Rick ross is a fat lying piece of shit...He will get in a magizine and talk that shit that he was never a c.o but won't face the people like a real nigga he claims to be...Fraud ass trying to hide behind his money...We still see you fat boy!!!!!!
And as for bow wow..what I want to know is why is it every time he's getting ready to put out a album we start hearing all these storys about how he's sleeping with this girl and that girl...Dude..Get a new gimmick...Don't think people forgot about that youtube video that you had took down within the hour of you and o kissing threw that door...

Hell Naw. Camron can not make it on his own. Camron has always been lame. He can't rap for shit. "Huey, Duey, Louie, fuey, ka-ka, ma-ma"!! Nigga what!... Not even people in Harlem no what the fuck he be talking about. Camron is a total fucking clown. A man in a pink mink and a pink range rover. The fuck outta here. And is it me, but Camron looks stupid as fuck rocking all that jewelry. Cam you look like a bafoon dawg. I hope you aint spend all that $$$ you got from the Santanna deal, cause you'll be broke soon. Yeah, if it happened to Dame Dash, it sure as hell can happen to this lame, mis-money managing ass nigga.
Superhead is really putting it out there that she will be your sex slave for $$$$...I hope she reads this site. She will never get married unless it's to a dude that is totallyl broke and don't have a pot to piss in. I mean is she really that naive to think that big time male celebs will wife her up. I mean she has to be joking right. She know how the game go, can't turn a hoe into a housewife. Superhead, i thought you new the deal missy. You will have to bring down your standards to marry a dude, and he'll have to be damn near broke. Nobody wants to bring your hoe ass to momma. I bet she has every damn disease known to man.
Rick False!!!! Just fucking fess up dawg! How the fuck are you gonna keep denying public records fool. This nigga is so stupid. I mean they got your pics (with the negatives, and i aint seen negatives in a long ass time since we moved into the digital age), and they got your Social Security number matching up to everything. Just come clean. His career is finished. Fucking fake ass, clown ass rappers.
Still waiting for Yung Turd to surface about his chain being snatched. I guess it is taking him this long for that face to heel. Heard he really did get the bizness!!!!

didnt krs one say dont get high on your own supply not biggie

hey Archie Fucque didnt krsone say dont get high on your own supply first

We all know Ross was a cop. And most likely he is still a cop, only now he's Larry Fishburne in Deep Cover. What is so surprising to me is that the rest of the hip hop community is giving this dude a pass. Why would you give the government assigned undercover fake-black Tony Montana a pass? Rick Ross featuring Kanye, Lil Wayne, Pharrel, T-Pain, Flo-Rida, etc. Think about it. . . Sunglasses 24/7 and a big beard that wasn't there when he was a C.O. That is undercover gear fam. Wake up and blackball this dude, or leave him in a hail of hollowpoints. Word up.

I have to agree with Blender. I laugh when people criticize 50 and then proclaim Pac the greatest rapper ever. Pac is the pinnicle of gimmickry. 50 took his blueprint and ran with it. Everything you hate about 50 you should hate about Pac. He is the prototype for all that I came to hate about rap. The music took a shift from creativity to drama with him. No longer did lyrical skill matter. Getting arrested and shot became a prerequisite for success after he did the #'s he did upon his release because he didn't sell shit prior. (For those who say sales don't matter)He used beef and the promotion of division in the black community as a springboard for fame. Now there are no shortage of shirtless, tattoo'd, ignorant, buffoons throwing up gang signs and repping some hood they claim to come from although no one knew them before their fame. Lets not forget the baggy pants hanging below the ass cheeks. That guy was like poison and one day those who emulate him whether directly or indirectly will look back in disbelief... That's if they're still around.

Listen Rick Ross is talking tough in the MIA ONLY because he has E-Class & E-Class's goons behind him. Flo-Rida Can't even fight his own battles E-Class basically uses them niggaz like puppets like Jimmy Henchmen uses game. Game wouldn't talk tough like that if he didn't have a REAL goon he wouldn't talk tough. Like Dr Dre said, "some niggaz just pay niggaz to act tough/ & that's ass backwars/ cause these niggaz just keep coming back & that's when extortion happens." This niggaz is being extorted by E-Class rick ross is a fat lying p.o.s.

LOL how appropiate Dickrod dissing a dead man in 2pac. SMH God bless u brotha

Let me first say that Jay-z is my all time favorite rapper to remove any other statements that may follow. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but my opinion is I dont think Blender should have a right to an opinion on 2pac being overrated. How? He was able to reach millions of people all over the world. This means he was doing something right. He wasn't super metaphoric like Biggie was, but 2pac's lyrics were poetic similar to that of a langston hughes and his words were powerful like that of a Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. They studied 2pac's lyrics at the university of Berkeley because of how profound they were in his use of imagery and allegory. He has a book of Poems, "A rose that grew from concrete." That concept alone that 2pac created, "A rose that grew from concrete," is nearly far greater than any rap lyric. Think about how profound the concept of a rose growing from concrete is and how you can speak volumes on its meaning. Biggie had more metaphores and made you say "ooh and aahh" at how clever he would make comparisons and use street language. Pac made you say "WOW." Songs like "So many tears," "Dear mama" (He made it cool to do songs about your mother), "Until the End of Time," "Thugs Mansion," "Me and My Girlfriend," "Against All Odds (The realest shit I ever wrote)","Hail Mary" Nearly every track on "All eyes on Me." 2pac was the first rapper to do a double album, then everybody else followed including biggie. That's a sign of genius not overrated. 2pac had posthumous albums that were better than most albums albums. "Until the End of Time" Classic! "Makaveli 7 day Theory: Don Killuminati" Classic! Either of these three albums "Me against the World," "All Eyes on Me,"(which he recorded 28 songs in 2 weeks) and "Makaveli 7 day theory" (Which he recorded in 7 days) are in nearly every hip hop heads top 5 albums of all time. You gotta throw a 2pac album in your top 5 favorite rapper or not. Next thing you know people will say Jay-z is overrated. SMH! I'm surprised that no one has said Biggie was overrated. The man has only made two albums, they are great albums though, but Biggie's catalogue aint deep enough IMO. I still put Big in my top 5 because of the impact that he has made but I put Big right under Nas. My top 5 1. Jay-z 2. 2pac 3. Nas 4. Biggie 5. Big L (personal preference, people from Harlem like me know of him a lil better). 2pac was extremely versatile, He had those club bangers, Street records, conceptual records, and ground breaking records, like "Dear Mama." Name a Biggie record that was ground breaking. Don't say "Juicy," for it was just another song about a guy talkin bout how rough it was growing up in the hood and how its all good. Biggie did not make conceptual records like how Nas would or Jay would or Pac would.

