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sohh.com says kill the record labels when they are at the same record label in NYC for an Artist's Press Day LOL. The chinese kid that writes for you never said "Kill the Labels" matter of fact the Chinese kid that writes for you was even at the G-Unit office on Press Day for T.O.S. I say that we do a documentary called BACKGROUND CHECK where we exposed the lifestyle of our writers and how can we as Hip Hop fans have those that have proven unqualified DOCUMENT our culture. How about we Kill the hate toward Hip Hop and stop worrying about Wednesday's ales and focus more on quality music. 10 Years of worrying about record sales resulted in us Hip Hop fans being able to NAME 10 HIT RECORDS from 1995 faster than we can name 10 HIT records from 2005. By the way I am someone that is so close to SOHH.com that Gyant and Reckless don't even know it LOL. I'm on the inside exposing their true intentions.

FYI: make sure the Chinese kid doesn't come back to the G-Unit office, we'll make sure Yvette doesn't put you guys on the list again LOL

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Co-Sign that Record labels killed themselves 100% Record labels need to get with the digital era...
Pushing real talent to the side in exchange for a talentless rapper who made you a few quick bucks (but now can't make you a dime)>>>>>I TOTALLY AGREE!!!

As a person who majored in music business in college and who now works in the music industry, I can say that you're 100% wrong. People (especially people who post things on the internet for many people to see) should really look into getting an education before telling everyone their ignorant opinion. Oh, and by the way, please don't think that any major label is going to go down ANYTIME soon. They have deep pockets and serious resources, and if anyone fixes this industry, it will be one of the major labels.

Sooh will not let me post on here

First of all, I want to applaud Reckless for his assessment of the labels. I enjoyed it.

Now I am going to deviate from the topic and write a fairly lengthy post (I know, what else is new). I am going to address "Broke iz a disease's (B.I.A.D)" question to me and others, yesterday, which was basically "do whites have a place in Hip Hop?"

First thing first, I want to commend "B.I.A.D" for a question that is an important socialogical question that I could see young intellectuals and progressives on the campus of Harvard University, University of PA, Bryn Mawr College, Howard University, Georgetown University, Spelman College or Standford University disucssing and debating.

I love these kinds of questions. By the way, B.I.A.D is white.

Now, the origin of hip hop is given credit to the Bronx, NY but in truth it's origins as an American phenomenon can be tracked to the Last Poets from the 60's. I know that most people on here don't have a reference for the LAST POETS so I will give them the most contemporary reference which iscommon's joints "The Corner." Further, you probably could even make an argument that Gil Scott Heron is one of the original founders of Hip Hop music too.

Now if you look at their music you will see that it was politcal in content and it often spoke to the social inequities that appears to be systemic. We could and can still see these inequities in education, health care, employment, war casualities and so on and so on. This was the orginal content of Hip Hop music. It was perhaps more melodic than later Hip Hop but it was hip hop.

Now we did see an evolution of Hip Hop and that was when my city brought the world into the living room of New York urban culture. We showed the world what a New York party looks like. We showed the world what a New York economically depressed community look like. We showed the world how a New yorker dresses and talk. Really Hip Hop culture in the early days was nothing more than New York City Black and Latino urban culture.

Now from what we showed the world you had dudes in Florida buying sheep skin coats and leather bombers. What the f*ck did they need a sheep skin or a bomber in the hot @ss south. We had dudes in LA buying name plate rings and belt buckles.

We showed you and the world the great diversity of New York City's Black and Latino Urban community. We showed the world what a 5 pecenter is. We had the whole nation saying things like, word, and peace. It spilled over into film and you saw what the Bronx looked like. Spike lee pulled the scab off of racial tension in New York which has always been there. New York City is one of the most racist cities in the world and has always been that way.

We also showed people the different ways to rhyme and flow. Initially whiteboys and others saw the culture as nothing more than some New york City's deviance sub-culture that no one would ever take seriously. I think Nim used the go-go example the other day which was an excellent citation. If you are not from the DC area or ever lived there, then chances are you don't have a clue as to what Go-go music is.

So let us fast forward - now we are here today and the people planning the music are not Black nationalists, militants and socialists as we saw with the Black Poets and Gil Scott Heron. These people in charge now are not interested in talking to our people about anything constructed.

They don't want any rapper to have any level of black political and social consciousness and if they do they must keep it to themselves because if they bring it out then they will not be promoted.

Hip Hop music now is a captalistic product that is mass produced by utilizing the age old capatalistic principles of supply and demand. HIP HOP consumers are WHITE. It is that simple. They make up 80 percent of the market.

Now the corporation have had their market teams engage in environmental scanning, SWOT Analyses and other marketing data collection techniques and have found that white youth are particuilarly enterained by racist musical narratives and charactachures that reinforces age old streotypes of Black men being violent, animalistic, community predators, pimps, drug dealers, lazy, stupid, ignorant misogynists who hates his own woman is willing to express his hatred for her to the world. They love to have these kinds of themes scripted out in music in film for the purpose of leaving the human family with the idea tha Black people have a natural propensity to this kind of behavior.

This is why 50 cents is so beloved by the white youth. As a racist capatalist, you can offer his corporated created and largely exaggerated charactachure to a group of people who have been condictioned to receive these kinds of messages and 21st century Hip Hop Musical black face clowns. This is not the first time this has been done. This was done in the 70 in film and was done almost as a way of business and culture in televison. Look at the 70's alone with shows like Good times and Sanford and son. These were prime time shows that depicted the American Black family as one that dwells in the housing projects of America and in her junk yards. These images ran for years just programming over and over again white people's mind to believe this is who we are.

Now you know who were responsible for doing this. It is the same people who have always been the exploiters of Black people in enteratinment and sports. This is not racism - this is a fact.

