I was checking out thuglifearmy, and saw this article:
"In Hip Hop pimps are celebrated, just ask Katt Williams; and whores are vindicated. Unlike everyone else who is so happy that the south now has a turn in Hip Hop, I am trying to figure out when did strippers become more regarded than women like Coretta Scott King. What the hell happened? Hip Hop has truly went south.
"Turn on the television and you have Flavor Flav, a man that was in one of the most socially conscious rap groups of all times, Public Enemy, now parading Black women around like pieces of meat to fight over his affection. He finally after 2 more shows of ridiculous betrayal to Black women, picked Delishes who is the poster girl for every Black woman that has a backside. I have had plenty of experiences to show me that Black women and women of color are suffering from low self esteem across the board and believe that celebrity status can become their ticket of freedom even at the expense of pride. I can give plenty of examples of more "Delishes".
"Yes Snoop Dogg can walk us around like dogs on leashes on MTV. Flavor Flav can parade us around like cheap buffoons on VH-1. Young Jeezy can have us on strip poles on BET. And Kanye West can state that mixed girls are the most beautiful women he has seen in comparison to full-blooded Black women. Rappers can call Black women awful names in every lyric that they create. Men associate being a woman with being weak. This I guess happens in all industries. But only in Hip Hop, no one bats an eye. In fact, no one even says a word."
I respect women that respect themselves. But unfortunately, the price sensible, respectful industry women with pride and dignity have to pay for the sluts that plague music videos and record label offices run far and wide. And contrary to Rhymefest's blog title ("What a Woman Wants (Shake That Ass, Bitch!)," not every female likes to hear derogatory, degrading material on the radio. Hearing a couple of women ask a DJ to play belittling, disparaging music and taking that as a representation of all women's views is ridiculous.
1st CLOWNS
These ladies (who don't like how women are being exploited in videos) shouldn't be stressing themselves, the hoes on TV don't represent you, so just do you
Yeah I'm feelin that, I miss the hell out of Lauren Hill. But it is what it is. Just like brothers that killed or robbed someone get more respect than a brother that's broke trying to go to college. It's just the world we live in, the shit sucks.
The women that expose themselves on television, magazines, etc...defiantly do not represent the woman that I am as a individual.....personally, it's all about self-respect, confidence and morals.....
besides lauren hill, there isn't any respectable female rappers wit top notch lyrics
J-roc
"besides lauren hill, there isn't any" respectable female rappers wit top notch lyrics
That was a joke right? please say right, please!!!
If it wasn't I suggest that anyone on this blog that is thinking of responding, doesn't!, it will do no good, just ignore his post like it was never there, the younger generation thinks that rap started about 2 years ago, and quotes stuff out of dvd magazines and print mag's as if it is their own words and gospel, oh wait I am already saying too much! Don't respond!! Don't respond!!
Only place in hip hop women seem to want is being a ho. Whether she rappin, video's , or on tv. and these ho's ain't tryin to change. ho's is so dumb they support all the derogatory talkin bout them by buyin these records, requestin it radio stations, and shakin they ass when dat bullshit comes on, at the same time ho's is killin hip hop by doin this all this shit.
Women don't help their own cause by participating in this. No one forces them to shake they ass in a video or go crazy over some old ugly ass nigga twice they age on VH1. Shoot, women are proud that they get a chance to have lil scrappy spray champange in they hair. Women want to be with the ballers and shot callers, and when them ballers and shot callers tell them to act the fool, they do it with much pride. Women should blame themselfs for allowing that. Shame on you!*
*bobby drake does not beleive all women carry themselfs with such low morals, he's only speaking to the ones that do.
damn...are those shank wounds on delishis' arm?
Talib Kweli said it best, "I don't disrespect women coz I love my mama"
PAMOJA!!!
Yeah exactly the hip hop community is fucked ... dude women aren't bitches ... they're women ...
J-Roc ... come on man ... your on an internet forum as if you ACTUALLY KNOW GIRLS ... dude face it ... if you did ride 'ho's' you wouldn't be on here talking about it on SOHH ...
