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The Fake vs. The Real
Posted on August 22, 2006 4:25 AM
Material Boy
Diddy's "Come to Me" has a hold on me…everything from the beat, the hook, the rapping and the dancing that goes with the video. All of these elements are very different in their ways yet they're all very much the same: They SUCK.
This song is one of the most terrible I've heard take over airplay so far this year, and it ranks right next to "Laffy Taffy" and "Betcha Can't do it Like Me." How did this wack song take over the airwaves? It's too garbage for program directors to automatically want to add it to the top rotation radio list, yet it made its way right into heavy airplay. Not to mention that the joint practically bought out BET's daytime slot and stepped into "106 and Park's" countdown (watch it hit No. 2 in a few -- kids ain't really voting for that garbage, b). This is simply cash flow at its best.
This song makes me sick.
Now don't get me wrong. I liked Diddy when he was real... When he was Puffy. I was feelin' the Biggie thing, the Mase days, the early Mary J., all that. But times have changed and now the industry has been turned into a robotic demon, and pimping the radio as a means to brainwash listeners into falling for a (wack) joint is one of its characteristics. A lot of people have been buying into this scheme, getting the game all twisted up; a lot of these songs you think are in constant rotation because they're good. But the truth of the matter is that most of this music is trash, a way to make a dollar, and there is absolutely no love involved when putting the music together.
"Puffy -- he does what he does. I'm not gonna front, there's music that he does that I'll be dancing to and just having fun. You do need that type of music when dancing with a honey. I think it's all valid, but then it gets to a point where people should admit if they're really down with Hip Hop or just down with the industry."
So which one are you?
First of i'd like to say that i see wat u try to say...but at the same time, nigga stop frontin'...wat diddy's doing is called entertainment...seems like a lot of people don't understand the meaning of that word...you may not like it but plenty of peeps do (me included)...as for the concept of hiphop...well u can forget that too, that's shit went down the day run dmc made that track with them white boyz...if anything, diddy brings a little class to hiphop...some sort of entertainment value into it...and i believe we should praise him for that!!
^ Praise Diddy?
LOL
LOL
that whole statement was unacceptable.
Since when is a display of skill whether lyrical or musical have to be entertaining. I remember when MC's ripped mics so the people could walk away mesmerized by the words they said. Nobody was dancing or partying. Usually, once the rhyming or dj-ing started the party was on a pause, cause the crowd was into the skill set on display. Now, I admit it is a different day, heads just want to Party and Bullsh*t, (no skills required) props to Diddy for capatalizing, but he's soooo far from hip hop its comical.
Diddy smh... he's terrible, he should have never of picked up a mic, who evers ghostwriting for him now, can you please stop? Even though i'm sure the paychecks nice...but please stop! That new song of his is trash too! WTF?
Bad Boy Baby
"Why would you want to destroy something you helped build?"
$20 to the dude that knows who quote that belongs to:
Anyway Puffy is a capitalist plain and simple only thing he love about hip-hop is all the money it makes him. It's ironic bcuz back in the day pre 1996 when hip-hop 1st started blowing up cats were getting raped by these big ass record labels signing bullshyt contracts, no publishing rights, and only pennies and cents off each album sold. And what did our people do???We cried and we wanted a fair share in what we produced and marketed.
post 1996-2006
After all the fighting by artist to control their product and receive a larger share in revenue what does our people do???We complain that the music is trash and it ain't as good of a quality as it was back in the day. Although I agree with that what I don't understand is why can't we have both. Why can't artist make more money off their music than they ever did before and still produce the classic hip-hop we once loved??? Somebody give me some answers.
PEACE!
BROOKLYN STAND UP!
ANd when you People get a cHance peep my question in SOHH Ya Heard!
Yo what's good xclusive? Was it Eminem who said...why would i wanna destroy somethin i helped build....
that's the voice i hear in my hed n he's saying it in a crybaby voice...
PAMOJA!!!
i feel you BK DUDE!
i like hip hop (entertainment) right now!
its just not alot of selection.
i mean that dude on Cassie song, i think its called "Kiss me" he put it down!
he didnt kill it!
he rapped for the beat and what she was talking about. it went perfect together!
its just not alot of selection is the issues....
people aint cranking out hit after hit after hit!
artist are scared to come out cause they think they aint gonna sell!
and record execs agree!
i think we need more diverse artist out!
ex. roots (like) nas (like) talib (like).
were mainly over most of these artist but someone that can give us that feel thats new would be accepted i believe!
puffy is still chasing (though its worth it) the dollar of `95!
Eminem's Quote keep ya $20
Odhis what's hood my dude?
I'll let you know if your right by 12:00 don't want to give the answer away too early feel me?
Can you say PUFFY PAYOLA. Comming in at number 1 for 16 weeks and row is Diddy with "Come to Me". Audience YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! All the teeny boppers go crazy! Richard Colón now that's a real hip hop icon. Dude was crazy with those floor movements.
reason why hip hop is dead... its dead because yea we had a few commical songs played a lot before 1999 but they had some style but once the real hip hop sometimes known as hardcore hip hop with rappers such as wu tang and big pun.came about no body like commical rap everybody was dissing diddy and any commical rapper, so the big labels got fed up and payed radio stations video channels not to play the hardcore rap cause commical rap was being diss,reason why they did that cause think about it if all they play is wack commical music thats what people will only buy.so when you hear wack songs like laffy taffy or that shoulder lean song,, like every sec its cause they label payed to play that more than others witch is highly illeagel .the commical labels were getting diss back in 1999 when real hip hop was being notice , so the labels got together and payed radios not to play the real shit.. and thats sooooo fuc up,, and thats the truth.anything else its just hood talk with no basics.
That Diddy song sucks major ass. Ladies and gentleman that is what you call payola at its best. BET will let anybody buy them out. When I saw that video I felt embarrassed for Diddy. Dancing and shimmying around like some fool. The lyrics are horrible, the dancing is horrific, and the video is just plain dumb. I was still waiting on Yung Joc's lameass to pop up though, you know him and Diddy are joined at the hip as of lately.
wanna save hip hop in one easy step call the irs on the djs ,radio stations,and video networks for getting payola from rappers to play their songs more than others...do it now !!!!!
wanna save hip hop in one easy step call the irs on the djs ,radio stations,and video networks for getting payola from rappers to play their songs more than others...do it now !!!!!
There is a guy who is getting major loot and still keeps it hip hop.
His name is West.
I was still waiting on Yung Joc's lameass to pop up though, you know him and Diddy are joined at the hip as of lately.
Posted by: Whateva at August 22, 2006 08:14 AM
Whateva
You know Yung Joc will be on the remix. Rapping the tune for jack and jill went up the hill. Cha Ching! Mo Money Mo Money! Man my alarm clock went off this morning with that Yung Joc joint I know you see it with the iny miny miney moe tune. I ripped the cord from the wall. Some one please kill radio OH please!
Young Joc music is being used as torcher in Isreal. and Afghanastan.
You know Yung Joc will be on the remix. Rapping the tune for jack and jill went up the hill. Cha Ching! Mo Money Mo Money! Man my alarm clock went off this morning with that Yung Joc joint I know you see it with the iny miny miney moe tune. I ripped the cord from the wall. Some one please kill radio OH please!
Posted by: my 2 cents at August 22, 2006 08:27 AM
LOL...I was just saying last night how Joc has the same elementary school sounding flow on all his songs. Seriously, he may have the worst flow in rap today.
was just saying last night how Joc has the same elementary school sounding flow on all his songs. Seriously, he may have the worst flow in rap today.
Posted by: Whateva at August 22, 2006 08:39 AM
I'm Co-Signing!
Young Cock is pure trash!
Diddy is not hip hop Diddy is pop and that is official- just b/c he bust verse every now and again don't make him hip hop - he is there for pure entertainment I play "Come to Me" when I am exercising but when I want to hear real jip hop and something that inspires me I like to hear Lupe - Daydreaming/I Gotcha/Kick,Push or Kanye - Get'em High/Spaceship/Jesus Walks or Common - Faithful/The Corner/The Food - that's the real deal.
Everybody knows Diddy makes dollars and he don't make sense -- believe that.
Not "jip hop"
That would be "hip hop"
Sorry for the typos
ITS NOT HIP-HOP ITS RAP MUSIC
none of these artist right now are trying create art. their after the dollar and thats it.Its why all the music sucks. Look the old school heads always said the hate commercial rap
and thats what we have now. A ton of Commericial rap. Epmd said beware the crossover, tribe called quest said their not selling out. They were trying to preserve the artform so labels and corp America wouldn't ruin the culture, the music and the Artform. Now we have a ton of Rappers and no hip-hop artist.
Nothings wrong wit rap but people need to realize the music they put out is only a attempt to sell records. Not a attempt to make good music. Which is why none of these artist have anything real to say. It's cool to listen too every now and then but after a while the ish gets play'd out and you move to something else. Real Hip-hop music is timeless never gets old.