If 2pac is overrated then Martin Luther King and Malcolm X are overrated. Bob Dylan is not the greatest singer in the world but he has done things that has impacted and changed the format of pop and rock music. i.e. songs with 3 verses, and songs that lasted longer than 4minutes. Before, pop songs only lasted 2:30, 3min at the most. 2pac is as good as everyone perceives him to be. 75million people (records he sold worldwide) could not be wrong. He is in the guiness book of world records for being the most successful rap artist of all time selling more records than any other rap artist. Eminem is very close behind him tho. Like I said, everyone has their individual privalege to an opinion, but your opinion has to be backed with support in order for it to be credible. There is no support for 2pac being overrated. Not that I believe this, I most certainly do not, but there is more support for Biggie being overrated (I.E. only recording only two studio albums). Like Jay-z said, "Men Lie, women lie, numbers don't." Blender has now lost credibility for writing such an article. 2pac may not be your favorite rapper for whatever reason, but you cannot deny his impact on music and as a journalist you have to be careful on the things you say or else you will contribute to the magazine you work for losing its credibility, which will ultimately lead to its demise.

The comparisons of Pac to MLK and Malcolm is exactly why I welcome his exposure. He is given too much credit on a level he has no business being put on. To me that cheapens the struggles of the aforementioned great men. Pac was a confused kid addicted to attention. It is sacrilegious to compare narcissistic individuals to people willing to die for the sake of others.

The Panthers taught that you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Who can say with a straight face that Pac was part of ANY solution?

Real Talk.....Thanks dawg, you saved me from typing damn near a novel of why Pac is legendary. Because Nimrod is exactly that...A fuckin Nimrod.

@Clo-fresh

Did you ever meet Pac? I did. Not only did I meet him but spent time around him on more than one occasion. Aside from that my homies sometimes held him down when he was in NY. You my nigga are a dickriding fan devoid of capabilities pertaining to logic and reason. I put the bait out there and sure enough clowns like you bite. Did you notice how Real Talk and I hold differing perspectives yet refrained from personal attacks? You couldn't express yourself in that manner if you tried so he didn't save you any time whatsoever. You're the typical FAN of hip hop... Foundated in IGNORANCE and motivated by EMOTION.

Truth of the matter is I can share a few revealing things about your hero that are irrefutable but I won't. If people like his music that's one thing but when attempts to elevate his relevance to more profound places in history are made people like myself will always be here to say pump your brakes youngin cause that ain't how it went down.

You like Pac cause your mother loved him and wished he was your daddy. Keep that personal shit out the debate. All you know about Pac is secondhand or probably thirdhand. You probably thank God for QD3 and his tired ass BEEF DVD series. Pac's legendary status as you call it has little to do wth his music and everything to do with his knack for creating SPECTACLE.

Now write me a novel if you can.

G-Unot Killa,couldnt have said it better and the blogger that wrote this shit is dumb as f*ck. how is Jadakiss the most over rated rapper? what the f*ck. if anything he is the most under rated. most people dont even know his name.

Wow...

As a Pac fan, i take deep offence to the article published in Blender. Motherf*ckers be tripping!
All they trying to do is go in the opposite direction to what everybody knows: There is Pac and there is the rest. As we look forward to celebrate 12 years since his passing, the last thing is some bullshit magazine talking reckless about Pac. This is why muthaf*ckers gets sprayed.

Onefour,you's a muthaf*cker. How the f*ck can you put Pac and 50 in one line? Damn, blasphem!
Pac had more than in his little finger than fif has in his whole f*cking body. Pac is the real deal. Ya'll motherf*ckers tripping. There is Pac and there is the rest..

Pac was not perfect, but let's reserve criticism for a day other than the anniversary of his death.

But, NimRod makes a great point.

Pac was a great rapper, but he was by far NOT a great man.

Pac was very contradictory and hypocritical. He would talk all this positive upliftment BS, then he would go out there and act like an ignorant fool.

Feel free to be a fan of TuPac. Nothing wrong with that. But, when you start to put Pac in the same category as MLK and Malcolm X, you're bugging out hard. Sounds like folks need a reality check. You've been watching too much TV homie. Go read a book.

I loved Pac as a rapper and performer. But, I thought he was an idiot that needed a good smack upside the head at times. I feel the same way about Kanye, Jeezy, Wayne and 50. Love their music, but I think that personally, they are conceited idiots.

@ NIMROD & REAL TALK

Excellent points on both sides. Dayum, I'd love to post my own novel on this, but I definitely taking from both of your posts. Opinions are opinions, but it's good that both have included some logic to substantiate your viewpoints.