Now let me bring this back in. Black rap artists are slaves. I ignore all this tough talk into a camcorder that is posted on the internet by these fools. I know this is done because out of desperation these dudes want white America to love him as a deviant. Tony Yayo and an effort to please the rap marketplace released a joint entitled "The thoughts of a ." The predicate felon he was referring to is himself. Now that was not directed to our community but yours because white folks will pay to see us bear witness that were are indeed, N i g g e r s. This is what sells to the market, although Yayo's joint flopped.

So is there a place for white people in Hip Hop? - I would say "HELL YEAH"

My question is, is there a place for Black people in the market.

Now that is part 1. I will let you read that but i am going to come back on and explain why I say and do what I say and do on this site and then i will be done with this important question.

As far as posting issues on this site, i don't know about yall, but i suggest you start copying your text before you post. I frequently get some type of UTF-8 error code, this i'm sure w/ my knowledge of IT, is formatting issue and u can google some html, ASCII, etc to UTF-8 converters to see if your text has unusable special characters...for the text that is. not the Special Character shown only by a few on this site. (Bigup2BK, Nimrod, React to name a few of the few).
as for my post yesterday to B.I.A.D., Bigup2BK broke down in more depth and detail what i was getting at with his ref to The las Poets, my uncle turned me on to them when i was discovering The Message. He is an Ex-Panther and he was like "that ain't nothing new", listen to this. BOOM, instant fan. Anyway, so using Hiphop as a tool or medium to inform, educate, protect, teach, report to those whom don't get any "all men are created equal" treatment but instead they get "all men shall be treated different and inferrior to the powers that be to keep them confused, and self loathing oppressed worker beez", i don't really need a white kid (or a black youth) from the burbs telling me what they see from MTVs view. But now if your truth speaking and understand the truth and ur trying to iinform me on your pops and his good ol boys plans . Then hop to it. If your just wanting to show your abilities to match skill for skill or even surpass another emcee, like i said, I'm down with that to, though the latter takes way less priority than the former.
BIgup2BK...do you feel that the "lets look at this as an art" is a distraction to the reality in which it was purposed. Think about Jazz, Blues, etc and now hiphop. they make a people fight for one thing, this is music, and then give in and recognize, yeat it is music or an art form. I see their hopes of really after allowing those minor type battles to be lost, the fighters bigger focus is now out of focus. CHESS. you know what Im saying? It starts urban, then they mesh and then they take it away. the reason it starts should be preserved. if so, then it can never be taken unless they start treating, informing, and caring about all citezens the same in an unbiased fashion, etc.

My first two degrees are in Business so I understand marketing and micro and macro and internatioanl economics. This is why I work in finance and engage in scientifc research. It is because the manipulation of numbers have always been something that I have found entertaining.

I also understand the social sciences. Now as a Black man I am going to say something to you that is hard for me to say and hurts my heart to say but it is true. That is that the vast majority of Black youth are socially, culturally and politically ignorant.

I have made compelling argument after compelling argument to them (not white folks but Black youth) on this site as to why 50 cents is not the image to embrace and celebrate. They are so weak of mind that they process my message as a message of hate and not truth. Their programming is indelible.

See this thing have gotten so messed that Black youth have bought into this garbage of 50 and liked coons and because of this huge deficit in their cutltural appreciation and love for their people coupled with this paralysis of critical thought it is hard to reach them. Are you familiar with Ivan Pavlov's work? If you are then you understand what I am talking about when I speak about Pavlov's dog. Well because on this society you can almost think of both white youth and Black youth as Pavlov dog. Both cohorts of youth are trained to run to a paradigm that is destructive to one set of people and that is Black people.

Jay Z said that Hip Hop did more for race relations then Dr. King and Obama. Well, I like Jay but I have to correct his ignorance.

Hip Hop has created a big melting pot - that is true, but the melting pot is firmly planted on a narratives that says that Black people are N i g g e r s. So Sean Carter, explain to me how that has helped race relations. Are you comfotable having a euphoric kind of pluralistic multh-ethnic and racial composition of young people uniting on the premise that we are n i g g e r s. I mean Brother study a little more before you say these kinds of ignorant things. Jay, you are a great rapper but that is an ignorant statement you made.

This Hip Hop narrative is an awful and it impact our communities in a negatibe fashion. I mean I agree with Oprah stance not to have these artists on her show. She is a self respecting Black woman. Why in the hell would she want 50 on these when like me, shows knows exactly what he is.

Now check this out - you as a white man will more likely to read these two books I am going to refer to you than Black youth on this site are and that is because their cultural apathy is infinite. So I am going to ask you to read Carter G. Woodson's Book, Miseducation of the Negro and Dr Jawanzaa Kunjufu's Book Conspiracy to Kill Black boys Bso that you can put my words in a more historical and conceptual framework.

If you are a white guy who is truly interested in improving race relations then further educate yourself by accessing the Schott Foundation's data regarding public education and you will see the desparities in education which has a strong correlation with high Black male incarceration. Also access the freedman's Bureau and read that document throughly.

Just read it. Howard University students should def read it. I won't tell you why but HU students should know what is in that document. Anyway, come into my world and then you will see why I dodn't find 50 cents appealing. I know what he is and who created him to be what he is and who controls him. You dudes are caught in a racist characterization of what his handlers want you to believe he is, but I seeand know what he actually is.

He is far from being hard. He is actually a pathetic P8ssy. He is pathetic because he is almost a billionaire but yet he is too much of a contolled P8ssy to speak on issue to uplifts a community of people who admire him. He is too much of a P8ssy to attach himself to any Black progressive cause.

All he can do is use these public forums to cast himself and his people in a image that condictioned whites love to see. So I see a different man then you see. What I see only hurts our people and not help us. What good is it to make one of our people rich and as a model for our youth to immulate when the model is not allowed to engage his people in anything constructive.

