Hip-Hop's Blue Collar Spitter
Urban Pressure vs. White Dollars: Part I
I would like to start by thanking all of the supporters of truth, revolution and intelligent dialogue for your participation in our discussions over the past five weeks. Even when you don't agree with me or just hate me for no reason, I still appreciate the comments, thoughts and energy you give to our discussions. Over the next few weeks, I plan to delve deeper into issues that affect us as fans of Hip-Hop, lovers of free speech and fighters for positive change. However, I must warn you: these next few blogs will be extremely controversial; or maybe not... depending on what your threshold for rational discussion is. I discourage anyone from responding with sheer emotion. This is our opportunity through the open, unedited forums of SOHH to make a significant change in our circumstances through intelligent discussion, debate and action.
Today's blog is called "URBAN PRESSURE vs. WHITE DOLLARS: PART I."
I was on tour with Wu-Tang Clan about two months ago when I stepped on stage and suddenly realized that our audience was made up of 2,500 White males and females. Every night in 10 different cities in 10 different states, the pattern never changed: the color of the majority never altered. By the end of the tour, I was forced to think deeper about what it all meant. I mean, they say 80% of Hip-Hop is purchased by White males yet urban approval seems to drive the mass media, which then drives that 80% to the store to purchase the product. For the first time ever, there is a disconnect; what I would describe as "the White man's revolution."
White people, through their purchasing power, are the reason that Public Enemy enjoyed platinum success... not us. White people, through their purchasing power, are the reason that Kanye West continues to sell 3 million records every rip... not us. You don't believe me? Go check the facts. Not only with these artists, but a host of career Hip-Hoppers and multiplatinum-selling artists [who use their knowledge of music and rhythm instead of their chains and dope to get by] are supported [in majority] through the purchasing power of your not-so neighborhood White man.
The new style of rapping is to dumb it down and keep it in the club and on the block; you know... keep it hood. However, for the first time, the White mass is not quite as receptive to this repetitive urban strategy. Just look at the drop in Hip-Hop record sales. Now, I know that some of you will attribute that to online downloading and other new forms of free media. But I will draw your attention to Exhibit A) Kanye West - 3 million; B) Jay-Z - 3 million; C) Outkast - 11 million; and D) Eminem - 4 million (most recent domestic studio album certifications: www.riaa.com). All of these people are artists who don't conform to the boundaries of the block. Even 50 Cent, Nelly, Ludacris and T.I. possess something a little more extra than your average hood star.
Is it true? Are White people more cultured than us? Do their children enjoy a better quality of music than our children? And why do my children think that Hip-Hop started with Biggie Smalls, Tupac and Jay-Z? Don't get it twisted: I love Black people with all of my heart. I love myself. And I love my hood [South Side, Jeffrey Manor, Chicago, IL]. Yet, the question begs: what is wrong with us?
U2, Rolling Stones and Aerosmith can travel around the world entertaining hundreds of thousands of their people; both young and old. Yet, BET would suggest that Method Man is not relevant anymore. Why do we throw our heroes in the trash? Why is rap music the only genre of music where disrespect of its elders, intelligence and consciousness is acceptable? Hundreds of program directors and DJ's tell me [all of the time] that I'm their favorite new rapper; their guilty pleasure when they're not playing the bullshit over the air. Yet, they can't play my records because I'm too Hip-Hop. #1) I don't know what the fuck that means because I thought the name of the genre was Hip-Hop; and #2) it kinda makes you feel like the Black guy that your White girlfriend can't bring home to her parents because they're too ignorant to understand the love.
In closing, Harriet Tubman once said, "I freed thousands of slaves; I could have freed more if they knew they were slaves." My question to all of you today is: Why do White folks treasure rap music that deals with our cultural and developmental growth more than we do? And do they benefit from it more than us because of that appreciation?
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You are so right. It seems that today we as a people have forgotten what hip-hop really is. I want to hear Method Man, The Roots, Talib, Mos Def, You on my radio. It just doesn't happen anymore. Instead we get this idiotic music like Dipset and they play it in heavy rotation even when the junk does not sell...That's ballin' crap is non sense. My theory is Radio is controlled by the white media and they want us to hear dumbed down shit. They do not want us to hear positive hip hop..
White folks explore and surround themselves with different types of music. Black folk do not, majority of black teens will only listen to what is being over played in the clubs and on the radio. Black folks ( I am generalizing of course) do not study the history of music hence why Wu Tang, Tribe , De La Soul are a past tense in todays music. Which is a shame b/c they really said something in their music. Chi-town wild 100s
There's so little support given within the black community that it's not even funny. I work with this one female (black girl) who I let listen to my cd and she said after listening to the whole thing, you need some music you can just shake ya ass to. Now on the other hand, I'm constantly approached by white guys all the time who love my shit for what it is, and they are always saying that's it's real hip-hop, but then I ask myself, should I be worried that young white males know what real hip-hop is??? No...because hip-hop was never meant for one certain group of people to rock to, we just happened to be the first people to do it. Young white males don't want to listen to music that they can't defend when they're arguing with their parents. Kanye West says something explicit, you can defend it with Crack Music, Jay-Z says something explicit, you can defend it with Allure. But...if the white kids parents see the video for chain hang low...and they say, "how can you listen to this garbage?", there's nothing left to defend...it is garbage. One of the big problems in hip-hop is that we all too often let record sales determine every relevant aspect of the game, from skill, to power, to respect. If you're broke you can't be a "King", if T.I. would've flopped, there would've been a question mark instead of a period after King. The solution is to stop worrying about record sales...the music business is a crapshoot. It's like damn if you do, damn if you don't. If you make a record for the club or the hood (there's no difference between the two...) it's no guarantee that you are going to see 50 cent numbers. If you put out something real like Eminem (When I'm Gone) it's no guarantee that you are going to sell like him, because one, you may not be white and two, no one may know your story like they know his. Every rapper that comes out including YOU FEST, gotta have they first single upbeat and catchy, (BRANDNEW) it doesn't always work...no disrespect, but it didn't work for you. Now, maybe your record label chose that first single, but I think you should've went with the song that made the hair on the back of your neck stand up. The way to win, is to do what you love doing, fuck the politics, just m.c., if they don't get it, pray they will, and embrace the ones that do. For the fans, support your music, black, white, asian, hispanic, purple, just support the music if you love it, if not, leave it alone. It's the people who don't love hip-hop that has the game so messed up, because artists are pandering to them. Let's try pandering to the ones that love it. I have a myspace page, but won't advertise it, this isn't the format for that type of shit, so hit my email up if you want the link. One. Fest Stay UP!
i still aint buying your album. I got Aerosmith and U2 too.
Most black people are too broke. Unfortunately, I aint.
THis is a very deep and thought-provoking question you raise. However, I'm going to need some more time to properly respond to your question. In the mean time, read this satire I wrote concerning black youth and the effects of du-rags. It should be an entertaining read...http://dallaspenn.com/weblog/?p=1165
Speak on that 'Fest
1ST OF DEEP POST. I TRULY DON'T BELIEVE THOUGH THAT WHITE PPL APPRECIATE HIPHOP MORE THAN BLACK PPL. I THINK U HAVE 2 LOOK AT OUR CULTURE BACKGROUNDS. THE MAJORITY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. THEREFORE, THEY CAN RELATE MORE 2 AN EMCEE WHO IS TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING KI'S 2 COME UP. BECUZ THAT'S ALL THEY SEE ON A DAILY BASIS. IT'S EASIER 4 THEM 2 GRASP THEN COMPLEX METAPHORS & INTELLECTUAL LYRICS. THEY R 2 FAR REMOVED FROM REAL EMCEES BECUZ THEY COME FROM A DIFFERENT ERA N HIPHOP. ALL THEY KNOW IS PAC,BIGGIE,&JAY-Z. THEY WERE NOT EXPOSED 2 P.E.,X-CLAN,POOR RIGHTEOUS TEACHERS,PETE ROCK & C.L. SMOOTH..ECT. & THE PROBLEM IS THAT A MAJORITY OF 2DAYS EMCEES DON'T CARRY ON THAT TRADITION W/ ONLY A FEW EXCEPTIONS. AS FAR AS THE CROWD BEING MAJORITY WHITE 4 HIPHOP CONCERTS. I DON'T REALLY KNOW BUT MOST BLACK PPL PROBABLY CAN'T AFFORD THE TICKETS. I LIVE N DC NOW & I KNOW THAT THERE R PLENTY OF CONCERTS I WOULD LIKE 2 ATTEND, BUT SOMETIMES IT MAY INTERFERE W/ MY WORK SCHEDULE OR I KNOW THE VENUE & THERE'S BOUND 2 B DRAMA THERE. SO INSTEAD I CHOOSE 2 STAY AT HOME. I TRY 2 SUPPORT REAL HIPHOP AS MUCH AS I CAN BY ACTUALLY GOING OUT & PURCHASING THE ALBUM, BUT IT'S KINDA HARD 2 DO WHEN U HAVE CATS ON EVERY CORNER SELLING IT 4 $5. RAP IS NOW A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY & IT'S EASIER 2 MARKET A 50 THAN IT IS 2 MARKET A deadPREZ. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR. UNTIL EMCEES TAKE IT BACK 2 THE STREETS & MARKET & PROMOTE THEMSELVES. SELL CD'S OUT THE TRUNK OF THEIR CARS. THEY WILL NEVER REAP THE BENEFITS OF THERE LABOR. FUCK JIMMY IOVINE,CLIVE DAVIS,TOMMY MATOLLA,& THE REST OF THE COCKSUCKERS WHO HAVE EXPLOITED OUR CULTURE, MADE A PROFIT, & THEN HUNG US OUT TO DRY. & JUST 4 THE RECORD I APPRECIATE ALL KINDS OF MUSIC. I LOVE R&B(D'ANGELO,ERYKAH,JILL SCOTT,BILAL,GNARLS BARKLEY). I FUCK W/ MAROON 5 & AEROSMITH. BLACK PPL JUST NEED 2 EXPAND THEIR MUSICAL HORIZONS. PEACE.
THE KING HAS SPOKEN.
Rhymefest,
One day maybe you all will understand this. I guess you're insinuating that you, Method Man, and certain other people are more "cultured" hip-hop. That's debatable, but one thing is not:
There's an aesthetic difference in the artists that you and other people keep championing and in some case crying tears for on these blogs.
The majority of Black people that listen to rap live outside of the East Coast. Now, you, Common, Little Brother and a few others are not from the East but you get thrown into a category of hip-hop that is definitely in that mold. The obscure samples of producers like RZA, Premier, 9th Wonder etc. are not digestable to most people's ears. Y'all don't seem to be able to see this. That is a different genre of "hip-hop". I actually dig some of that, but most of us come from the tradition of music born from the Blues, Funk and Soul. Drums with bass, melodies, piano chords, synthesizers. This is "music to our ears." Y'all don't seem to understand that the reason your audiences are so "white" is the music (not lyrics) you make. Before you dismiss this, do you like Cameo, Parliament, Earth Wind & Fire, Roger & Zapp, etc? Some of our greatest Black musical innovators of the last 30 years. Who's music nowadays most resembles theirs? Snoop Dogg or Common? Jazze Pha (son of one of the Bar-Kays) or Method Man? Youngbloodz or Little Brother?
My nigga, I feel y'all cause I'm a midwest nigga too and I listen to a wide variety. But having lived in diverse places, y'all have to understand, those sample-driven, boom-bap beats sound like trash to most Black people, and y'all have to stop thinking it's because you're more cultured and more intelligent all the time. It's more to it than that.