Diddy why u cant keep no one on ur label for example:Total,112,Loon,Dream,Faith,Mary J,The Lox,Mase,Lil Zane,Black Rob,B5,Da Band oh shyt Danity Kane..... do u see a pattern here?Ur next DK.This nigga can start a Rucker team with all the ex Bad Boy members.I would love to see this clown get his ass molly whopped by Suge Knight,and I'd be the dude to run back while everyone walkin away and kick the last of his teeth down his throat.P.S. I hate u Diddy u killed HipHop Bytch
Banga:
I'm Co-Signing!
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KSH:
Whats good mami I see u droppin' jewels once again thats whats up.
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If you want to hear some real hip-hop pic up that Fabolous - Loso's Way hottest mixtape to drop in the 06(better than papoose - boyz N the hood which was fire also). Its still in heavy rotation in my Ipod!
PEACE!
BROOKLYN STAND UP!
While were on the real hip hop note Method Man - 4:21 dropping August 29. Cop that people all the fans. Please take your stank asses in the store and purchase it. Stop bootleggin! Support real hip hop
P.S. No five figger discounts either!
What can U do about this bullshit? the labels have spoken, they want "Dummy Music" on the radio because they don't want these teeny boppers 2 think of nothing else but flossing, beefing and acting like a complete jackass, U think that Pussy, I mean Puffy song is horrible, wait'll U hear the other one he did called "Get Off" the nigga jacked James Brown's style of, wait, does James Brown call what he does singing on his songs? if so, that's what Puff is doing, that nigga jumped the shark when Biggie died, shoulda been him in that suv on 3-9-97.
stop fuckin crying!! that's all this blog is good for. hatin and crying! oohhh this person's garbage wahhhhhhhhh! damn bunch of babies. just dont listen to the damn radio and quit crying.
While were on the real hip hop note Method Man - 4:21 dropping August 29. Cop that people all the fans. Please take your stank asses in the store and purchase it. Stop bootleggin! Support real hip hop
P.S. No five figger discounts either!
Posted by: my 2 cents at August 22, 2006 08:56 AM
I never bootleg GOOD artists. So I'm with you on that.
my 2 cents......
I am patiently waiting 4 that new Method Man 2 drop, he has my 12.99 when it comes out
WU TANG 4EVA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno. I like the song. I think that there are just some songs that we need to have. Not everything needs to be hardcore. I like that PUFF brings a certain club element to the scene. He comes from dancing. I wouldn't believe him if he came out on some shoot em bang bang. He does what he does. I don't think he's hurting or helping hip hop.
Xclusive BK Dude:
Hey luv. What up? I had stop buy and put my 2 cents in. I had to special order that Loso's Way and Pun's Capital Punishment but I picked up Ryhmefest and Pun's Yeah Baby. Now I am feenin for Lupe - Food and Liqour is my kind of party :-). I gotta pick up Outkast's Idlewild today - I have very CD they ever did and I still kill Aquemni in my car - rapping is cool but hip hop is so different - and somewhere along the way everybody wanted to bust a verse - Madonna/Gwen/Diddy (the new one)/K-Fed- but that don't mean it's Hip Hop - we gotta stop denegrating the name. Call it what it is - Hip Hop tells a story in metaphoric poetic pieces that make you listen over and over to make sure you get the story right - radio and tv has been sleeping on Hip Hop - eeerrrthing wants to be hip hop but it is not - it is mostly Pop - calling it like i see it.
Xclusive BK Dude
Paps real hot shit is his older mixtapes
Beast from the east (This is just raw ass lyrics)
Threat and a Promise
A Bootlegger's Nightmare
But I have to check out that fab mixtape your speaking of
What up Rocky,
That is true. Diddiy song is a club song. I like it b/c it is classic of the new Diddy. I hate what he did to 8Ball and MJG but at some point music buyers gotta get off that band wagon. Diddy has some elements of hip hop in him but he put that on hold to capitalize on the moment and at the moment teeny boppers are fawning over white chocolate and everybody's got's their hand in the cookie jar. This ain't hip hop this is pure Pop!
I'm definitly gonna cop that new Method Man. Just for the fact he ain't getting no promo.
Can't wait for Redman though.
KHS
Just go to that link to download fabs mixtape.
http://www.datpiff.com/Fabolous-Losos-Way---Rise-to-Power-mid292.html
That Dude 4 President
Co sign on the Method Man! My ipod is gonna be on fire when I am done for the summer.
KSH,
Television has been using Hip Hop 2 sell products for a while, therefore, the media never sleeps especially if it's something they could profit from, look at the NFL, they won't let another Hip Hop artist do another Super Bowl Halftime show after that faggot pulled out Janet's titty, yet they will use Hip Hop songs 2 go into commercial breaks, or when they're doing a feature on a player, same thing with the NBA, they won't let A.I. or anyone else who loves Hip Hop wear what they want 2 wear 2 the games, meanwhile, the owners of these teams probably have children who dress the same way, what is so mencaing about somebody wearing jeans, Tims and jewelry on the sidelines? now it's at the point where these labels tell the artists what they can rhyme about, or what image they can portray.
Hip Hop tells a story in metaphoric poetic pieces that make you listen over and over to make sure you get the story right
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 09:09 AM
DAMN MORE JEWELS!
Sweetheart I like yo style and that Outcast is definitely in my site as well, I'm also feenin' for that new Ludacris LP. And Lupe is a problem I'm hoping he link up with my dude Chamillionaire on a track that'll be crazy! Yes hip-hop ain't dead its just pop is whats hot right now and unfortunately the people making the pop tunes are the same complexion as me and you so it gets misconstrued as being hip-hop. Talk about racial profiling!
just dont listen to the damn radio and quit crying.
Posted by: bigced at August 22, 2006 09:00 AM
been doin that since dead prez did that song turn off the radio....that shit was a banga n a half duke....
i haven't heard this song by puffy but i never heard a song by him that i liked....
@XclusivelyBK....1200h yo time gon be 2000h n i plan to be home watching the practice so imma catch the answer tomorrow....later yall i will be gettin off work in 40mins....
PAMOJA!!! Naj where u @?
Odhis the answer was eminem.
And get home safe fam. Lata
All i'm going to say is that I'm glad that crap ass diddy song don't get played in chicago.....This decline in "GOOD" music is rediculous.
my 2 cents:
Good looking out! Okay I gotta download now b/c I trust you all so much that I did not even listen to one verse b4 I ordered it! Thanks
Talk about racial profiling!
Posted by: Xclusive BK Dude at August 22, 2006 09:21 AM
You dropping gems yourself and I love jewels...you get exactly where I am coming from just b/c "we" are making the music and our name is on it don't mean it is hip hop - 75% of these niccas are pop right now. So they keep saying that hip hop is evolving - NO NICCA - hip hop ain't changed - artist have!
I like Luda too. His beats are crazy.
I like that everyone on here that feels the real hiphop(i'm bumping Das Efx right now...oh the good old days..*sees wavy lines then snaps out of it*) is feenin fo the new Meth....
all i pray is that it's not like the last one coz that ish....the prequel....was absolute rubbish n i was so let down.....I only bump the joint that had Ghost on it...went kinda like....
woke up in the mornin like 10 a.m/ walk past the listerine/ went straight for the gin/ osama bin laden on my chinny chin chin/ yo Meth the mailman/ yo Ghost let him in/ will u sign mr.ghostface/ package fo yo friend yeah/
that joint was a problem i always played it on saturday mornings when i would wake up still drunk....
i need that n not the other songs he put on there..
PAMOJA!!!
my 2 cents:
Good looking out! Okay I gotta download now b/c I trust you all so much that I did not even listen to one verse b4 I ordered it! Thanks
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 09:26 AM
No prob! I'm downloading now as we speak. Xclusive BK Dude keeps referencing it so I'm gonna see what's up
@ Xclusive
I got Loso's way
Just the intro freestyle alone was enough for me
but Some Say is the sickest joint
or the one wit Paul Cain and Biggie
don't know if you feeling G Unit
doesn't really affect me
but Banks last mixtape is sick too.
hiphopgame gets alot of xclusive ish on their site before it hits mixtapes
Odhis
Das Efx was the shit! Dead Serious was the album man
Peace to Rocky, That Dude for president, KSH, Xclusive BK Dude, my 2 cent and the folks who will come on later like Black Friday, E. Fraizer, bxconnect, BlazeMcherbs, Karess, Odemic mega 1 and the kid Banga and everyone else...
First of all I agree with Rocky that you have to some of these types of songs on the radio...I see them as fillers....
However, I also agree with Reckless. The art I love called Hip Hop is currently in its worst state since it's birth. It lacks creativity and substance. I don't think that artists are just that...artists.