Why is it in the Middle East women and freedom of speech (the latter generally) are suppressed ... and we as westerners vindicate them for it ...
Yet once women ... and especially black women ... make something of themselves it infuriates the man (especially the black man) ... thats a generalization of course ...
Then you wonder why black women don't like black men when all you fools are calling eachother coons and niggers ... and refer to women as 'bitches and ho's'...
C'Mon people B REAL ... B Real ...
And for those people which say women prostitute themselves out on TV and Magaiznes ...
WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK 99PERCENT OF THESE RAPPERS [notably 9/10 of Jamaica Queens rappers] DO ALL THE FUCKING TIME ...
IF THERE ARE ANY HO'S IN THIS INDUSTRY ... ITS THE FUCKING MALE RAPPERS ...
THEY ARE THE REAL HO'S
Fuck self destructive culture man ... Malcolm X would be turning over in his grave ...
Peace,
Random Tangents
Yeah I'm feelin that, I miss the hell out of Lauren Hill. But it is what it is. Just like brothers that killed or robbed someone get more respect than a brother that's broke trying to go to college. It's just the world we live in, the shit sucks.
Posted by: Strapp at November 27, 2006 06:39 AM
I agree with this nigga...LOL Women did this to themselves getting out of thier place. Reguardless of what the Lesbian bitches think a woman should be BEHIND HER MAN why people act like its a bad thing to be a good woman that can cook and clean while the man go gets the bacon. No one is raising their children like God meant for them to be raised. Men we need to step up then the women will step up. Believe it or not this is exactly what the white man had planned for the black man. WILLIE LYNCH YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what's wrong with men & women both going out and making the money???....why should she just be comfined to the home cooking and cleaning????
This female rapers hot
WWW.MYSPACE./SHEEK3R
This female rapers hot
WWW.MYSPACE./SHEEK3R
what's wrong with men & women both going out and making the money???....why should she just be comfined to the home cooking and cleaning????
Posted by: barbaraa.jackson at November 27, 2006 07:51 AM
You stupid ho.
There is more in life than the choice between staying home and cook and presenting yourself as a whore who spreads her legs on command.
Flavor Flav was the biggest coon act since the days of the KKK.
I felt ashamed of the displayed stupidity and I completely agree with the quoted article.
Public enemy was a symbol for something, the show is a depressing example of how we are on our way to destroy ourselves.
All you niggas are on this racism train but what we do to ourselves is so much worse than any cracker could do.
The majority of our women are fucked up in the head. The majority of our young men are fucked up, too.
Even the cops - the groom killing, 5 cops hotl two of them were white, one latino and two were black. All shot.
Some rappers say that Hip Hop is in a state of emergency, but in fact the hood and the black community is in a state of emergency.
The way we represent ourselves is a bad example to the young generation, because they look up to people who don't give a fuck about anything and play the stereotypes.
At times it is shameful.
First KKKramer,Then 50 rounds fired at unarmed BLACKMEN,now this?????....Yes Malcolm would be a turnin in his grave..2007 people wake the fuck up!!!!
First KKKramer,Then 50 rounds fired at unarmed BLACKMEN,now this?????....Yes Malcolm would be a turnin in his grave..2007 people wake the fuck up!!!!
Posted by: streetlifer at November 27, 2006 08:06 AM
What has thos to do with the topic you moron. Don't forget, one Latino, two Blacks and two Whites were the cops who shot fucking 50 times.
Yeah I'm feelin that, I miss the hell out of Lauren Hill. But it is what it is. Just like brothers that killed or robbed someone get more respect than a brother that's broke trying to go to college. It's just the world we live in, the shit sucks.
Posted by: Strapp at November 27, 2006 06:39 AM
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That's not the world, that's just hiphop culture, and hiphop culture's center piece is rap music. When EVERY rapper stops bragging about how many times they got shot, and how many niggas they beat up, things would change..better yet if parents make sure there kids know that most these rappers are actors, then the next generation will be better off.