Damn Fest, I gotta say I agree and that I have peeped the trend, even as early on as junior high and I'm 25 now. But you saw it back then, I know crazy amounts of cats that didn't fuck with De La, Boot Camp and even Mos & Talib, until their "down-ass" white friend put them on.
I think it first starts with the fact that they are white, but want to embrace and be immersed in the culture of hip-hop, at the same time though their very conscious of the fact that there is some shit that's being said that no matter what the circumsatnces, the "average" white person will not be able to relate , I'm of course speaking about the more "agressive" Hip-Hop that is made by the 50's, the Cam's & the UGK's. So it makes it easier fir them to gravitate towards someone like yourself, where they don't have to say, "I listen to Fest, 'cause he on the gangsta shit", but they'll say "I mess with Fest 'cause dude is lyrical & very clever).
As far as us, I really can't say I have come to any conclusion that makes logical sense. I myself and them type of guy that I'll listen to the radio coming home from work and get fed up, because I need some "Fever", "Daydreamin" or "Idlewild Blues", but what I get is "Hands Up" or "Snap yo Fingers" fifty to 100 times before I even get home form my 25 min drive, but when I want to unwind at the club that's exactly what I want to hear. I don't know, just some thoughts...
Also, we're in trouble regardless, your kids aren't the only ones that aren't too clear on their hip-hop history and it's gettting worse & worse, I gotta friend I work with and he says he has always listened to hip-hop, but when I told him ATCQ was coming to do a show a few weeks ago, dude had absolutely no idea who iwas talking about, and he's only two years younger than me.
"THE MAJORITY OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY LIVE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. THEREFORE, THEY CAN RELATE MORE 2 AN EMCEE WHO IS TALKING ABOUT FLIPPING KI'S 2 COME UP. BECUZ THAT'S ALL THEY SEE ON A DAILY BASIS. IT'S EASIER 4 THEM 2 GRASP THEN COMPLEX METAPHORS & INTELLECTUAL LYRICS."
WTF????? That's a myth homeboy. Look, I'm from Blackville, SC the so-called "hood hood", not the rap hood, and I've see dope, I've seen some crack, but I'm not stupid, and neither are the people that I grew up with. They can't relate to cats moving ki's, because most of the dudes I know ain't movin' nothing close to that. That same mentality is the reason why the people running the music industry feed that garbage to the hood over the airwaves..."Play hustlin' a couple more times for those niggers that's all they know anyway." In the Godfather, one the bosses said, "No drugs, let's leave that to the niggers, they're animals anyway. let em' kill each other." quote maybe off, but it's close. The fact is, we've heard about the hood a million times. Why don't we stop entertaining that shit...let's make music for the kid who came from the hood, but went to college and struggling trying to adjust to that life, or the cat who left his mom's house after graduation, didn't go to college, but got a place, and job, and is strugglin' to hold shit down. These people do exist and they do listen to hip-hop. All I'm saying is rap should expand it's conceptual song bank. Every song shouldn't be geared towards the young black folks in the hood. That's making it seem as if all black people are in the hood, and ultimately makes us look like failures, and very one-dimensional. And yes, if you are in the hood by choice, you are a failure. "Get up, get out, and get something" - Outkast
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My man Rhyme, I so look forward to these blogs man. First of all YOU ARE ALMOST COMPLETELY WRONG about "white folks treasuring rap culture" nigga get the fuck outta here...White people buy only rap music that GETS RADIO SPINS...they only buy POPular rap music...why you think "real" cultured rap music aint sell? You didn't sell (and your album is HOT), Lupe's album is way better than Late Registration (Kanye rapped about 15% of that album) but yet Golddigger's massive national airplay and white-club play drove that album to commercial sucess (have you seen how white people go crazy over that song?), while Kick-Push is barely acceptable anywhere.
White people do not treasure our stuff more than we do...they just buy music thats on the radio a lot...POINT.BLANK.PERIOD
Man, you hit the nail right on the head. I do think that those in the board rooms have a major effect on what happens in hip-hop today.
I think a major problem is that consumers are so fickle. They seem to be fans of albums and not artists. Also, they are fans of genres and not of music as a whole. This tends to make them very closed-minded when it comes to change and differences. White people seem to be more open to listen to "our" music but why won't a majority of us listen to "their" music?
I guess to me it comes down to a greater appreciation of music as a whole. That is why I have such a profound disgust with this regional division in hip-hop. It makes so many people only like music that is inside their box. Stop writing stuff off before even giving it a listen. And when you listen, listen with an open ear and mind. You'll be surprised what you come across.
To Truth 24/7-
I'm sorry, I love Food and Liquor, but better than Late Registration? Fuckouttahere, when people gon' stop sleeping on Ye'??? Kanye may not be as complex as Lupe, but he gets his point across, and he's charasmatic, but I digress...everyone's entitled to there opinion.
@GTOTHEDASH
1ST OFF HOMIE I RESPEK YOUR OPINION. BUT I THINK U MISTOOK WHAT I SAID OUT OF CONTEXT. LOOK NOT BRAGGING BUT I HUSTLED SINCE I WAS WAS 12(1992) TIL DEC.2000 WHEN I WAS INCARCIRATED. & THE ONLY MUSIC THAT I COULD RELATE 2 REFLECTED THE LIFESTYLE THAT I WAS LIVING. NOT SAYING I DIDN'T LISTEN 2 OTHER THINGS BUT A MAJORITY OF IT WAS SONGS ABOUT SLANGING. TRUE STORY. & THAT'S WHAT I FEEL ALOT OF THE KIDS 2DAY WANT 2 HEAR. SONGS ABOUT TRAPPIN' BECUZ THEY R FIXATED W/ THAT LIFESTYLE. INSTEAD OF BROADENING THEIR MUSICAL TASTES THEY GO 4 WHAT APPEALS TO THEM & ARTISTS THEY WANT 2 B LIKE. LUCKILY 4 ME I CAME UP N THE 90S SO I WAS EXPOSED 2 ALL KINDS OF HIPHOP. THE PROBLEM W/ HIPHOP 2DAY IS THAT IT'S ALL(ATLEAST THE 1'S THAT R BEIN MARKETED) R REVOLVING AROUND THE SAME NEGATIVE TOPICS. PEACE.
THE KING HAS SPOKEN.
80% of Hip-Hop is purchased by White males yet urban approval seems to drive the mass media, which then drives that 80% to the store to purchase the product.
The above comment makes complete sense. Hip Hop needs urban approval as a gauge of legitimacy, when someone from New York says that Jay Z or Fifty has street cred you believe it. Because they’re from that environment. Now those 80% of white males from the suburbs can buy the cd and imagine what life is like in Brooklyn ducking gun shots.. just like a movie.. but they believe it because the hood gave its stamp of approval.
Now this doesn't mean that the subject matter can alienate them. There has to be a bond or common belief, whether its to 'fight the powers that be', to 'two step in the club', sip your 'gin n juice', 'walk with Jesus', or even a song about 'gold diggers'. So your question 'Why do White folks treasure rap music that deals with our cultural and developmental growth more than we do? I don't think they do. I think they're just the majority. I still believe that something has to catch their attention first.
Some topics for the hood only alienate those white males... it's easy for Jay Z and 50 Cent to introduce those hood tales after that white male has already bought the album based on 'big pimpin' and other easy to swallow singles.
So you have to catch people. The easiest and most overused way is sex and violence. But there are other ways. When you catch people then you have to connect to them. It's like watching a Tyler Perry movie. If you've ever seen one you'd be tempted to sell it for all of its glory. A movie that will change your life, strengthen your faith, & bring families together because it’s all of those things. But do they sell it as that? No. Instead they sell it as a slapstick comedy where the writer cross-dresses and plays double roles while leaving you in stitches. Why do they sell it as that? Because that’s what gets peoples attention. Number one rule in marketing never sell the entire package... just sell the next action or event. Once you've got their attention now you can show them all you have to offer.
The majority of people just aren't that deep... they prefer simplicity and easy to swallow subjects. Its the reason why my blogs titled 'My Race with the Cops' gets way more views than my blogs 'titled - 'Broken Homes - The Vicious Cycle' or blogs on racial equality. Its just the way it is.. people like fluff. The majority that is. Its the reason why this blog has 8 comments while blogs about Diddy or DMX's dirty baby mama blogs have over 300.
Its funny that you speak on a 'white mans revolution' because a few days ago I wrote an entry in my blog entitled 'Catering to Urban Youth' where I speak on big name corporations marketing to the hip hop generation. The views are parallel and both true. You can read about it at the link below.
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=13473624&blogID=178967437&MyToken=ffd31eb8-51f3-4bd7-bf6a-777e26b35e3d
Check it out.
-Sam C.
@GTOTHEDASH
4GOT 2 MENTION. I DID LIKE OUTKAST SAID "GET UP GET OUT AND GET SOMETHING". I WENT BACK 2 SCHOOL & GRADUATED. STARTED MY OWN MAINTENCE COMPANY IN NORTH CAROLINA. PUT MY PARTNERS I WAS HUSTLING W/ ON MAKING LEGIT MONEY. CAKED UP & MOVED 2 DC. I STILL RUN THE COMPANY TIL THIS DAY. & ALL I DO I GET CONTRACTS W/ BUSINESS & SIGN MY JOHN HANCOCK ON MY EMPLOYEES CHECKS. I PLAN ON ENROLLING BACK N COLLEGE 2 GET MY HISTORY DEGREE & TEACH AFRICAN-AMERICAN HISTORY AT THE UNIVERSITY LEVEL. PEACE.
THE KING HAS SPOKEN.
I think white people buy into hop more as a fad and trend just to be accepted and all that. With black people its more like when your born into somthin and in this case hip hop and all the shit related to hip like old school shit parents use to listen too.
my shit wont sell, what do i do????
BLAME WHITEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well now, I like this topic. I also see that you've included some of the feedback from previous comments to previous blogs, which means you actually are paying attention, which means our words aren't falling on deaf ears...big ups for that.
Now when it comes to the subject, it's pretty much the same issue that was addressed in the last topic: why do we destroy our own? I wouldn't call it a cultural invasion, because like the previous comments read, "our music is not just for our black people, but open for everyone." I think to the white popularity, our music (when it's real hip hop) is more intriguing than anything. I think they're fascinated with the stories and content, partly because they're interesting, but mainly because this is a lifestyle that MOST (not all) of them will ever know. Back in the old days of Rome, you could go to the Collesium and watch public executions, and it was the most entertaining shit in the world to them because they didn't have to participate in the violence...same same. In the movie "Be Cool," you'll hear Cedric the Entertainer say that we as black people have influenced every facet of what it is to be "cool." It's very true, so in music, it's no different. More white people will listen to "black music" that vice versa. So when they hear the "Chain Hang Lows" and "Fried Chicken Song" (which I think is utterly ridiculous and equally disgusting), they see that it's retarded and probably wonder why we embrace this shit. The thing about us black folks, we're not used to having money by the truck loads, most of us don't come from wealthy families with decades of what I like to call "old money." So what's the first thing we do when we get it? Flaunt it! I'm not downing anyone because I'm guilty of it too. Even you yourself "don't want it unless it's Brand New." Okay that was a low blow but you see what I'm saying? To somebody that's used to eating and living good, not having to worry about his next meal, listening to rappers talk about how much money they have is not interesting at all. They're more into the abstract styles of hip hop, innovative artist such as Wu, DOOM, Immortal Tech, and even you yourself. I can't figure out why more black people aren't. I don't understand how we can embrace artist who talk about their money, cars, jewelry...when we, the fans, are the people making them rich by buying their music! How can that be appealing to me or anyone else? Yet we can trash the artists that tried to be different and trailblazed somewhere other than mainstream. Let's stop the nonsense. That was a great ending quote Fest, allow me to remix it: We can't grow until we heal ourselves. We can't heal ourselves until we realize we're wounded.