Last comments - the reason why I call white folks crackers when attack with 50 is because when wiggers like Kola and Athiest/Main/MJP...etc bring this 50 cent image and racist corporate created characterization to me - as an educated Black man it is like they are calling me n i g g e r. So in retrun I call them crackers.

Anyway, that is what I have to say about the topic.
Great question!

@ VerbalPainter:

Peace Bruh:

Yeah, I actually do. It is a major distratcion. All of these social engineers of confusion and evil working in the Fed Gov't such as the late J Edgar Hoover have always understood the importance (for their ageanda) of targeting the population of black youth for the purposes confusing them into a non-productive and destructive life.

As Nim have pointed out many times, King and Malcolm were at my age and the age of many of these bloggers were deep thinkers who were heading large national movements that was changing the way a whole nation thought about many issues. Our youth on this blog are concerned about Rick Ross being a Co and 50 producing a new Curley skit.

So it is clear that the idea is to always dumb down the youth through forums and entities that speak directly to them and in this case, it is what we currently mislabel today as Hip Hop. The jazz analogy you made is perfect. Just track the socially conscious lyrcs of the 60's watch the eradication of those lyrics in 2009. We went from Marvin Gaye asking a profound question of what's going on to being requested to do the stanky leg...lol.

Seriously, the enemy always water down things that would raise the consciousness of Black youth. it is really the old Malcolm X too Black too strong coffee analogy.

@Bigup2bk
Nah, homie, Jay if you quoted him exactly? I have not researched his statment, but he is telling the truth, though possibly not in how he mean. Hiphop IS DOING MORE for race relations than Dr. King becuase of this melting pot. It creates that distraction from it's original purpose. Now all these "others" are involved it is like if we want to be fair then we have to listen to their side and his point and her ideas, etc instead of carrying a group of people to a destination in which matters are in their own hands and they are not puppets or easily manipulated. It is so diluted what was the original falvor and why did they persue the spreading of that original flavor. and yeah Puppet Cent reminds me of how Lebron, MJ and others who "made it" won't speak their mind on black issues. selfish and maybe they have no mind or opinion like the rest of the zombies. Jay Z still making money, what is he speaking on really, will he be that spook that sat by the door?

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VERBALPAINTER:

Man I was smiling for ear to ear when I read "THE SPOOK WHO SAT BY THE DOOR" reference. That is my approach. Man it is always refreshing to see a brother or sister with their eyes opened.

Anyway, I think that you are giving Jay way too much credit....lol. How isn't that deep. I lke Jay too. However I know that he rips people's intellectual property off sort of claims it as his won. He is not that deep when it comes to soci-political-economical kinds of topics.

I think that we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

Correction:

However I know that he rips people's intellectual property off and sort of claims it as his own. He is not that deep when it comes to soci-political-economical kinds of topics.

Good i thiink we aggree at the very least about this distraction they put into play on the people. We need to connect on some other, cuz i never posted this much on any site ever until these last few days. Wheres Nimrod and React @? I def am not used to searching out these posts to see if i can build w/ ya'll or grant you a look at my viewpoint.

and on Malcolm, can you imagine (not Bigup2bk but others pondering his reference) how dumb, uninformed, blind and or non-important your life has to be when you compare the age of yourself with the age of El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz when he was on the path to his accomplishments (or almost accomplishments) and others of that era. Grand Illunsionists no doubt. I am not trying to insult but motivate you to wake the eff up. seriously. it sickens a man to the point that i have to be on here sticking my neck out. I can't be the only one thinking. I can't be the only one with knowledge put into use and forming wisdom I use on a daily basis. What are your eyes that glazed over? I know there has to be several other "me" doing what i did (kept quiet reading plotting, planning) i'm willing to risk it. so i had to respond a few days to some things, now don't let my exposure keep you sleep. we here and ready.

Sorry Bigup2bk lol
i was being ironic on saying Jay was correct. I'm saying he was right but only because realistically hiphop has done more than King in the way it has meshed together the races (not saying i'm a seperatist). It is doing exactly what big bro wants and keeping people confused. Keeping the young black mind infected with horrible ignorance.

now you know that i know that Sean Carter is not that deep. or at least doesn't want peeps to think he is. Yes he is a biter and thief, the worst intellectual property he stole...Jehovah gods rightfull recognition (Jay Hova, puh lease) I will never ever respect him on that alone unless he can recognize his error in that way.

as far as his skills. i never liked him in that aspect either, he chose some hot beats. there are less than 3 songs i could say i ever liked by him period if that many. I do think though on some gems i heard in a few lines his intelligence level is that above some others out. but the jury is out on that.

in short i am in no way crediting him with being correct intentionally with his Dr King statement. ha ha. It is like a hillbilly saying They're a bunch of N I G G E R S in there, and the room is filled with a bunch of Curtis Speppin Fetchit Jackson fans. They don't think they r N I G G E R S but actually....u know the rest.

@ VerbalPainter:

I hate to tell you that after Nim, React and an occasional appearance from my Big Bother E. Frazier and the Homie Dre G, the level of consciousness on this site is pretty bleak.

Most of the bloggers on here are white. Further, many of them have these cultural deficits that do not allow them to speak on many topics with any level of competency. Sure they the know how to greet you using jargon common used in our community (in fact one may even affectionately call you nigga...lol) but they are lost when it comes to any real discussion that requires them to offer an analysis, peripheral and critical thought or framing the discussion in a way that incorporates important historical and conceptual framing to form a foundation for a view point.

These cats are basically addicted to that dishonest narrative I described up top so their purpose on here to simple say that Ross is a CO and that 50 is King because to argue this release their endorphins. If you get in the way of any of their electronic high that they seek in their hero worshipping then you they will create 5 to 10 different online personalities to attack you in a pathetic attempt to discredit you. It is pretty sad.