If at a video shoot, all of the women refuse to be portrayed as strippers and hoes, wouldn't the concept of 99% of rap video's have to change?
aint u post the same blog like 3 weeks ago? and what does this shit have to do with nyc? get on your j-o-b my nigg
U can't blame black men for the way black women act! Deez women dress themselves in the morning, deez women choose to be exploited, deez women prostitute themselves. Dis is America and in this country we all have the freedom to make choices and if they choose to degrade themselves, then blame them not us!
@@@Posted by: Hoe Slasher at November 27, 2006 08:06 AM
Don't take your filty anger out on me just because society is screwed up....it was a horrible thing that happened (GROOM KILLING)!!...I believe everyone is aware of that, but venting isn't going to resolve anything....!!
Lastly, I never said we women should stay at home, cooking etc...now did I?? maybe you should go back and read the post carefully again...!!
A very much repected and dignified woman in hip-hop is Mary J Blige. You won't see her selling her ass in videos and every rapper wants to have her on their album. She is hip-hop royalty and a good role model for black women.
Peace.
WUTS ROCIN SOHH?
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Barbaara, maybe you read again what you wrote. You are stupid, go back and read your original post. I am right, you are wrong.
I agree that Mary J. Blige maybe the only black woman in the Hip Hop industry that's not selling herself to be seen....I have yet to see Mary on a magazine cover exposing herself to be noticed....!!!
All you niggas are on this racism train but what we do to ourselves is so much worse than any cracker could do.
Posted by: Hoe Slasher at November 27, 2006 08:06 AM
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I co-sign.
AS A FEMALE I WOULD HAVE TO SAY MOST FEMALES ALLOW GUYS 2 SAY AND DO THINGS LIKE THAT...THEY PUT THEMSELVES IN THAT PERDICAMENT! SO ITS THEY'RE PROBLEM!
WHAT WE ALLOW IS WHAT OCCURS!
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You know why women are so disrespected? Because women disrespect other women. Especially black women.
White women don't see the bikini girl in the back of a rock video and say "Why don't that ho got put some mutha fucking clothes on..ol' ho ass ho." Because they understand that this is a business that is appealing to its demographic and attractive women will bring attention to it. So instead of seeing a girl that is being eyecandy(like they are with white women in every commercial, video, movie, and tv show) they have to run her down to being a hoe and setting back womanhood.
Black women are really misogynist alot of time and its sad. Yall will watch a 50 Cent video and talk about how the women in it are hoes when this nigga was half naked the whole video and talking about fucking as many people as possible. Male R&B singers haven't worn a shirt for the past decade. Entertainment as a whole is somewhat exploitive. But only in the black community do we put such harsh criticism on those envolved.
Its meant to be entertainment. Not real life.
And just to get it clear, all the dudes saying the women are prostituting themselves and they are hoes, they are just as dumb as the women saying it.
Walking down a runway in paris is no different than walking by in the background of a Jay-z video. Both are people there to look pretty. The only difference is that in hip-hop videos they get women that are built like women wearing the same thing those skinney 12-year old body white chicks wear in a Brooks and Dunn video.
MARY J BLIGE IS THE BEST FEMALE HIP HOP ARTIST OUT THERE POINT BLANK. HER AND LAUREN HILL THAT'S IT. HILL IS STILL IN THE AIR DUE TO ONLY ONE SOLO JOINT BUT WORK SHE PUT IN ON THE FUGEES IS CLASSIC.
NO DISRESPECT TO RAH DIGGA AND REMY MA. I AM NOT FEELING THEM RIGHT NOW. THEY HAD TOO MUCH TIME TO BLOW AND DUE TO POLITICS OF THE INDUSTRY IT'S OVER FOR THEM.
MARY J BLIGE IS THE BEST FEMALE HIP HOP ARTIST OUT THERE POINT BLANK.
Posted by: victory park at November 27, 2006 09:03 AM
I concur!!!
MARY J BLIGE IS THE BEST FEMALE HIP HOP ARTIST OUT THERE POINT BLANK. HER AND LAUREN HILL THAT'S IT.
Posted by: victory park at November 27, 2006 09:03 AM
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You forgot Missy & Eve.
UGH I CANT STAND MISSY ELLIOT
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And just to get it clear, all the dudes saying the women are prostituting themselves and they are hoes, they are just as dumb as the women saying it.
