mashed up with "the Color of Fear"...
yo when does this show come on
Bear,
It's cool that you get respect when you behave in a respectful manner. That's how it should be... but understand that being a white dude in white America (as homie in the bar tiraded about), the world is your oyster in comparison to the plight of others.
Not to say that you're exempt from this type of treatment, but it's not too uncommon for me to enter a situation as a black man around white folks, behaving myself as cordially and respectfully as possible, and still be treated like shit... called all kinds of slurs.. all of that fun stuff. It happens.
Dude in the bar made an excellent point. Black people have to assimilate to white culture wholly and completely just to bring our chips to the table. Even then we're still second-class citizens.
I refuse to deny my essence and my culture just to play ball with "the man." Rather, to hand "the man" his 9-iron while he's playing.
(I didn't refer to dude in the bar before because they want us to keep our posts to a certain length... a length requirement that i'll probably never be able to adhere to.)
Ron Mexico, I thought you were from Honduras.
happy saint patricks day, saints berserd us
Preach Ronnie!
Bear - Its very important to note that the experience you describe is extremely similar to the one Rose had with her Slam Poetry peers... And not to take away from that, if more people were open like your describing it'd be real cool...
Ron - Totally agree with what your saying... especially in regards to assimilation to the white standard... I would go on, but my Latin ass will come off as just too uppidity... so I'll just (btw... you landed a swish with the allusion to Carmen's slam poetry!)
Kinda weird but -> doesnt it seem that the people interacting in "white face" are not really being different than they would normally be? It seemed to me like they are bringing themselves to new skin, whereas it seemed like the white parents are "performing in black face"...
The black kid who never talks said that he wasn't even going to try to blend in.
Neither can Raineesha (the black wife).
I think they're damn near incapable of playing the role. The black pops does a great job though.
The white folks are loving the black paint. Remember in the first episode how ATTRACTED to each other they were?!
"I've ALWAYS wanted to fuck a black woman!"
"I've always wanted to fuck a black MAN! You magnificent colored beast-man you!"
They should have went to church in them damn dashikis. Our newfound niggas would have learned a REAL lesson that day.
...and nah, i ain't preachin, Daze. We just talkin.
I think both Moms on the show are idiots. The black mom on the show is so defensive even when she knows the other ladie's intentions wern't bad and the white mom won't just keep her mouth shut. She knows how the black mom is now, she should just shut up. The white dad is a tool. "Is the myth true?" The black dad should have slapped him for that. No comment on the son cuz he don't say nothing. The best people on the show are the black dad and the daughter. The black dad is just a real dude who really wants the world to see what he goes through and he comes across as sincere. The daughter is so open minded and she has massive cojones (I think that's how you spell it) for freestyling up at that poetry jam and for revealing the truth to the group at the risk of getting beat down by the gay dude. This show is pretty entertaining about I don't think it's going to change race relations or anything like that. Don't even get me started on the "outfits" the white mom bought.
Nick's eyebrows look really suspect. His generic shirts with a really stretched out collar make him look like a dirty kid.
Carmen is an embarassing person regardless of race. She was so painfully awkward when addressing the poetry group. I guess that's genetic, because Rose was doubly awkward when trying to rap, I almost changed the channel.
It was funny how Renee proclaimed she was "over" the whole B-word incident, but wasn't going to forget about it, or stop bringing it up when further conflict between her and Carmen ensued. She's mad.
Anyways, this is a very entertaining show.
hey iz it me or does the white girl get finer when she's black, lol. Just a thought.
Wow, there were a lot of comments made about this show. As long as you watch, it has done wht it was meant to do. Get ratings. I agree with a lot of what has been said. The White Mother talks out of the side of her neck. She doesn't think. The Black Mother is always too offended and she TRIES to think too much. The White Dad just wants to be associated with all of the "cool" things involved in being Black.(Using the word Nigger or Nigga, walking with swagger, talking slang) he really doesn't want to BE Black. The Black Dad has a good head on his shoulders, however he IS looking for ALL WHITE PEOPLE to be prejudice. The White Girl is going to get the most out of this, probably even a Black boyfriend. She is very open minded and very intrigued by our culture. Not to mention to she is the only person on the show that actually LOOKS like the other race (in her case, black). Have you noticed that they really don't show The Black Mother in her "White" make up? Same with the Black Son.
DJ Genie: You're right the daughter looks so cute as a black girl but she's just alright, well... white:) It's weird.
No... you're right, Genie. Rose looks better black. It's hilarious.
and yes, Rose has massive cojones. She's definitely going to get the most out of this experience. Her approach is the most open-minded so far.
Rose is also most definitely going to have herself a taste of the brothership.
^Yea, I was thinking the same thing. The white girl is a lil cute there in black makeup. She could get it.
The black wife is starting to get me upset. Everything the white woman does, she gets pissed. Yea i know that the while lady says and does stupid stuff, but wtf did she expect from her.
How can she forgive about the Bitch word but continue to be pissed off that she did it. Yes, noone should be calling u a bitch unless u and ur FRIENDS do it and like it. How could this woman think thats something black women like to be called. Get a clue!
