I was reading a few back issues of The Source, and I ran across something that said "Is Chicago hip-hop dead?" Then they had a feature on Common who spoke on Resurrection (I Used to Love H.E.R ") and voiced his opinion on what was wrong with Chicago rap at that time.
Then, I ran across this:
The Source No. 64, January 1995, "Letters"
"Rap Vs. Hip-Hop"
"I think you guys are confused with the word hip-hop. Hip-hop aint rap music-- they're opposites. One is a business and one is an art form. I was surprised to see Redman on your cover [November '94], since you have previously decorated your magazine with Snoop, Dr. Dre, Coolio, TLC, Eazy E (twice), [Uncle] Luke, Kris Kross, and so on. Finally, you place a hip-hop disciple and an outstanding mark in our history of music on your cover. But to that punk ass writer James Bernard-- if you think that's your job to down our great gods of hip-hop, then why don't you down all that phony ass bullshit (rap music) like Coolio, Eazy E, Luke, Dr. Dre and Kris Kross. You won't because they make millions. I don't bullshit when someone is getting my culture confused with something else."-- Mr. Middle Finger, Lower East Side [END]
The point of this all is that many might think that the debate on what "real hip-hop" is is relatively new. But what's funny is that this argument has always been present. Aside from KRS bashing Nelly (and vice versa) back in '02, the same thing the kid from L.E.S is saying in his letter is the same thing we're saying NOW, twelve years later. So when will this argument ever conclude?
DJ Premier even went as far as to say, respectively, that Nas is an "MC," and Jay-Z is a "rapper"...which can be respected but it's funny 'cause I always thought Hov was looked at as an MC...
The argument remains to this day.
Jay-Z is an MC, just as much as Nas. I'm sure if any venerable member of the Hip-Hop community, say Grandmaster, Kool, etc. is asked, they'll agree.
However, Jay-Z is borderline, in that he knows what real Hip-hop is and can be an ill MC, but in the same vein he knows how to 'cake' -- he can be just as much a rappa as Fifity cent or Nelly and make a "hollow-seller" like 'Show Me Whatcha got'.
Its all a blurry line so its up to the consumer to differentiate.
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When you rap to glorify material things like a gun, a car, a cell phone, or Sneakers...you lose the "God-like" Aura in the sense of what seperates an MC from being laeled average. You become a "reg ular ass rapper" and you lose your ground on a planet that was once thought to be flat. On top of that the "Material" you rap about will only be hot for like that year. Then Next year you'll be forced to rap about the same shit only...This time you'd have to make it sound "better".
Bring back the real hip hop, bring back skills and most of all...CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEW REDMAN ALBUM mark my words...ALBUM OF THE YEAR. IDK We'll See!
Oh Yeah...PEACE PEACE
what's also funny is that the correspondent bashed Southern and West Coast artists
so that i guess was the very beginning, the early stages of NY outcry
jay-z is constantly defining what it is a "rapper " can do in this world.. 1st he was the hustlers spoke person.. with storys of keys in the trunk and dreams of a lavish life.... but he grew. he became the posterchild of how to take this shit to the next level.. hes an executive and never was an industry slave. but yall criticize him for that. "he dont keep it hood". why should he.. only a fool wants to remain hood and ghettto. shawn corey carter has masterd the game.and somebody got the nerve to say hes not an mc.. he is the micheal jordan of this game.. we never seen 1 before him and there will never be another
"Hip-Hop been dead it ain't bcuz MC's skills are lost/Its bcuz we can't see ourselves as the boss/Deep routed through slavery/Self-Hatred/The Jews stick together friends in High Places/We on some low level shyt/We don't want ni99as to ever win/See everybody got a label/Alot of ni99as are rappers but few flow fatal/Its fucked up it all started from 2 turntables"
Nas - Carry On Tradition
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With a quote like that, theres really not much left to say. Rappers are actors who pretend to be an MC and an MC is what a rapper wishes they could be.
Rappers are puppets for Corporate America.
MC's are ghetto story tellers who's every verse has a hidden message.
Rappers one dimensional who can only speak about materialism.
MC's can speak about any and everything and can draw vivid mental imagines of exactly wat they're talking about.