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I agree with truth 24/7 Except for food and liquor being better than late registration
Fest you keep amazing me all the time. This right here is some deep as shit and most simple minded MF won't get it. This is the truest fact to smack the shit out of people in the face. You are right on so many levels on this. Holla at ya boy when you back in the city.
Massive
students of history know that things run in cycles. history repeats itself. i've been saying to a lot of friends of mine that it seems like black people are less inclined to do the things now that slaves couldn't even do. hip hop is maturing and facing the same issues now that every other sector of black life faces. i am not going to generalize, but disrespect of elders is across the board. i said in last weeks blog that its happening in all sectors (church, academia, civil rights, music) a conditioning has occurred and it has led some to believe that the world immediately around them is the only world that exists. hip hop is going the same road as jazz. check the history. for so long some hip hop artist put the dollar above integrity and you reap what you sow. i don't think white people treasure the music more. i think that they just enjoy it as they have enjoyed all the creative accomplishments of black people. check the history from vaudeville to hip hop and even before that. we can no longer afford to look at ourselves as black people. we need to start identifing ourselves as human beings that have so much to offer this planet. a narrow view of life has people wanting to retire 30 year old rappers, hip hop can only have one voice and things that don't make sense. check out langston hughes' "negro artist and the racial mountain" funny how it still rings true. for about the past 15 years a lot of hip hop has had negative energy and its just coming full circle.
Hip Hop...which is the operative? the "hip" or the "hop"? Hip implies youth and frivolity, hop implies swagger and cool...Hip hop in itself is ageless, but the name implies otherwise...its for the young....PURE SPECULATION....However lets get back to the issue...we need to come to terms with the fact that every EVERY musical genre has a lifespan...doo-wop, the blues, polka whatever....they all end....only the enthusiasts keep it alive...even R&B is on life support right now....Rap is nearing its demise and that is the REAL reason that we are having this blog...
Lifespans, people, lifespans...nothing can cheat death....evolve or die...rock and roll had to evolve....metallica will never go platinum again if they play thier 90s shit.....Unfortunately for hip hop our current music sounds dated and archaic like it was made in some past decade...ONLY WE CAN SAVE HIP HOP ...support our artists....ARTISTS in return for our financial support (ie ..buying your records)...dont rub it in our faces how rich WE made you...rapping about your riches in every song...NIGGA my nine dollars made you rich
Yessssss, ok look see:
The white market is what runs the music community. The blacks is gonna like it when the whites is out buying it and "Biggin'" it up. The Outkast's of today getting spins, but don't get love in the sales because the Blacks aren't supporting them any more (I guess too much "Walk it Out" is in the air....) Jay-Z retired because he seen this coming and didn't want to be seen by the rap/hip-hop community as having "fell off".....which in turn established a buzz for him to come back with "Kingdom Come". There are many reasons that attribute to artists not gaining the respect they deserve. The Black/White thing is only part of the problem. Some artists are making monotonous records, some are making records that have escaped the attention span of their fans, some have failed to reinvent themselves so that they can reach a newer generation while continuing to keep their original fan base. Now a lot of artists are not selling because these "dumb", club anthem, Black community/hood jams that artists is putting out is only good for a download. No bullshit.....do you think I'ma run out and by Webstar's album???? FUCK NO!!!!! Do I look like I'm bumping Jibbs in the truck???? FUCK NO!!!!! But I bet I know 10 lil kids who got out of school yesterday and rushed home to download it. The whole crusade against Napster was bogus for this reason. Napster was doing just what we doing now.....supposedly they was killing hip-hop. Naw them cats just made it possible for people to distinguish between a song that's worth buying an album over and a song that's only worth a download and burn to a CD. Hip-hop right now is so sickening.....Nobody has a grasp on what the fuck is art no more. At least, Whites have a taste for different things. They liking they music, our music, his music, your shit, all that. Besides that, I don't really care too much about the Blacks buying the hip-hop because that's like saying I want this illiterate ass kid right over there who dont wanna read to buy my new book for $12.95.
Still looking forward to starting that revolution.........
One Hunnit
2 keep plain and simple hip-hop albums are movie sountracks to our culture we live and breath it so it not that serious to us to by the album. If i dont by the album 9 times out of ten we get the boot leg first or one of our family members or friend has a copy either way we decide whats goes on in hip-hop maybe not dollars wise be we sure do influence the world.we need to figure out way to captalize on our culture.
Yall all have some good points, but I think people are misinterpreting an important aspect of this whole hip hop game. I am a 26 year old white boy who grew up in DC, during the crack, murder cap, and Marion Barry years, surrounded by quote unquote real hood niccas, but also surrounded by numerous upper middle class sons and daughters of politicians and power players (in the business sense). It was always interesting to see the way these groups would interact with each other and I for one, being damn good at basketball, always felt like I had the luxury of fitting in especially well with both groups (or should I say races). The thing I noticed over and over was that due to "black" culture being dominant in my area, many many white kids, out of fear of nonacceptance, felt like they had to act "black" to fit in. Even I had feelings like that at some points. But me being a strong personality, and fairly smart, I quickly realized that the less hard you "try" (as well as the more actual similar qualities you possess aka being good at ball, actually knowing how to roll a bob, etc) the more accepted you ended up being. The kids who were literally "wiggers" were the ones who tried too hard to fit in and ended up getting joaned on the most, even by "accepted" white kids like myself, who, at the end of the day, in many ways, was also just a white kid "acting black."
Here's where I'm going with this. A typical characteristic of any youth culture is to emulate the dominant and more importantly DIFFERENT people in that culture. Blending in by standing out, if you understand what Im saying. It goes without saying that being smart and good at school has never been cool, but having a dont give a fuck attitude, being good a sports, having a way with women, and dressing well always was (look at the Fonz). Most black kids I knew, except the really poor ones, were in many ways, all of the above. Talking back to teachers, fresh kicks and matching gear, running the bball, track, or football teams, and no fear of walking up and asking "ey girl, can I hollar?" basically were like every geeky or even not so geeky white kids dream. And in the course of emulating these "different but dominant" individuals, the music came too. I personally grew up with my white mom, who happens to be a music freak, so I had Al Green, Barry White, U2, Sting, and lots of other eclectic shit playing at home, and my boys on the team first showed me ATCQ, KRS, Nas, etc and with me it just took off. "To me a beat be talking, guitar say shit, I just keep on walking," hits the nail on the head. I dont think anybody except your hardcore alternative rock heads can deny that regardless how much of a music fan you are, a tight beat is a tight beat, so it basically goes without saying that for those white kids who were already trying to emulate "black culture," that the music was going to become popular too. Now over time, Hip Hop has become Hip Pop, and every single white surburban kid who may never even met a black person in real life can get up close and personal glimpses into hiphop/ghetto/hood life. MTV, BET, Movies, DVDs, and Websites like this all present a certain picture and have done so over the last ten years or so.
AND HERES MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, RHYMEFEST--
Instead of just being a group of wiggers, the white hip hop listener has evolved over that time into subgroups. You still have your classic "wigger," but you also have white kids who really like the actual music, but feel disenfranchised by the whole wigger movement. To them its like undercover emulation. They are in some ways "standard wiggers," just following to be accepted, but at the same time want to stand out from that ever larger crowd. Many in fact, do truly appreciate positive hip hop, but I think that your as well as Common's lack of record sales prove that most white purchasers still just want what they think the hood put its stamp of approval on, cause in the end, most simply do not have that true connection with or understanding of what it means to be black growing up or living in America. And since the industry is an industry, run by white guys who really dont know what it means to be black in America, they just keep producing and marketing the assembly line easy to swallow Hip Pop that even Kanye's socalled conscious ass embraced when he made Gold "come on white folks, the only chance you have to say nigga without getting knocked out" Digger.
There is also no changing it, if money is to be made someone is gonna market it, so instead of blaming the tobacco company, blame the smokers, instead of blaming the dumb white kids buying that shit, blame the dumb black rappers like Tibbs who truly are putting on a Minstrel Show.
SORRY FOR MY LONG WINDED AND SOMEWHAT JUMBLED REPLY, HIP HOP HAS BEEN MY PASSION FOR AROUND 15 YEARS NOW AND I COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT IT, BE IT THE CULTURAL IMPLICATIONS, THE MUSIC, THE ART FORM, OR JUST SPENDING HOURS IN A CYPHA SPITTIN OFF THE TOP OF MY DOME.
Mr. Rhymefest you do have a valid point. We as black people need to support our music & culture. Stop buying these damn bootlegs..we need to stop letting these corporations rape the culture. This beef needs to stop..all rappers & hip-hop artist need to unionize against these corporations.It's the old divide and conquer trick that we have fell a victim to too many times.
CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP...AIR FORCE ONES...GRILLS....PNUT BUTTER NSIDE OUT JELLY...........thats why fuckin rap is garbage. SLAVE ASS "HOOD" NIGGA RAP..."CHAIN HANG LOW".......tha hood claims , kanye is wack, pharrell is wack, lupe is wack, rhymefest is wack....they are the only nigs saying somethin in their music. everyone else is on some bullshit. IF THE "HOOD" DONT LIKE A LARGE PORTION OF THE MUSIC THAT IS ARTICULATE AND SAYS STUFF AND WHITE PEOPLE BUY THAT SHIT...what does that say?
who really has the longevity here? look at all these wack off brand hood nigs to come out where are they...yung joke, jeezy, young gunz, all those young niggz from atl...rick ross aint gonna be no where, wheres trillville, shit where is youngbloodz? htown fell off, they get their radio play then what?
Damn!!!!! Rhymefest, I appreciate this so much. You really know how to get to the heart of the matter. Thank you for bringing up these issues. You make a girl want to sit down and write an essay. I cant even respond until I read all these long posts and think about some shit. Thank you for making niggas think.
Hahahaha!!!!! I am cracking up. Stan, that was too funny, though. My bad Rhymefest!
Those same kids going to them concerts probably have shares of stock in the corporations as well. They understand the business. Jerry Heller owned NWA. Russell gave up his share in Def Jam to Lyor- who in turn broke bread with Irv, Jay and Dame. Lyor's money is way longer than Jay and Dame but Jay's flaunting causes a disconnect with the hood that he's from and the people that resemble him. Doing a video in Marcy doesn't erase the fact that he comes back to do a video in Monaco with Dale Earnhart Jr. How many kids in Marcy Projects watch Nascar? Jimmy Iovine runs Dre, Em, and 50 but 50's bragging will have you think he's the godfather...he hasn't built a solid foundation for himself thus far. The bottomline is, new money within the urban community causes animosity and jealous and hatred. that is evident in so called "beefs". Hip-hop at its core was a balance between party and news - genuine tales. Hip Hop in its present state is entertainment no different from WWE (with the same audience). Hip Hop is dead. Instead of rappers getting mad, they need to take responsibility and take ownership and leadership. Nas, Jay and Puff are talking, but I want to see what actions will occur. Instead of cats all owning these half-ass tax write-off labels...they could combine resources and minds and develop strategies. If Sony/BMG can do it, AOL/Time Warner, Vivendi/Universal....why not Roc-a-fella/Bad Boy?