YO THAT NIGGA RON MEXICO IS A BITCH
U AINT NO REAL MEXICAN HOMIE
STOP FRONTING!!
ROSE: Yes, she does look better as a black girl. And like everyone else I think she is going to benefit the most from the show.
NICK: Looks horrible/scary as a white boy! Made me so mad when he & Rose were in the van and he said how he was just there to have fun or something like that. I thought that was very ignorant of him. I wished his dad couldn't heard him say that. But at the same time, I feel like he's very nervous & out of his comfort zone so he tries to put up a hard core front.
BRIAN: Dude looks like Eddie Murphy's Italian character from "Vampire in Brooklyn". He seems to be the most sensible of the adults.
RENEE: Looks horrible as white. If I saw her in "white face" I'd say "She got something in her" b/c of her features. She's playing the role of the strong black woman. But she is doing it ALL WRONG!
BRUNO: Dude is playing, point blank. Like someone else mentioned, he & his wife are just acting in "black face" and not really trying to see what's really going on.
Carmen: She needs to hush sometimes. I almost wondered if they were for real or joking on the first episode when they were talking about "jiving" and whatnot. Are you serious?
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Damon Wayans Loses His Fight For "Nigga"
why is there no blog for this... this is ignorant. haha thats what nigga means to..
wow isnt that ironic.
my people when are we goign to stop the madness....
Finally, a blog without cyber thugs and future felons. Thanx Ron. Intergration was the biggest nmistake that the Black community in America made. Not that harbor racist thought against my fellow man but we were better off when we sustained and supported ourselves. with intergration, we have lost our economic powerbase and our sense of brotherhood.
I agree with a few of the comments above....I like how someone took the idea from Eddie Murphy's joke/experiment on SNL with the intentions of conducting a socially conscious experiment...But the characters definitley do not represent the entire black race in America in terms of how we handle each sitation, as well as a slew of other differences...I think the black father is doing a pretyy good job balancing his role in the experiement. He definitely is not scared to express his convictions when its appropriate but so far he has done a good job at subduing his emotions or anger in situations like the bar, where he could have lost it and clocked and would not have really had the chance to hear everyone speak as candidly as they did so that he could get the most of of that experiment. The black mom shocked me at the bar, she composed herself well. That drunk white guy just basically said a portion of what white america already thinks(bottom line)....The white parents are exactly like the whites that I encounter most of the time in corporate america) I wasn't shcked by anything I saw from them...especially here in Ohio...most of the whites are fakr than a chinese fortune cookie written in English...always tryin to relate(ie....whats up dog, bro, white chiz saying ain't no holla back)..its fucn joke...I find myself wantin to slap a white man/woman everyday at work for sayin some fake ass shit or bein perped out period...I think the white girl is candid and will learn something from the experiment. I hope that in the future the show producers try another angle than the current platform....Such as different cities, couples, singles, college campuses, corporate america...there are so many other sitations/scenarios that would make for a great experiment as well as intriguing television...oh yeah...why does homegirl look better in black face than she does in her natural complexion....thats straaaannngggggeeeee.....and IIIII like ittt!
Dana Jackson...holdin it down for the 10(dayton bitches!!!) as always....HOTEP!!
Black language is complex meaning we communicate beyond words. It's not just what you say but "how" you say it. The word bitch or nigga ain't offensive until you use it in the wrong way. All white folks see and hear is a bunch of black people calling each other niggas and bitches, they don't listen to the "how" we say it. White folks don't know our language bottom line. That's the disadvantage cuz we know theirs.
TO BEAR:
Let's clear this up once and for all...Whenever a white person says they have black friends it's kinds like sayin' "I treats my niggra's good" You don't have black friends, your black friends have a WHITE friend. Notice how your BLACK friends entitles you access to ALL things black. In our culture, it goes like this..."Who's the white dude?...Oh, he wit y'all aight then you cool...end of story. Ask yourself this question, do your BLACK friends have access to all things white because they're with you or are you ostracized in some of your exclusive white circles for rollin with the homies?
i was not impressed with show. the show sucks.
"The word “bitch”, much like “nigga,” is a dreadful 2-headed monster. In some circles, particularly amongst women (on UPN)"
I have to make my first comment about this statement. My comment is that if a white person wants to they do not have to interact with black people. But, the opposite is true for black people. So, if the only contact white people see of us is through television and they are broadcasting stereotypical behavior than the whole race is basically fucked. Because that is the only way that they will look at us.
My second comment is that I love the show... But, I find it strange that Rose and the black father are the only one's who get to go and explore the culture on their own. The others always have someone holding their hand to understand culture. And that is why they will most likely get nothing out of the show... So, unless the show changes than the others will keep looking at the cultures the same as they did before.
Oh yeah and I think that there should be a blog about the Boondocks, but I guess that one can wait til next season.
HEY MAN I BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOW COULD TEACH US SOMETHING
tawwsha... we do have a boondocks blog.
Finally, a blog without cyber thugs and future felons. Thanx Ron. Intergration was the biggest nmistake that the Black community in America made. Not that harbor racist thought against my fellow man but we were better off when we sustained and supported ourselves. with intergration, we have lost our economic powerbase and our sense of brotherhood.