And duke uptop was right Jay-Z is as good as an MC as he is a rapper. He can switch it up 4 the pop fans and still come hard for the grass roots. REal Talk!
PEACE II THE USUALS!
BROOKLYN STAND UP!
he can be just as much a rappa as Fifity cent or Nelly and make a "hollow-seller" like 'Show Me Whatcha got'.
Its all a blurry line so its up to the consumer to differentiate.
Posted by: BlackOnTheBackside at February 27, 2007 5:59 AM
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SO DID NAS WITH SONGS LIKE OOCHIE WALLY & YOU OWE ME - WHAT WAS SO HIP HOP ABOUT THOSE SONGS?
Jay walks that fine line between MC/rapper like nobody else. Dude can give you club bangers, storytelling, crack rap etc all in the same CD. So I say yea he's "hip-hop" but only when he wants to be. I'm not knocking that because it obviously works well for him.
Nas...c'mon, are we really going to argue this one? But make no mistake he is a higher caliber MC than Jay ever will be.
None of this is to say that "rappers" are bad. They have their place. There's certain dudes out that play that role well...the Clipse come to mind.
The problem with all this is, is straight opinion. Who gets to decide who isn't hip-hop and who is?
Remember Jeezy got pissed when Monie Love said he wasn't hip-hop?
Shouts to the usuals.
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Posted by: LOL@HIIPHOP at February 27, 2007 8:18 AM
Even as an MC, you still have to make music that people will move to. Not excusing that shit Nas did because it WAS wack. I chalked that up as a poor attempt to go commercial. I'm sort of glad it happened because it didn't work, then he came back and hit us with Stillmatic.
What up XBK Dude.
PPl. Here's a question:
We know what diffeentiates an MC fom a rapper -- substance, motive, intent.
So can a rapper, who, for his fist couple albums made club-oriented songs, switch the substance of his music, his motive, his intent, and then be respected? Can he come lyrical and deep and introspective, and then be considered a 'real MC', or do you look at him as trying to break a new market.
Nas...c'mon, are we really going to argue this one? But make no mistake he is a higher caliber MC than Jay ever will be
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 8:22 AM
YOU KNOW WE ARE . . . AND I WILL BE THE JACKASS TO START IT OFF
WHAT MAKE NAS A BETTER MC?
So can a rapper, who, for his fist couple albums made club-oriented songs, switch the substance of his music, his motive, his intent, and then be respected?
Posted by: BlackOnTheBackside at February 27, 2007 8:35 AM
I THINK SO, IF NIGGAS CAN LOOK PAST LIL WAYNE & BABY KISSING WHY NOT.
IF NIGGAS LOOKED PASTED BUSH STEALING THE ELECTION, THEN SHIT - ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
TO ME NAS FUCKED UP WHEN HE TRIED TO GO COMMERCIAL & WITH THE TUFF GUY/COCAINE RAP. NAS WAS BEST, WHEN WE WAS JUST HIMSELF - LIKE ON ILLMATIC.
JAY-Z ON THE OTHER HAND STAYED TRUE TO WHAT HE KNEW, AND REALLY NEVER TRIED TO BE A PREACHER - BUT WHEN HE DID PREACH IT WENT OVER NIGGAS HEAD!!!
Remember Jeezy got pissed when Monie Love said he wasn't hip-hop?
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 8:22 AM
THE TRUTH HURTS!!!
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted by: LOL @ BEING A JACKASS at February 27, 2007 8:45 AM
Debate is good. Let's get it poppin:
1)Overall body of work. Compare his discography to Jay's. The only wack Nas CD (IMO) is Nastradamus. This is all opinion I know...
2)Lyrics. No need for argument there either. Jay loses here because he bit a lot of shit. Even some stuff from Nas, the same dude who's lyrics he called "trash".
3)Content. Jay got big doing pop type tracks. Again, that isn't a knock on Jay because he does that well. But Nas is a more consistent MC. Like I tell everyone, Jay couldn't do a track like "Rewind" on his best day. It's just out of his lyrical range.
That's off the top...
Now tell me why Nas isn't the better MC?
PPl. Here's a question:
We know what diffeentiates an MC fom a rapper -- substance, motive, intent.