On the strength of actual records and the use of imagery, I see REAL TALK's viewpoint (especially in the way you expressed it and compared it with other artists). But you lose me when you go to the extent of comparing dude to MLK and Malcolm X.

NIMROD, I could've guessed your frustration before you even posted a response. It has to do with people enjoying someone's music, even if it's just one song, and commencing with the hero-worship and the exaggerations. Consumers hardly ever can consider these artists in the light of reality - not only that these are just people, but that lyrics on a song or records sold is nowhere near the same as actual contribution to society.

Hip-Hop is so full of pretense that an artist can literally create their whole history and persona, according to whatever garners attention in that moment of time - in Pac's case, "thug life." He was an excellent rapper, but he also may have been the best bullsh*tter in history.

Is Blender correct in saying he's overrated? As a rapper, I don't think so. That fool worked his ass off and more than 75% of his work was good if not decent. But as the figure he has been made out to be? Yes, Pac is overrated.

What I always say is time tells it's own tale. Would Biggie and Pac be regarded as the legends they are if they REMAINED ALIVE??? Nope. How do I know? Ask Rakim the "god emcee." I think he's somewhere in Lithuania doing a show right about now.

BLASFEMI wrote: How the f*ck can you put Pac and 50 in one line? Damn, blasphemy!
Pac had more than in his little finger than fif has in his whole f*cking body. Pac is the real deal. Ya'll motherf*ckers tripping. There is Pac and there is the rest...

There you go right there... blindness caused by uncontrollable hero-worship. Although Pac has a few records that went deeper than your standard "shoot-em-up" anthems, as artists there isn't that much separating Pac and 50... I know it kills y'all to hear that. They both exploited a stereotype of urban Black males to get a following and make tons of money in the process. Pac was more lyrical and poetic, but that has nothing to do with "realness." According to "gangsta-rap idiots" y'all should be awarding 50 on the category of "realness" rather than a failed dealer who went to a privileged art school and wrote poetry, who then danced back-up for a pop group, and when he fashioned himself into a thug, lived the rest of his life as Suge Knight's b*tch!

Obviously it doesn't line up with the persona he gave himself in the media, but who cares, right? Pac was a damn-good rapper. But he peddled the same negroidian buffoonery that your man 50 Cent does. Not exactly an MLK or Malcolm X of the community, wouldn't you say?

That was very disrespectful, and as a black man i am personally offended. I will never support that magazine after reading such garbage. As Pac said "God bless the dead". The clown that wrote the article should have kept that bullshit to himself. Sounds like a bitter whiteboy. Pac was our Malcolm X. Have any of you clowns actually read Malcolm's biography? Do you know the type of shit he was out in the streets doing at the ages of 20-25? How can you condemn the way Pac behaved, but fail to forget he died at 25 years old!!!!! He wasnt in his 40's of course a 22 year old boy/man is gonna be immature at times. But look at how much he accomplished by 25, its hard to believe he was so young. You can't sit here and judge Pac as a man you fucking idiots. 100% of human beings make mistakes when they are young, but all is forgotten years down the line. So i say again, before you ever try to down him as a "MAN" realize he died at 25 and never had the chance to become a man. Now ask your selves how much did you accomplish in life at the ages of 20-25? Pac was the most mature 20 yr old i ever seen. Duke was only becoming more positive, and concious b4 his death. He spoke of things in his last interview that really touched my heart, and made me change my life. lol at the thought jigga releasing RD @ the age of 27, and Pac was already the GOAT by the age of 25.

After reading that I feel disrespected as a black man. I will never support that magazine after reading such garbage. As Pac said "God bless the dead". The clown that wrote the article should have kept that bullshit to himself. Sounds like a bitter whiteboy. Pac was out Malcolm X. Have any of you clowns actually read Malcolm's biography? Do you know the type of shit he was out in the streets doing at the ages of 20-25? How can you condemn the way Pac behaved, but fail to forget he died at 25 years old!!!!! He wasnt in his 40's of course a 22 year old boy/man is gonna be immature at times. But look at how much he accomplished by 25, its hard to believe he was so young. You can't sit here and judge Pac as a man you fucking idiots. 100% of human beings make mistakes when they are young, but all is forgotten years down the line. So i say again, before you ever try to down him as a "MAN" realize he died at 25 and never had the chance to become a man. Now ask your selves how much did you accomplish in life at the ages of 20-25? Pac was the most mature 20 yr old i ever seen. Duke was only becoming more positive, and concious b4 his death. He spoke of things in his last interview that really touched my heart, and made me change my life.
Pac was a revolutionary, and 90% of your favorite rappers will tell you he's that dude. He was a genius and he knew he had to make a gangtsa cut or club hit to get you to by the album, so he can hit you with real black powerful shit ignorant niggas dont wanna hear. lol at the thought jigga releasing RD @ the age of 27, and Pac was already the GOAT by the age of 25.

wow how can we miss Lil Wayne as overated? well how is Jadakiss most overated? Jay-Z kinda to me, he seem like he turned comercialized a little after Biggie died.

Peace React. I don't agree with Real Talk but at least he's not emotional like some of these other dudes.

Musically, Pac was unimpressive prior to his release from prison. He was just another of many good rappers. After his release and alliance with Deathrow BEEF became his primary marketing tool. 50 did the same thing. Conjure up some imaginary conspiracy and then set out to defeat it. I wonder how many people would care about Pac's music were it not for all the drama that catapulted him to the spotlight. That's why I think even musically he's overrated.

As far as comparing him to Malcolm at 25 then that can be said about BIG and just about every young black male cut down prematurely but we all know why people make the comparison with Pac. There's a disingenuous attempt to make him out to be more than an entertainer and I'm not having it.