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The counter-arguments to what Rhymefest says, however, are Young Jeezy and Rick Ross. At the risk of offending fans of either of these two, I haven't heard anything from either that I consider more than standard Gangsta/Thug/D-Boy stuff. In fact, I honestly think Young Jeezy was trying his darnedest to mess up "Grew Up To Screw Up" off of Ludacris' album with his utter and total abandonment of anything considered "rhyming".
I think this subject is too complex to attribute to only one thing. Artists like the ones I mentioned appeal strongly to a particular group that will eat them up voraciously. That's not to say that 'Fest is wrong about those he's mentioned, but that there is more than one factor going on.
Current hip-hop is popular with teenage white males now for the same reason punk was popular in the 70's; it is anti-establishment, shocking and runs contrary to what their parents view as solid role models. This demographic also has a relatively large amount of disposible income to spend on hobby purchases.
Every 'hood story CD brought into their parents home is a mini-rebellion for them; their love and appreciation is secondary to the fact that mom is afraid of anyone with a darker complection than Oprah.
The same motivation is not present in the black community; you can't rebel against pops by listening to 50 cent when he came up with NWA.
Most of the 15-19 age group will hang up their G-Unit hoodie for good when they reach college and realize that they can hook more ladies with a Coldplay album than the newest Tony Yayo joint.
The shiniest, newest, youngest, "hood-est" will always pull new listeners in the white community, even if they can't hold their interest past their teenage years. It is the true heads that recognize and appreciate the art and culture of hip-hop that will sustain the rap genre.
when you look at the type of rap music that these white consumers are buying the bulk of it depicts blacks in a negative way, with the exception of a few artists. negativity and ignorance know no color so this thinking becomes inbedded in the white listener. the difference is the kid in the subburbs doesn't have to face the same reality as a kid in the hood. for example a song like 50 cents "heat" is a reality in the ghetto, but in the subburbs it gives a kid a chance to fantasize about something that should never be glorified. the fact of the matter is that the white consumer can stop listening to hip-hop and go back to being white. this was the same thing wiyh the civil rights movement. what happened to all the white people that were lobbying for civil rights. as soon as it wasn't cool anymore they washed their hands of it. alot of artist survive off of the money white america spends on their product, but at what cost? our music these days is laced with "willie lynchism" if we start making music that promotes positivity in our people instead of pitting one against another or glamorizing ignorance white america will lose interest. Honestly do you think that the parents of a white kid in the subburbs would rather let their child listen to songs about niggas killing niggas or black people uniting and fighting for whats right.
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I think the poin that has been missed here is that it a society issue not a black white issue. Look at the most popular movies, all violent, video games, violent, tv shows violent. Today Criminals, or wanna be criminals are idolized, Sopranos comes ot mind, So the fact that rap sells to young teen whites, isn't surprising, they see something that is rebelling against the norm. Most kids feel disconected from their parents, 9-5 who does that appeal too? but they don't have any other way out, so they jump on the gangsta bandwagon, some grow up, educate themselves and start to change in a more positvie way and some don/t. We are so flooded with these images that we think it is the norm know, blacks are all evil, drug dealers are cool rebels, women are whores, and whitey is the devil. Why do you start to love a song that you hated after hearing the 10th time on the radio in an hour? b/c that is what the record compines want.....
Rhymfest although I think your ideas are noble, you come across very self rightoues, Kanye is an arrogant prick, that doesn't make any songs even comparable to public enmey making a song about the diamond trade while wearing diamonds isn't showing the black mans conflict its called being a hypocrit! Please look up the word humble, and teach it to you and kanye wil you,
I think its more so alot of young black people want to dance and have fun nowadays and not listen to the ills of the street like they did in the 90's. Its not that the music isn't there we have rap music coming from all spectrums of the globe. Its the labels and djs who dictate the radio and conform the listeners to whats hot and not. As big as hip hop is is a business, but its also a culture and as a rapper its your job to entertain. But I think you need to dig a lil deep and ask questions like "Why don't rappers have health benefits included in their contracts? Why don't record companies make rappers take HIV and AIDS tests randomly they know they sleep with random women from city to city and I'm pretty sure some of them and having sex unprotected, and when the rapper is long gone the woman that he could have infected goes back and infects her community. Hip Hop is soo powerful man we could really be doing something bigger than what we are doing but I think its much more deeper than that. I think the government might even have there hands tapped in it. I mean we can do soo much to push black people foward but all we do is set us back. I'm disgusted I don't even listen to current rap music because its pathetic nowadays. Keep doing what you do Rhymefest to elevate the culture, because the truth always comes to light my brother.
We'll I guess I'll be one of the few white people to post of this. First of Rhyme, let me start off by sayin' your album is the one of the best, slept albums of the year and your album alone proves you don't need sales for good music...now, anyway. There are two kinds of white people who listen to rap music. The ones who mimick the "thug-life" and buy whatever the hell is out on MTV, BET, radio, ect....and there is the who actually listens to the message and whatnot. Now I've never been a fan of radio, never have and I never will be so I guess you could say I'm an "outcast" when it comes to rap music due to the fact the people I hang around love 50, Lil Wayne, BG, the whole south BS, ect, ect...and it usually comes down to that I like "white people rap" just for liking Rakim, Kool G Rap, Canibus, Wu-Tang, J Live, ect, ect...anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that all white people don't like 50, Game, and everybody else out there who is "pop-rap". oh well, the world is still going to be full of sterotypes so this post doesn't matter anyway.
We'll I guess I'll be one of the few white people to post of this. First of Rhyme, let me start off by sayin' your album is the one of the best, slept albums of the year and your album alone proves you don't need sales for good music...now, anyway. There are two kinds of white people who listen to rap music. The ones who mimick the "thug-life" and buy whatever the hell is out on MTV, BET, radio, ect....and there is the who actually listens to the message and whatnot. Now I've never been a fan of radio, never have and I never will be so I guess you could say I'm an "outcast" when it comes to rap music due to the fact the people I hang around love 50, Lil Wayne, BG, the whole south BS, ect, ect...and it usually comes down to that I like "white people rap" just for liking Rakim, Kool G Rap, Canibus, Wu-Tang, J Live, ect, ect...anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that all white people don't like 50, Game, and everybody else out there who is "pop-rap". oh well, the world is still going to be full of sterotypes so this post doesn't matter anyway.
im white and im tured off by this hole thing , you say white this and white that ,if you make good music and no how to promote you will sell, im tired of these rappers saying ohh the fbi is watching them and only white fans buy their albums,as soon as they dont sell and this and that its bull shyt yo rhyme fest you just lost props over here smh..and also you talk about all this slave stuff while you were never a slave your great great grand parents were,if my grand father had his leg cut off does that mean i hav to have people fell sorry for me as if it was my own leg was cutt?? no what im saying. stop complating cause in 2006 any black person can make it , blacks are in goverments,they own stores,they are mayors, they own sport teams, their in music blacks are every were just as any colar,mabe 40 or 60 years ago it wasent like that,but let the people who went threw the troble speak up not you rhyme fest cause you were never a slave,blacks are doing all this complaing talking about slaves but if you look it up the romans were the first slaves and they were white, and look at the jews the jews are white and millions and millions of them were thrown in fires and killed in germany in the 40s they dident even get a chance to be a slave,every colar went threw slavery weather if it was 400 hundred years aho or a thousand years ago.its funny how rappers say how their familys were in slaves but them start a clothing line with little asain 9 year old girls makeing the clothes being used as slaves. i dont have a problem with no body thats a difrent colar them me but i do have a problem with people complaining about things that never happend to them,so rhyme fest stop blameing things that never happend to you just cause your album sold double air im out .....hold your heads to the people that are going threw real problems
This is a very layered conversation. There's no one answer to the way things seem to be. I have to agree that whites do appear to have a better ear for REAL hip-hop. Why? Because they don't live the life. To most of your suburbian white kids, good hip hop (i.e., Kanye West, Jigga, Game) is a genre of good stories put to music. It's tells the world of what really goes on inside the minds of the blacks in America; it gives them a glimpse into our fascinating reality. That's what sells, realism and truth over everything (with a club joint or two to really move units). White kids don't carry the stress of the black reality and therefore find the music to be better without the snappin' and grills.
Cause we need to do a better Job of raising our kids.
Our values are all fk'd up with our younger generation from the hood. In other blogs you find our younger generation attention is no longer on the actual music. Everything is justified by payola. White america gravitates away from the keep it hood music the same way they do all black movies, Cause they can't relate to it. Bumping some of the more street artist would make them whiggers and wannabe's. The artist they like are the ones that are just being themself and doing their own thing. Once a artist takes their music back to the streets. They alienate the white audience and well as we all know not many people in the hood are going to spend an extra ten bucks on a album when they can get almost the same quality for 5 dollars. I mean how many bottleggers selling Cd's do you see in the curb in the burbs. I can't blame an artist no for switching up for sales.
At the same time with the price of gas, how many of my people struggle with poverty and bills. This fk'd economy and corp copies out sourcing jobs overseas how madd can you be at your own people for saving 10 bucks on a CD.
But that doesn't really apply to the younger generation,
Somewhere between 95 and 2000. This stopped being about the Culture and the Artform and started becoming a Game , A hustle something to do to make you look cool.
the attention ain't on the lyrics anymore. Its on what you own
how popular you are, how many records you sold a bunch of irrelevant bull.
Its a reflection of the values that are instilled in them. The quality of the schooling. Because a mind that likes to think a mind that like to be challenged wouldn't say this sht. These are the minds that spend more time on Myspace and playing video games than doing their homework. This ain't the mid 90's where most of the Emcees actually did a couple yrs in college. So they had something relevant to say.
Where actually regressing to keep up with the demands of immature kids that do most of the voting online that decides who makes up the top 10 music list. Its either the bubble gum crap for the teenie boppers or the over the top gangsta ish that for the kids on the block. Rappers get lost in it thinking thats whats popular cause thats whats on the count down. The music is being dumbed down to satisfy teenagers. The industry is clueless so their following the lead. And we get more bubble gum artist. Meanwhile adults and mature minds get lost in the shuffle cause they don't wanna that watered down crap and they've out grown alot of that gangsta ish.
So the artist with the right promotion and the house hold names that are doing they own thing that don't follow the leader and have the right exposure and promotion are the ones treading water.
We need to have less of these top ten count downs every damn day.
i disagree, their are white kids that are in the hood and grew up very poor like the italian kids in new york,and the list gos on, their are white kids that had a hard time growing up same way as blacks blacks arent the only colar that had a hard time or live in the streets, and if you go to boston their are poor ghetto white irish kids that will jack you that live in the ghetto,so dont say white kids never grew up in the hood cause thats crazy.im white and i grew up in the hood poor as hell i just got my lab top it took me 8 months to save up for it ive been in the streets and lived the life.and most of my freinds are black , and i also chill with some ghetto ass white kids too. what im trying to say is their are ghetto white kids that grew up in the streets you would have to be stupid to no no that,now yea their are more blacks in the ghetto than whites,but the fact is their are whites in the ghetto maybe not as much as blacks but their are in large numbers but rite now im in school trying to get the fuc outta here ..