Posted by: Meccadon at March 17, 2006 04:12 PM
I see where i'm not wanted.
I haven't seen the 1st esp. but i did see the one this week...first off the black mom (i forgot her name) was way too close-minded and even though i felt her on alot of her issues with the white mom..i wouldnt have gotten mad bc she should understand that some people are from a different world sort of speak and they need to be reeducated..she should of let the other mother know that its not ok to call her a bitch despite what she might have heard about black women...that some women; black, white, hispanic w/e call themselves bitches, hoes, w/e bc they might be in a group where all of them are friends and understand that they're playin when they say it for them its a power thing...but that u cant go around calling people that esp. is u dont know them...point blank no woman black, white or w/e should ever be addressed that y..cuz thats asking for a beatdown..i think both families need to be reeducated about the ways of one another and look at what they're saying before they speak ...
Oh and don't let me get on the white man in the bar and his ridiculous comments...i do believe that in some small percentage he had a point...like where he talked about how blacks like to be dumb and how if theres one person who does embrace their intelligence they're said to want to be like "whitey" lol (but i say this bc i had experince where i was called a white girl bc of the people i hung out with or bc i was smart; etc)...well i did say some small percentage... but homeboy was too funny talking about "america being founded by white people" pulease...if i wasn't mistaken indians were here 1st and even so we made america bc shit we built it (slavery hello) oh and did anyone notice how he looked like he lived in a trailer or something saying something like "well if the black family asimilated into the community...blah blah" does he even know what the word means..lol now i bet if he walked up into some wallstreet; whitecollar type of thing he wouldn't even be looked at...
Before y'all get vile in this dman blog you should know the show is probably entirely scripted and the "families" are paid actors, or at least some of them are.
http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/moviesurfers/
*Rose bottom left
http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0545969/
Enjoy.
- V
Yo this show is DUMB, the familys they picked were LAME, shit Black dude already looks WHITE!! And yo why the hell when the white dude turned black he still dressed WHITE as hell?? White people react MORE when you dress more urban, but you walk around looking like Kanye West whitey is going to see a black man that WANTS to be WHITE!!! I know if i was that young black man with the white make up on i would be trying to get in the guts of as many white girls as i could, shit i would ask for them to paint my dick white too, that way when i lay them girls down for some pound game they will be in SHOCK that this white dude got a BIG DICK!!, then after the deed was done i would say Jokes on you cuz you just got fucked by a nigga!!! YEAH!!! The black dad was on the right track with getting a job as a white man, but fuck that i would have tried to get a job in a stock brokerage some shit you KNOW there is not many black not a fucking BAR!!! And the young white girl is going to get dicked down by a brotha and she is going to fucking love it and end up having a maloto babe! And for the dumbshit who said Ron should stop thinking he is Mexican must be fucking DUMB ass shit or just can't read cuz Ron is a NIGGA A.K.A a BLACK MAN!
"if the only contact white people see of us is through television and they are broadcasting stereotypical behavior than the whole race is basically fucked. Because that is the only way that they will look at us."
Posted by: tawwsha at March 17, 2006 09:51 PM
I think this is really important. If you don't know any black people or even see them around your neighborhood, your main knowledge of them is the gangsta stuff you quickly catch flipping channels going past BET or when you see Three 6 Mafia all thugged out win an Oscar rapping about how hard it is being a pimp. To segregated whites in America, this is their primary experience of black people, and any blacks that are different are in the minority. (double minorities!)
I had high hopes for the show mainly because Ice Cube was associated with it. But all it is is just another Real World type scenario: Angry black woman always upset, cussin black man always mad at the ignorant liberal whites, ignorant ass whites who don't have a clue but think they know, and at least one character that you KNOW is gonna have jungle fever any minute now. So far the show is pretty weak to me.
I will agree though that the little white girl looks damn good as a sister. Even the white mom looks better. Matter of fact, did they put some padding in that ass of hers cause I swear she got a little junk back there when she's in disguise!?!?
Ah well, the best part of the show is the comments it'll generate on the blog, aside from that it's a pretty boring "social experiment".
Lets keep shit real, we black people are always willing to share our culture to other racial backgrounds but do you think they would share with us their culture HELL NO!!
We as black people have to know that no matter what we say or do white people are still going to say its all in our heads.
No matter what, whites will never know how it feels to be black, you can listen to rap, wear hiphop gear, have black friends, get with a black man or woman and still not know the bullshit black people have to through
One to my bedsty, brownsville, eastnewyork, crown height, flatbush peoples
Why is it ok to say "I know if i was that young black man with the white make up on i would be trying to get in the guts of as many white girls as i could, shit i would ask for them to paint my dick white too, that way when i lay them girls down for some pound game they will be in SHOCK that this white dude got a BIG DICK!!"???? Is that not racist? And this ""if the only contact white people see of us is through television and they are broadcasting stereotypical behavior " umm have you ever noticed that every black person thinks that ALL whites are stuck up corny ass golf players that hate blacks? Black people are just as racist as any white people these days, if not more.Why is it ok to be talking about a "strong black woman" but if you were to say "strong white woman" you must be talking about a racist white woman who hates blacks.
Oh yea Bear... Are you fucking serious?