Pac was a disappointment. He didn't shoot those cops in Atl but took credit for it. He allowed a black woman to suck his dick on a dance floor in a blatant display of ego tripping and disrespect for the women he claimed to love. I know he didn't rape her but had he treated her like the "sisters" he rhymed about she would have never called the police.

Furthermore at the Deathrow Christmas party after he got out he instigated the brutal beating and sodomy of an innocent dude who had the misfortune of being from NY but taking a job with Deathrow. The poor fella sued and caked up but he was never the same mentally. I didn't know him personally but the thought that Pac did that to another black man sickens me. I don't care if he sold a billion records.

You dudes don't know nothing about Pac the man. Somebody should've killed that piece of shit sooner and saved us all the trouble. He was dirt and I don't care how anyone feels about it. That's all I got to say on the matter.

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THIS FAGGOT IS GOING TO HELL

Like I said before. Everyone has a privalege to express their opinion. Reasonable people often disagree which is why we face global and local dilemmas on a day to day basis. I was in no way trying to say Pac was on the same level with Martin Luther King or Malcolm x in the sense that you all were making it. I was simply making a comparison in how pac was able to speak to the souls of other human beings and capture their attention (both positive and negative) like that of any profound orator such as an MLK or MX. If he was so underrated and unimpressive, there was something about him that got him 75million sold worldwide. Think over that! All of us are equals as human beings, since we are all born of a woman and come into this world knowing nothing. A dead man is in same state as any other dead man, whether he was rich or poor, perceived to be good or evil, smart or dumb, a dead man is motionless like all other dead men. We are also all hypocrites. There is no man that walked this earth that hasn't contradicted himself. Although we may know right from wrong, our flesh is weak making us to fall victims into to doing the wrong thing sometimes. I say this because although MLK and MX should be honored and respected, they were still human beings. Therefore you can compare and contrast one human being to another regardless to what level we may perceive them to be at.

Nimrod you must think carefully on what it is that you are saying. To say someone should have killed Pac sooner is a sign of arrogance. You have just said in so many ways that you deserve life more than he did To say Pac is less of a man because he got oral sex on the dance floor is hypocritical. We must stay true to ourselves. What would you do in that same situation? We all have our different boundaries and things we really wouldn't do but how many men out there really would refuse oral sex regardless to where it takes place at? A proud man would say, "I would never do such a thing" until he is presented with the same circumstance. We all like to throw stones and not look in the mirror. We all have our faults as people. We are all weak to something. We all need self improvement. We when see persons of worth we should try and equal ourselves to them. When we see persons of contrary character we should look inward and examine ourselves. We should honor the good the we see in people and not judge them for being human. My ultimate point nimrod is that you seem like a very intelligent individual and I respect that, but don't let your pride and arrogance get the best of you. Remember that you are not Pac's maker therefore you cannot judge that which you had nothing to do in creating. We all do good and bad things at the end of the day because our knowledge and wisdom is limited. I'm sorry Nimrod, but your point crumbles in and of itself.

I find it VERY INTERESTING to see the aim of argument/discussion evolve and stray from what was the original frame of opinion to something unrelated. I believe the original dispute was about the "greatness" of 2Pac's music, whether overrated or not. This is a totally isolated issue that isn't related to an argurment regarding any claim of 2Pac being a role model and/or an examination of his moral fiber as it pertained to his music, unless you decide to make it so.

2Pac had his flaws (who doesn't) but musically he was able to reach people in ways a lot of artists envy. I've been priviledge to live overseas, and I knew people in countries that spoke little English, but were 2Pac fans. The only other artist I know had that effect on people was MICHAEL JACKSON. Biggie prolly made it cool for you to be you, but with phrases like "ridin' in a bucket like it's a Benz," Pac REALLY made it Cool for you to be you, whether you was on Versace and Kristal, or Walmart and Koolaid. That was the genius of the impact he had MUSICALLY. Again I know little about the man personally, but thats not the original discussion piece. It's a debate on the ability of his music to reach lives regardless of race, age, gender or economic status or "greatness of his music," something Blender doesn't know a damn thing about. His lyrical prowess and content, I'm not even gonna go there. Dude was ill.......

'Peace to REAL T... whatchu know about Big L'? These cats need a reminder...

@Real Talk

My only point is that Pac isn't the positive black leader his fans try to portray. Nor is he a great ARTIST. He sold those records because of clever marketing in my opinion which is why I agree with Blender. His life was an ongoing Reality show or soap opera playing itself out before our very eyes. The masses were capitivated by his antics and histrionics far more than any song he ever wrote. He has become the template for GIMMICKS in rap. Nothing about him was real.

I'm far from perfect myself but I also don't encourage people to worship me. MLK was a preacher who commited adultery yet it doesn't tranish the greater good of his life. Perfection is not the issue. Fans try to make it seem as if Pac did something profound for the community through his music and he didn't. If Pac's influence was just about his music I would say little if anything, but he's been elevated to god like status for all the wrong reasons and I find that troubling

He sold tons of records but at what cost to himself and the black youth who emulate him and see him as a ROLE MODEL even to this day? Everyone from DMX, Ja Rule, Lil Wayne and every other shirtless, tattoo'd rapper/minstrel who came after him perpetuated his imagery so now we have a generation of unemployable wannabe "thugs" drenched in tats trying to emulate this fool. I feel for THEM. His rebelliousness served him no good and those following him will fare no better.

Even in pro sports his imagery has spread like a cancer. Allen Iverson is little more than a Tupac inspired ball player as are most of the new breed of NBA "thugs." They've posed such a marketing problem for the league that now they have to go abroad to find players their TICKET BUYING fans can identify with. Not just white ones either (Tony Parker). The thug mentality Tupac popularized has cost us more opportunities than you can imagine. If for nothing else I welcome the change in the perception of the black male an Obama presidency will bring. This shit has got to stop.