For everyone out there suffering, go out and read:
"The End of Suffering: Fearless Living in Troubled Times" by Russel Targ and J.J. Hurtak. PEACE
ITS IRONIC IM READING THIS BLOG TODAY,JUST LAST NIGHT I SAW THE LEGENDARY BLASTMASTER K.R.S ONE IN NEW YORK IT WAS INCREDIBLE-HISTORY IN THE MAKING,IT WAS A PARTY FOR KANGOL-ALL WHITE-WHICH WAS COOL THE VIBE WAS LOUNGE TYPE-ANYWAYS WHEN KRS WAS ROCKING I REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT REAL HIP HOP AS OPPOSED TO THE SHIT THAT HAS US "HYPTNOTIZED" THESE DAYS , IT SPEAKS TO THE SOUL OF TYHE LISTENER IN WAYS NO MUSIC DOES TODAY, I DONT CARE IF YOUR BLACK WHITE BLUE OR GREEN, IT DONT MATTER REAL RECOGNIZES REAL - IM SORRY TO SAY BUT THIS FASCADE WE ARE LIVING AND PROMOTING IS NOT REAL ENUFF TO GARNER 10 MILLION FANS ACROSS THE WORLD, SOME ARTIST HAVE CRAFTED THE "IMAGE" OF THEMSELVES WHICH SELLS MORE THAN THEIR MUSIC , BUT ONLY REAL MC'S WHO TALK ABOUT "REAL" ISSUES WILL WIN THIS RAT RACE WE'RE IN. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTERNET PIRACY AND BOOTLEGS, U CAN STILL SURVIVE AND MAKE YOUR NUMBERS , PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT YOU IF YOUR BEING TRUE TO YOURSELF , BUT FOR THE INDUSTRY WHORES THE MODEREN DAY SAMBOS RUNNIN AROUND BUCK DANCING AND SPITTIN SILLY SHIT YOU'LL NEVER MAKE IT!! REASONS WHY KAYNE, LUPE ,MOS DEF, OUTKAST 2PAC REASONATE WITH THE WHITE AUDIENCE IS BCUZ THEY ARE SIGNS OF INTELLIGENCE IN A WORLD THATS BECOMING MORE CONSCIOUS DAILY,ONCE AGAIN THE COLOR BARRIER IS BROKEN BCUZ ALL COLORS APPRECIATE THE MUSIC-IF IM TOURING EUROPE I EXPECT TO SEE SOME DAMN EUROPEANS THE SAME GOES FOR AFRICA I WANNA SEE SOME AFRICANS!! ITS ABOUT CONSCIIOUSNESS AND THATS NOT A COLOR ISSUE ITS ABOUT CREATIVITY AND THATS NOT A COLOR ISSUE-ALL RACES APPRECIATES AN ARTIST WHO CAN MAKE A VIDEO LOOK INTERESTING YA DIG?? EVEN YOU RYHMEFEST YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILTY TO SHOWCASE YOUR SKILLS AND UPBRINGING IN A BETTER FASHION, THAT VIDEO CHASING CHICKS IS NOT YOUR STRONG POINT MAKE A VIDEO SPITTIN SOME REAL SHIT AND MAYBE U WONT BE SLEPT ON LIKE SOFAS-BRING THE CONSCIOUSNESS BACK TO EVERYDAY LIFE THESE SONGS AND ARTISTS ARE JUST EVTERTAINMENT
Wel to understand why white americans embrace Hip-Hop way more than we blacks is, well it started in the black culture. White people are very curious human beings, they want to know how the world turns to knowing the customs of every culture. When has being in the "ghetto" became a positive thing. When has being "street" beccome the thing to reach for. Ghetto is a term that was used in Jewish neighborhoods that were slum and malnourished way before black people were stamped with that label. Or more with the days of our ancestor's slavery times. During the slave times, there were Massa gatherings as well with the slaves they bring. All the Massas in areas around the south would make their slaves compete to see whom was the best massa. Slaves literary fight, disrespect, kill, rape each other to impress their massa. Same thing that is going on in modern day america. Nothing has really changed, we are free, TO AN EXTENT. We allow ourselves be entrenched in the streets and the hood and not exploring around the world and finding out what's out there for us instead, we want to keep it real and stay in the hood. That is one reason why we are not cultured, we want to stay in one place, one familiar area of interest instead of going outside the box. What is wrong trying to understand country music, actually I believe rap and country have similar issues and stories, just interpeted in different wavelenghts. What is wrong wearing something different outside our culture??? NOTHING.. Nowadays, everyone wants to be a gangsta rappers, a singer, model, dancer, actor, actress, etc. or some music mogul. The problem is that most of these aspiring people do not have the discipline to comprehend all these occupations, because they see people on TV do it, so they think, HEY IF HE?SHE CAN DO IT SO CAN I..
WRONG...AGAIN CHARLIE..
not everyone is cut out to fufill all these occupations. What happen to Doctors, Lawyers, Chemist, Judges, Police Officers, Firemen. I know these occupations do not pay very well, but if you work hard at it, it will pay out. But I see why niggas want to be rappers and niggaetts want to be video hoes. The money, you know the truth, there isn't any real money in the rap game. If you are not going 2X platinum or not in all the rappers video's, you are making minimun wage. All that jewelry, rims, cars and spit is smoking mirrors, It's not real, just rented out. We should explore more other cultures and not thing if I go to this culture, then I'm a sell-out. Do not allow niggers to let you think otherwise. The hood does not love you, I learned that the hard way...
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black people still run hip hop. white people only buy what black people think is cool. black people ain't feelin backpack rap so white people ain't feelin backpack rap. white folks still love the urban image, white folks hustle, white folks are gangsta. look how rappers name themselves after white italian gangstas gotti, siegel, etc. New Yorks whole swagger comes from these white italian gangstas. boston george was a pioneer in the game as we know it.
I am white, and yeah I don't know what it's like to live in extreme poverty or anything like that, but I have listened to hip-hop for years I'm 22 and my first cd was the chronic, second, black sunday by Cypris Hill....I really think that hip-hop has gone down hill since the bling bling era came around, yeah master P was fun, but he wasn't important, now alot of emcees arn't respected because they don't talk about being rich and shit, it's not about that, it's about loving music and your community, you don't need to have a nice car to reach your audiance, while if you want to go mult you have to..and that shit is weak, I believe that you don't have to stoop to that shit, just be real and people will listen while you might get more 12 year old white girls who could be my sister listening, you don't have who you NEED to be listening, black people could easily run this country if they stood together, so stand tall and claim whats yours, you worked the land you put in the tears, so take that shit....you have support bring the revolution on...it won't be televised..but it will go down as a history changing event
I think Rhymefest missed an important point. Music in black culture has always been a refuge for black people from their continuous struggle in the world. Unfortunately many of us are still living in poverty and still struggle with many of the issues that come with being black. So when it comes time to search for some entertainment rather then wallow in the grief we'd rather take a break from it all and just enjoy ourselves, no matter how empty or shallow that form of release maybe.
When I wanna watch a serious film my friends who work at crappy jobs are always like I wanna see something funny or action packed life is hard enough without taking on someone else's drama.
White's on average typically live a more comfortable life style then your average person so they have the leisure of thinking more seriously about things and have the emotional wherewithall to handle the drama that comes with listening to a more serious and artistic form of music.
Just look aat studies that are done when societies are at war. Whenever americans are at war movies and shows about fantasy and superheroes tend to be more successful because people are looking for an escape from the terror of everyday life. Thats why since 9/11 we've had the whole superhero movie craze and lord of the rings, harry potter trilogies.
I do notice a lot more white people feelin that real hiphop around my way. For instance I went to see Dead Prez and most of the crowd was white. Still there are much more people in general listening to the shit on the radio. The industry is controlling the direction mainstream hiphop goes. Unfortunatley most cats follow trends and only listen to whats hot at the time. It's a shame most people aren't hearing whats out there and what hiphop really is.
I hate to bust some of ya'll oh so enlightened niggas bubble but the shit that Rhymefest is saying is old news, and somewhat irrelevant. But whatever at least some of yall is hearing it for the first time.
But RHYMEFEST why dont you spit on the trash on the radio that got the ghetto brainwashed? Untill then I cant fuck with this blog.
I THink...
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Why the fuck does everyone feel the need to say n****? Yall cats on here are true ignorant fucks. We are the only race of people who takes pride in degrading ourselves!! STFU!!! You don't hear Mexicans going "What up s***" or Whites saying "What up h***** or k******"!!! Black folks are the most hypocritical race!! Now let someone of a different ethnicity come up to you and say "What up n****" and yall be the 1st ones to bitch up and knuckle up!!!!!! STOP USING THE DAMN WORD!!!!!!!!
Like Little Brother says " Black folk sayin I'm too intelligent, but the white folk sayin I'm a little too niggerish..." People need to get educated!! Its not about black or white. And for that last comment, anyone can say anything they feel like. Nigga Nigger Spic Beaner Cracker who freakin cares... all this political correct bullshit is what is wrong with America...no one says what is on their mind. Everyone is worried what others will think...all I have to say if your not a racist than say whatever words you feel like...but in some situations you better be ready to run cause there are a lot of ignorant people out there... And that book is a MUST READ!! " IF WE HAVE NO PEACE, IT IS BEACASUE WE HAVE FORGOTTEN WE BELONG TO EACH OTHER." Mother Teresa
For everyone out there suffering, go out and read:
"The End of Suffering: Fearless Living in Troubled Times" by Russel Targ and J.J. Hurtak. PEACE
Word life, we all lost in the sauce if you ask me! It seems like we make intellegent music for ourselves & those a-alikes. Everybody else is just kinda in there own world & at this point I can respect that.
I do feel that white cats vibe with the real hip hop, but don't get it twisted those are the same cats that run out & get that new errr Tuesday. No matter what it is, white cats buy music on a regular. Our ppl try to cop the bootlegg b4 they even hear the official jawn. I think we as a people have gotten more lazy and less supportive of those who have made it. All our ppl in tha ghetto wanna get out, and seeing some get out & some stuck plays tricks on the minds of the remaining. It seems like every blk teen is a rapper, dancer, or some kind of entertainer. We need to expand our talents outside of entertainment.
The world respects our culture, but most of the time it seems like the vast majority of us don't! I'm really just sick of all the shucking & jiving that goes on!
HOTEP
What up Fest,
Honestly, I just miss the old days. I miss the feeling, and memories of sitting in my 500$ hoopty with four of my boys in it, smokin and listenin to ATCQ or De La. Sometimes I wonder if thats all it is, am I just getting more out of touch with youthfulness. I can't even call it sometimes, but I do know that we are in a sad state as a people right now and the music is showing it. You got Rappers out there that openly admit to not having any love for their profession, only the money. Most of them don't even have to admit it cause real, recognize real and I could have told the people that from the jump. You have these grown ass men disenchanting the youth with stories of killing and moving ki's. It use to be "Art imitating life", now its "life imitating art".
I remember listening to my tapes real low on the stereo in the living room so my mother couldn't hear all the cursing and take my tapes away. All the cursing.........Big Daddy Kane, LL Cool J, PE etc......not too much cursing but enough to lose my tapes. Now look at whats in the music nowadays, you can't get through a single song without atleast 15 f-bombs or bitch this, ho that. We as a people have become so shameless, we don't care how we portray ourselves at all. I think as long as white folks say its OK then we go ahead and act an ass. They just sit back and laugh at us while we make fools out of ourselves while being broadcasted to millions of people throughout the world. I'm not trying to get off subject or anything because I think my statement is totally relavent. When these rappers get on the idiot box they become the spokesman for our people, thus making them responsible. When ever this is brought to their attention their first argument is "I never said I was a role model". When I hear something like this I feel like popping them in the head on some 3 Stooges type shit.
We really need to get our act together!!!!
I think this is a plain example of letting money and capitalism drive the market. overall Hip Hop as music and fashion go in cycles. It is unfortunante that Ganster/ Danceable Hip Pop is the most profitable source for Hip Hop artists. The Music has moved away from the edutainment, knowledgable/fun factor of the Dancable fun Music that was generated by the Fresh,Epmd's PE's and Big Dady Kanes - Kid an play's from back in the days.