"Check it out. Several months ago, I went to this Hip-Hop show in Virginia and made friends with some of the local talent and promoters there, all of which were black. We trade contact information. A week or so later, they called me to see if I wanted to chill. I caught up with them, we listened to a bunch of records and they introduced me to a bunch of people. We all joked around and everything was cool. I wasn’t alienated and the color of my skin was not an issue. I was accepted for me and the way I see it, I have some more friends in the dirty, dirty.
So maybe now you can understand why I call a bit of bullshit on Rose’s statement."
YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.. So i guess since you were accepted in your little group at a hip hop show then any white person can walk through the hood and just be excepted by anybody? riiiight. you sound like that was your first time around black people...so fucking giddy b/c you were "accepted".. OK so if 1 black guy gets accepted in a predominatly white neighborhood then all black people are accepted in any place?? riiight
That's what I'm sayin'... Isn't it crazy how there are still white people in this country who have had NO contact with blacks whatsoever. If you're that excited about hangin' with blacks in the "dirty dirty" as you say, guess what??? YOUR A RACIST!!! Like the whites on the show you're worst kind of racist because YOU DON'T KNOW THAT YOU ARE ONE. You can't change a problem that you don't know you have.
"umm have you ever noticed that every black person thinks that ALL whites are stuck up corny ass golf players that hate blacks?"
This is a racist statement. Every black person does not think this. The definition of racism is to make generalizations about a race. The point of the show is to show that people are individuals, regardless of skin color. For example, SOME women call their friends bitches, but Renee aint one of them. The whites on the show don't know how to see her for who she is---they bring all these expectations/stereotypes to the table. And the same is true on the other side--Brian seems to be looking for hidden klansmen in every corner.
Also, I thought that shit about "getting in the guts of every white girl" was stupid ignorant bullshit. But it had nothing to do with being black. It was just ignorant.
After watching both episodes, I come to think that this would be a great way to get everybody opinion out on the table. But what I am afraid of is that White people might not want to talk about the issues. I 've respect those who would tell me that they have a problem with Black people. That just give me an opportunity to tell and show them that all of us is not what you stereotype us to be. For ex: the White guy talking to Renee at the bar. I respect him for talking to her about his opinion and I agree with him for about not letting half-asses in your hood to fuck things up, but these half-asses do not say I'm dumb and it is cool to stay dumb because I do not to be consider White. Understand people just love their hood from where they grew up in and they feel safe there. They think once they move into a White hood, you have to be very careful about the things you do, even if the White people are doing the things you would do anyway. You always feel as if you are being looked at. As if they are waiting for you to fuck up. But they don't see that. That's why I think Renee should of said something to at least correct the guy. Maybe, he will see things different.
No one has mentioned the white discussion panel that the black couple sat in on in makeup. There was one guy who said openly that he had been "taught" his whole life to avoid blacks and when he shook hands with them...shook hands with them...shook hands with them, the instinctual reaction was to "wipe it off", oh yeah he also said he felt guilty for washing the dirty blackness from his purified holy white skin? This was followed by another panelist who expressed her frustration for not being able to fire black people at will. She complained that the law prohibited her from firing a "black girl" whom she stated had a "bad attitude" her words..."I wanted to fire her so bad" Yep, racism is relative, tell that to the sister in the unemployment line
I know I'm going to get alot of shit for this, but while I don't agree with the white guy at the bar's thoughts about assimilation, because that is plain ignorant, he did hit on some points. Now by personal experience only, not saying it's an every situation, every day thing, SOME african americans think it's cool to live in ignorance, to emulate that thug, ghetto lifestyle.
I say this because I'm light skinned, not high yellow but enough to where you assumed I'm mixed, which I am not. I also talked properly, for someone from Texas:) All in school, I was told I was too good for my race because what I made good grades, had my owe opinion, and didn't talk like I was fresh from the hood, but I probably lived in more projects and government housing then any of the those so called thugs combine. I just determined at an early age that I wouldn't let my lowest point determine my altitude. Is that forgetting where I came from, no, it's learning from my parent's mistakes. Why must we associate the term "african american" with "ghetto". So why am I not black enough if I don't use the word nigga, which i did. i quit because i originally started because in a sense that was my ghetto pass. Trying to relate to my african american peers. But why should I say it just because I have the license to?
Yet to them I was trying to act white, when I was just trying to be me. I never claimed to be superior to anyone, I just wanted to belong while being me. Even if I wasn't light skinned, I would be me, but that fact within itself makes people think i think I have some kind of advantage I don't see. I get men because I am pretty, not because I'm two tones lighter.
Now if a white guy can call us out on that fact to make his so called theory valid and I, and sure I'm not the only one, see it maybe it's time to look at ourselves as a race and view OUR self discrimination.
( Watch someone call me a bitch...)
shut the fuck up ya'll the show is funny. White people are stupid, black people are to damn serious? why b-cuz we are all stupid...Love ice cube for this show, the white/black chick is cute tho when she's black, looks like tia or tameria lol funny tho..Man that dude in the bar was telling the truth, america is a white culture you hate it go back to where you belong! True........If ya'll bitch so much go back to Africa, or to brooklyn where ever the hell it is u black creatures come from...Lol well the show is hot love it alot....