Now if we can get some of the dudes that we used to have on here in the past then you will see something nice. We even used to have sisters on here getting theirs' in too. That to me is sohh at it is best.

wow, then my plea was like me yelling into a room full of high crack addicts. I had tears in my eyes a electrfying feeling of hope and a sense of worth and purpose. I was ready to teach, etc. but they glanced and went back to the glass penis. oh well.
Snap out of it People, but how can they snap into something they were never into i spose.
Yeah, like i was saying, then we need to get together outside of this site at times, especially with the posting and UTF-8 formating issues etc.

@ VerbalPainter

LOL....it went over my head initially.... LMAOOO

However, I feel much better now that I understand what you said...lol.

I like Jay as an MC but his comment was ignorant - I had to expose the homie.

@ VerbalPainter
what the hell jay gotta do with this?

Wow, that is a lot to digest. A lot of very interesting points, things I would have never even thought of. I've emailed this link to myself so that I can look back at it over the weekend and also check out those books, I've been looking around for my next read anyways. I appreciate your honesty and insight BigUp2BK, Verbal you had some interesting opinions too. Conversations like this need to be out there way more than they already are. Keep dropping knowledge on here cuz its not enough of it going around. Oh yea and i forgive you for calling me "Ignorance is a Disease" last week. Still don't ever put Rick Ross on Jadakiss' level B! Blasphemy!!

side thought, you don't have a blog do you?

@ VerbalPainter:

Word Up - I want to change the direction of dialogue on this site. The reason I go in on 50 so much is that I want the white kids who frequent this site to know that all blacks are not ignorant. I purposely take their image and crush it in front of their face and in a way that they can't repair this racist super nigga image. When they are reduced to calling me a hater and creating 10 different online personailities but still can't offer anything else then i know i have done my job well...lol.

Anyway, always ink me in when it comes building - that goes for here on this site or anywhere else.

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@ Brooklyn B
He possibly made a poorly thought out statement about Hiphop doing more for race relations than Dr. King. ( i say possibly cuz i never researched his statement, not that i don't trust Bigup, but i don't know the full context in which he made or meant the statement, though i am fairly comfy in saying he likely didn't mean it the way that i see why it could be correct.)

I was just fooling with Bigup since he never said. I agreed it has done more but more WORSE.

@ B.I.A.D:

I never did...lol. Jada is my dude as well as Styles. Anyway, I thought that your question was one of the best questions ever posed on this site. It took us to the heart of the issue. I was also impressed with your honesty and willingness to share your race and your honest view point. To me, this is how we improve race relations.

Please read those books and other sources. Tell me what you think after you check everything out.

What the...this site cut off part of my sentence???
I was just fooling with Bigup since he never quoted Jay as saying Hiphop did more GOOD for race relations, so I agreed it has done MORE, but more WORSE.

@ BKB:

Jay said (come think about it - i heard it through a third source...lol) (accoding to a radio station in Philly which is where i work at - ) that Hip Hop has done more for race relations than Dr. King and Obama combined. So for me the inference is that Hip Hop has done more positive things for race relations then Dr. King and Obama - so if Jay did say that then you have to correct that dude. You can't let something so false stand as if it is true not when you are diminshing King's contibution by saying that musical blackface buffoonery has made a greater contribution than Dr. King has. As Brothers we can't let that stand regardless of what artist makes the statement.

My label of choice for the ignorance I'm forced to witness amongst my young black people...Buffoonery.

In that context no doubt Jay was way off base.

I feel you man, I always would think about how we could bring white and black together more efficiently. My thinking has been that if we were better at getting dif ethnicities together earlier in their lives we would see such an improvement in race relations. So that white kids wouldn't grow up watching anti drug commercials and think that Black Men in the hood are the only people selling drugs (real talk, REAL TALK). Its crazy how white kids are conditioned (not necessarily thru their parents, mine are as anti racist as they come and they come from racist families i.e. my grand parents) to subconsciously see black people as criminals, drug dealers, athletes, tough guys/gangsters, addicts etc. Since I am from northern, NJ and my closest friend in the world is from Paterson, NJ (moved to my town in 5th grade with his grandparents to get a better education) I always dreamnt about how great it would be to start some sort of after school or weekend community center that focuses on bringing in kids from all communities (Hoods and suburbs) so that they could interact with each other and get an understanding early on in life that we aren't all that different. Nothing can ever change the fact that i don't know what its like to walk down the street, interview for a job, hail a cab as a black man. But if we can erase some of the stereotypes early on, both ways, not just how whites view blacks(I personally can't stand how accepted it is for people to view and mock whites as being corny or whatever which is a whole other discussion for another day). This country/world will be so much better for it.

By Bigup2bk on April 17, 2009 2:02 PM
@ BKB:

Jay said (come think about it - i heard it through a third source...lol) (accoding to a radio station in Philly which is where i work at - ) that Hip Hop has done more for race relations than Dr. King and Obama combined. So for me the inference is that Hip Hop has done more positive things for race relations then Dr. King and Obama - so if Jay did say that then you have to correct that dude. You can't let something so false stand as if it is true not when you are diminshing King's contibution by saying that musical blackface buffoonery has made a greater contribution than Dr. King has. As Brothers we can't let that stand regardless of what artist makes the statement.
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how is that a false statement?
rock did the same thing. music in general brings people together
check the story of staxs records
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now your gripe should be with the coon ass artist not the music. unless ur telling me that race relations are the same as during king then i cant co-sign
but its not, so i dont see whats wrong with jays comment

just like hip hop financially done more for blacks then oprah (and actual comment), is a true comment
now u can say but it degrades women or glorify drugs but the comment is finanacially it did more
so jay saying that musc (hip hop in this case) done more for race relations then king how is that false?
majority of rap consumers are who?
when u go over seas what they listen too?

now if you DONT like the direction or the imagery then that wasnt what he was talking bout, thats another subject

but then early in life gatherings. so they are not "brainwashed" so to speak...do they then lose their culture or heritage. human is human, but what environment at that early stage are they to be influenced by? also it is really sad (Im in iowa mind you) that it isn't just the white kids that get that into their heads of how blacks act due to those commercials, etc. it is all kids, especially blacks. My nephew says i can't say "anyhoo" cuz i sound like the white kids at his school. WHAT they sound like me. but anyhoo...i am reading into what your saying B.I.A.D. and i hope i see what you mean and intend, but you would be wise to realize it is deeper than child hood playmates. it is the food they are fed no matter who's hood or home they are in. where is that food coming from?