Coporations have been pushing the envelop to forcefeed to legions of young impresionable kids this new form of Hip pop that, is watered down, fantasy fun music,that constantly appeals to the Sub-urban non-white youth fantasy and fascination with Urban culture.
It is unfortunate that this music is chock full of stereotypes and pre-concieved notions that popular cultures lables as urban. The urban tag is a catch phrase for non-white music. This Hip pop service 2 basic purposes; 1. Provides fantasy for those Sub-urban and entertainment for non-black youth.2. The hip hop of today serves as a way to transfer negattive stereotypes to all youths.That's what todays. Hip Pop also serves to market products and services it is ufortunate that the culture that created Hip Hop profits from the music the least financially and socially.
A Qoute from Talib Kweli's "Right About Now" album/mizxtape/street album, whatever.
"The richest man in Hip-Hop/ probably drives a Buick/ And wears Birkenstocks."
How true is that? I agree with Fest entirely because I've asked myself the same questions over and over again at pretty much every hip hop show I've been to.
Honestly, Black music has always been under a microscope by it's Black listeners. At one point their "Too Black" at the next they are "Not Black Enough" The always changes when we over analyze what being "Black" is. (a whole 'nother topic)
The big problem is, Black folks have always alienated, some of the greats in music. Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, Coltrane, Parliment/Funkadelic (Late 60's early 70's) etc. all weren't considered "in" the Black genre.
The music industry is like the stock market in a sense. It gauges the trends and puts a shitload of cash into the trend, cashes out then moves on to the next.
Hip Hop is a global phenom now. Every country outside the U.S wants engaging hip hop and not that watered down B.S. Young Joc spits.
So while Rhymefest, Little Brother Jurasic 5 and too many more quality hiphop artists can go the Greece, Russia, Brazil, Spain, Columbia and Africa to perform to huge crowds that respect the culture, they come back home to get a lackluster reception at home (at best).
Ironically most hip hoppers outside of the U.S ever heard of most of these artists (dont let bet and mtv lie to you) because they have no substance.
We need to really fallback and appreciate the beautiful music/culture we created. Dont think Hip Hop wont end up like Jazz, or Rock (created by Blacks now dominated by whites) because it will.
Number one fuck flav for that ignant ass post.
Number two. That Tubman quote is the Ackem's razor for black folk in America. We live, die and fight for our slave mentality. HipHop is like any other "fringe" culture to the mainstream culture. It is a toy to be used for their amusement. Hip Hop for us in the streets used to be about freedom. It still is in a sense, but it's that middle class bougie negro freedom that cropped up after the civil rights era.
You made an interesting point about why do your kids think Hip Hop started with artists like BIG and Pac. For the same reason that my generation thinks it started with Kurtis Blow, or Afrika Bambatta. Truth be told James Brown was the first popular musician to make what we now know as the break beat. When we talk about hip hop we never talk about our oral traditions from slavery where we spoke in rhyme and verse to remember our history and important events.
We are slaves. You don't believe me, tell your boss fuck you, and live without his rations (pay).
Thesis: In order to fully understand a concept or situation you have to take yourself out of it.
The statement that white people are more cultured than us is straight up stupid, Rhymefest.
I believe that education and not growing up with the problems addressed in these songs, has a lot to with the reason white people buy more lyrical content than black people. These lyrical artists rap about politics and economic struggle in ways that are better understood or accepted by people who are outside of the spectrum, looking in. These artist tackle the problem and some look for solutions. Many of the people living this reality from day to day cant imagine a solution.
In order to understand lyrical content like this you have to place yourself outside of the problems or issues addressed in the songs. This is hard to do when it is your day to day reality. You dont see a difference. You have to know something about current events, stereotypes, and statistics to know how serious the issues are and why you should really feel the way these artists feel.
. The issue is that both races want what the other has. Blacks want money and cars. Whites want struggle and independence.
The reason white people buy the music is because they go to better schools and their parents are more educated. They ARE NOT smarter than us by any means, they are just given better opportunites because their parents have more money. Therefore they are taught the realities of White America in those good ass school and by their over educated parents. They are able to listen to the rap music and understand completely why the rapper feels the way he or she does. They dont know what its like, but they do know how White America contributes to black struggle.
This takes me back to black people.
Black people are not impressed by these artists as much as whites. They live this shit everyday and dont care to feel sad listening to how unfair life is. They may just want to hear something that makes them happy for a few minutes. They may like what we call "simple" music because for three minutes they can feel through the artist what it must be like to have nice things and not have to live pay check to pay check.
White people on the other hand, already have nice things. A song about tight cars does not impress them. They want to feel some type of unfairness and oppression. They want to be discriminated against, be the minority for a change. We as black people tend to think that white people must love to be white and have money, when in reality many of them long to be like us.
Have you ever noticed that when a white person talks about struggle it has to do with drug abuse and alcoholism most of the time. They inflict themselves sometimes just to be able to say " I went through a struggle." Even if they know someone who did, they still want to relate so badly. When their parents divorce and fight, they see that as a struggle. In the black community we are lucky if our parents even marry. White people are jealous of the fact that black people are able to come from the streets and making something out of themselves with no ones help. You may wonder why someone would want to struggle. Well, they just want to feel like they worked for something with out their parents. They take the struggles talked about in the songs and apply them to having to deal with being priveledged.
Being priveledged comes with a set of problems that are not problem to us in the black community. They have those "Dr. Phil" issues. This is why Eminem is perfect for them. Wow, a white guy with issues that seem acceptable to black people. Eminem being the same color as them is their link into another world.
Poverty is the reason black people dont grasp lyrical content the way whites do. When you have money it is easy to sit up and listen to someone talk about struggles as well as social and economic differences. Black people would rather listen to what it must be like to have money.
The problem is that their is only on hip hop. Blacks dont go to the other side and listen to their music. We cant relate to those songs about parents fighting and you taking drugs as a result of it.
Besides all of this, like someone else said, we cant afford concert tickets and CD's all the time. They probably buy more of that because that is what they like and they can afford to buy it.
I wrote a post about age in hip hop too. I dont want anyone to read this and think I am contadicting myself in any way about "simple" lyrics. I just have an out of this world perception and ability to find reason from many points of view.
ANOTHER POINT
I would also like to add that black people are the most independent of any culture in America. We aggressively seperate ourselves from white people and try to survive as much as we can without conforming to them.
If you notice, some other cultures such as Asians find it easier to act white than be who they are. They even go so far as to adopt white stereotypes about black people and cause tension at the 99 cent stores they own, as if they are better than us. Mexicans are willing to take any job from white people, no matter how degrading it is and call themselves harder workers. After 9/11, instead of saying we dont give a fuck what y'all think about us, Indians, or Arabs rode around with American flags on their cars, sucking up to white people when most of them didnt even know who Osama was or how he got here.
When the New Orleans tragedy struck we stood up through Kanye and said "President Bush does not care about black people." Besides the fact that our skin is darker than the rest of these ethnic groups and we look the furthest from white. We have been in America the longest with the exception of Native Americans and we try the hardest not to be like whites.
This attracts them to us even more. We are the leaders in America. The non conformist who refuse to bitch out to please White America like the rest of these groups.
That is why they are on the red carpet at the Oscars calling Camerion Diaz' necklace, "Bling". A word made up by Lil' Wayne that is now in the dictionary. That is why they want fuller lips and think Angelina Joilie is the most beautiful woman in Hollywood. Funny, she is a white girl with black facial features. They are always trying to tan their skin to get it is as dark as possible before it burns. Tony Roma, Chilis and the rest of white America wouldnt even be eating ribs, if we didnt take massa's left overs and hook that shit up. All they do is bite our style, because we dont want to be like them and we sure as hell dont want to look like them.
The music is no different. They want to know why we wont jump on their bandwagon like everyone else. When they find out, like I said up top, they want to feel that indepence that we are so proud of and relate it to themselves. Their people are the majority so they dont know what it feels like to speak for a group of somewhat oppressed people.
They are not more cultured, they have more money.
I also mispelled "privilege" twice in that first post and meant to say a "their is only "one" hip hop in the paragragh 3rd from the bottom.
I AM SORRY I WROTE SO MUCH. DIDNT MEAN TO BORE YOU ALL. JUST HAD TO SAY ALL THAT.
Also, I am not a racist. I am merely trying to make a point.
Rhymefest,
One more thing, I think someone may have already said this but ya'lls beats are whack. I am from the South but I love East Coast lyrical type hip hop. My only problem is ya'll are rapping to fast and saying them big ass words and metaphors at the same time. Slow that shit down so somebody can understand ya'll. Ya'll try to rap to them fast hip hop techno sounding beats. Dont nobody want to hear all that noise all day. Sometimes I gotta turn it off after three songs. Ya'll do yall expect somebody from the hood to understand that shit? The beats have something to do with this. White folks listen to them fast beats in their own music so they are used to it. We aint man!!!! Some niggas need to sit back and think or take surveys about what they are doing wrong before they get mad at everyone else.
Also, that Harriet Tubman quote is whack!!!!! Why Harriet Tubman? That's old as dust!!! People are not slaves just because they wont listen to what you think they should.
ALRIGHT YALL. SORRY. I AM DONE.
Ashley you're retarded...I'm surprised you know how to use a computer. I'm almost certain your ass didn't read the full blog, because if you did, you would've said something of significance. Anyway ignorance is bliss...wait a minute, I think I'm talking too fast so let me say that again so your slow ass can get it....ig-no-ra-n-ce is bl-i-s-s. Dumb broad...
Umm Ashley, you sound very ignorant in your post. "Big words" are a problem? They rhyming too fast? OMG. I'm from the South too and you are making southerners look ridiculous.
Wats up Fest
I am a white male 19 from Ireland. I agree that 80% of people buying hip hop are white but ithink that most hip hop fans only think we buy all that mainstream materialistic garbage. Some cases that is true but for people like myself and others who listen to real hip hop and dont give a toss about cars, ice, rims or platnuim sales but are into dope rhymes and beats. While a percentage of people listen to rubbish like D4L, Lil Jon, Slim Thug, 50 Cent, Nelly, Jeezy and Game some fans actually like mc's and crews like Gang Starr, Pete Rock, Little Brother, MF DOOM, Rakim, KRS-One, Public Enemy the list goes on and on . Just cuz i am white please dont assume i am rich either. I live in a rented 2 bedroomed house with my mum. We both work 2 jobs and struggle to pay rent from month to month. So please don't assume that just cuz i am white that i am rich far from it. Also dont assume that just cuz i am white i dont love and know hip hop as a culture and as an artform. I know most young people black or white who think hip hop started with 2pac and 50 cent but i am not one of those people so please dont assume that i am. Anyway much respect and love. See ya
Nas - Best Eastcoast rapper
Snoop - Best Westcoast rapper
Ludacris - Best Southern rapper
M&M - Best Northern rapper
They say its the pressure of corporations that make them do this cause "being a gangsta" sells more.
Me personally I like to buy music that helps me develop as a person (I am black). don't get me wrong, I do listen to the "Ice" rap occasionally, but that's not where my head and heart is at. For those reasons is why I listen to the Kanyes. T.I's, the Kewlis and Mos Defs and the Commons, and bone thugs. And I started to listen to rap when Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle hit the market.
The majority of these artists need to learn about balance,
rhymesfest is the best rapper
I think the worst part of all of this is that a lot of Kats just choose to remain un-informed and challenged by there music. I mean this just isn't a music thing this is the movies and television shows we choose to indulge in as well.