Part of Pac's status comes from him being transformed into a cult like figure. The same thing was done with Elvis but if a few million whites are played like fools it has no effect on them as a whole. Unlike with us. Every setback is major.

I say things sometimes just to provoke thought on here. Not only do I not care for Pac, I don't care for anyone connected to Deathrow during that era and it has nothing to do with East Coast/West Coast but it has everything to do with young black men who were in a position to do good yet instead chose to take their minstrel act to new heights for personal gain by inciting violence within the coomunity to sell those many albums you are so cognizant of.

Tupac Shakur was the ringleader of that effort and that will always be his legacy as far as I'm concerned. By virtue of his actions and choices he became a TOOL of the enemies of black people on a grand scale. Although he's not alone when it comes to counterproductive behavior I can think of no other who negatively influenced so much and so many. The Klan had to have been pleased.

I don't know how old you are but I actually remember people refusing to accept his death. It was surreal. The ignorance in our community was exploited for the sake of record sales and laid bare for all to see. The adulation Pac receives today from people too young to even really enjoy his music when it came out is testimony to the success of that exploitation. The man was presented as a Christ like figure on album covers and in videos. Where do you think Nas, Remy Ma and Diddy got the idea from? The neagative trends that man put in motion are too many to mention.

Lastly, arrogance is not why I said what I said about him getting killed sooner. I see him as a cancer and like any cancer the sooner it is removed the better. Pac's imagery, negativity and narcissism has now become the standard for not just rappers, but for young impressionable black men in every facet of life.

What many know but will not admit is we've lost an entire generation to this mindset and although he may not have intended it, he provided the spark by which it took place. Better one delusional fool bite the bullet than an entire generation. Don't you think?

That's called common sense not ARROGANCE my man.

It hilarious the way duke inadvertently lists numerous reasons why Pac Is the GOAT. But its even funnier the way he blames a 25 year old for all of black americas problems. This man has college courses being taught in his name. He has respected writers like Michael Eric Dyson quoting his verses on in congress. This miserable Bill Cosby ass n*gga gets on here and sh*ts on blacks everyday. You think anyone is falling for that bullshit u typed? You sound like an old scorned bitch. Did pac make u drink piss homo? You in ur 40s duke. Tell me why a old ass n*gga like ur self would spend so much time bashing blacks on a black web site? A hood n*gga took ur bitch, so now u hate any n*gga from da hood, and u hate all black women because one ho used u for ur guap and spent it on a hood n*gga. Take your sissy ass back to stormfront, ol Sean Hannity ass poser.

i've been sayin that for yrs! i got mad luv for pac. he was nice but G.O.A.T, F*CK NO! "brenda's got a baby", "keep ya head up" and ya'll act like he was a genuis prophet or some shit. real talk, n*ggaz wasn't even feelin pac like that til makaveli. when he started shitin on NYC thatz when everyone jump on the bandwagon. for some reason it's alot of NYC hate out there. funny how n*ggaz get shot up and live and think they're invinceable til they get that reality check-ya dig!

@Pac Nas or Big

You're one of those pathetic n*ggers who think ignorance is cool so you mask your own intellect by talking "black." LOL! I don't blame Pac for all of our problems you nitwit but he is symbolic of much that has gone wrong with the so-called hip hop generation.

Jay-Z is in his 40's as is LL as is Dr. Dre and many others. Pac would be 37 if he was alive. Doesn't it make sense that someone from the same age bracket be better qualified to discuss the effects of the impact caused by his own generation. Am I too old to speak to the impact of MY generation on yours? Please let me know. If ignorance is all you know then why wouldn't it seem normal? "Nah mean?" LOL!

You're a clown. You start off your statement like the college educated person I know you are then you go off into character like the rappers you worship.

As far as courses being taught in Pac's name, what job will you get with that? Wasn't ebonics taught in schools at one time as well? All sorts of madness are done to appease dimwitted n*ggers like yourself. If anyone paid to take a course on Tupac in college then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them.

I have fun being the spoiler on here. Disrupting the fantasy people like you enjoy. Actually, I'm doing you and your kind a favor by waking you from your slumber. One day you'll thank me. LOL!

Wow!I guess 2pac can be listed as an overrated lyricist. People can say that but no one can deny that every rapper out here and deceased followed his blueprint in making the rap game worth millions. 2pac was not about rap, he was a rapper but his true purpose was doing something to help black people. Before 2pac and later Biggie, the rap game was not worth millions of dollars. 2pac wanted to show black people another way to get money and then do something to better the community. Yes, he promoted violence and talked alot of sh*t but that was what it took to sell 9 million copies of All Eyez On Me. F*ck being a good lyricist if you can't even make moeny. 50 Cent followed 2pac's blueprint to the core. Now if he used his money to do more positive stuff in the long run than maybe everyone would understand...

I cant believe this!! what dem white folks at Blender knoW about Pac? obviously nothing! dude was a great lyricist, and poet. In my opinion, a great rapper has to speak on many different topics, like Tupac did and Kanye has been doing(not comparing him to Pac or anything yet). Pac gave you every side of the story and he did it with a fast, slow, or medium flow, dats why he's da greatest rapper in my eyes. and how dare yall compare him to 50! 50 aint put out a good record since his first album! and he was never as good a lyricist as Pac, so keep dem two names away from each other!! Niggas! Them BLender bastids need to go listen to more than 3 songs before they call Makaveli overrated, GOD put that dude on this Earth just to be the Greatest Rapper, and he could do more than just a rapper, he was an intelligent dude(he got into some school of the arts) Watch yall mouth!!