"looks like tia or tameria"
2 points!
I wanted to say that myself but was waiting for someone to say it.
Tia & Tamera... hahaha. I love it!
"Now if a white guy can call us out on that fact to make his so called theory valid and I, and sure I'm not the only one, see it maybe it's time to look at ourselves as a race and view OUR self discrimination."
Sorry but this is bullshit. His so called theory happens in his own damn culture as well, ever heard of the word NERD? That's a white stereotype, often portrayed as smart guy, glasses pocket protector and unpopular clothes, getting his ass kicked for being different. The guy at the bar was an idiot because who the hell is he to demand people assimilate to a white culture. That means abandon your own culture for another, that's prehistoric type shit and a great big sign of his ignorance. As for being pretty and light skin...get over yourself
^^^So you can tell me this shit don't go on, and FYI I did call him out on the assimilation bullshit.
As for being pretty, I don't have to get over myself because I love myself and I find it pretty hard for you tell me that there isn't a stigma in our society that feels light- skinned people have some type of unspoken advantage.
I'm not saying it's right, but it is there. No you wake up and get a clue.
I have watched both of the episodes and I was thinking to myself "WTF" when Rose was like I gotta tell them the truth. It was too funny when that gay dude went off. Then they all came to the house and her mom was like I don't know if you gay or straight...LMAO. On the serious tip Renee takes it too serious. She has to understand that the white couple don't know any better. Also that her and her husband also make assumptions on the white couple. I have yet to see them try to understand each other's culture everyone except Rose. At least she is trying to still hang with the poetry group even after she has revealed her true self. You guys are right Nick and Renee look funny as white people.
"Man that dude in the bar was telling the truth, america is a white culture you hate it go back to where you belong! True........If ya'll bitch so much go back to Africa, or to brooklyn where ever the hell it is u black creatures come from..."
What the hell kind of comment is this? If you are trying to contribute to this blog, you should probably stop coming off as ignorant as you are.
1. As a man, I don't think it is appropriate for anyone to call a woman a bitch, regardless of race. That's like opening the flood gates.
2. As entertaining as this show is, and as many points as this show tries to make, I just feel it could of been executed better.
3. This is probably the most well-conducted blog I've been to on this site, with the exception of two unfavorable comments. It's good to go on here and not have some loser promoting Mobb Deep's latest CD.
"^^^So you can tell me this shit don't go on, and FYI I did call him out on the assimilation bullshit."
I didn't say it didn't go on, I'm saying it is NOT exclusive to african americans it happens with whites, mexicans, etc;
"I find it pretty hard for you tell me that there isn't a stigma in our society that feels light- skinned people have some type of unspoken advantage."
There is no stigma in society that feels light skin blacks have an advantage, I don't remember a "light-skinned" drinking fountain? It sounds to me more like YOU BELIEVE your "light" skin makes you better in some way...
"I get men because I am pretty, not because I'm two tones lighter."
Who the hell numerically measures their skin tone? Two shades lighter than what?
"I say this because I'm light skinned, not high yellow but enough to where you assumed I'm mixed"
Sort of almond with a hint of Courvosier and a splash of cinammon...WTF!!!
Sounds like you are obsessed with your skin color and you have convinced yourself that us niggras in da' fields cantz standz ya'...thus your comment
"( Watch someone call me a bitch...)"
I got teased too for talking "proper" as we say, I'm not light-skinned. This is common behavior for ALL people, ignorant, insecure people will ridicule those that are different from them. Secondly, white racist ideas have nothing to do with skin color, racism in this country is largely based on our history as descendants of slaves and the whites who didn't want slaves integrating into their society. But for you, you have ALL the men because you are a pretty light-skinned girl, not high yellow but light enough to think you were mixed and all these dark jungle bunny bitches hate you...like I said get over yourself.
??? : Son, you just ripped girlfriend a new asshole with one of the most intelligible and amusing posts I've seen on this blog. Good lookin. One.
Fuck Ice cube for that show, that shit aint helpin nothin. If that bitch ass nigga wanna help, give a nigga a internship, you bitch ass nigga.
That white gurl was cute as shit as a black gurl, she looked like a Indian or some middle eastern shit, but she did not look black black. regular black. if i was that black kid, id holla at her cause i know she likes black people. haha
fuck that show
When the black guy puts the make-up on he look's like Chapelle when he does it.
The White father and mother on the show are not taking the study seriously. Those two feel happy to act and are having a good time aka:cooning.
The young white girl is taking the subject manner seriously-She feels guilty by potraying herself as a black person to the poetry group-I think that shows that she is insightful and realistic in comparison to her parents that are basically trying to make a mockery of what black means to them!It is a shame because Bruno really looks black and could get over like the daughter.
The Black mother Rose just need to shut the F-up and stop being sooo sensitve. Every minute it's liek she is expecting the white family to call her a nigga- SHE'S LIKE WHO SAID NIGGGA- every dam minute of the show! Too sensitive. The black father does not pass to well in looking white- he looks cuban but he taking the study seriously.
chuck norris is neither black or white he is a shade of chuck. he is simply superier to all others and allows you all to exist
"chuck norris is not hung like a horse, a horse is hung like chuck norris" from your mother
Hey ???......thanks for droppin homegirl right the fuc off on FRONT STREET...those were darts...and she deserved every one of them..I can't stand lost ass blacks like that..get in the game!!!