Today its all about sales and no one cares about the art it self. I see the Art of Hip Hop like I see Jazz. It's a music genre that has a select few listeners and these listeners are people who appreciate beats, lyrics and substance. Those who prefer real Hip Hop are people of substance just as Jazz listners are.
Rap is the bullshit you have now. True Hip Hop niggas are in misery because we have seen this current genre of music being pushed off as Hip Hop and those who don't know better think what they are getting is Hip Hop when in reality its Rap Music or what I like to classify to be; Bullshit.
I agree with the Godson Nasir Jones that Hip Hop is indeed dead.
Xclusive BK Dude keeps referencing it so I'm gonna see what's up
Posted by: my 2 cents at August 22, 2006 09:34 AM
My bad son but when I hear real hip-hop which is very rare these days I just try and spread the word. But you gonna be feeling that joint hard body when u finish downloading. The track Baby feat. Lil Mo is fire, Can I Live feat. the Whole Desert Storm team is fire, and Murda(We Don't Believe You) with Paul Cain is str8 fire. And the best thing about it is its a double disc so the list goes on and on I'm just giving you a taste.
My city is coming together to make quality hip hop.
Not just create Bullshit like Harlem and Dipset.
There are a slew of crazy ill emcees coming out of my city.
There is still too much violence on records. Take it slow people.
Don't body yourself.
Banga
If your talking about Mo Money In The Bank Pt 4 Whoo Kid. That shit was fire. That mixtape got me all amped up for the album and they push it back
BigUp2Bk whats hood fam???
I C U!
That Dude 4 President
See that is what I mean when people equate Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake with hip/hop - it is like all hip/hop is guilty by association - Janet is POP/R&B Soul - Justin is POP(corn)- And that is true b/c the Braves and the Falcons - especially the Braves if you go to a game - the ballpark is saturated commerical pop - They have some hip hop but most of that is kid friendly beats they use - that had Hammer do a lil theme song for them- that dam sho ain't no hip hop - People better recognize b/c that in yo ear ain't hip hop - hip hop ain't dead it is jsut hidden!
Xclusive BK Dude
I'm sure it will be fire. I'm a fan of Fabs word play. So far 65% complete I should be listening to it shortly here
hip hop ain't dead it is jsut hidden!
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 09:45 AM
best quote of the fucking day!!!
@ESSEX
Respect
but too many cats here talk about the same gangsta ish
its annoying
i can't tell you how many CD's I've copped on the streets and heard a million gun references and no skill
I support yall cause I used to be in a group doing performances. But I just wish lyrically alot more people cared more.
Yeah KSH that is an excellent quote:
In fact that quote certified your SOHH NYC membership. Congratulations; you are now officially a Hybrid (Soulful/NYC)...lol
Labels say that they put out what people will buy - we have figured out that if you can shove all this pop ish down our throat you can shove some real hip hop on me anytime.
I was listening to Jill Scott last night and my daughter said - Mom I like her voice but if she had a little rhyme in there then it would be cool - so put that Lupe ft Jill Scott on my 9 year old daughter and this morning when I woke up she had it blasting in her bedroom - you can give them substance and they will come - !
I dun think hip hop is dead either but money just says and does more. I'm down in Houston and today is the first I heard about Method Man's new album. Had no clue and that's too bad because I know Danity Kane and Paris Hilton are dropping and been knowed they was droppin. Diddy is just Diddy - he's rich he can do what he wants and in this country rich goes much farther than talent or a poor man's vision. Welcome to capitalism.
Miss Money
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In fact that quote certified your SOHH NYC membership. Congratulations; you are now officially a Hybrid (Soulful/NYC)...lol
Posted by: BigUP2BK at August 22, 2006 09:54 AM
Hey luv!
Oh dam I am so emotional right now. I need to get my acceptance speech together.
Dam yall gonna get me thrown outta Sohh Soulful :-)
But for real I speak my mind b/c I can't see how real hip hop stars sit back and let anything and anybody claim that they are in that exlcusive club of Real Hip Hop - stop hiding the goods please.
@My 2 cents
yeah its part 4
yo anyone know where you can old classic mixtapes
I just got a Ipod
I'm missing mad old music
Miss Money:
It's alternative music now. You have 2 make a real effort 2 seek out and find it. I think KSH's statement is so profound; in fact her statement is so profound that I am retracting my original statement and saying it is hidden becasue it is...
"I'm definitely gonna cop that new Method Man. Just for the fact he ain't getting no promo"
Posted by: Essex at August 22, 2006 09:18 AM
The average 106th & Krap rap stan WON'T cop it 4 that reason.
I'm checkin' 4 Redman 2
Happy B-Day Gza
Xclusive BK Dude
my 2 cents
I owe yall Christmas/Hannukah/Kwanza gift b/c that Loso's Way is sick. I can't download it at work but I can listen to it - the freestyle is heavy on the ears. gotta get it on my ipod when i get home.
Real good looking out -
In fact that quote certified your SOHH NYC membership. Congratulations; you are now officially a Hybrid (Soulful/NYC)...lol
Posted by: BigUP2BK at August 22, 2006 09:54 AM
Hey luv!
Oh dam I am so emotional right now. I need to get my acceptance speech together.
Dam yall gonna get me thrown outta Sohh Soulful :-)
But for real I speak my mind b/c I can't see how real hip hop stars sit back and let anything and anybody claim that they are in that exlcusive club of Real Hip Hop - stop hiding the goods please.
LMAOOO
They are intelligent people over there and recognize quality so I am confidence your membership is safe.
Anyway, these corporate executives have moved real hip hop off the agenda so like you said it is now hidden. You really have 2 seek it out.
BigUP2BK
I appreciate that b/c once we realize that the problem is really not quality music - it is getting it out there - you really have search and dig for hip hop when it used to be at your finger tips. But I am disheartened by the fact that these old heads who know there is a way to profit on both sides - you can get yo pop cash and yo hip hop cash at the same time - what is wrong with that? When Lupe flowed on Ye's Touch the Sky - I had to dig and dig for some info on him - if not for Kanye - mainstream would not know that Hip Hop is Phoenix rising from the ashes - all the cats yall have named on here - naw I can't get out my Black dress just yet, no funerals just yet, no crying just yet - hip hop will live longer than any of this other junk out there - believe that!
naw I can't get out my Black dress just yet, no funerals just yet, no crying just yet - hip hop will live longer than any of this other junk out there - believe that!
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 10:11 AM
I'm Co-Signing!
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Diddy is just Diddy - he's rich he can do what he wants and in this country rich goes much farther than talent or a poor man's vision. Welcome to capitalism.
Posted by: Miss Money at August 22, 2006 09:57 AM
_____________________
I'm Co-Signing!
Damn I don't even have to speak much the ladies are doing all the talking. Fellas ya'll better learn to listen bcuz we have some powerful woman amongst us.
PEACE!
BROOKLYN STAND UP!
See that is what I mean when people equate Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake with hip/hop - it is like all hip/hop is guilty by association - Janet is POP/R&B Soul - Justin is POP(corn)- And that is true b/c the Braves and the Falcons - especially the Braves if you go to a game - the ballpark is saturated commerical pop - They have some hip hop but most of that is kid friendly beats they use - that had Hammer do a lil theme song for them- that dam sho ain't no hip hop - People better recognize b/c that in yo ear ain't hip hop - hip hop ain't dead it is jsut hidden!
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 09:45 AM
Yo! Good morning my normals, you know who you are!
That is the deepest shit I've heard today. Hip hop isn't dead it's just radio-unfriendly. These labels are sending mad money to these DJ's to play their shit and in the end, it's what it all comes down to. I hear all these DJ's using hip-hop phrases but playing all this rap and bullshit. The reality is, the only way to change the trend is to cop the real hip hop cats when they drop. We know they aren't getting promoted but as long as we talk everyday, we'll all know the release date. Go get that shit, make it seem hot, and I guarantee these labels will change their way of thinking. It's kind of like voting.
E. Frazier whats hood my dude???
Glad to have you join the conversation and drop some gems on these young bucks.
BigUP2BK
I appreciate that b/c once we realize that the problem is really not quality music - it is getting it out there - you really have search and dig for hip hop when it used to be at your finger tips. But I am disheartened by the fact that these old heads who know there is a way to profit on both sides - you can get yo pop cash and yo hip hop cash at the same time - what is wrong with that? When Lupe flowed on Ye's Touch the Sky - I had to dig and dig for some info on him - if not for Kanye - mainstream would not know that Hip Hop is Phoenix rising from the ashes - all the cats yall have named on here - naw I can't get out my Black dress just yet, no funerals just yet, no crying just yet - hip hop will live longer than any of this other junk out there - believe that!
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 10:11 AM
KSH; did you hypnotize me and have me pour out all views on Hip Hop. You must have done this and did it without my knowledge. Big up 2 U for the ill metaphors that drop right on point.