UH...............
you can get these krakkaz at birth, they still gonna be them. just like malcolm said if a puppy have babies in a oven do it make it a biscuit
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it dont matter, they will always be them
check out africans in america
check out what happen in Nambia with them germans, this was before them punk jews and they weak ass holocaust
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these devils enslaved they own people and thats all they know how to do is oppress.
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check slavery the making of america also

ahhh man, ahhhh man.
@Brooklyn B
come on now, that is exactly the point, how is a kid overseas or anywhere in the world (US, etc) RELATING to our race or other races due to Hiphop? Regardless of the content of the music. you have others listening to that cultures music....OOOOOOR what they think is that cultures music and thinking this is how they are!That is why they are influenced into wearing baggy jeans, to cross their arms like they in a b-boy stance, to think their gangsta is more gangsta than your gangsta, etc. How is that good for race relations at all? I don't cross my arms as if in a b-boy stance. I'm not gangsta like Puppet Cent claims to be. I don't talk like an idiot (though my typing isn't the best ;) ) I still see people cluthing the purse locking the door, etc when they see me when i'm not in Iowa at that (visiting Granps in STL, or older bros in ATL, etc). because of the view they get on the screen, or blasted into their ears from the fm dial. I know over seas there are alot that bump that movement music, P.E. Dead Prez, etc but still what Jay seems to be speaking on his his music and those that rap like him have done more for race, etc. In that since he is dead wrong.

"My nephew says i can't say "anyhoo" cuz i sound like the white kids at his school"

This is exactly what I'm talking about.....why is that corny? Cuz white people say it?

Why does white = corny in black peoples eyes?

Why does something "black" = ghetto in white eyes?

There aren't too many white people in the "hoods", and growing up there was only a handful of black kids at my school. It takes waaaay too long for black and white kids to interact in life and find out that they have an infinite amount of common interests. Sports and music being 2 of infinity.

I understand that this is a result of thousands of years of BS being fed to the next generation. That's not even where I am taking this conversation. I am simply saying that teaching kids of all races to interact with each other at a young age will crush any stereotypes that the media, music whatever can subconsciously inject into our brains.

@verbal
your comparing images and whites and blacks and asians and whoever else u wanna add not ignorant to one an other.
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just like martial arts brung people more interested in asians. now do EVERY asian do karate, no, but if u saw a asain its not gonna be something strange.
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there are white kids more likely to "relate" to you or so they think due to the music
compared to listening to blacks is inferior to whites
blacks are stupid
blacks are supposed to be our slaves
blacks are blacks are blacks are
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now the IMAGE of us ironically jay is working on too, he and (i forget his name) have a promotion company that is too paint us in different lights.
the image of blacks and the music we listen too is 3 different things
cause how we act AINT how we should be acting, we act no different then rednecks
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they have trucks with big wheels
we have cars with big rims
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they sell and smoke meth
we sell and smoke crack
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trailer park
projects
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white trash
niggas
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so image is one thing, but music is another. u would see blacks and mostly whites at concerts and signings for BLACK rappers
not signs saying nigger go back to africa
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so in comaprison
race relations during king time
and race relations during our time IS different

now if you DONT like the direction or the imagery then that wasnt what he was talking bout, thats another subject
and
the majority or rap consumers bit.
The content of the music is indeed mixe in entirely...because when they hear the music they will think what is being presented is the culture, you'll have a few who can recognize otherwise just like you have in these states, but just like you have in these states, the majority will think that is a true and fair representation of American Blacks, when it is not.
How is that good for race relations. (that is why i said earlier it has done MORE but not MORE GOOD). ahh, i have a headache with these farmers being computer illieterate (at work but anyhoo).

Sohh deleted my comments to BKB and kicked me out of the forum. I had to sign back in.

Anyway, I am not typing all that over again.

BKB - you are my dude but you can't be serious, Fam.

Are you comparing the impact of Dr. King to the Impact of Hip Hop?

In short let me say this: Dr king started a movement that desegregated (kind of) a whole nation and created a legislative revolution in American politics.

Hip Hop has dull the consciousness of the Black youth and made them to conform to a racist narrative that says they are a n i g g e r.

To me this premise is utterly ridiculous to discuss. If I didn't know you i would think this is one of your stans who signed on in your name.

What Dr. King did just 100 years ago would have been unthought of. I mean come on - you can't be serious, Brooklyn B.