One time I was talking to this kat I work with about the Dead Prez album (Lets Get Free) and he's like "I ain't trying to hear all that political isht talking all that black power." And In my head I'm like you know they're talking about real things I don't agree with everything they say but I think it's definitely important when you black to be informed.
This current hip-hop is the ministrel show just like Little Brother said. You got all these guys on T.V. just showing us illusions. Some got the paper and cars like they say. Most don't. All you're doing is glorifying everything that's negative in the hood. The materialism, the it's all about me attitude, the lack of respect for the life of others. I read in one of Michael Moore's book that blacks are still just as poor in this era as we were 10-20 years after slavery. That's crazy! That's why I say all of this they show is illusion. We need the Kweli's, Lupe Fiasco's, Mos Def's, and Rhymfests because these are the guys that will help you in your life to be more than just the hood. These other guys are just keeping you in that slave mentality. And someone made the comment that the type of music little brother, Rhymefest and Others make as not being black music you couldn't be more wrong. All these guys incorporate soul, jazz, R&B, and Rock Influences all music we have created.
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Most of ya'lls vision is impaired like staring through a prism/Truth is in words as art is in lyricism/Most of ya'll jokers can't accept no criticism/you stuck with bad luck like your ass was imprisoned/yo/you instruct yourselves on the ways of a world that don't want you/you yearn to fly but you really dont want to/try/talking bout equality in record sales and shit/boy go read a book and lift your veils and shit/from your eyes/my brother dont be surprised/if you wake up in a room/shock full of old guys/and you ask yourself/"did I just age" and watch my life pass before my eyes in blind a rage"?
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Food for the hungry mind....dont make yourselves mad over a dying art form!!!I love hip hop....but she's a dying bitch
Typo at the end...but hope ya'll catch my meaning through the lyrics
GTO THE DASH. You must be white or got offended by what I said. I read the full blog. I only answered the last two questions, dumbass!!!!
Animate. Big words are not the problem, its the beats mixed with the lyrical content. They want to know why people in the hood wont listen to the shit thats part of the reason.
No Doubt. GTOTHEDASH is white. Sorry, but you probably know that shit is true.
ANIMATE. I know niggas who say they dont listen to the shit because it's just too much for them. They are not as educated and lyrics are overwhelming. Thats all. Didnt mean to make you look ridiculous.
GTOTHEDASH.
Go back and read hoe ass bitch!!!! The last paragraph Rhymefest says "My question to all of you today is...."
Ashley I actually agree with you. Everything is relative, it just depends on your outlook. I liked what you had to say. You should e-mail me. futureperfect777@aol.com
Rhymfest got it all twisted. Here is where you make your greatest mistake. You say white people are holding down true Hip Hop artist. First of all no offence to white Hip Hop fans, but Hip Hop is Ghetto, and rap is Ghetto Music ( KRS ONE 1989 album title "Blue Print Ghetto Music ".
I don't know about you but when I'm in the ghetto, I don't see many white faces, I see plenty of black and brown but very few whites.
Now how can white people dictate what's real and what's not. The sad truth is all that negative shit brothers are talking about is true. I know that you would rather listen Talib, Common, Mos etc, but those cats are not even from the ghetto's of New York.
-Kanye is related to a famous actress
-Mos Def as a child has even been on Michael Jackson music Videos.
And don't get it twisted, I love these cats (Kanye/Mos) but they are not from the street even though they rep it.
Now let's stay on focus here.
This is where Rymefest got it wrong.
Listen to these names:
Master p, yin yang, franchise, little jon,nelly,cash money,trina,young joc etc. and the list go's on and on and on.
Now are you going to tell me that white people have nothing to do with these sell-out artist making it big? Thats a fucking joke.
White people are the major purchase power in rap music. Matter of fact scratch that, white are the major purchase power of AMERICA.
Now lets read the politics into this.
What Eminem did was what we call "back pack" rap music and alot of Emcee's do it. Eminem is just really a white Canibus, and shit Canibus is eating out of a can. While Eminem is the richist rapper in history. Don't that sound blacks being exploited? I mean the richist artist in a black art form is a white man. Now you can't blame that on blacks not supporting real Hip Hop. That's just an indication that we live in a racist white America. The truth is white America loves a dumb black man more than a smart one. The only problem with us is we got to stop giving a fuck about the white people's purchase power and instead focus on being true to ourselves.If they like it, cool. And if not fuckit.
Another thing, people think that there is a difference with rap music and Hip Hop, so let me explain. Hip Hop is not music, I'll say it again. Hip Hop is not music, it's a CULTURE that originated in the GHETTO'S of New York. It's a CULTURE, say it again. It's a CULTURE. Rap is a music form derived from the culture we know as HIP HOP. Lets say it again, Rap is a music form derived from the culture we know as HIP HOP.
Now the beutiful thing about Hip Hop is that it will never die. It will still be strong even when rap music no longer sales.
In the case of Rap music dying, that's nothing to worry about.
From out of this Culture we call Hip Hop, another music form will be developed. The way it looks English Ragaeton is going to be the new Hip Hop form. It's a monster. You should se how Japan's onto it. It's all over the world and people are starting to do it in their own native language. We might be doing it here. And to all you Haters that say ragaeton won't last 5 years, guess what? They said the same about rap in the early 80's. Peace.
MIKE. I am in college at a school in the Big 12. I am one of two black people in an Intercultural Communications class of about 80 white kids. You are right. I just depends on how you look at it. I am looking at it from the point of view of a black girl who is amongst these white kids everyday. I have been in college for the past four years. There is no way that what I had to say is ridiculous or ignorant. I appreciate your comment. Thanks.
@P. GIFT
4 NOT BEIN BLACK U R A DEEP CAT. RESPEK WHERE IT'S DUE.
THE KING HAS SPOKEN.
PuertoRico - Yeah I get what you're saying, but I don't want to get caught up in words. We all know hip-hop is a thought of as a culture (even though it's really a subculture). I was saying, though, that I do think of hip-hop music and "rap" music as different. Hip-hop music, to me, has more substance than "rap." "Rap" to me is like the crud on top that doesn't necessarily mean anything - just like the word, "rap." "Rap" can just be talk for its own sake, whereas hip-hop denotes something with more substance and a higher consciousness than just "rap" music, but both share the same root. To me. That's what I was saying.
Ashley - I am in college in Alabama so I know what you are talking about. I thought your words showed insight, no problem.
oh yeah Anonymous above is MIKE
Ashley.
Get a fucking life. You have spent entirely too much time on this blog. You wrote atleast a 5 page paper to be read by motherfuckers (like myself) who really dont give a fuck about the topic.
And for the dude you said you should email him. HAHHAHAH this aint a dating service homie. Try getting off your computer and meeting a young ladie. And for those of you who couldnt figure it out. Any broad who has this much time to sit on the internet and deliver a (well written) lecture about meaningless shit must be a fatty. Sorry babe just keeping it real. hit the gym and get a body to match that intelligence.
lastly the south and all their COON rappers suck. FEST please speak on meaningfull shit, i know you can! And if anyone wants to treaten me or any other shit dont waist your time. Im a brother from the Chi (northside bitch!) but im in China right now so just save it. And yeah i know im an asshole.
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Hey Bama Time... whatever man.
one more thing, "Hip hop.... is not a way of life... It doesn't tell you how to raise a child or treat a wife..."
Hey Bama Time... that was funny tho I can't lie. but fuck you anyway... I bet Ashley is a dime
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You are still right BAMATIME! I do need to get a life. I am too fine to be at the computer. I go to school in Lubbock. Track is over and I aint got nothing else to do with myself. My "essay" was well written because I am an English major. Ya'll niggas have blasted me out of this hoe, though. IM OUT.
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Ashley, I wasn't trying to blast you so to say just didn't really agree with you that's all. Yeah its pretty sad that folks in the hood have that outlook but hey I'll let them have it.
GL with school though. I been there and done that.
Rhymefest thank you for not rapping!!!
The white people you see are probably part of the millions of poor who live side by side with poor blacks, hispanics and asians. Tell me, what is a poor white dude supposed to relate to?
Emo bullshit about your mommy not giving you enough cash? Nah, it's the rap you're talking about, the stuff that inspires and makes you want to say "Fuck the world, I'm going to succeed no matter what." I'm not saying blacks don't have their struggle, but white people have this stereotype of all having trust funds and sweater-vests. The truth is that there are more poor white people in America than blacks, and nobody gives a fuck about them either.
Fest, it seems you are getting around the world more and seeing that stereotypes aren't the truth. It's good. I wish more people would too.
rhymefest. or slow black man. you suck dick. you look like a dufus. oops...i just creamed in my pants. get a real job
Damn..this blog went platinum quick....HEY RHYME...How did it go at the HOUSE OF COMMONS?
Any positive changes made in the U.K?
I agree and have pondered this thought, many days and many nights. But I, as a Minority also in the world and in this country, Have seen. I am a Seventh Generation Hispanic person from America, and where I live I have felt the oppressive nature of white people. Gentrification, Opression, Poverty, these are all the symptions of poverty its self. So I have always loved hip hop and everything about it. Tupac is the Collective outcome of what happened in the Civil Rights Movement, if ya Can Feel ME? Turn off that bull shit, turn off that radio!!!!
I think that is a relevant issue because I make hip hop my self. And I strive to reach a higher level. I feel like if I drop an album it would fall on deaf ears. I not in to the whole club party singy song thing. I think hip hop is something special. We should use the tool that god has blessed us with to uplift our people out of the hood. Or to at least give them somthing to grab a hold of. I don't think hip hop is dead. I think it will kill it self if it dosen't find its true idenity.
you know, that is like any music... and any form of art for that matter. there is commercial art and there is personal art and artists have always had to struggle to find the balance between eating and expressing themselves. so I don't think hip-hop is unique in that respect, but I feel what you are saying.
I don't think hip-hop can ever die. I think that's something people say to sound dramatic. if you think hip-hop is dead, then you are basically saying that the love for hip-hop within you is dead. hip-hop can never die just like no form of art can die. if you don't like what you hear on the radio, make something yourself. how can hip-hop die when anybody can make a beat for free on a computer these days?
MUST HAVE ALBUM =
Foreign Exchange - Connected.
"Good People, good lovin, good music in my life, it makes me happy"
Once again go out and get "The End of Suffering: Fearless Living in Troubled Times" Russell Targ and J.J. Hurtak
Shit ain't gonna change untill enough people get educated. So I invite you to check out: THE POVERTY OF PHILOSOPHY by IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE to help a little. (ASHLEY this will be good for you becasue he is not talking FAST.)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=j7Vl0peys90
Why I Gave Up On Hip-Hop (Washinton Post)
By Lonnae O'Neal Parker
Sunday, October 15, 2006; Page B01
My 12-year-old daughter, Sydney, and I were in the car not long ago when she turned the radio to a popular urban contemporary station. An unapproved station. A station that might play rap music. "No way, Syd, you know better," I said, so Sydney changed the station, then pouted.
"Mommy, can I just say something?" she asked. "You think every time you hear a black guy's voice it's automatically going to be something bad. Are you against hip-hop?"
Her words slapped me in the face. In a sense, she was right. I haven't listened to radio hip-hop for years. I have no clue who is topping the charts and I can't name a single rap song in play.
But I swear it hasn't always been that way.
My daughter can't know that hip-hop and I have loved harder and fallen out further than I have with any man I've ever known.
That my decision to end our love affair had come only after years of disappointment and punishing abuse. After I could no longer nod my head to the misogyny or keep time to the vapid materialism of another rap song. After I could no longer sacrifice my self-esteem or that of my two daughters on an altar of dope beats and tight rhymes.