Posted by: BlackOnTheBackside at February 27, 2007 8:35 AM
4. WIT
5. PUTTING ON A GOOD STAGE SHOW - AN MC DON'T NEED 50 NIGGAS ON STAGE
6. A CLEAR VOICE 7. CAN FREESTYLE ABOUT ANYTHING AT ANYTIME
This will stir some folks up.
Cam and DipSet is HipHop
Jay and 50 are rappers
Real Talk
Posted by: LOL @ YOUNG JEZZY THROWING A HISSY FIT at February 27, 2007 8:54 AM
Yea. I got MAD love for the South so before any of you clowns start with that "you're a hater" shit, stay quiet, and get off my dick. But in all realness, how many real lyricists are there from the South?
T.I.? Nope. Dude makes some hot ass albums, but his content is all the same shit. Trapping, money, coke, etc, etc. Dude is one of the hottest out no doubt, but again...he's no lyricist.
Jeezy? The fuck outta here. Next.
Luda? Probably as close as it gets for the current crop of MC's from the South.
He's the only one I can say that I here consistent growth from.
Wayne? Eh...he spits that shit, and I think he CAN do a little storytelling when he wants. "I Miss my Dawgs" comes to mind. Seems like he's scared to come out of that lane of crack rap tho.
Outkast of course makes the cut...but I don't see many more.
This is what I think:
HipHop is a culture, Rap is a part of the HipHop Culture. Members of this Culture dictate what is HipHop. Of Course NYC is the Mecca of HipHop but at the same time what may be considered HipHop in Texas may not be considered HipHop in some other region of the Globe. HipHop today seems to have a life of it's own.
As far as Jay-Z and Nas goes if you look at the definition of emcee(MC) I would think that Jay-Z is more of an emcee. He does his shit for the people and the crowd no different than Dougie Fresh back in the day. Jay does his shit to entertain the masses. Nas on the other hand is more like a poet or artist. He does his shit for himself much like Ghostface and other creative and artistic rappers. Thats just what I think and it is definatly open for debate.
Nas...c'mon, are we really going to argue this one? But make no mistake he is a higher caliber MC than Jay ever will be
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 8:22 AM
Yes, thats exactly what Lil'Wayne did (assumming he's writing his rhymes), and honestly he's better for it. You cannot deny Weezy lyrically (again...assumming his lyrics are his
own).
Jay flexed his MC skills when he went straight at Nas lyrically and forced him to re-evaluate his career path. He showed and proved point-blank-period.
What's good peeps. Finally Reckless touches on a topic that is important. Don't turn this into who is better Nas or Jay-Z. They both do it well. Personally I think Nas has it all over Jay.
The bigger question is what makes an Emcee. Now everyone calls me a hater because I don't think that Weezy, Jeezy,Jibbs, Dipset, 50, & MIMS are emcees. Those dudes are rappers fucking pop artist's. That's not b/c they get radio play or sell albums but because of their lack of content. Dudes lack creativity, and substance. They dumb their shit down for the kids & people who don't give a fuck about lyrics, ie soccer moms & suburbs. Hot dance tracks made for radio play with sum clown rappin about nothing is RAP not hip hop. I am not hating I just don't listen to it. I rather hear any emcee on Babygrande or Def Jux, then some dude rappin pop music. I feel bad for our young brothers who can't remember the Golden Age of hip hop, because it probably never will be duplicated. Rap is big buisness, hip hop is not. KRS-ONE sums it up best "Hip Hop is something you live, rap is something you do".
One
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 9:03 AM
I know all of the TX niggaz going to get you for not saying Chamillionaire
what about Killer Mike?
scarface.
Jody breeze has potential.
my nigga z-ro is lyrical
Have you heard of T-Rock?
my niggaz Dirty are lyrical, but you couldnt tell because of how country they are, they are story tellers, and can make a hot club joint and then hit you with some shit that will make you think. and they can make Crack rap too.
Bun-B is lyrical as hell.
and i know you mentioned Outkast, but like i said yesterday, and i will say it in all caps.