??? I dont really see why u feel the need to bug out on ????... ya'll both have valid points and (it seems to me ) are essentially in agreement (with the exception of the whole who's pretty and whatnot junk, and the hate-bombs ??? is throwing like maltov cocktails)...
Yeah there is an ignorant ass subsection of every race/ethnicity... its true, however, going to ????'s point, my personal experience was the similar... I got bused out of Mid City LA (from one of the only real mixed neighborhoods in the city) to the Valley for two years with kids that were from central LA (segregated, either all Latin or all Black)... chalk it up to the nature of being in LA, but it wasnt always all good with the black kids on the bus, especially around report card time (AEE's were like a death sentence)... moreso with black kids than with the Latin kids... and I at least fit in by means of dress code and language with the Latin kids... the one white kid on the bus... man, I felt real bad for him... still the point is I can see what holmes in the bar is talking about...
intelligence can be and is made into something negative by some ignorant ass cats... do I think old boy is right in applying that stereotype to all black people (or minorities)? Personally, no... but the real question is how is that dude (who is a representation of a thinking of a lot of white people) supposed to expand his perception of minorities beyond stereotypes if he never sees or experiences anything except what reinforces his stereotype? and secondly: is it his responsibility to find those examples which would change his perception? (I honestly have no answer for either question at the moment)
"... chalk it up to the nature of being in LA, but it wasnt always all good with the black kids on the bus, especially around report card time (AEE's were like a death sentence)... moreso with black kids than with the Latin kids..."
First of all let's make a distinction, KIDS do silly ish, no matter what color they are. You cannot hold an entire group of people accountable for what Pookie and Ray-Ray did to you on the bus ride home. Secondly, I called my "Ms Light-Skinned" out because she like the white dude already has a negative view of blacks from the jump. It reminded me of Tiger Woods and his I'm 1 1/16 Irish, 2 parts Cherokee, BUT I'm not black" speech. That type of thing happens because Europeans (not just Americans) have worked very hard for centuries to downplay the greatness and great contributions that Africans and descendants of Africans have contributed to society, by spreading lies about us. It's become so common that now people do it naturally almost instinctually. That's how racism stays hidden. We are bombarded daily by the daily news constantly focused in every city on some 20 yr. old weedheads robbin' corner stores for $80, followed by the national news that wants to inform us that Bobby Brown pissed hisself in the back of a patrol car. Who really cares to know that kind of shit? That kind of bullshit serves no other purpose but to feed and affirm the kind of bullshit that white man was talking and to further divide brothers and sisters like you and light skinned from embracing our community entirely. Because if you're not embracing your own people and you see your own as negative then what (or who) are you embracing? NOW THAT'S ASSIMILATION!!!!!!
Is it me or why didn't Renee go after that "speech coach" who has the word "bitch " on the paper in the first place? In the grand schemes of things that was the real issue. Why in the hell was that word on there in the first place. Dont shoot the messenger Kill the message!! Yes it is easy to pick on the white woman for sayin the word, but that "speech expert and the producers needed to be slapped up; and quick. Tells you what they really think.
Sorry about the typos above.
I CONCUR ^^^^^^ your rite ???
continue 2 dig in dat azz wit yo logic skills
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???...
I believe I understand where you're coming from based on what I'm reading... I do agree with the media hyping up the negative of any culture that isnt white... however, I do think that you may want to consider checking your rhetoric with those that do not get your points... personally I have a little difficulty in swallowing what someone says regarding assimilation, stereotyping, and racism when he or she has essentially lopped all of my people into a category they may or may not fit in... I'm refering specifically to your use of the word Mexican (a nationality) for Latin, Latino, or Hispanic in the statement:
"I didn't say it didn't go on, I'm saying it is NOT exclusive to african americans it happens with whites, mexicans, etc;"
I dont mean to be negative but all I'm saying and what I think you were getting at in a way (I may be incorrect in this assumption) and what I believe ???? was essentially getting at is that, yes, people are racist, but we also need to check ourselves before we go trying to put someone else in check...
"personally I have a little difficulty in swallowing what someone says regarding assimilation, stereotyping, and racism when he or she has essentially lopped all of my people into a category they may or may not fit in... I'm refering specifically to your use of the word Mexican (a nationality) for Latin, Latino, or Hispanic in the statement:"
When I say Mexican I mean people from Mexico, not Latin or Latino, I know "Mexican-Americans" who are ridiculed for not speaking spanish, etc;
What I am getting at is we must be aware that a campaign has long existed in this country to undermine and further prevent the unification of african-americans, I'm not talking some militant mumbo-jumbo it's a matter of fact. The Black Panther Party was brought to it's knees by tactics that resulted in the group fighting among themselves. Travel next door to Canada and you won't hardly hear anything about crime on the evening news. There is a reason why we are bombarded with negative black images. Secondly, we have ALL been affected by these images. If you're black you do get embarrassed when they show James Brown's mugshot. We have to be careful to not accept the image that white society has created for us and be more aware of who we truly are. The guy in th bar subscribes to a negative black image because it benefits his false sense of superiority. Ms Light-Skin subscribes because it relieves her of the guilt of abandoning her culture. Anyway I never meant for it to get this deep...just don't ever believe what a white guy has to say about black people. I'M OUT
This show blows!!