@Nimrod.

I'm afraid that there is only one side to your argument. The mentality that I don't like from other black people is putting down their own people for doing the best they could do with the knowledge they had, considering the fact that we are a broken people due to the latent effects of slavery and we are in the process of coming up. We have to bare with each other. 2pac was profound in his "Rose that Grew from Concrete." It was almost like he knew there would be people like Nimrod and Blender magazine that would criticize. 2pac said that, if you were to see a rose that grew from concrete you would not say, damn look at all the scratches and marks, but you would say "DAMN! a Rose grew from the concrete." 2pac like many other Blackmen in are Roses that Grew from concrete and we need to bare with each other. He was 25 years old! Malcolm X was a street hustler and pimp at 25! That was because Malcolm did not know any better. How could he know except he had a teacher? And how could he have a teacher except he be sent? We need to stop putting each other down and lift each other up! When we see the value in a person instead of lookin down upon them because of short comings, the brilliance that they bring to the table can help to move us forward. 2pac's intelligence and charisma was undeniable. He was far more charismatic than Biggie. Biggie too was intelligent and valuable in they many people look up to him as well. If we were to equip 50, when they were alive, equip Pac and Biggie, they would be able to put a message in their music to help mobilize people in a positive because their reach is awesome!

Nimrod you sound like a house negro that thinks he is better than the field negro because he lived better, ate better, wears the slave master's clothes, and is closer to the master. Hence, you look down upon the field negro that does what he/she can to survive. One can easily say that your mindset nimrod is a cancer that needs to be removed. I wouldn't be so quick as to say that a person should be removed, like I deserve life more than the next man. I would say that a mentality should be removed and we can start by educating. Nimrod I hope that you learn to be more conscious of your words, because you are speaking as if you have a superior knowledge and wisdom, yet you are not doing anything to educate your people so that you can cure the cancer of their minds as you so put it.

Lastly if all you got out of 2pac's music was violence, then you are proving yourself to not have enough knowledge about the man you are talking about. 2pac was a revolutionary (he is the son of Black Panthers) and he articulated the struggle better than any rapper. Still no one has yet to prove 2pac to be overrated. Rappers like Lupe Fiasco and Kanye West can exist because of 2pac. He made it cool to be yourself and not to follow some gimmick. He showed that we are whole human beings. Stars are often put in boxes and on a pedistal to where we don't see them as humans. It is only human to contradict yourself. Its just that when you have good PR, they make sure your contradictions are never seen or heard so you think of this person as being saint, when in truth they are the biggest devils. Nimrod was a man that lived 300 years after Moses and got people to stray away from moses's teachings of righteous and started people living a pagan lifestyle. Nimrod was a motherfucker, literally in that he had sexual relations with his mother and was open about it. Nimrod is also the true meaning behind the christmas holiday since he was born dec. 25 and when he died he was buried under a tree and people would bring gifts every year on his birthday to put under the tree. Not to go too far off but christmas is the biggest joke against humanity since you are really celebrating Nimrod and not Jesus. Nimrod single handedly in his wickedness got people to stray away from righteous to where now Jesus had to come and clean up the mess and suffer crucifixion because people wanted to hold on to their pagan lifestyle. So now that I think about it, a man that would call himself Nimrod has no credibility whatsoever and now I feel like I produced an argument with a fool. Something that I should never do. Fools with arrogance are the ones who play like their wise men, but really they are fools. You would only call yourself Nimrod unless you are a fool. Its almost like you are openly admitting it. We must not argue with fools because no one will know the difference. To speak on common sense and call yourself a 'Nimrod' is a contradiction in and of itself. Change your name so your words can be more credible and respected. Intelligent people should choose proper psuedonyms for themselves unless they want to appear to be moronic.

@Real Talk

You started the debate well but you have strayed into the realm of psychobabble and pontification.

Pac had many other choices. You have now become his apologist. I am not black because I don't like Tupac? A house ni*gger because I do not like Tupac? Arrogant because I do not like Tupac? These baseless assertions by yourself and others when confronted by differing perspectives and obvious truths when discussing a RAP star is all the proof I need.

You defend his musical legacy but it is obvious he is so much more to YOU and many others.

He is a creation of Jimmy Iovine and others like him who find willing stooges to exploit and mislead the likes of you. I'm not going to disect your logic. As far as my psuedonym you're really reaching. You call yourself Real Talk and offered anything but. Slowly but surely the strength of my argument unnerved you as is usually the case when people pretend to be something and someone they are not. You were never objective so now you fall to personal attacks. How predictable. Regardless of how you or I feel about Pac the truth speaks for itself. Nothing anyone else has said to the contrary of my position has threatened my sense of self in any way but I see cats squirming on here and we all know why.

Speak the truth and shame the Devil. The truth may be an offense but it is never a sin.

PS. Nimrod if he was a indeed real person existed before the time of Moses not after. Do the math on his genealogy. Everything about you is so full of holes That I'd have to write a book to correct you. Do some more studying before you try coming at me like that.

I AM that I AM.

That is the one and only statement in hip-hop that completely pisses me off.

Anyone that says 2Pac is overrated wasn't into rap when he was living. You wannabe part time hip-hop lovers are always trying to analyze some shit you were never a part of anyways.

2Pac started the solider trend, he started the thug trend, him and his friends from the bay (like E-40 and Spice 1) were the people who had everybody drinking Hennessey. All Eyez on Me started the rap double CD trend. 2Pac was artist that had everyone wearing medallions for their rap label. Hell Hit'em Up changed the way people did diss songs forever. Pac was also the first gangsta rapper (ie not Will Smith like) to get into acting, and to actually be taken seriously for it.