YOU CANT FIND A RAPPER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANDRE 3000
Posted by: The Company Man at February 27, 2007 9:11 AM
I respect your opinion, and DO think Jay helped set Nas straight, but I can't agree that Jay won.
C'mon, hat did Jay have for Ether? Superugly? I fucked your babymoms? That's it? That's how you know homie lost...he tried pulling some personal shit out the bag. That's a sucka move.
If you beat a dudes ass in a fight, you really gonna care if he says some shit about your babymoms? It's like he lost, so now he knows he can't fuck with you, so he tries getting at you on a personal level, rather than taking that L like man. I thought he was going to bring some "yo mama" jokes next.
Wack.
YOU CANT FIND A RAPPER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANDRE 3000
Posted by: Victor Newman at February 27, 2007 9:17 AM
I meant to say Rapper or MC.
Now tell me why Nas isn't the better MC?
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 8:57 AM
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WITH ALBUMBS LIKE THE FIRM & THE ONE YOU MENTIONED - BASCALLY PUTTING OUT TRASH.
JAY-Z HAS MASTERED ALL FLOWS, WHILE NAS STAYED IN HIS LANE
HOW IS NAS MORE CONSISTANT IF HE CAN'T DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO BE A THUG/DEALER IN THIS RHYME OR A BLACK PANTHER IN THIS RHYME. I FIND THAT I TELL PEOPLE LIKE THIS IN LIFE "NIGGA PLEASE" ALOT.
ANSWER ME THIS: IF YOU WAS ON AN ISLAND AND YOU HAD A CHOICE OF BRINGING EITHER A JAY-Z CD OR A NAS CD - WHICH WOULD YOU BRING?
THE ONLY REASON WE TALK ABOUT NAS IS BECASUE OF JAY-Z. IF THEM THOSE DIDN'T GO AT IT, MOST LIKELY WE WOULDN'T NOT HAVE GOT A GREAT ALBUM LIKE STILLMATIC
- WE WOULD PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER WEAK ASS NASTRADAMUS ALBUM.
JAY IS ALSO BETTER BECASEU WHEN YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT ALBUMS, YOU COULD EVEN MENTION A WAS JAY ALBUM
PLUS JAY IS BETTER BECASUE I SAID SO . . . AND THAT THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!
@Victor Newman
Big Boi is better then Andre!
When you say no one is better that is cool your opinion but I think I can name 10 off the top of my head. No hate just my opinion.
One
Posted by: Victor Newman at February 27, 2007 9:17 AM
Peace to the boy Vic.
I did forget Cham...my bad. Killer Mike too, I fucks with him.
Jody Breeze is hot. But I don't have enough of his stuff to give him that stamp.
Never heard of T-Rock.
Face isn't "out" anymore so that's why I left him off. But of course he makes the cut.
Bun-B is too back and forth with it for me. He'll drop a gem, then relapse with the same ol shit. I like him though...but I think Pimp C is wack.
Luda? Probably as close as it gets for the current crop of MC's from the South.
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 9:03 AM
LUDA CAN FREESTYLES HIS ASS OFF TOO
With a quote like that, theres really not much left to say. Rappers are actors who pretend to be an MC and an MC is what a rapper wishes they could be.
Rappers are puppets for Corporate America.
MC's are ghetto story tellers who's every verse has a hidden message.
Rappers one dimensional who can only speak about materialism.
MC's can speak about any and everything and can draw vivid mental imagines of exactly wat they're talking about.
And duke uptop was right Jay-Z is as good as an MC as he is a rapper. He can switch it up 4 the pop fans and still come hard for the grass roots. REal Talk!
PEACE II THE USUALS!
BROOKLYN STAND UP!
Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at February 27, 2007 8:00 AM
REAL TALK
Xclusive BK
The industry is trying 2 make the MC obsolete, nowaday U don't even need 2 possess skills 2 be a rapper, just a criminal record and a couple of bullet holes
SUSPECTS STAND UP!!!!
as 4 mentioning Chicago Hip Hop, niggas up here don't know the meaning of the word unity, we shoulda been on the map way B4 the south, no disrespect, becuz I know how sensitive some of y'all get, but Common, Twista & Brat opened the door, but nobody tried 2 keep it open.
any of ya'll see hip hop honors pay a damn tribute to jay z!! I wonder why the hell not!! Stop acting dumb ya'll know why.