Walking down a runway in paris is no different than walking by in the background of a Jay-z video. Both are people there to look pretty. The only difference is that in hip-hop videos they get women that are built like women wearing the same thing those skinney 12-year old body white chicks wear in a Brooks and Dunn video.
Go get a library card!! That was one of the most ignorant comments I ever heard, do U write speeches 4 President Bush? U know damn well these women was hoes before hip hop and gonna be hoes after hip hop!! Women want equal rights with stipulations!!! Let's face it black women choose to be hoes, aint nobody puttin a gun to their heads!!
U GOTTA LOVE HUEY FREEMAN!!
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Go get a library card!! That was one of the most ignorant comments I ever heard, do U write speeches 4 President Bush? U know damn well these women was hoes before hip hop and gonna be hoes after hip hop!! Women want equal rights with stipulations!!! Let's face it black women choose to be hoes, aint nobody puttin a gun to their heads!!
Posted by: Real Nigga Slim at November 27, 2006 09:11 AM
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I AGREE WIT U AT 1 POINT! BUT I DONT THINK U SHOULD DISRESPECT US BLACK WOMEN LIKE THAT BCUZ WE'RE ALL NOT LIKE THAT!
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I think hat we associate success with the collections of THINGS and OBJECTS. Making it as an artiste means that you can now afford nice cars, expensive stuff and beautiful women, so they just throw 'em in the video and that gets put out there.
Women have the right of choice to do what they want with their body but they also have a responsibilty to choose a little more wisely.
Shit is just getting worse
That's why I'm only gonna have big girls in my video's.
Thick chicks is where it's at.
As a rapper and a man I can honestly say there is no middle ground. There is no boundary to be crossed. There is no perfect and proper way to act.
We're all adults and at the end of the day, be you male or female you want someone who can work the middle. So fuck all the dumbshit.
These R&B niggas be half naked in there videos but no one complains then.
So let the scrippers scrip.
It's up to you to be the next concious female emcee.
Damn niggas we should be happy, weve nearly got a check mate on these bitches. The woman should be submissive to the superior more dominant male nigga species. I mean come on, as long as its the male ballin you can guarantee the hoes gonna be falling into a worse situation. We never want them to be on our level and thats the truth. As long as theyve got skills in the bedroom and kitchen and can tidy up abit theyve already fulfilled their blueprint of life. Ive got nothing again women, but your main goal should be to support and tend to the needs of us niggas, period.
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LMAO - Wow u gonna catch alot of heat 4 that comment.
Damn niggas we should be happy, weve nearly got a check mate on these bitches. The woman should be submissive to the superior more dominant male nigga species. I mean come on, as long as its the male ballin you can guarantee the hoes gonna be falling into a worse situation. We never want them to be on our level and thats the truth. As long as theyve got skills in the bedroom and kitchen and can tidy up abit theyve already fulfilled their blueprint of life. Ive got nothing again women, but your main goal should be to support and tend to the needs of us niggas, period.
Posted by: teenagemutantnigga at November 27, 2006 09:18 AM
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HOW OLD R U? U SAY SOME REAL IGNORANT CHILDISH SHIT! U MUST WANT A FEMALE WITH NO GOALS! UR A SAD AND DEGRADING LITTLE BOY!
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WATS ROCIN XBK?
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IF Nelly was to have a video shoot, how many women do U think would show up half naked? Nelly didn't dress them so how can U blame Nelly? Bottom line is that Black women have major self esteem issues. It's sad because don't nobody on this earth love God more then a black woman! It's time we as a commuity take responsibilty for our children, our women and ourselves! Stop blaming the white man for everything, they wait for the rain to stop just like us, we gave them this world not God! Black women if U want to be respected then first U must respect URself! People only do what U let them!
OH and P.S. A woman can run faster with her skirt up then a man with his pants down. U do the math. Gone!!!!!!
But only in the black community do we put such harsh criticism on those envolved.
Its meant to be entertainment. Not real life.