All, I can say now are those two words that many on SOHH hate to say which is
I –CO-SIGN
1 last thing
I have 2 sign off and prep for a series of meetings I have today. My first is at 11 a.m. and my last is 4 p.m.
So yall chop it up…
Big Up 2 E Frazier…and yeah KSH did bring her “A†Game today.
What up chilren.
Just a few thoughts.
Diddy's record is R&B, not HIPHOP.
Ya'll are mad over nothin.
HIPHOP ain't dead cuz the MIGHTY MIGHTY O is droppin today, so we've all been SAVED.
Go cop that, and be happy about yourself for doing something to support real music.
As for Luda, fuck him. Chris Bridges is DEAD to me.
Dude had his chance to show Oprah, and the rest of HIPHOP's critics what's really good, and this INDUSTRY NIGGA drops another ass shakin song.
If were gonna talk about what's 'real' and what's 'fake', let's start with this cat.
The alternatives are so refreshing - I'm still waiting on Jean Grae how ever many years later (maybe her time will come). I loved Method Man back in the day but now that I'm djing a club and behind the boards and on the road, seeking alternatives can be difficult because the people that compensate me dun want alternatives. I'm constantly balancing paying my studio rent and tryna seek out music I like. Every week at the club I HAVE to play Dem Franchise Boyz, Lil Jon and all of the 3 vowel rappers - after awhile it's boring to me. I swear if I played Young Jock 4 times in a dj set, no one would complain. Play Common once and the floor clears...at least we know radio programming really does work. Where is Jean Grae?
Miss Money
www.missmoney.net
www.myspace.com/djmissmoney
ernest frazier
How is it that we all educated people on here know that if you promote it like you promote pop these kids will eat it up. You know that gets my blood pressure up - my 9 year old knows the Miseducation of Lauryn Hill better than I do and when she has sleepovers she thinks it is cool to let her friends listen to something you can't hear on the radio - makes me wanna cry!
How can all trends come back and be popular but labels think that bringing back hip hop is not going to work - 'bring it back' ha! it was never gone just overlooked.
KSH; did you hypnotize me and have me pour out all views on Hip Hop. You must have done this and did it without my knowledge. Big up 2 U for the ill metaphors that drop right on point.
Posted by: BigUP2BK at August 22, 2006 10:20 AM
BigUp:
Now I have you under my spell...lol
I gotta see what else I can make you do
LMAO!!!
Where is Jean Grae?
Posted by: Miss Money at August 22, 2006 10:22 AM
I'm wondering about this Jean Grae girl I hear alot of people talking bout her but I haven't heard anything as of yet you know any tracks I should look out for mama???
i dunno...i thought she'd end up wit Jay but then he went and got Lady Sovereign - she may be over with Common and dem but who knows - u already know Trina got dat female top billing in da rap game - there is so much room for a lyrical female but in 30 years of hip hop, Lauryn has been da only one to do it - love to see Grae get her chance but it might require weave and a lot less clothes...lol in which case she'd be fake and not real but she'd make more money..oh well...such is life. honestly i'll take a fake $10 million over a real $10 and section 8.
Miss Money
www.missmoney.net
www.myspace.com/djmissmoney
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
LMAO
Yo u a wild girl but I feel where you coming from. Being rich does feel alot better than being poor I just wouldn't want to get rich by selling my soul(or for women selling their body). But thats the entertainment business for you. People choose their professions I'm glad mines is in IT(technology).
I'M GLAD TO SEE NIGGAS FINALLY COPPED LOSO'S WAY. IT KEPT MY HOOD ON SMASH ALL SUMMER. THEM BOYS PAUL CAIN AND RANSOM ARE RETARTED WITH THEM LYRICS! THE ONLY DISAPPOINTMENT WAS THE BITCH. SHE SUCKS. LOSO'S WAY DEFINATELY GETS MY VOTE FOR MIXTAPE OF THE YEAR AWARD, FOLLOWED BY STYLES P'S GHOST IN THE MACHINE. IF Y'ALL NIGGAS WANNA HERE STRAIGHT FIRE, THEN PICK THAT MOTHERFUCKER UP.
Hip Hop ain't dead, these niggas just scared 2 snatch the mic & tell these lames 2 get the fuck outta here.
Peace 2 the Usual Suspects
BigUP2BK, Xclusive BK Dude, Blaze McHerbs, and our newest inductees; KSH and Ernest Frazier.....PEACE!!!!
What eva happened 2 Gdep I thought that he was tight silly diddy u fuckin up dawg
Peace, The Mecca is on the blog. Sean, Puff, P-Diddy is cool with me. The whole object in the music biz is too sell as many records as possible. Why do you think Nike brought 1's back? Too increase sells. Why did MCDonald's drop the McRib sandwich? It wasn't selling. People we live in a capitalist society. The funny thing is sooo many catz are on here dissin Diddy BUT if you look at his myspace page, he's constantly being Young Juc'd by artists asking to be put on.
Hip Hop ain't dead, these niggas just scared 2 snatch the mic & tell these lames 2 get the fuck outta here.
Posted by: That Dude 4 President at August 22, 2006 10:49 AM
You got my vote for Pres.
Xclusive BK Dude, Bigup2BK, KSH, willysimmons, ThatDude, what's up!
KSH to answer your question, it's just like anything else. We are no longer the majority. Where I work, our marketing department always comes up with these ideas based on focus group research. My team and I get in the field and have to deal with this bullshit. It never works but we grind and make it happen. All these mc's, not rappers, that have been in the game and have all these "homies" should pool up and promote their own shit. You would think they've made enough friends in the industry to get access to their shows if only for an interview. Hell, Ron Artest didn't do an interview without his cd facing the camera a few years ago. He's a baller. I say all the mc's should get together, form a kitty for promo purposes and billboard every open space in the hood.
Man Fuck Diddy i Like Puffy!!!
KSH
You should be proud...Miseducation was one of the best albums EVER...Can't even lie and say your bringing back memories cuz I still pop it in now and then...along with Common like water for chocolate, Mos Def Urban Renewal Program, Sade Lover's Rock etc....
BigUP2BK
I dont care who throws rocks at me. I think Puffy is a sellout and will comprimise anything to acquire more fame and more money....The new song sucks to me but it still isnt as bad as laffy taffy.
Damn, That Dude for Prez, I can't get a shout? I know I'm not a regular anymore BUT I still have my wits with me.....BTW all the NY catz have been praying for someone to bring The City Back; Busta and Ghost tried, but failed. I bet Diddy goes multi-plat, Diddy is The Real King of NY (lol)
What up ernest!
Puff is a savage...How he gonna make the Making the Band people jump thru all kind of hoops to get on bad boy and then let a bitch like Cassie and Young Joc on the roster....Cassie cant sing and Joc cant rap but they welcome to represent the label but He was ready to send the band home cause they didn't wanna walk to brooklyn to get him some cheesecake....And Cassie can't dance for shit...Do Leanne be making all of them crazy ass faces at her?...Cassie wouldn't have lasted 30 seconds at the making of the band auditions....Matter of Fact, Puff wouldn't have made it either...When he rap he sound like he reading a telepromter...He should kick his self of the label..
As far as diddy(no caps for his lame ass)! I remember when I first realized who he was. I was watching a Craig Mack remix to "Flava in you ear" and his ass was co-signing Biggie and dancing in the background. I remember thinking that he should get his background ass off the tv. I'm tired of niggas using rap as a way into the game. Chingy, Nelly, Young Joc, 95 South, Luke Skywalker, Father MC, The Real Roxanne, Dominoe, AMG, Young MC and all the wack ass mofos you can think of should have never picked up a mic.
Soul Train done lost they soul
Just call it train cause the bitches look like hoes
I see a lotta others damn
It almost look like the Bandstand
You ask me did I like Arsenio
About as much as the bicentennial
I don't give a fuck about dissing these fools cause they all scared of
the Ice Cube
And what I say what I portray and all that
And ain't even seen the gat
I don't wanna see no dancing
I'm sick of that shit listen to the hit
Cause yo if I look and see another brother
On the video tryin to out-dance each other
I'm a tell T-Bone to pass the bottle
And don't give me that shit about role model
It ain't wise to chastise and preach
Just open the eyes of each
Cause laws are made to be broken up
What niggas need to do is start loc-ing up
And build mold and fold theyself into shape
Of the nigga ya love to hate
Classic and appropriate
wassup bigUP2BK & welcome back Meccadon, where u been
anyway, i havent read all the posts so dont trip if i repeat some shit....
Nobody can hate on Diddy or blame him, b/c noone is making the money he is or is respected as much as he is, but if u had the chance to be in his shoes (b/c of his entertaining skills) u would... as far as real hiphop, everybody complains but nobody supports...thats my 2cents back to soulful...
Music is entertainment. Let Diddy dance around and act a fool. He's doing him, just like you wake up in the morning and do you.