@verbal
with or with out hip hop these people will still believe that
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check out ANY news article especially on TMZ.com and if it deals with a black person
read what they think about us as a race
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read ANY comments that deal with barack and see what they think about u
there thoughts will always be that. all the rappers could rap like common or mos def and there will STILL be what u see now. our (IMO) biggest prob is we think we can (or should) change them.
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back in the day we used to have the saying
"its a black thing you'll NEVER understand"
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the better race relation is your not seeing lynched black men hanging from trees (now we get shot down by the punk police but thats anutha topic) or blacks FORCED to do stuff like back in the day.
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but when it comes to our image that is and will always be OUR problem to solve, but most of us dont even know who we are let alone what we should strive to be as a black race.
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thats why i say the music and bringing people together and the image is different

@ Brooklyn B and Bigup2BK

ironically jay is working on too, he and (i forget his name) have a promotion company that is too paint us in different lights
that is why earlier i said that jury was still out. from what i know and see of Jay Z, he is not my type of rapper, artist. but from what I know...I caught a couple jewellz i didnt expect.
And that, Bigup, is why i mentioned one of my dads favorite books (another being The Prophet).
maybe jay can take us back to real Black Star power (Garvey) and not the BET ish, but I doubt it.
What happens when they see a brother and it is strange because he has no ice on, etc that makes it jsut as wierd when they find out he isn't like they were told that he was ignorant, too.
when they hear bling bling (can't beleive that is in commercials now) but see me NOT flossin' then how they thought they could relate will still be wierd to them....
and

so image is one thing, but music is another. u would see blacks and mostly whites at concerts and signings for BLACK rappers
not signs saying nigger go back to africa...
Oh, is that from hiphops doing?

@ BKB,

Now that I see your other post I know that it is you and you know that i respect your views.

However, this goes back to my initial point of bring people together on a racist premise. I don't see how that improves race relations.

Would J E W S say race relations are better because the world through some art form see them now as a bunch of money grubbing - holocaust exaggerators ?

@ Verbal Painter

I like Jay - I really do but Jay is not built like that. If Jay was he would not have said that ignorant @ss comment he said.

By the way, I still want some Blackstar stock....lol

@ Bigup2bk
yeah, you probably should copy your posts before u submit just in case, i had a long reply once and learned my lesson on that.

@Brooklyn B
the better race relation is your not seeing lynched black men hanging from trees (now we get shot down by the punk police but thats anutha topic) or blacks FORCED to do stuff like back in the day.
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but when it comes to our image that is and will always be OUR problem to solve, but most of us dont even know who we are let alone what we should strive to be as a black race.
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Hiphop did that too? Hiphop did that? Maybe this is one of Brooklyn B's stans, cua that sounds like the offspring of what Dr King (i don't even like Dr King but i recognize his work) started. along with the hippie movement, the panthers (Last Poets while partially fathering some of hiphop, they were not influencing like that at that time in my opinion)
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Yes, what they still think of us...because of hiphop. If we only presented ourselves as Drs Lawyers, intelligent men and woman, teachers phylosophers, etc then they may still think that but over seas you would see them ASSIMILATING their folk to that image, why do you see Indians come over going to college and not be listeners of hiphop? because of it's image, yet in their poor areas they have those who listen to hiphop, but they want to be like Puppet Sense and not Lupe.
and their not the ones sent or giving the oppurtunity to come to the us to get their degrees, etc

@ Verbal Painter:

I hear some of your frustration. BKB is a real good dude who is conscious but I disagree with him and Jay on this one.

One other observation that you made that encourages me because i thought it was lost by our people all together and that is this mass imagery of us. I wish that everyone could travel outside of the country so they could see the impact of this imagery. We have some of our own African Brothers on the continent who don't want any association with us because of this imagery coming out of the west.

I point this out time and time again and all out people express in return is apathy. It is crazy.

In case you guys missed my post, I'd like your thoughts on this...

"My nephew says i can't say "anyhoo" cuz i sound like the white kids at his school"

This is exactly what I'm talking about.....why is that corny? Cuz white people say it?

Why does white = corny in black peoples eyes?

Why does something "black" = ghetto in white eyes?

@bigup
What Dr. King did just 100 years ago would have been unthought of. I mean come on - you can't be serious, Brooklyn B.
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check this out
africans in america
slavery the making of america
faubourg treme/black n'orleans
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imma make this short cause this is my friggin 5th post that keep getting cut!
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when soul musci was poppin' was they music coonery?
was whites NOT trying to get fros?
NOT trying to be down?
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music and our image is 3 different things
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when the blues was poppin'
there was whites sneaking into spots to listen to it
but the music have nothing to do with our IMAGE.
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we have to control our image, you would be look at as a nigger
tap dancing
chicken eating
watermellon eating
kool-aid drinking
and you would be looked at as a nigger
with a harvard degree
rich as hell
well acomlished
your own talk show (operah, who was refused in a store) etc etc
rap have nothing to do with our image
now hip hop improving race relations deal with the togetherness of it all
the partying together
the listening to the same music
the michael phelps saying i listen to jeezy to get hype
*now let me copy and paste this so before i just say F'it*

Yo, Reckless!! Why the hell you let everybody post novels on this blog but me??? Man, you better let me in this mutha fucka!!!

@ B.I.A.D.

This is what VerbalPainter is talking about. You have access to a universal language of hip hop jargon that allow whites and others to communicate in Black circles that were once to foriegn to them. However as whites other people mature they funnel out of this of their Black bilingual venture and fall back into a language that is commonly spoken by the masses of productive white Americans.

So whether you say it or not, is nothing more than novelty for you that is being mistaken by some as advancement in race relations. Whites have always been fascinated with Black culture. This is not nothing new. It still didn't stop them from engaging in century of institutional racism.

Me personally I couldn't care less if you said it or not. I recognize the desire for what it is.

@ Brooklyn B...I see you homie..That was a great analysis.... Standing Ovation homie.. I co-sign that Oprah comment 100% as well. Waiting for my boy Bigup2bk, to respond..Gotta see what he gonna come back with...
@Bigup2bk..Got admit dawg, that was nice what Brooklyn B stated @ 3:36pm. Very beautiful assessment!

@ Clo-fresh:

Respectfully homie, respond to what.

BKB is a good dude but i see his and Jay's comparsion as reckless (no pun or disrepect intended)

I can't compare the Ambassador of peace to all of humanity (Dr King) to a jewish controlled art from that paint us as n i g g g e r s.

No disrespect again - but i find that suggestion to be utterly ridiculous.

I went back to BKB's post at 3:36 and respectfully it does nothing for me.