Should have called it Black Black ...
where's the White experience?
Send the Blacks as White ( look like aliens ) into a Black community.
See how they're treated ...
Please ... it's a joke.
Also ... why did they ship in Georgia Blacks? Why not use our local LA Blacks?
Show ticks me off ...
Funny thing about this show is our critique of the characters and lack of conversation on the basis of racism. Even when speaking with people about the show, everyone talks about what is wrong with "this" character or who they like and dislike. I believe that the show is going to change directions in the peoples opinions on it. Racism exist, this show is proving that regardless of how much we thought it was behind us. What I hope people realize though is that racism is a two way street, whites shunning black and blacks shunning whites.
This is my first time visiting and I have read all the comments and I am really impressed. You guys have such an intelligent and deep insight on things. Your intriguing thoughts have broaden my outlook on certain topics.
However I must state that I am very disappointed in Renee's behavior/attitude towards Rose.
"What I hope people realize though is that racism is a two way street, whites shunning black and blacks shunning whites."
I would tend to disagree, there are black community circles that I would say that I'm not necessarily welcomed in. When I lived in Atlanta, I tried going to the clubs in the hood and the sisters gave me no play at all, but if I went downtown and kicked with the "college crowd" I got play all day. Being shunned in a community has nothing to do with race it has to do with congruent values and mores. Racism can only occur when a group of people regardless of status, education, or values find themselves being prevented from effectively and freely contributing to society without prejudice.
Man I thought I was the only one. She does look better black
THEES EES A TEST
Why should black-americans accept the imposition of the slave culture through good grades? Better they crap on the education thing since it is 99% indoctrination. The vehicle that delivers the doctine (language) is the doctrine. The thugged-out thing is an act of weak resistance. But better a weak resistance than none at all. I like the show, and in the end its just a show. I do feel that the black parents maybe don't need to start teaching their son to have the same chip on his shoulder that they have. I know they are just trying to protect him, but maybe they ought to take care to protect him from the psychological bogeyman that haunts them everytime they have to deal with whites. Just teach him to do right and not be naive that people wont use anything, color, culture, gender or whatever to make life harder for him in order to make it easier for themselves.
Hmm...the show wasn't an eye opener, IMO, b/c most of it was stereotypical behavior.
Bruno..."White" dad with oddly dark skin and weird features, downplaying the fact that discrimination is real. Asks very uncouth and inappropriate questions, ditto about his comments.
Carmen...Hippy-dippy and claims to be liberal but doesn't know much about interacting with blacks. You don't throw the term "bitch" around loosely whether it's to a white woman, black woman, etc.
Rose...Seems sweet, if a bit uninformed. She's open-minded despite her parents so that is definitely good. I don't like how any of them looked as black folks, they resembled chocolate Oompa-Loompas, like from Willy Wonka's factory!
Brian...Very handsome dude, very youthful-looking. He sort of pulled off the slim, white male with slick brown hair look b/c he has naturally light eyes, fine features, and isn't that dark. I thought he seemed cool but needs to stop constantly being on the lookout about racists. They're definitely there, but there are also people who don't discriminate. He was sexy, though, lol!
Renee...The word "bitch" does apply to her attitude. Carmen is annoyingly ignorant, but Renee could've taken that as an opportunity to help her learn more about black people, instead of constantly putting her down. Oh, and she was there to learn more about white people in the process, that is why they were all on that show, so her comment about "knowing" how all white people think/behave was straight-up dumb. Just b/c you work with them doesn't mean shit. They were all there to learn about one another and to challenge stereotypes. And she is better-looking in her natural state as a black woman...she simply was not covincing at all in white makeup and a blonde wig, her features are extremely African.
Nick...Just seemed awkward and apathetic, not much to say about him. He looked like a skater kid who's into surfing and punk rock when they put him in "whiteface".
Rose seems to be open to new environments and experiences, so hopefully she'll come away with a new outlook. On another note, some people are being a little bit too hard on the person who posted as ??? I honestly don't think she meant to offend anyone, she was simply stating her opinions. And I don't know why it's a problem if somebody talks about being light-skinned or speaking well, etc. She never said that it made her better or that anyone is jealous of her. Her point was that people often ASSUME that light-skinned folks have all these special benefits, which is not a fair or accurate belief. She said she is pretty and men are attracted to her b/c of that, NOT her skin color. That makes sense. People are quick to accuse light-skinned or mixed women of being "uppity" and Heaven help you if you're both light and/or attractive, or feel good about yourself. The responses to her post are proof of that. I don't believe she was trying to offend...her point was about how we judge, stereotype, and perceive others based on race or appearance. All of which is true. I read her post and she never once referred to anyone as "jungle bunny bitches" or said dark-skinned women hate her, so I think she was just misunderstood.