All music will never be good. Bad music is what makes the good music, good. Follow me?
Look at other products...if a Hyundai was just like a Bentley, would that make the Bentley special or a luxury car? No..
If a cheesesteak from Nebraska was just like a cheesesteak from philly, would that make eating a cheesesteak from philly special? No..
The universe is about balance. Good and bad, night and day, yin and yang. Im a libra, trust that I know everything there is to know about balance.
Btw, sorry about no shout Black Friday, Karess and Mecadon. I try to remember everyone but I'm new to the NYC "usuals". I try not to mention Karess before Bigup2BK. That brother's nose is open and I don't blame him.
Karess:
Don't do that b/c I will leave work and go get my Common...dang real hip hop. Seriously if you let these young kids get a real music they will get it. They insult your intelligence by telling you kids won't buy it; but they don't put it out there for them.
EFrazier:
For real somebody gotta step their game up b/c you gotta get the word out - put yo money where yo mouth is - don't chastize these hip-hop pretenders and then you do nothing to promote the real deal.
Caff
I like the way u put that down...so true.
TIME TALK ABOUT THE RESOLUTION
we all complain but whats
going to fix the mess we have.
Personally I think we have to put a end to the top 10 count down list
and demand more diversity from music outlets that claim to play hip-hop
but really cater to pop culture only.
radio and video's currenly consist of
the same songs even R&B is feeling the sting of being squeezed out by pop culture. Media is now being dominated by a teenage generation and casual music listeners. Everyone's had enough but how do we get music outlets to change their programming
Peace to Meccadon...
Karess:
Do your thing...You know I would not expect anything less from you.
By the way, I agree with you (Again; wow...crazy huh...lol) Puffy is a pure captalist and would dance to country and western music if that nigga thought he could make some money of it.
I am signed off for the rest of the day unless one of my meetings get cancelled. My 11 a.m. got pushed back to 11:30 so anything can happen.
Peace
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Luke Skywalker?
C'mon now, Uncle Luke stays in his lane and does him.
He's one of the few dudes who 'keep it real' with whatever he's doin.
Let's also not forget his fight against censorship. Else Luda probably wouldn't be able to spit his bullshit.
?
See, I'm getting a little upset now. Everyone keeps saying let diddy(no caps for his lame ass)! do him. He needs to do him in r&b. This is hip hop dammit and I say again; I'm tired of untalented niggas using hip hop as their way into the industry. Hip hop in it's purest form is about lyrics, beats, rhymes and true mental dexterity. Yeah, you want to make money at it, but keep that shit real. It's enough mofos that won't cop your shit when they think you're a fucking fake. diddy(no caps for his lame ass)! is a wolf in a shiny adidas suit. Now I'm calm. Get the fuck away from my true musical love. Stop categorizing that bullshit as rap/hip hop. It's r&b! Let that bullshit go fight with Mariah, Janet and Bey. Let the Music Awards promote the real. Stop stealing our shit.
I see my myspace page is gettin mad hits. If you got a account on there, hit me up.
ernest, Diddy himself says that it's an R&B album.
The only person claimin it's HIPHOP is Reckless.
Ahhh E Fraizer...you going to get me in trouble in here...B.
Stop that kid. That is just a scholarly interaction between a couple of scholars. As you vibe on here for a minute you will see that I have sustained interactions with many of the folks of the opposite sex....Just my vibe, B.
You probably could make the same claim for me and KSH or You and KSH...
Anyway with women I am very direct...I don't fuck around...if I am going try 2 pull up I let them know right away...
I must admit tho I do take alot flack for it...
So stop B...lol
Anyway, Karess lay it down for those cats who may have an interest in you so they don't think I am tring 2 push up...
Let them know what you are looking..etc...if you are looking at all.
Aiight I am out before I get fired
Posted by: willyjsimmons at August 22, 2006 11:23 AM
No disrespect to Luke but he got caught up in a larger fight. Sure, he stood up to it and I respect him for that, but it wasn't regarding hip hop. He made a lot of soft porn, got some guys that could studio rap and spent some money on his videos. I know that what he did helped hip hop on a large level, but it was unintentional. He used rap to get into the game but he isn't a true hip hop pioneer.
By the way; peace to Slimgoody...my other girlfriend...
E, U R wild dude, kid...
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Puff is one of the major problems with the industry right now....the nigga is like the devil...I hear he still has Total, Gdep and few other of his early artists stuck in Bad Boy Limbo(cant leave the Label but can't drop an album)...thats playing with peoples lives...He's the one holding up Mase from signing with G-Unit...I cant name anyone of his artists who didn't come at him for him for raping them with the contract he gave them...I see why Kiss wanted to drop a Refrigarator on him(one of the stainless steel double door joints)...
Puff aint really feeling Young Joc he jus selling that nigga around 2 make money i know for a fact he dont think that nigga is hot soon he gonna drop him like he did everybody else as soon as he stop selling look what happened 2 boys in tha hood and cassie bout to bounce 2.
The only person claimin it's HIPHOP is Reckless.
Posted by: willyjsimmons at August 22, 2006 11:27 AM
Yes, but don't believe the hype. That shit will be listed on the hip hop charts if it isn't alreay. He's using hip hop as a vehicle. What's really killing me is, this fool knows that true hip hop heads aren't feeling him so he releases a statement saying, "it's an r&b album, not hip hop". The problem is, people associate diddy(no caps for his lame ass)! with hip hop. For those of us that love the craft, it is upsetting.
Mr. Frazier, don't act like you weren't doin the Harlem shake. Diddy serves his purpose. Even though he's not the most lyrical cat out there, he has increased the amount of people that listen to hip hop. I like to compare Diddy to marijuana, a gateway drug, something that makes you feel good, fun and harmless. However, the more you smoke it, the higher your tolerance becomes and you start to look for something stronger, like Mos, Red, Nas or T.I. Dope M.C.'s
peace BigUP2BK
I'm getting bored with the blogs, if u dont catch me on here u know how to get me on myspace....btw, wheres your page
q
Posted by: Meccadon at August 22, 2006 11:35 AM
Actually, I wasn't doing it. I watched my sons do it quite often. I'm really out of the radio and video loop since about 1998. I go cop a vibe or source to check release dates and cop shit. I go by the name, talk to my homie out West(Chicago) about what's hot and pick it up. I only have recently started watching videos again. Diddy did have me paying more attention after Big died, but I saw thru him real fast. I never hated in the open on him because so many guys have fallen under his spell. Real hip hop heads see thru that bullshit though.
Meccadon
I could see where Diddy was suppose to be the gateway drug - but dam what was he standing at b/c is dam sure was not Hip Hop - it was Pop - can't ever get it twisted. We gotta stop letting people/the media/record labels tell us what is hip hop. Once eeeerrrrrbody stop beleiving the hype watch how it drops. Diddy is pure entertainment to me - that dam song will be in my head and I will singing that ish b4 the week is out - but it ain't no hip hop -that's pop.
'He used rap to get into the game but he isn't a true hip hop pioneer.'
I'm sure if we ran down the list of dudes who 'used rap to get into the game', we'd all be disappointed.
**Looking directly at Shawn Carter**
'The problem is, people associate diddy(no caps for his lame ass)! with hip hop.'
Why worry about them? They don't know their HIPHOP history. Cuz if they did, they'd know Sean's first work at Uptown was with R&B artists.
I feel you Ernest
but I will instead say its pop
too many people think cause somebody wrote 16 bars its hip-hop
sometimes that ish is rap and other times its pop.
Diddy is Pop he's always been pop
everything he does is a publicity stunt. And everything he stands for is pop. So we can't hold him to Hip-hop standards. I think that what people really mean when they say Let Diddy do him he is what he is.....corney hahaha
:0)
so we agree
my beef is there's too much pop on the radio and TV and not enough hip hop and R&B to balance it out.
I think Rap/pop culture is good for hip-hop in the sense that it exposes more people to the music making it easier for artist like Common, Talib and Mos Def to sell more records.
And Hip hop helps the over all quality of the music challenging Pop/Rapper to do their thing at a High level Like a Busta Rhymes
Problem is there's too much Pop and Hip Hop has been squeezed out. Hip Hop artist aren't benefiting from the bigger audience cause we're not getting airplay and promotion and Pop artist are just doing anything to sell records so the quality of the music sucks. The same is happening with R&B. Everyone's trying to justify it from a business point of view sales sales sales, no ones seeing the big picture. These are 2 forms of music that feed of each other. We want more substance from pop culture but thats a contradiction
they're not in it for the love for the music, they in it for fun and money
the only thing that keeps their music honest is competing with hip hop music.
Which forces their quality of music to improve. We need to either start voting on 106 n park or find a way to hurt these music outlets ratings n force them to diversify their playlist.
Banga!