He talking about comformity. Comformity in this context is not improvement. I don't care who Micheal Phelps listens to. If I am not mistaken (because i don't listen to jeezy) isn't his rap image that of the doap man.

Yeah that really helps advance race relations....smh.

when soul musci was poppin' was they music coonery?
was whites NOT trying to get fros?
NOT trying to be down?

music and our image is 3 different things

your own talk show (operah, who was refused in a store) etc etc
rap have nothing to do with our image

How, can you disagree w/that???

@Bigup2bk..Since Reckless, don't let me post journals on his blog (lol), please go the Rick False blog in the news section and check my respone to what you had mentioned earlier and something that you had mentioned a lil while back.

By Bigup2bk on April 17, 2009 3:51 PM
@ Clo-fresh:

Respectfully homie, respond to what.

BKB is a good dude but i see his and Jay's comparsion as reckless (no pun or disrepect intended)

I can't compare the Ambassador of peace to all of humanity (Dr King) to a jewish controlled art from that paint us as n i g g g e r s.

No disrespect again - but i find that suggestion to be utterly ridiculous.
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In my many post i was saying
after kings death where was the unity?
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hip hop is music
soul is music
rock is music
and all forms YT ran to to be apart of it
the jews ran soul also
the point im making is
jays comment on hip hop UNIFYING races and bettering race relations is accurate.
your blurring the unification of different races thru hip hop
and OUR lack of control ovr our image.
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ray charles was loved by black and white
he UNIFIED the races thru music
but that have nothing to do with our image
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im tring to separate the 2, if jay said (and all this is off of a comment that isnt quoted but loosley remembered) hip hop changed how whites look at blacks then i would say da,n jay thats a dumb comment
but if he saying the MUSIC brought different races together then i have to agree.
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you think khalid and blacks have something in common? his common factor is hip hop
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theres people that know no english but can recite hip hop, not country, not heavy metal, hip hop music.
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now if your gonna say yeah but they LOOK at us as gang members, thugs, pimps etc etc
then thats an IMAGE problem and thats OUR problem
it have nothign to do with the music, cause if thats the case show me what black music is out that makes whites "respect" us?

You cats have a distorted view of improvement. In let put this in context - what are talking about Dr. King (I won't even add in Obama) and Hip HOp.

We are talking about a man who was operating in the shadows of the 1896 Plussy v. Ferguson society and he helped transform race relations largely to what it is today (which isn't great) and you dudes are on here trying to compare that to white folks doing the funky chicken in the 1970's.

I mean again this premise to me seems shockingly and utterly ridiculous

@ BKB

Jay's comment on unifying races may be true, although I still see a segregated @ss America but that is a nother argument for another day. Anyway the idea that Hip hop improved race relation more so than King did is foolishness.

Do you think that if Hip hop was around in the 30's 40 and 50's as oppose to Dr. King in his movement that we would be sitting in a so-called desegregated society and we would have seen the the kind of civil rights legislation we saw. Do you think we see the kind of mass inter-racial marriages will see today?

Why can't you and clo-fresh see how miscast Jay's statement is and you and clo-fresh agreement to that statement?

By Bigup2bk on April 17, 2009 4:03 PM
You cats have a distorted view of improvement. In let put this in context - what are talking about Dr. King (I won't even add in Obama) and Hip HOp.

We are talking about a man who was operating in the shadows of the 1896 Plussy v. Ferguson society and he helped transform race relations largely to what it is today (which isn't great) and you dudes are on here trying to compare that to white folks doing the funky chicken in the 1970's.

I mean again this premise to me seems shockingly and utterly ridiculous
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so after kings death
race relations was better then then now?
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before king in n'orleans there was a bus boycott
before king SC had the LARGEST number of blacks in congress/politics
krakkaz STILL treated us however they wanted and viewed us however they wanted
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what im saying is
after kings death what did that do to race relations? didnt the panthers include EVERY cause and didnt separate them self
where was the togetherness after king. thats the point im making
im not discrediting
what im saying is hip hop DID do more for race relations then what the civil rights did but its not just hip hop its MUSIC period cause music always brought the races together.
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now when it come to king, king marched, king got laws passed
but what did THAT do for race relations is my question?
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if jay said hip hop passed law for race relation then he's wrong, but to say that hip hop DIDNT is crazy to me especially since your not explaining how it DIDNT

By Bigup2bk on April 17, 2009 4:10 PM
@ BKB

Jay's comment on unifying races may be true, although I still see a segregated @ss America but that is a nother argument for another day. Anyway the idea that Hip hop improved race relation more so than King did is foolishness.

Do you think that if Hip hop was around in the 30's 40 and 50's as oppose to Dr. King in his movement that we would be sitting in a so-called desegregated society and we would have seen the the kind of civil rights legislation we saw. Do you think we see the kind of mass inter-racial marriages will see today?

Why can't you and clo-fresh see how miscast Jay's statement is and you and clo-fresh agreement to that statement?
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before hip hop there was soul, and blues the rock and roll
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MUSIC (which hip hop is) unify people, it always have
the distortion is including IMAGE with MUSIC
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just like michael phelps, u said isnt jeezy the dope man rapper, yeah thats helps blah blah blah
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your mergin IMAGE (blackmen are dope dealers) and MUSIC (hip hop) together
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when u look at a girls gone wild commercial do u see 2 white girls and pull your camera phone out and tell them to get naked?
YT control they image
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when whites listen to hip hop they prolly think we some thugged out gangstas, why? cause we dont control our image.
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we speaking on RACE RELATIONS and race relations during hip hop and race realtions during king time is different.
so MY QUESTION IS THIS: what era would u like to live in, KING and what he did for race relations or HIP HOP and what it did for race relations?
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music brings people together
King brung people together
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Hip Hop enjoyed by the white race
King MURDERED by the white race
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after Kings murder what was the relationship between black and white? was it unified or was there still a separation?

