SOHH NYC

Man, I miss diversity in Hip-Hop. Why everybody gotta be thugs now. Our generation is a bunch of "Rileys" from Boondocks. So freakin sad.

Reckless, you were on point til you got to "Breathe & Stop"!! LMAO!!
Co-Sign C-Red to the fullest.

Queens Reigns Supreme. Hot beats. Creativity. Lyrics and skill. How many fake thugs and drug dealers do we need? Speaking of which....

I said it before and I'll say it again. BIG is not in my top 10 and Pac sold DRAMA not music. It took both of them getting killed for so-called music fans to crown them kings. How sad.

Those two DEATHS, not careers have had such an impact on MUSIC it's pathetic. There's a fixation with death that automatically catapults the status of the dead for the financial benefit of the living. Unbelieveable. People have been looking for Messianic figures for thousands of years. This generation is so lost they look to modern day minstrels for salvation.

"You're nobody till somebody kills you" - Notorious BIG. Truer words have never been spoken.

@ Nimrod..SMDH@ U...You say Big is not in your top 10 & then go as far as to saying that "Those two DEATHS, not careers have had such an impact on MUSIC it's pathetic"
But then end your comments by quoting a BIG song...
LMAO!!! Yeah, BIG definately had a impact on you!
Nimrod, Big Pun & Big L both died as well, but we don't hear the MAJORITY of people screaming either one of those artist were the greatest to ever do it..You really need to stop hating..You seem like a smart dude, but be killing me with these preconceived notions about Pac & Big..
I guarentee any one of your favorite rappers are to blame to bring destruction to black people as well, as you so call like to put it, which I happen to disagree.

Queens Reigns Supreme. Hot beats. Creativity. Lyrics and skill. How many fake thugs and drug dealers do we need? Speaking of which....

SMDH again...Then what do you call Nas when he first came out???

@Clo Fresh

Yeah, I quoted BIG for people like YOU. How Ironic that HIS words support my argument. LOL!

Pac NEVER sold the way he did after he died when he was alive and the same can be said for BIG.

No disrespect but Big L was on mixtape status when he died. He was Stacks Bundles before Stacks Bundles. Pun was Puerto Rican and Obese. Both of which were problematic in marketing him. He certainly wasn't going to be a sex symbol. Nice try but you fail.

Pac had Deathrow to validate him and BIG had Hip Hop's own PT Barnum, Puff Daddy to promote/exploit his death. Pun had Fat Joe? Are you serious? Big L had Diamond D? Some comparison.

Dying alone didn't make these deaths the factors they became. The machines behind the exploitation of their deaths is what did the trick.

Big L and Pun had no such machine. This isn't about lyrics. Hasn't been that way for 15yrs. This is all about marketing ploys and DEATH was a tough act to follow.

Also Clo Fresh, I recall Nas being more of a story teller than someone assuming the personna of a drug dealer or killer. I don't recall Nas talking about how much weight he pushed, time he did or people he killed unlike Jay-Z or BIG. His position was true to the original street griots. He reported what he saw in his environment. Somewhere though the transition took place from observer to participator with rappers and then the "I'm REAL" era personified by Pac took hold.

Pac wasn't a thug, gangster, drug dealer, hell, he wasn't even a true Panther. He was a creative artsy dude who created an indentity for entertainment purposes that worked so well for him he died holding on to it.

@Nimrod...BIG was also obese and considered ugly by the females..You missed me with that Bullsh*t!

@Clo-Fresh

Big was FAT. Pun was Obese. As far as ugly I don't judge men. I do know BIG had chicks fighting over him. Pun had no such thing. Aside from that Pun was Puerto Rican and generally speaking Ricans like hip hop but they don't love it. I know some of the early pioneers were Rican like Charie Chase but if you really check it they were more into the break dancing than anything else.

Pun was so big he couldn't even spit his verses without punches in the sound booth. You're not trying to compare Pun to Big are you.