If only people would realize racism is a human trait and not something you can shove off on one particular brand of people! If you want to progress as a society, stop passing the blame around and just try to be as fair as you can to other people based on PERSONALITY. It's impossible for a person to have a prejudice-free mind-- everyone has preconcieved notions about everyone and everything, what makes you a bigot is the inability to listen to outside opinions and the outright HATE for people who are not like yourself. This may be a crazy crazy notion, but next time someone is racist or hateful towards you for no apparent reason besides the fact that you are "black" "white" "hispanic" "asian" or anything else, hate THAT PERSON instead of their race. It wasn't the fact that he was born white that he acts so stupid, it's because he's just stupid. And stupid people tend to follow what other stupid people tell them to do. It's easy to hate for no reason, because liking people for their differences hurts their brains.
Thank you, Silver Fox.
"Ms Light-Skin subscribes because it relieves her of the guilt of abandoning her culture. "
Is it abandoning your culture to point out what needs to improve in your own? When I say I love myself, I love ever pigment in my skin. I know where I was from and proud of coming from such upbringing. I in no way said I hated you for being not like me. You painted that picture to have others think I am.
In reading that one little statement you envision me as some self-loathing individual who wishes I was on the other side of the game because I was never social accepted by my African american schoolmates which is far from the truth.
Maybe you didn't have any bad experiences concerning your peers, and you are truly blessed, but I did. And always referring back to me, am I your fuel sweetheart? You over analyzed my statement so you can make your points superior to mine.
Maybe you are far more educated than I am, but what did you accomplish by belittling me except making my so called "self hatred" worse, and I assure you that will never be possible.
"I called my "Ms Light-Skinned" out because she like the white dude already has a negative view of blacks from the jump."
Did I come out my mother pussy screaming f*ck them N*!!! No and wouldn't dare say it now. I just simply, while watching the show, in the midst of all the white guy's madness heard something that had me thinking damn, I saw that too, I experienced it myself. but did that make me want to join the KKK. We're so blind to see what we do to ourselves as a people. We're more focus on our fictional forty arces and a mule and what we are owed when the truth of the matter is they, the whites who offend us, could care less. In fact, they get off on the fact that we could possibly want something from them. I'm saying we need to uplift each other within the community so we don't need to look to them, Keep your forty acres, we don't even need an apology because we got this. But this is a utopian point of view I the self- hating black individual envisioned for my people.
so I asked the question, do you know me? Did you grow up with me? I didn't think so, so don't put words in my m*f* mouth. That's so rude, I'm done with this blog...
^^^^ Oh yeah and may GOD bless you and Keep you...
I give props to ice cube for making such a great show. It's still amazing how racism is still around; on the streets, at home, at schools, every where. It just sucks that not a lot of people watch this show at my school because people can learn a lot! Thanks Ice Cube for opening up peoples eyes and showing them that even though slavery is over there are still troubles between white folks and black folks. Just to let you know, I'm white, and I have dozens and dozens of black friends, we're all the same. Just because we have different skin colors doesn't mean we're different. Thanks again, Ice Cube... take care every one, and think twice about racism.
I love the show its about time they allow something that effects the world blacks in general be seen has a everyday event,whites feel that they don't have to worry about this topic but they do it just effect's one race more than the other it has always and will continue to And I feel something needs to happen to both guy for them to and understand why they even got this chance to experience something like this
Scandinavian
The show in it's self was predigest.
Why didn't the black family go into a black
area in white make-up??? Because it would have
shown how racist blacks are.
This show took the safe, typically preconceived road.
I'd bet money that it was edited to show the same
as well.
I never gave much thought to being white vs black.
My family has every possible nationality in it.
Scandinavian, Chinese, Japanese, Middle Eastern, Black,
Italian, Latin ... endless. So my cousins are all mixed.
Never gave race a thought. Was confused when a
friends mother said I had nice skin for a Latin. I went
home and asked what a Latin was.
Then came the Watts Riots. Blacks marched through
the streets, yelling and chanting, destroying everything in
their path. And attitudes changed.
At school, on the streets, Blacks began to stare until
eye contact was made, just so they could try and intimidate.
Blacks students were bussed into our school for games.
They set our cheerleaders on fire. Turned over busses,
started fights. Friends of mine, who were Black, began
to act differently. Talking in Black slang ... trying to
act more Black. "Street Black" , "Ghetto Black".
30 years later and things still have not changed.
Surrounding area's are becoming more popular with Ghetto Blacks.
And we see them more and more in our markets and stores.
Which wouldn't matter except for one thing ... they way they
act. They're loud, unruly, screaming across the market
to one another.
One day the local Bowling Alley or skate rink, not sure
what it is, closed due to too many people being in the building.
I was at the market next door when it began to fill up with
loud screaming Ghetto Blacks.
I bought my groceries and went outside ... where the Ghetto Blacks
were jumping on cars, dancing in the parking lot ... acting
like animals.
All I could think was "I do not want to live around this crap".
And I don't.
So who is separating themselves from whom?
It's not the color of ones skin ... but rather how you treat others ...
if you show respect to their home, belongings ... then you get it
in return ... reap what you sow.
Demanding respect doesn't work ... it must be earned.
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