BKB:

I am going to take one last stab at this -

First can we agree the race relations generally suck.

Now if the statement is that Hip did more (we will assume that more means positive) for race relation than Dr King and Obama combined ( I will leave Obama out) then let us deal with that.

Now the operative word is "more", agreed?

So that means we have to look at American society when King hit the National scene, 1954, 1 year after Brown v. Topeka Kansas Board of education and when hip Hop really went mainstream - let's say 1985.

So let me see if this your position - that from 1954 to 1968 compared with 1985 to 2009 that race relation gains in terms of improvement was better because of "HIP HOP" music?

Now if we were to compare those two societies - understanding the socio-political landscape of the world during those time periods - your position is that Hip Hop has done more to improve race relation than Dr. King. By the way - let me remind you of the 100 of international organizations founded in King's name that have done all kinds of wonderful things for race relations - you still believe that Hip Hop, has been more effective in improving race relations than Dr. King. By the way, both races consists of more than people of the hip hop age group of 14 to 35. Anyway, I want to make sure that you understand the framing of the question and that you stand by that comment.

@Reckless

Good analysis on how stupid "the brightest amongst us" can sometimes be. Im quite sure that you ruffled some feathers lol...

@BigUp2BK

Whats good man. This is ATHEIST. I think im banned from this blog to lol.

Ease up on the "J" word homie, youre killin em lol... They dont need anymore pressure than theyre getting now. we finally have an administration in office that atleast attempts to give off the appearance of not having an Israel bias.

P.s. I've been checking out the FinalCall lately, and their international news is not that bad. The editorial page in the latest issue gives a different perspective on Somolian "Pirate" situation.

Peace

after Kings murder what was the relationship between black and white? was it unified or was there still a separation?
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@ BKB

You are not under the illusion that the races are unified today, are you. This nation is still seperate an unequal, moreso than it was when that bullet struck Dr. King's person in 68 in Memephis, TN at Lorraine Hotel . Parity in America is still a huge problem. America has never been a racially unified nation. You can't point to a time period in this nation where we have seen racial unity. That is a fallacy.

If that is Athiest then I owe you an apology. There is some clown who have been on here stealing your flow. I hate to admit that i fell for his garbage. So again, I apologize to you.

With that being said, the final call has always been a really good newspaper. If you move away from the faith based content where understandably people could have some disagreement with, the other content is really good. They have always went into their following and found people who have actually been trained in journalism.

Anyway, I am glad that you are back in the building as a friend and not as a foe...lol

Peace to you, Bruh!

@BigUp

Nah dog, that wasnt me lol. I havent been on this site in a hot minute. And when i do post here, my comment gets swallowed up.

Theres a couple of dudes on here that are good at creating characters and covertly going at somebody they dont like. i be watchin them lol. Theyre pretty good.

Which blog was this swagger jacker on ? I want to read it for laughs while im on my way back to New York

@ Athiest:

I know and that is so weak. I would feel defeated if i had to recreate my 5 times over in order to debate a cat. Anyway, i have to get out of here. I am going to pick up my Queen and head back to New York myself.

Peace to BKB, CLO-FRESH, VERBAL PAINTER AND BIAD. It was nice to chop it up on this level like we used to. Peace to you to Athiest. You dudes have a good weekend.

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Sorry stepped outside a bit to discuss this same issue (on whites in hiphop with a white coworker I'm tying to get to rhyme with me). I like his writing ability.
anyhoo (that is my word nephew, i'll use it to the fullest)
Race Relations
I feel hiphop has positive and negative impact on race relations. I don't feel, or see how Hiphop has done MORE for race relations than Dr King.
just becuase people are dancing to the same song, or nodding to the same skilled emcee, doesn't make a good or better relationship. The whole point of them still thinking of us as coons, and tarbabies (reminds me of that Jackie Chan flick where they go to africa to find gold vs the Germans and that idiot black faced looking fool is like "Yeah boss it's here". what a joke. lost respect for chan after that and that was before the rush hours.)
anyhoo
when the song is over they still (due to the image issue u are pointing out well) still see us as entertainment, like blues, jazz, and rock and roll
view me as entertainment...how is that good for race relations. We r a nice place to visit, but they wouldn't want to live here. yes some whites (B.I.A.D. possible) can relate better because of hiphop and not dr King, but he admits his parents are anti racist but his grandparents were racist. So then his ability to hear hiphop likely stems from his parents allowance? I'm gonna take a wild stab and say his folks are from during or slightly after the king era, Hiphop wasn't out like that. I'm done w/ this. too tired to go on. But I hope you see my point.
and as for you post I didn't hit on yet B.I.A.D. (sorry)
It is corny because it is.
nah, jk.
(I let the humor flow when i'm tired) It is considered corny though, due to the IMAGE that is fed. How blacks should talk, how whites talk, etc. Hiphop in reality though...I can take a phrase that is barely heard, FLIP IT, now its a daily word. (Rakim)...ahhh i know what i will be bumping on the way home :0
So i think that whites (proper english usage) reliance on their propper use of grammar from thier upbringing and education through out life and likley lacking the street input is just not cool because all the things that are cool are on tv music vids, the rap radio station, etc and this is what they do..and it is different than mom and unle will, and mr sanders do. they speak different, i'm intrigued. i'll learn that mode of speak.)
also, it confuses mommy and daddy, it is always cool to confuse them, ha ha.
I imagine that being the subconcious thought process when hearing new slang, etc.

1 to all yall.
I'm off to work on a commercial with my big bro. peep ya'll later.
my last comment to B.I.A.D. got screwed up and i DIDNT copy that bad boy like i usually do. Too tired to retype, my appoligies, hope u get the jist, if not we will chop it up at a later date?
P.E.A.C.E.

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