Don't turn this into who is better Nas or Jay-Z.
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:15 AM
TOO LATE - THANKS TO ME!!!
MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
@Ciceroe
Craeful what you say about UGK. People wanted my fuckin head when I said some sidewayz shit about them. I thought people were related to them dudes.
One
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:20 AM
It's all good dude, but if you get all 10 of them on the same record what do you think will happen, and if you think Big Boi is better it's cool... when they are together on a track it's like hering Pac and Biggie on a track, and when you get them apart i think that Lyrically andre shines, for the simple fact that andre can rap about anything big boi can too but you often hear the about materialstic things in his songs every once and a while. plus i think think andre is better than big because when you hear big boi rap it's like his flow sound's almost the same on every verse but the lyrics are always fire. and andre can switch it up to being lyrical when he's rappin or when he's singing.
but all in all, i think they are the best two rappers in the game and i personally believe that they are very much recoginzed in the rap game but verry under rated.
Posted by: LOL - THE MASTER DEBATER at February 27, 2007 9:19 AM
WITH ALBUMBS LIKE THE FIRM & THE ONE YOU MENTIONED - BASCALLY PUTTING OUT TRASH.
-What? The Firm album was hot. Yall trippin.
HOW IS NAS MORE CONSISTANT IF HE CAN'T DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO BE A THUG/DEALER IN THIS RHYME OR A BLACK PANTHER IN THIS RHYME. I FIND THAT I TELL PEOPLE LIKE THIS IN LIFE "NIGGA PLEASE" ALOT.
-See, I think that's a charge my man doesn't deserve. EVERY MC contradicts himself in his rhymes. They're human, name me one MC that hasn't and we can debate that further.
ANSWER ME THIS: IF YOU WAS ON AN ISLAND AND YOU HAD A CHOICE OF BRINGING EITHER A JAY-Z CD OR A NAS CD - WHICH WOULD YOU BRING?
-What? Stillmatic all day.
THE ONLY REASON WE TALK ABOUT NAS IS BECASUE OF JAY-Z. IF THEM THOSE DIDN'T GO AT IT, MOST LIKELY WE WOULDN'T NOT HAVE GOT A GREAT ALBUM LIKE STILLMATIC
- WE WOULD PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER WEAK ASS NASTRADAMUS ALBUM.
-Could be true, but we'll never know. Like I said, I do think Jay helped Nas get re-focused.
JAY IS ALSO BETTER BECASEU WHEN YOU WAS TALKING ABOUT ALBUMS, YOU COULD EVEN MENTION A WAS JAY ALBUM
-Haha, aight fam. Reasonable Doubt was hot. Blueprint was aight. Blueprint 2 was one step past being wack. Black Album is my favorite Jay album (that's that shit).
Kingdom Come is fire.
My favorite Jay track is "Meet the Parents". Cool?
PLUS JAY IS BETTER BECASUE I SAID SO . . . AND THAT THE BOTTOM LINE!!!!
-........ok?
I thought he was going to bring some "yo mama" jokes next.
Wack.
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 9:18 AM
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NIGGA PLEASE
NAS DIDN'T STOOP TO THAT LEVEL WITH LINES LIKE
"BIGGIE RHYMES OUT OF YOUR FAT LIPS"
HE CALLED IN UGLY TOO - IF THAT'S NOT CHILDISH I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS
HOW IS NAS MORE CONSISTANT IF HE CAN'T DECIDE IF HE WANTS TO BE A THUG/DEALER IN THIS RHYME OR A BLACK PANTHER IN THIS RHYME. I FIND THAT I TELL PEOPLE LIKE THIS IN LIFE "NIGGA PLEASE" ALOT.
Posted by: LOL - THE MASTER DEBATER at February 27, 2007 9:19 AM
What about Pac?, he's just as guilty as NaS, he did the same shit in his rhymes, one minute he's tellin' the sistas keep ya head up, the next, he's talkin' about fuckin' Big's skank of a wife & what he would do 2 Big, yet, everybody & they moms say Pac is the Gr8est
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:27 AM
Eddy whatup? Yea, I know. I tread real careful when it comes to them and Tip.