Thank you! If Diddy call that song R&B then he is confused - that shit is Pop - and nowadays Pop can be a durty word - calling it R&B makes it sound good but that is PURE POP (corn)!
That Loso's Way - aahhh shit that is some crack muzik!
THE TRUTH IS, AS WACK AS DIDDY IS, HE'S DONE ALOT FOR HIP-HOP. IF YOU NIGGAS DON'T LIKE HIS SHIT, THEN JUST DON'T BUMP IT. THERE IS AN AUDIENCE ALREADY FOR HIS SHIT. THE PARIS HILTON CROWD.
Why worry about them? They don't know their HIPHOP history. Cuz if they did, they'd know Sean's first work at Uptown was with R&B artists.
Posted by: willyjsimmons at August 22, 2006 11:47 AM
I only worry because of the fact that hip hop is something I love. It's kind of like having people in your immediate family that don't like your spouse. It hurts! Hip hop has been distorted by fads, hooks and fools like (no mention of his lame ass)! Of course it's been exploited but Shawn Carter can at least spit. He also has shown some of these cats how to buck the industry and get paid. I won't say he's sold completely out yet, but at least his albums aren't masquerading as hip hop. (no mention of his lame ass)!'s albums can be found in the rap section at Best Buy.
I'M GONNA CONTINUE BANGIN THE SHIT OUTTA THAT RICK ROSS
Posted by: Banga! at August 22, 2006 11:48 AM
Shout and emphatically co-sign!
We used to have a station called WNUR when I was in high school here in Chicago. They were run by Triton College and they played nothing but hip hop. When they started looking for support from the listeners, niggas turned their back. We have to step up our support game for these hip hop cats by copping their shit. Like it or not, buy it.
'but at least his albums aren't masquerading as hip hop.'
Compare Shawn's lyrical content, to Sean's ghostwriters, and they're not that far off.
Change Clothes and GO!
"Busta and Ghost tried, but failed"
Posted by: Meccadon at August 22, 2006
11:09
Peace Meccadon,
The only reason Busta & Ghsot "supposedly" failed is because dumb mu'fuckas don't want 2 give real Hip Hop a fair chance. Niggas in my hood dissed both albums, because all they wanna hear is these wack minstrel show ass niggas (Not Little Brother, them niggas is the shit!)rhymin about "the trap" because it's cool 2 be trapped in the hood, they don't like 2 hear shit that makes U think, because their brain, or what's left of it, will begin 2 hurt.
We can never doubt Carter's skill with the mic. At least on his albums he's spitting. Lame isn't doing anyting more than prepping for his next video/awards show appearance.
(Styles)
I'm always that, I'm always this
But the flow stay nasty like hallway piss
If you here the P spitting it's a deep ass song
When I die mama bury me wit street clothes on
Cause drama be the threapy, the beef goes on
should've been speaking out of it makes it a lot
But I was fucking wit the savages, kicking the drop
Live for the money, die for my niggas, run from the law
Catch me smoking my weed or fucking your whore
Push my whip to the limit kind of hoping it flip
Throw my clip to the tip kind of hoping you flip
I feel sorry for the crackheads, but happy for myself
So I got mixed feelings about this hustling shit
I keep saying I'm gone quit after a couple of bricks
But I can't stop building and I don't pop children
But I got no problem kidnapping a bitch
STYLES P "GO AHEAD"
SINCE WE TALKING ABOUT REAL, I HAD TO THROW THAT UP
ernest frazier
I hear on that real hip hop love - they are a dying breed - I was born and raised on that and it gets mama blood boiling when people claim they are hip hop. Pop is okay but just call it what it is. Puffy gave us some hip hop but Diddy will do Riverdancing to make that $$$$$$ -
willyj:
Change Clothes and bring yo ass back when you are done. LOL
IJUSTKEEPONHUSTLIN':
Do you have a link to that Styles P?
If so, look out for a sista.
@That Dude
co sign
If a nigga can't yell Heyyyy! when the track first starts and look around to see if anyone else is dancing, they don't want to hear that shit. It's funny that when real hip hop starts, niggas cut that shit down in the whip. But let Young Joc come on. The volume gets cranked and their rolling down all the windows, leaning up closer to the wheel so the women can see their face and staring them down right back. I've been in the mode in my life and it's fucking depressing.
@KSH
co sign
My problem isn't lame, it's the fact that he is using hip hop as a tool. His ass can dance. Go make dance music but stop rapping over that shit, then trying to back off and claim it's not a rap album.
KSH, HERES THE LINK TO A LYRICS WEBSITE. BUT YOU CAN DOWNLOAD THE SONG FROM ANYWHERE.
http://www.lyricsdepot.com/ruff-ryders/go-head-featuring-the-lox.html
I'm SOHH tired of everyone saying hiphop is dead. it aint dead, it's just changing. hiphop wasn't the same from the 80's to the 90's, so it aint gone be the same now as it was in the 90's when "real hiphop" was pop...yeah i said pop. the game was full of "real hiphop" artist. I'm sure that "pop rappers" and their styles were crackin underground (i'm from texas so i know this is true). Now, those artist that were ruling the charted in the 90's ie. Method Man, cant go copper nowadays, but rappers that been buzzing underground ie. mike jones(who?) are killin the charts. shit changes yall ma'fucks need to get over it and quit hating, it's a cycle. there's some punk in this basement cookin up what 2010 is gonna sound like right now, just be patient, all these bublegum rappers are gonna fall off just like yall's "real hiphop"'ers allready have.
That's the damn deal
I'M NOT SURE AT THIS POINT IF ITS REAL VS. FAKE THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING. IT'S MORE LIKE RADIO/CLUB VS. STREET. ANYBODY FEEL ME ON THIS?
you just can't win nowadays. Puffy already stated that this is an R&B album and puffy has that right. He's been behind some of the best R&B project (Faith,Mary J,Total,Carl Thomas) so give the nigga credit to sticking with what he knows. Hip Hop is either too gangsta or its too soft... its to clown like or its too serious... which one is it. I applaud Puffy for finding a way to keep himself in the game for more than 10 years. At least kids can liten to his shit without them going out and spraying the block because of it. Hip Hop is about contrasting styles and Puffy is the king of that shit so he is hip hop. I prolly won't buy the album because thats not my thing but give the nigga some fucking props for staying relevant and employing people who prolly would be crawling threw your fucking windows right now. Make ya money man.
I'M NOT SURE AT THIS POINT IF ITS REAL VS. FAKE THAT WE SHOULD BE DISCUSSING. IT'S MORE LIKE RADIO/CLUB VS. STREET. ANYBODY FEEL ME ON THIS?
If this blog were about staying relevant in the game, I would give duke his credit. But it's not! He's a clown that is abusing hip hop plain and simple. That is the point of this blog not whether lame ass is relevant. I'm not trying to correct anyone but understand this fact. When you hear his name, the opening moniker is alway Rap Mogul, not r&b mogul like Quincy Jones. That's the fucking problem with this guy!
(Jadakiss)
You don't gotta slap me five or give me a hug
And it hurts when you gotta kill a nigga you love
But I'm gone deal wit my enemies sooner
Cause I got'em looking for my solo album like Kennedy Jr.
Fuck crush ice, go head and get your shine on
I'm bout to cop rocks that y'all niggas can climb on
Don't worry bout why I ain't got mine on
I want some new shit, I don't want nothing that you can tell time on
Things ain't all good right now
Cause some more niggas die an turn all you in the hood right now
Y'all can stop acting like that nigga J gone squeeze
Cause all I got is misdeameanors and some ACD's
Y'all gon make me lay something down I promise
And Puff wear scarmas and listen to Carl Thomas
fuck running and hide and we coping more guns
An we coming outside cause somebody gotta die
WHOA!
'We can never doubt Carter's skill with the mic'
We're not talkin about 'skill'.
We're talkin about the exploitation of HIPHOP for financial gain.
Lots of emcees fall into that group.
If they couldn't get paid, they wouldn't be doin it.
Shawn Carter included.
I'm SOHH tired of everyone saying hiphop is dead. it aint dead, it's just changing. hiphop wasn't the same from the 80's to the 90's, so it aint gone be the same now as it was in the 90's when "real hiphop" was pop...yeah i said pop.
@sizzle
Oh you gonna give me a heart attck up in here! I gotta agree that Hip Hop is not dead...but where I get off the bandwagon is that it is changing - nope hip hop can't change - hip hop is like poetry hip hop is like the bible - no matter how you tweek it - it's the same - Money, Artist, Labels have changed - hip hop is still here and it ain't changed it is ignored - Common ain't Pop; Lupe ain't Pop; Talib ain't pop and they ain't changed and their shit don't sound like Diddy's. That ain't CHANGE - that's whole other genre. No matter how you try you can't open that hip hop bubble and stuff anybody in there - you can criss cross the lines with collabo's but just b/c you hear Mariah Carey in Loso's Way with Fab don't make her hip hop - don't get it twisted.