There are just too many things to name that weren't wide spread or flat out didn't exsist in rap before Pac did them.

If you were born after 1982, and haven't been HEAVY into rap for at least 16-18 years, you haven't earned the right to argue whether or not Pac was overrated.

Me being college educated has nothing to do with the way I talk or type on a hip hop web site. Real niggas know when to use their natural verbage, and whe to use that shit you use 24/7. You an old Larry Elder ass n*gga. I wouldnt be shocked if you really are Larry Elder. The self hate just seeps through your posts. Couple that with the fact that you find some of the most nastiest shit to say about my people on a daily basis is very disturbing.
NO SELF RESPECTING BLACK MAN COULD EVER HATE 2PAC. You have some serious issues that you need to work out with your self. I didnt think n*ggas like you actually existed im real life. Have you ever heard the "Me Against The World" lp? You repeatedly said Pac was nothing musically before deathrow, even though many vouch for that being his best masterpiece. Nas is the closest thing we will ever see to Pac and I bet you hate his guts aswell O'reilly.

@Pac Nas or Big

LOL! I practice speaking like a grown man ALL the time cause I'm not a kid anymore. LOL! Nas is cool but he's just an entertainer as well. No one equates Nas with black manhood or yes I'd have to get at him too. The nerve of you to suggest Pac is representative of anyone but Afeni's child.

By putting Pac on a pedestal you subject him to examination. If he or you can't stand it then don't put him there.

You sound ignorant. According to your logic loving Pac is mandatory if you're black. Really? Guess your years in college was a bust. Our education system is really fucked up. LOL!

I didn't say he was nothing before Deathrow. I said he was one of many good rappers. Go back and read my words after your cramps subside. The problem is if I don't feel like he's the greatest thing since sliced bread musically I must be white or a Tom or crazy.

No other artist impacted hip hop like Pac but that had little to do with his music or whatever message his fans cliam he had. It was all about DRAMA and SPECTACLE. From THAT premise I agree with Blender.

As a black man he is a despicable example of what black men are or should be. I'm not going to repeat myself. I've provided enough reasoning, examples and facts.

I don't attack black people. I attack the people who have presented hip hop as black culture for personal profit. It is not our culture and therefore NO ONE it produces has anything to do with the black experience per se.

If you equate hip hop with blackness then you've been DUPED by white corporate robber barons and their willing black stooges. Hip hop is a business and more specifically a marketing tool to pitch everything from phone cards to automobiles to people like you waiting for Simon to give the next instruction. The white boys provide black heroes they create and control to keep SHEEP like you in your slumber.

The blue pill or the red? Ooops. We know which one you took.

You guys are f*cking stupid for hating on 2pac!
Hes a legend, his music is hard and will never die.
OneFour your full of sh*t bitch!
I love being in the hood,so f*ck you

You guys are f*cking stupid for hating on 2pac!
Hes a legend, his music is hard and will never die.
OneFour your full of sh*t bitch!
I love being in the hood, so f*ck you

Posted by: MurdaOne!760CA | September 06, 2008 at 06:53 PM
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I COULD GO ON AND ON AND DISCUSS WHY THIS IDIOT ABOVE ME (ASSUMING HE'S BLACK) IS JUST ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHY WE WILL ALWAYS BE LOOKED AT AS INFERIOR IGNORANT BEINGS IN AMERICA, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT TO "NIMROD" TO VERBALLY TEAR THIS GUY'S HOOD-PRIDE APART HAHAHAHAHA

WHAT UP NIMROD

No Nimrod. You need to check your sources on the genealogy of Nimrod. I speak of the Nimrod that existed 300 years before the birth of Jesus. You may be referring to where Genesis says he is the son of Cush. The Bible is a questionable book and is not very reliable when referring to history. No where does it say that Moses is even the author of such, in fact moses is not even mentioned in the book of Genesis. No where in the book does it say, "This book was revealed to Moses." The only thing that was revealed to Moses was the 10 commandments. It doesn't say that, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy, were books revealed to Moses to give to the people. Nimrod killed his father and married his mother whose name was Ester or Easter and led everyone to live a pagan lifestyle. He kept it a secret that he and his mother were married and that he was making babies with her. So when his mother was pregnant he lied to the people and said that she was impregnated by the holy ghost. Christianity is a mixture of Judaism and paganism to make it more flexible. The worshiping of Statues, drinking blood (wine) and eat body (flesh) is Pagan. Christmas secretly honors Nimrod and not Jesus and Easter is Esther's Birthday, not the crucifixion of Jesus and him rising 3 days later. The Evergreen Tree (Christmas Tree) is a memorial to nimrod who is the real Santa Claus. Nimrod would go into Asia and rob the people there and bring gifts back to Europe. And this is who you name yourself after?!?!!? To claim you can write a book to correct me without having any real knowledge of who you are talking to is pure arrogance. I have yet to underestimate your intelligence, so please don't underestimate mine unless you want to look like a fool. Perhaps it is your arrogance that is blocking your understanding and leaving you open to confusion. Practicing humility will lead you to a greater awareness opening you up to understanding. Knowledge without the proper application (Wisdom) is useless.

@Real Talk

Dude... I'm not looking for a life coach. From the sound of things you may've spent too much time reading Malachi York's publications or listening to those so-called Hebrew Israelites that dress up like the 5 Deadly Venoms and scream at passer-bys. I certainly hope you don't think they're any more credible than the Old Testament.

The topic is Tupac. Stay focused man. I know full well who Nimrod is and what he symbolizes. I use that psuedonym for my own reasons. I'm hunting BIG GAME not squirrels and jack-rabbits but every time I turn there's some chihuahua nipping at my heels.