No, darling, I'm not anti-hip-hop, I told her. And it's true, I still love hip-hop. It's just that our relationship has gotten very complicated.
When those of us who grew up with rap saw signs that it was turning ugly, we turned away. We premised our denial on a sort of good-black-girl exceptionalism: They came for the skeezers but I didn't speak up because I'm no skeezer, they came for the freaks, but I said nothing because I'm not a freak. They came for the bitches and the hos and the tricks. And by the time we realized they were talking about bitches from 8 to 80, our daughters and our mommas and their own damn mommas, rap music had earned the imprimatur of MTV and Martha Stewart and even the Pillsbury Doughboy.
And sometimes it can seem like now, there is nobody left who is willing to speak up.
I remember the day hip-hop found me. The year was 1979 and although "Rapper's Delight" wasn't the first rap song, it was the first rap song to make it all the way from the South Bronx to Hazel Crest, Ill.
I was 12, the same age my oldest daughter is now, when hip-hop began to shape my politics and perceptions and aesthetics. It gave me a meter for my thoughts and bent my mind toward metaphor and rhyme. I couldn't sing a lick, but didn't hip-hop give me the beginnings of a voice. About the time that rap music hit Hazel Crest, all the black kids sat in the front of my school bus, all the white kids sat in back, and the loudest of each often argued about what we were going to listen to on the bus radio or boombox. Music was code for turf and race in the middle-class, mostly-white-but-heading-black suburbs south of Chicago.
One day, our bus driver tried to defuse tensions by disallowing both. Left without music, some of the black kids started singing "Rapper's Delight." Within a couple of lines, we all joined in:
Now what you hear is not a test
I'm rappin' to the beat.
Then the white kids started chanting: Dis-co sucks, dis-co sucks, dis-co sucks, dis-co sucks , repeating the white-backlash, anti-rap mantra of the era.
The white kids got louder: DIS-CO SUCKS, DIS-CO SUCKS, DIS-CO SUCKS, DIS-CO SUCKS.
So we got louder, too:
YA SEE, I AM WONDER MIKE AND I LIKE TO SAY HELLO
TO THE BLACK, TO THE WHITE, THE RED AND THE BROWN
THE PURPLE AND YELLOW.
Then the white kids started yelling until their faces suffused with color.
And so we started yelling rhymes that I still know to this day, some of which my kids know and, I bet, so do some of the kids of those white kids who screamed at us from the back of my junior high school bus, raging against change, raging against black people, or, who knows, maybe just not appreciating our musical stylings.
SO I RAPPED TO THE BEAT LIKE I NEVER DID BEFORE.
We rhymed and the white kids disappeared before our eyes because we were in another world -- transported by the collective sound of our own raised voices, transfixed by our newfound ability to drown out their nullification.
We felt ourselves united, with the power of a language we didn't begin to understand. "Rap at its best can refashion the world -- or at least the way we see it -- and shape it in our own image," said Adam Bradley, a literature professor at Claremont McKenna College who is working on a book about hip-hop poetics. It has the capacity "to give a voice that's distinctively our own and to do it with the kind of confidence and force we might not otherwise have."
I grew older, and my love affair with the music, swagger and semiotics of hip-hop continued. There was Kurtis Blow, Melle Mel and the seminal Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five:
Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge
I'm tryin' not to lose my head.
I learned all the rhymes played on black radio, because do you remember when MTV wouldn't touch black music at all? I got to college and started getting my beats underground, which is where I stayed to find my hip-hop treasures. Public Enemy rapped "Fight the Power" and it could have been the soundtrack to CNN footage of Tiananmen Square or the fall of the Berlin Wall:
Got to give us what we want
Gotta give us what we need
Our freedom of speech is freedom or death
We got to fight the powers that be.
I was young and hungry and hip-hop was smart, and like Neneh Cherry said, we were raw like sushi back then, sensing we were onto something big, not realizing how easily it could get away from us.
* * *
Of course, the rhymes were sexy, too, part of a long black tradition starting with the post-emancipation blues. It was music that borrowed empathy and passion from exultations of the sacred, to try to score a bit of heaven in secular places.
It was college, and in the late 1980s and early 1990s, the post-civil rights, post-sexual revolution, newly grown hip-hop generation imagined that we had shed our momma's chastity-equals-black-uplift strictures anyway. So when MC Lyte rapped, "I ain't afraid of the sweat," well, you know, we waved our hands in the air. Besides, it was underground music, adult music, part of a wide range of expression, and it's not like we worried that it could ever show up on the radio.
Hip-hop was still largely about the break-beat and dance moves and brothers who battled solely on wax. It was Whodini, Eric B. & Rakim, Dana Dane, EPMD, A Tribe Called Quest. And always and forever, Lonnae Loves Cool James. I knew all LL Cool J's b-sides and used to sleep under a poster of him that hung on my wall. I still have a picture of the two of us that was taken one Howard homecoming weekend.
And if, gradually, we noticed a trend, more violence, more misogyny, more materialism, more hostile sexual stereotyping, a general constricting of subject matter, for a very long time we let it slide.
In 1988, EPMD rapped about a woman named Jane:
So PMD (Yo?) Why don't you do me a favor?
Chill with the bitch and I'll hook you up later
She's fly, haircut like Anita Baker
Looked up and down and said "Hmm, I'll take her."
But by last spring, it was Atlanta-based rapper T.I.:
I ain't hangin' with my niggaz
Pullin' no triggaz
I'll be back to the trap, but for now
I'm chillin' with my bitch today, I'm chillin' with my bitch today.
Nearly 20 years later and T.I. can't even be bothered to give his "bitch" a name.
We were so happy black men were speaking their truth, "we've gone too long without challenging them," as Danyel Smith, former editor of Vibe magazine, put it. And now, perhaps, hip-hop is too far gone.
* * *
At the 2003 MTV Video Music Awards, rappers Snoop Doggy Dog and 50 Cent embellished their performance of the song "P.I.M.P." by featuring black women on leashes being walked onstage. This past August, MTV2 aired an episode of the cartoon "Where My Dogs At," which had Snoop again leading two black bikini-clad women around on leashes. They squatted on their hands and knees, scratched themselves and defecated.
The president of the network, a black woman, defended this as satire.
Hip-hop had long since gone mainstream and commercial. It was Diddy, white linen suits and Cristal champagne in the Hamptons. And it was for white suburban boys as well as black club kids. And it now promoted a sexual aesthetic, a certain body type, a certain look. Southern rappers had even popularized a kind of strip-club rap making black women indistinguishable from strippers.
I don't know the day things changed for me. When the music began to seem so obviously divorced from any truth and, just as unforgivably, devoid of most creativity. I don't know when my love turned to contempt and my contempt to fury. Maybe it happened as my children got older and I longed for music that would speak to them the way hip-hop had once spoken to me.
Maybe as the coolest black boys kept getting shot on the streets while the coolest rappers droned: AK-47 now nigga, stop that.
Maybe as the madness made me want to holler back: "Niggas" can't stop AK-47s , and damn you for saying so.
Last year, talk show host Kelly Ripa gushed to 50 Cent, a former drug dealer turned rapper, about how important his movie "Get Rich or Die Tryin' " was while black women around the country were left to explain to their own black sons, " Sometimes, darling, black boys get shot nine times and they don't live to brag about it on the mike . "
And a few weeks ago, watching the Disney Channel cartoon short "Fabulizer," I seethed when the little white character lamented that his "thug pose" wasn't working.
While the mainstream culture celebrates the pimped-out, thugged-up, cool-by-proxy mirage of commercial rap, those of us who just love black people have to be a little more discriminating. "Sometimes," writes sociologist Mary Pattillo-McCoy, "when you dress like a gangsta, talk like a gangsta and rap like a gangsta often enough, you are a gangsta."
My husband, Ralph, and I try to tell Sydney that rap music used to be fun. It used to call girls by prettier names. We were ladies and cuties, honeys and hotties, and we all just felt like one nation under the groove. Sydney, I tell her, I want you to have all the creativity, all the bite, all the rhythms of black rhyme, but I can't let you internalize toxic messages, no matter how cool some millionaire black rappers tell you they are.
Sydney nods, but I don't know if she fully understands.
* * *
I was born to be the Lyte
To give the spark in the dark
Spread the truth to the youth
The ghetto Joan of Arc
-- MC Lyte
Last spring, I got together with some other moms from the first generation of hip-hop. We decided to distribute free T-shirts with words that counter some of the most violent, anti-intellectual and degrading cultural messages: You look better without the bullet holes. Put the guns down. Or my favorite: You want this? Graduate! We called it the Hip-Hop Love Project.
Others are trying their own versions of taking back the music. In Baltimore, spoken-word poet Tonya Maria Matthews, aka JaHipster, is launching her own "Groove Squad." The idea is to get together a couple dozen women to go to clubs prepared to walk off the dance floor en masse if the music is openly offensive or derogatory. "There's no party without sisters on the dance floor," she told me. In New York, hip-hop DJ and former model Beverly Bond formed Black Girls Rock! to try to change the portrayal of black women in the music and influence the women who are complicit in it. "We don't want to be hypersexualized," said Joan Morgan, a hip-hop writer and part of the group, but we don't want to be erased, either.
Finally, it feels like we've gotten back to what black women are supposed to have always known: that it is better to fight than to lie down.
My daughter says I don't like black voices and I could weep that it's come to this. But instead I listen to the most conscious hip-hop that comes my way: Common, Talib Kweli, the Roots, KOS, Kanye West, who blends the commercial with commentary. I close my eyes to listen as Mos Def says:
My Umi said shine your light on the world.
And still, always and forever, Lonnae Loves Cool James.
I keep my CD player filled with old-school tracks and I fill my kids' heads with the coolest, most conscious, most bang-bang the boogie say up jump the boogie songs from when hip-hop and I were young. Sydney says I don't like black voices and I say: Ax Butta how I zone/ Man, Cleopatra Jones .
I make Sydney listen to songs from when rap said something, but my daughter is 12 and she laughs at me. Rap says something now, Mommy, she says.
Lean wit' it
Rock wit' it
Lean wit' it
Rock wit' it
She snaps her fingers and I just nod. Change is gonna come. Meanwhile, her song is catchy. And there are no bitches!
At least not in the chorus.
oneall@washpost.com
Lonnae O'Neal Parker, a Washington Post staff writer, is author of "I'm Every Woman: Remixed Stories of Marriage, Motherhood and Work" (Amistad/Harper
Collins), out in paperback this month.
First off, everyone needs to dispel this myth that if you do conscious rap that you are enlightened or intelligent. Second, white folks appreciate artists once they been elevated to a crossover status. Hip hop elevated these hood stars and then the White dollars came calling. Third, music is a business and one where you need to constantly know who your audience is and play to your strengths. Continue to do concerts, give shit away...let the public know who you are, and be creative.
Finally, Fest the reason why your shows are so White is because you are finally realizing that even today how uneven the economic world is. We are still divided by the halves and the halve nots. I listen to Dead Prez, Kanye, 36 Mafia, Lil Wayne and every artist you can think of. Artists need to create a product the people want...that doesn't mean they need to sellout. They need to learn to treat the game as a business...put your money where your mouth is, sell a quality product, and create it as cheap as you can (i.e., continue to create conscious labels that produce good music).
fest stop talking about me as the "white dude" i dont talk about you as the "black dude", you know what is the problem, the problem is that black people are to obsessed witch racial issues, as a white male i dont really care if the one behid the mic is balc or white, the shit i care of i if he got skills, if his music has soul, shit like that.