Posted by: Rest at November 27, 2006 08:51 AM
co-sign
It's only entertainment. These women have to get paid and if the only way is to show a little, then why not. This isn't Muslim society, it's America. If the only outlet for a woman to get paid in the industry is by working out hard and learning to dance then why not? I remember the late 80's, early 90's when backup dancers were only men. Them cats worked out, danced suggestively at the ladies and usually had their shirts off. It's time out for judgements by all of the self-righteous. Now, when it comes to Superhead or Carmen, it's a different story. Them chicks cooning themselves out for Flav are nasty. A lot of them show no self respect but I'm also sure that every backup dancer on a rap video isn't playing themselves like those broads.
Peace to the real
Men we need to step up then the women will step up. Believe it or not this is exactly what the white man had planned for the black man. WILLIE LYNCH YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: daredevil at November 27, 2006 07:43 AM
I agree with this to a certain extent. Black American women have been carrying the race on their shoulders for a long time. Many of our men don't even grasp the concept of having a wife that stays at home and raise the children, keep the house clean and cook the meals amoung other things. On the other hand it is a white man's dream to be in that position. A black man would view a women who wants that traditional family as a gold digger.
The video ho is not the only one being pimped. The men are being pimped as well and they know it. How many rappers do you think would rather be saying something else, but their pimp (the lable) put the pimp hand down and told them to say what everyone else is saying? I'm sure that happens and I know they feel like hoes for it.
It's not just women. It's all of us on the hoe strole right now. We'll do anything for quick cash.
Go get a library card!! That was one of the most ignorant comments I ever heard, do U write speeches 4 President Bush? U know damn well these women was hoes before hip hop and gonna be hoes after hip hop!! Women want equal rights with stipulations!!! Let's face it black women choose to be hoes, aint nobody puttin a gun to their heads!!
Posted by: Real Nigga Slim at November 27, 2006 09:11 AM
What does women dancing on videos have to do with them receiving equal rights? It seems that some of u here this morning need a political soapbox. If so, change the topic but don't confuse the original. Sure, you have some women that were hoes and golddiggers before they got lucky enough to be seen for a video, but not all.
I have a question.
How would any of u feel if that was your sister or a close family member or friend dancing on those videos?
@ usuals
Goodmorning Huey, Tah, Bobby D, XBK Dude, everybody else. I like the topic I think the issue lies in White America only displaying the Black woman as either a loud mouthed fat woman with an attitude or a Sexed out harlet that can't get enough. I think that we allow them to range the depth of our people on the television and other media outlets. ON the back end of the issue being that this is all young girls see they take that as an example of what Black Womanhood is. If you try to find any positive influence that you wouldn't mind representing you and your culture you'd be hard pressed. We need to redefine who we are and not let Tyler Perry give you the idea of what the Black Experience is. I find myself to be embarrased when I delve into the television these days because I wonder what Bull shit stereotype i'm going to have to fight the next day because some ignorant person maybe even of my own culture expects me to be a slave to the media.
It's not just women. It's all of us on the hoe strole right now. We'll do anything for quick cash.
Posted by: Bird at November 27, 2006 09:28 AM
co sign this statement.
Niggas please stop throwing Willie Lynch out to explain every situation in which we find a segment of our race being exploited. Willie Lynch is a lot deeper than that.
I remember the late 80's, early 90's when backup dancers were only men. Them cats worked out, danced suggestively at the ladies and usually had their shirts off.
Posted by: Easy F Baby at November 27, 2006 09:25 AM
That's not true. There were more male dancers back in the day, but never all. Check out BETJ. Dancing used to be a part of hip hop back in the day, but now only breaking is associated with it. So it was cool for men to dance back in the day. Now, not so much so the mail dancer has been virtually elimated. Further I can't recall any male dancers taking off their shirts. The singers did, but not the dancers.
BIG SUN
YES REALLY, PPL WHO ARE REALLY INTO TV REALLY BELIEVE THE BLACK STEROTYPE, I MEAN SOME OF ITS TRU BUT THE MEDIA MOS DEFS ODs ON IT! ITS SAD! BLACK PPL BASICALLY MAKE MONEY FOR EVERY1! WHAT WE DO IS GOLD OR MONEY 2 EVERY1!
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