Peace Dat Dude. I feel you. Hip hop is in shambles right now. The problem is we are getting older (hence wiser) and hio hop is constantly changing and getting younger. In addition since we have the first generation of "Crack Babies" begining to come of age, the morals and values of our people have changed. Everyone is indeed "caught in a trap". And it's not a good thing, Rappers with Bad Deals/The Dope Boyz in the Trap=felonies,murder,assault, TERRORIST TREATS (don't sleep), possession, etc. As Bob Marley once said, "Things are not the way they used to be"
IJUSTKEEPONHUSTLIN':
Thanks for the link! I will check it out after I listen to Lupe ft Jill one more time.
Diddy is a fuckin thief. Everybody knows Diddy lives in Atlanta, and he stole that whole entire hook" Do It Do IT Do IT" from a nigga named K-Rab who had a song like that on the radio. Now i dont like either song, but damnwhy cant this nigga get rich off his own ideas, instead of robbing the independents. Another nigga gettin rich off da A.
2IJUSTKEEPONHUSTLIN
I FEEL U! THATS WUT IT IS! I PERSONAL LIKE THE MIXTAPE AREA MORE THAN THE RADIO! MIXTAPES SHOW THE MORE HOOD STYLE! THEY EVEN HAVE THE "POP RAPPERS" W/ THEIR ORGINAL HOOD STYLES!! NAH MEAN! IT IS WUT IT IS! HIP HOP IS CHANGIN AND IF U WANT REAL HIP HOP BUY MIXTAPES!
=TAH=
@ KSH
Thanks for the help. People need to stop classifying everyone that decides to pick up a mic as an mc.
@willysimmons
I think we're both on the same page, but lame and Carter are not the same. Carter has made a lot of cash off the game, but he is an mc. (Oh fuck it)Diddy is a dancer that has made a lot of money off the game thanks to BIG. He's far from an mc.
I PERSONALLY THINK ATL MUSIC IS A DISGRACE!! I HATE IT! I JUS MOVED 2 ATL FROM NY! ALL THEY PLAY IS THEIR TRASH! WELL I TALKED MY MOM INTO MOVIN BAC 2 NY! SO THATS WHERE IM GON B SOON! THANK GOD!
=TAH=
Whoever writes these posts must like that new song "HATER" by the BAD GUY. Everytime I read this dudes posts hes always hating on someone. I'm not the biggest Puffy fan either, but if you can't admit that the beat / hook that his song "Come to Me" are hot
Man Ernest,
I'll give U a prime example
8/12/06
I went 2 cee the Wu Tang Clan @ the Congress Theater, there were more coloreds and Latinos there that Black people, Kanye West was having the "G.O.O.D. Music Review" right after the Wu Tang show, I ceen notheing but Black people in line 4 that show, come 2 find out, the Wu Tang concert was never promoted on the radio, but they promoted Kanye like he was going to prison, not dissin' Ye', but most cats I told about it, were upset that they did'nt even plug it on the radio, ain't no equality in the music industry.
Posted by: TahJack50n at August 22, 2006 12:24 PM
We all know the mixtapes are fire but the distibution of these are limited. You have to cop the label shit because it's the only way to bring back true hip hop.
@sizzle
I missed that shot at the end - real Hip Hop don't fall off - one hit wonders don't live there.
Some genuis needs to man up and Make Art and Money - bubble gum rap, snap music, pop - ain't hip hop - let it go cause this ain't never never land!
Fuck NYCrap, chicken noodle soup wit a soda on da side ass niggaz!
Let's take it all the way back to the '70s, when hip-hop WAS about partying (Remember the B-Boys battling). Nobody was saying anything and everyone was boasting about having things and girls that they actually never had. Sounds like its come full circle to me. The only difference is that back then rappers never had an opportunity to make the money to the get the items and keep the girls that the talked about in their records. Now, if their cd's do well, they do.
Hip-Hop did not become conscience until the '80s. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five brought social consciousness to the game with "The Message" and "White Lines." However, the music was still mainly about "Party and Bullsh*t" until the late '80s when NWA brought in Gangsta Rap and PE brought in Political Rap. This is when rap as a whole, became super hardcore and "threatening".
Let's face it, Puff brought "Party and Bullsh*t" back to Hip-Hop and created a balance for people, who didn't just want to hear hardcore rhyming. PUFF IS REAL hip-hop. He’s well rounded hip-hop. Back in the day, rappers had no problem experimenting with different sounds and different genres of music. “Planet Rock†was different and everyone loved it. So what if :Puff doesn’t write his own rhymes, “The Sugarhill Gang†didn’t write “Rapper’s Delight,†which today is a classic and the main reference for the beginning of Hip-Hip.
The problem with the rappers today is that most, who have a story to tell about the streets, come from the streets and don’t want to give up their street lifestyles and mentality. The streets are not conducive to music industry work habits; as a matter of fact, they directly conflict. Rappers have to be in the studio, they have to create, and the have to put those tracks down on a consistent basis and during the peak hours of when the streets are poppin’. On top of that, they have to do it pretty much on faith, because just like ANY other new artist in ANY other genre, they are NOT going to get a good deal. So, don’t blame Puff because his artists couldn’t handle the industry.
The problem with the listeners (that’s you and me) is that we don’t want to hear someone say “something†if it’s over a lousy beat. The second we hear a track the does not appeal to our listening pleasure, we don’t even get passed the music to get to the words, we just turn it off. Shame on us. Or, should it be shame on the music industry execs for knowingly putting “messages†over crappy beats? At the very least, Puff DOES give his artists good beats, it’s just up to them to say “something†and work hard to promote their own music, which most of them didn’t do.
FYI: The Lox left Bad Boy on their own accord, because they did not like their record deal, not because they didn’t make hot music.
@ernest frazier
YES UR RITE!! BUT ONLY A FEW PPL CANT MAKE THE MOVEMENT! EVERY1 HAS 2! BUT ITS HARD WHEN NO1 IS DOIN TRACKS THAT R WORTH GOIN 2 GO BUY THEIR ALBUM! ITS HORRIBLE! REALLY ITS UP TO THE RAPPERS!
=TAH=
'but lame and Carter are not the same'
Sean has been up front from the beginning.
He's about 'makin hits'.
He's a producer, playin an emcee.
Is that 'good' for HIPHOP?? Is the industry as a whole 'good' for HIPHOP??
I'm not gonna blame Sean.
Hip hop is about substance not style
and since Diddy doesn't have sht to say
Diddy is Not HIP-HOP HE'S POP
just cause someone writes 16 bars that don't make em hip-hop
your not hip-hop until you say something or stand for something
and Mike Jones is a Rapper he's not hip hop neither
They care about getting paid not the culture not the music. There's nothing wrong with getting paid. I'm not hating on anyones paper but If I ain't feeling it I ain't feeling it and I entitled to my opinion. Just cause people voiced their opinions don't make them haters!
It makes them opinionated thats it.
To many of us justify things with Payola we die everyday over Payola
Money ain't everything. I'm proud of puffy's success but I can't stand his music. I respect rap music but can't stand commercial rap but I respect commercial raps benefits. Just cause we ain't feeling the same things that don't make me a hater. I'm all for everyone getting their ppwk. But all money ain't good money. So if your ish is week don't get mad if someone says something everyones not gonna like you.
Real Talk
@$tax
CHICKEN NOODLE SOUP IS A FUN RECORD! UNLIKE SONGS LIKE LAFFY TAFFY, AND STUFF LIKE THAT! THEY ACTUALLY THINK THOSE R GOOD RAP SONGS! THEY'RE NOT! THEY'RE TRASH! NY ONLY COMES OUT W/ BULL EVERY ONCE IN AWHILE! FUK WUT U HEARD BUT NY RAP IS WUT IT IS AND STILL GON ALWAYS B WUT IT IS! STAY W/ THE MOVEMENT! NY ALL DAY
=TAH=
@That Dude
That's the problem. We aren't pumping our money into what we call true hip hop. Them Whites, Latinoes and especially Hindus are copping the shit they think is popular to us. They want our swagger but since they don't have it, they try to imitate what they see. I was the best man in a wedding this weekend and the white DJ had more mixtapes of just pure hip hop in his case than my partner on the West side. We got into a discussion and he was clowning brothers for not listening to real hip hop anymore. A White Cat!
TahJack50n
I am not going to hate on my bretheren. B/c I got mad luv for the ATL but it is so true about the radio it is saturated - and I just stop listening to it. I had to b/c Lil Jon was damagin my brain for minute. Those cats know how to make money not history and not real hip hop.
Banga!
You speak the truth.