You've gone from comparing Tupac to MLK and Malcolm X to questioning the authorship of the Bible. WTF?! It appears that you are unraveling at the seams. Regain your composure young man.

I can be arrogant but in this case I'm right and have little patience with bumbling idiots who know it all. In the presence of greater knowledge and experience I gladly become the student. I have yet to encounter that on this topic on this site.

Out of curiosity, where can I read about the Nimrod and related "facts" you speak of? Please don't direct me to some fringe cult like the Nuwabians, Hebrew Israelites or NOI. Surely you have irrefutable sources for your dynamic assertions.

I'm waiting.

@ Real Recognize Real

First of all, N.W.A started(well, blew it up) "gansta rap". Pac came out with digital underground "same song". Remember he was dressed like a fuckin zulu warrior? And what about run dmc, kurtis blow, ll cool j,...etc who were doin hip hop type movies back in the day? Is it "Dear mama" or "Hail Mary"? He on some Nas shyt! What the fuck did Pac start- NADA!!! Just face it, Pac was an average mc who just followed suit & stepped his game up and appealed to a wider fan base. When he got his ass wett the fuck up in "BROOKLYN" and survived he got the sympathy fan base. Then he got real bold and started goin in on NYC artists(who had the game on LOCK @ the time) and everybody jumped on his dick! Tell me what the fuck did he do or say that makes him such a prolific icon? He was just a regular dude with a big fuckin mouth. And now we got 50! So in the words of Jadakiss, "...dead rappers get better promotion..."

-Oh, dont sleep on Killa Cam

Nimrod, just out of curiousity, who are your top 5 mc's?

@pac4president

My personal favorites change all the time. When I think about MC's I think about length of career, battle skills, crowd control and captivation, sales, etc. I weigh many things. My top 5 are as such:

1. LL Cool J

This dude started at 16. Is the foundation that Def Jam stands on. Great battle rapper. Original sex symbol who brought female interest. Author, Actor, Certified Headliner, Multi Platinum artist at a time when going gold was considered a big deal. (you'd be surprised by how many so-called greats never hit gold status) All things considered he's the G.O.A.T. Did I mention he's been doing the damn thing for 24yrs? Who can even come close?

2. Big Daddy Kane

His metaphors were the sickest. Great performer, free stylest, battle rapper, and so on. He used 5 percenter vernacular like his peer Rakim but Kane didn't alienate people who weren't as familiar with the doctrine. EVERYBODY could understand Kane

3. Tupac

He epitomized style over substance. So great was the style though that for better or worse and everyone knows what I feel, he influenced an entire generation with it. His strength was his ability to market himself. He set a dangerous precedent in the process but his impact is undeniable. Stage show was lame as hell but this dude got the absolute most out of what he had. Practically every rapper to come on the scene after him is a clone in some form or fashion.

4. Jay-Z

Jay at his best was a lyrical beast. Not quite the performer though but his verbage was next level. Much like how Kane was more palatable to the masses than Rakim, Jigga is more palatable than my #5.

5. Nas

Few people realize that when this dude dropped Illmatic he was 20yrs old which means he was a teen working on it. Today he seems like a genius but back then young dudes were simply more knowledgeable on average. Today it's all about swagger. (wonder where that started? lol). A big problem with Nas is that perhaps he was too advanced for the average hip hop consumer. Most credit Illmatic as his best work but I give the nod to Stillmatic. Jay-Z put Nas' back to the wall and forced him to add passion to his music. Passion is a powerful ingredient in rap. There's nothing like when you can feel the emotion of the artist. What Nas lacks is charisma or he'd be higher but 5 isn't bad at all.

PS. I love hip hop. I grew up on it. I know, met, and seen the best that ever did it. BUT I also know the inner workings of the game and how little say so we have in anything. What I am against is black people claiming an identity crafted by another community for business reasons. I'm against worship of false gods (celebrities) because those same people who carefully craft the images we see care not about us. So enjoy the music and the artists as enterttainment and let it end there. That goes for Tupac too. Especially Tupac.

Nimrod

I understand your point of view on Tupac, thats your opinion and I for sure respect that. I don't worship him as a god, but i think that he has made an impact on society. I know there are lyrics
from his songs that have helped me get through hard times.

"Where my daddy at?
Mama why we live so poor?
Why you cryin?
Heard you late night
through my bedroom door
Now do you love me mama?
Whitey keep on callin me nigga?
Get my weight up with my hate
and pay 'em back when I'm bigger"

Now i'm not black, but i am a minority in a predominantly white country. I've never been called the n-word, but i assure you i have been called the equivalent. That situation that pac is talking in that verse happened to me. I have had my mother at my door crying. I have had the feeling of retaliating when I was older.
All i'm saying is that Tupac had a way of connecting with his audience. Maybe he was what you say he was. The fact is, his music moved people. He was more than one dimensional. Because of his music, i have a more deeper understanding of the struggles black people go through on a day to day basis. The songs today are either about money, women, or fame. Where is message about struggles of the PEOPLE and not just the rapper?

"In time I learned a few lessons, never fall for riches Apologizies to my TRUE sisters; far from bitches"

Nas did his thing this year. Forget the sales, people got inspired by his message. And thats what i used to love about hip-hop. I was never into rock n roll, or metal, or country or whatever.
I could connect with hip hop. And personally, Tupac was the greatest
at what he did. And I'm talking musically. If you see Tupac as a
fault in black culture, then its too bad, because he made people understand the struggles. I know i check my self everyday before i leave the house. Music is just noise. It takes talented people to
make that noise sound good. But it takes a gift to turn that music into inspiration.

No hate. Just my word.