If N-Site was in here she would've been started spraying shit. It's all good tho, I don't hate on anyone, just giving my two.
@Victor Newman
Big Boi is better then Andre!
When you say no one is better that is cool your opinion but I think I can name 10 off the top of my head. No hate just my opinion.
One
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:20 AM
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WITH OUTKAST I THINK THATS A TIE BECAUSE SOME SONGS BIG BOI OUT SHINES ANDRE AND ON OTHER SONGS ANDRE OUT SHINES BIG BOI.
IF YOU WANNA GO BEST DRESSED - BIG BOI WINS
SPEAKING OUT MC'S FROM THE SOUTH YOU CAN'T LEAVE OUT PHONTE OF LITTLE BROTHER!!!!
Why is there such confusion?? 5 years ago mafuckas were calling 50 an emcee, today he's a pop artist. As soon as mafuckas get a little shine or do a song for the ladies HipHop fans snatch away the "emcee" title like its some kind of trophy. I thought emcee(MC) meant move the crowd, right, didn't Rakim say that, didn't Knowledge Reigns say that? Don't get it twisted, I favor Nas over Jay any day of the week but are yall gonna say that Nas can rock the crowd better than Jay? Alot of folks use the word "Rapper" like it's a bad word or something, ie. Jeezy is a Rapper, Jibbs is a Rapper(disclaimer: I am not a Jeezy or Jibbs fan, anyone who rhymes over a beat, or an accapella melodic flow is a Rapper, it's not a bad word. As a matter of fact anyone Trying to move the crowd while rapping...lol....to me is considered to be an emcee. Sheeit..if they movin just 5 people then they movin a crowd, they may not be the best at their craft but it can still be appreciated. It's really not as complicated as mafuckas make it seem.......
Just my oppinion
Posted by: LOL @ CHILDISH RAPS at February 27, 2007 9:30 AM
Yea but unlike Jay, he didn't go and make a whole song about it. AND put other people's names in it (A.I.)
That shit was real petty.
Posted by: Dre Guevara: Student of Shaolin Kung Fu at
You're right on that. Like I said, I challenge anybody in here to name me ONE MC that HASN'T contradicted himself at some point in his rhymes. People keep saying that shit about Nas because it's the popular thing to say. Everyone is guilty of it. Jay too. That's part of the game. As you grow as an artist, your views change on certain shit. Matter fact, that's just being human.
@Ciceroe
Craeful what you say about UGK. People wanted my fuckin head when I said some sidewayz shit about them. I thought people were related to them dudes.
One
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:27 AM
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FUCK UGK - THEY ARE THE 07 HARLD MELVEN AND THE BLUE NOTES - MEANING BUN B IS TEDDY PENDERGRASS AND PIMP C (THE WEAKEST LINK) IS ALL THE REST OF THE NIGGAS IN THAT GROUP THAT NOBODY REMEMBERS
as 4 mentioning Chicago Hip Hop, niggas up here don't know the meaning of the word unity, we shoulda been on the map way B4 the south, no disrespect, becuz I know how sensitive some of y'all get, but Common, Twista & Brat opened the door, but nobody tried 2 keep it open.
Posted by: Dre Guevara: Hip Hop Nigga at February 27, 2007 9:26 AM
What's up dude, hey the south always love to Chicago Hip Hop, besides the onese who opened the doors, we were checking for the Chi.
DO or Die, Crucial Confilict, and I fucks with Kanye.
the south has much love for the Chi, just like the Chi was a part of the south. but yeah ya'll do need more rappers to hit the scene, but look at the ratio though, you got the south when you say the south you talk about a whole region, when you say the Chi, you say one city, same as NY & LA.
P.S. the chi was on the map before a lot of souther niggaz, but at that same time the south was getting bigger.
I love hip-hop/rap and I have always done do, but honestly I can't say if there is a huge problem with the two nor can I say that hip-hop is dead. For as long as I been listening to music, there has someone who was "real hip-hop" and someone who was just a rapper. And for as long as a can remember most "rappers" made money and those who really spit didn't, so it was only natural that a new style that gloried things that people wanted to listen to to emerge, because it sells and at the end of the day it's how they make their living and this type of action is very simlar to the moves that we make in our everyday lives. For example, many people have jobs that they hate, but they work in that particular industry because it pays the most money, so we do the same things in life. Secondly, I don't really think that hip-hop is dead, it's just changing. When I was young, my mother hated the music and she still does, she thought that the music that she grew up on was better. Now I'm in her shoes, I love the music that I grew up on, but I don't really care for the new stuff, however, my little brother and his friends love the stuff. It would be unreal to expect the music to stay the same and grow with us, so in sum, and I'm talking to everyone who really listens to hip-hop, not the people who jump on this blog and recite the same ol hip-hop is dead stuff, but never support the art, hip-hop is not dead, I still have all of my favorite cd's and there are still cats making good music "see rhymefeast and lupe".. and if you keep your eyes open, you can even catch some of your favorites in person, I saw camp lo perform in a hip-hop club three weeks ago. Peace
@Ciceroe
Craeful what you say about UGK. People wanted my fuckin head when I said some sidewayz shit about them. I thought people were related to them dudes.
One
Posted by: Eddy G. at February 27, 2007 9:27 AM
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Don't even do it. Its a dead issue. From Ciceroe's post you can at least see that he HAS LISTENED to UGK, so we respect his opinion on Pimp and Bun, thats how he feels...same we would have done with you...but YOU said that UGK basically wasn't shit until Jay put them on Big Pimpin which any and everybody knows is bullshit...those cats were out BEFORE Jay...get it straight...don't tell it one sided...
ANSWER ME THIS: IF YOU WAS ON AN ISLAND AND YOU HAD A CHOICE OF BRINGING EITHER A JAY-Z CD OR A NAS CD - WHICH WOULD YOU BRING?
_________________
I would bring a Trina CD, cause i dont want to look at Jay or Nas when i'm jacking off.
Posted by: N-Site at February 27, 2007 9:41 AM
Damn...speaking of...whatup ma?
If N-Site was in here she would've been started spraying shit. It's all good tho, I don't hate on anyone, just giving my two.
Posted by: Ciceroe at February 27, 2007 9:32 AM
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Naw Cic I respect your opinion because its obvious that you have actually heard their music...he made a random comment about them and never even listened to their music...you can't make an educated opinion about something you've never listened to...
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So anyways Jay is a Mc and rapper, Nas is a MC he used to rap and mc like jay but now he aims at one crowd of peeps.
Now as far as the south goes, ESG is lyrical and u cant forget Goodie Mob
and devin da dude always has content.
There is a lot of rappers that are lyrical down south. New york has the most rappers so of course they have more and they also have more wack rappers
What about Pac?, he's just as guilty as NaS, he did the same shit in his rhymes, one minute he's tellin' the sistas keep ya head up, the next, he's talkin' about fuckin' Big's skank of a wife & what he would do 2 Big, yet, everybody & they moms say Pac is the Gr8est
Posted by: Dre Guevara: Student of Shaolin Kung Fu at February 27, 2007 9:32 AM
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TRUE - I DO THE SAME AT THE STRIP CLUB
I TELL A BITCH TO KEEP HER HEAD UP ON MINUTE AND THE NEXT MINUTE I'M WITH THE NEXT STRIPPER TELLING HER I GET AROUND.
BUT ON A SERIOUS NOTE - I WOULD HAVE FELT NAS MORE IF HE DIDN'T TRY TO GLORIFY THE DRUG GAME AND JSUT STAYED TRUE
Posted by: N-Site at February 27, 2007 9:44 AM
Yea, I got you. Imma check out that new shit they got dropping. "The game belongs to me" got me interested. I don't smoke but it makes you want to blaze one...
@Vic
I always was feelin Outkast, just sum of Andre's shit has been way out in left feild lately. Still much respect to both them dudes. They rep what is good about Southern Emcee's.
@Ciceore
I think Bun B. out shines Pimp C. on the ish I have heard. When UGK's new shit drops I am gonna buy cuz peeps up hear rep them hard. I need to give them a honest shot.
Where has RAPISALIVE been?
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@Ciceore
SMH...