For some reason I can't hate Diddy. I have to respect his hustle, that muthafucka got more money than everybody else, parties hard as hell and is a BEAST in BUSINESS.... As foor his Beats, NO. Diddy is still gonna be Diddy, the clubjoint that all the girls like and crowd to the floor, with all of us drunk nigga's in tow. Don't front, Catz be steppin on toes, spashin drinks and shit to get to the dancefloor when "All About the Benjamins" comes on. Don't sleep!
and side note
why are there a million white chicks wit no ass in his video
dat nga is POP
co sign Banga
@willysimmons
I got your point completely but at least when you buy an S. Carter joint you know he's going to spit front to back. I'm not hating on diddy's success, I'm knocking his need to add rap to the front of his efforts. Aren't you the guy that has been clowning Luda? If so, then it's also for that reason that I'm dumping on diddy. He's a fraud!!!!! I respect his rise, I just can't stand the way he got there.
Latinos where on the ground level when HIPHOP started.
Some white boys too.
Let's not get into HIPHOP being a 'black' thang.
Dangerous talk.
Oh you can't sleep on Diddy b/c I think he put subliminal messages in his shit b/c it is addictive but he still ain't HIP HOP - ain't gonna be. Diddy is a business man b4 anything he is all about keeping enough paper to party and get drunk as hell. He don't care about the craft - he cares on his bank account and there ain't nothing wrong with that- just don't use 'EVOLVING HIP HOP' as a scapegot - Nigga you evolved!
Posted by: willyjsimmons at August 22, 2006 12:42 PM
Feel you and stand corrected.
@Meccadon
I agree wit you
I highly respect Diddy He's just not Hip-Hop he's pop culture.
You can't knock his accomplishments
some of his performances are top notch
he do what he do
I just ain't feeling everything he do
too many people use Hater out of context.
I don't like all his publicity stunts
nothing about that is hip-hop
Some of my lack of respect for Diddy comes from his publicity stunts
they voting thing didn't feel sincere
the marathon didn't feel sincere
I think thats what Sohh Reckless was getting at. Like dog Keep it real
I respect your accomplishments but damn dog have you forgotten where you came from.
I mean sht do his jeans have to cost 80 fkin bucks! I saw a T shirt for over 50 dollars. Dog who are you marketing your clothes too...it ain't the hood. Did you forget what it's like to be poor...
Everytime I see him he dress more n more European how many black friends does he still have.. have you seen all the boney WG's in his new video. That nga changed... I proud of his accomplishments but sumthin stinks here
'Aren't you the guy that has been clowning Luda?'
Yeah, because he had a perfect opportunity to change directions, and really spit some 'real talk' for once, and he failed.
He failed, while challenging the critcisms of Oprah about his lyrical content.
He should have just kept quiet, and I wouldn't have a problem.
But he spoke up like he was gonna defend HIPHOP as an artform, and released another booty song.
Banga!
They Market to people who can afford their shit or people who will let the child support get behind so they can look like Diddy.
Posted by: willyjsimmons at August 22, 2006 12:51 PM
I read a lot of your comments on that yesterday and it is messed up. I know that hip hop has to have a balance, but I'm tired of it being distorted. I'm sick of niggas saying one thing then bowing to the label when it's release day. You would think Luda has enough pull to decide what he drops. diddy has the freedom but he's chosen to promote himself.
peace to Banga on your last post, that shit is completely on point.
btw, somebody go get Black Friday out of Houston. He's getting heated with some young ass e-beef nigga.
@Willyj
if your talking to me
Yeah da hell wit Oprah
I still Luda
and Luda gives back to the community all the time and does a ton of positive stuff and has his own charity foundation and gives free performances
I felt Luda was the wrong target for Oprah issues with the "RAP" community
we'll just have to agree to disagree
but I felt peoples issues with Rap
but I feel strongly she was wrong for using Luda as a launch pad do deal with that.
I'm out, peace to the usuals and you know who you are!
I gotta get the hell out of here for work purposes. I'll check back in later and I hope you guys are spitting flames.
They Market to people who can afford their shit or people who will let the child support get behind so they can look like Diddy.
Posted by: KSH at August 22, 2006 12:54 PM
LMAO - Funny Sh!t
I got da million dolla question? Who in NY has went platinum this year or last year?
stax you are a homo ass suburbanite. WHo gives a fuck about platinum sales, puff goes platinum. mike jones went platinum, as did paul wall. Platinum just means you entertained white people. just cause you sell doesnt mean the hood feelin ya shit.
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE HARDCORE, underground mainstream of the 90's? cause 95% of new milleninum rap sucks ass.
No, the real reason hip-hop is dead is because of southern rap. East coast let the south tell them what rap is. I what to see what the big deal is so i copped the T.I King record, that shit had so much hype behind it an dit was a cheap azz album! The south is turning hip-hop out by overloading the market with pop-clubbing songs, and WOMEN don't care they just want to dance, so girls buy those records reguardless of what region their from. Now niggaz what to go to club that got hoez, and to get hoez to come into your club you need the music they can dance to, after that, everything follows suit. their you have it!
death of hip-hop, the killer is the south! boycott southern rap
cause 95% of new milleninum rap sucks ass.
Posted by: MayorOfLosAngeles at August 22, 2006 01:55 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ REAL TALK HOMIE.NEW MILLENIUM RAP IS GAY BESIDES JAY-Z AND NAS EVERYTHING ELSE IS GAY
"Yeah da hell wit Oprah
I still Luda
and Luda gives back to the community all the time "
^^^^You must be a teenager to say something that fuckin stupid. You know everything about luda but you don't know shit about Oprah, go do your research befor eu talk shit, find out what oprah does in america and africa with her money before
i lost all respect for diddy when big was killed.bastard had him in l.a. like shit was sweet.no way out was my shit cant front.other then that fuck him.very shady guy.on top of that his nigga that had his back, wolf gets killed in atlanta by you know who then the nigga goes and signs someone who was down with the niggas that killed him.im starting to see why styles threw a chair at this nigga a few years ago. take that take that.
@Banga!
No, I was talkin to ernest.
Oprah didn't ask Luda if he 'gave back'.
What she asked was 'what's up wit all the bitches and hoes?'
Luda didn't have a very good answer for that.
The conversation started with the use of 'nigga', and went from there. Oprah didn't ambush Luda with the question like people try to make it seem.
And the whole exchange lasted 5 minutes or less, with Oprah agreeing to disagree with Luda about it all being 'artistic expression'.
Oprah didn't 'attack' Luda.
Dammit, anonymous was me.
The South ain't the only ones responsible 4 the demise of Hip Hop, U can't 4get about Dipset with their Speak N' Spell ass lyrics and homo tendencies, plus mu'fuckas who thrive off of beef, like them 2 bags of chips
"...the real reason hip-hop is dead is because of southern rap...The south is turning hip-hop out by overloading the market with pop-clubbing songs..."
Posted by: Zzzzzzzzzz at August 22, 2006 02:00 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
These are ridiculous comments on your part. If you have any real history of hip-hop then you should remember that Southern rap is the Ghetto Boys, who were pretty damn hardcore. It's also UGK, who spent many years not wanting to be involved with major labels, and who are hardcore themselves. And Outkast, who do not follow anything else out there and no one can follow in their footsteps.
What about in the '90s when there was Tone Loc, Sir Mix-A-Lot and MC HAMMER...Pop all the way to the bank. These were West-coast rappers. Don't blame the death of hip-hop on the South, blame it on “The Crossover†(remember that…EPMD).
FYI: Hip-Hop isn’t dead, it’s just evolved to a stratosphere that you can't understand. What you want to hear is still out there. If you want those artists to be successful, then support them. Call your local radio stations and request to hear their songs, request their videos on BET and MTV2. Do your part.
I just heard the song and it's terrible. It's the most simplistic beat and the lyrics is recycle industry trash. It's like hearing keywords like, HUSTLE, GRIND, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, etc and many other recycled words. A little off tangeant but I hate when people take good artists' once said lines and make them into regular catch phrases......so gaaaaaaaaaay!!!!!!!! Back to this song, it's lame. The song's music video is so brain washy and manipulative. And fuck that pussy cat doll bitch, she's like 40 and caters to the mid-life crisis oh no, im 43- I'm still young and can wear american eagle, crowd. FUCK MAINSTREAM MUSIC TO AN ALMOST FULLEST. I should have embraced the double R, dynasty days man. Fuck what they have to deliver.
Dipset?
Jeeze.
Isn't it Reckless' job to bring them up as the 'downfall' of HIPHOP?
Janitor of Los Angeles, take them stupid ass stunna shades off, stupid bitch. just cause you go platinum don't mean you just sold to white people , that means you sold to everybody. white people only buy what they think black people like. jeezy went platinum and jeezy still get love in da hood. so what you sayin?
DIDDY IS NOT HIP HOP.He can take the credit for B.I.G. blowing up,but he can also take the credit for tarnishing his legacy.He is all about the paycheck,nothing more.Even going so far as to signing models with absolutely no talent(CASSIE)and pushing them like they're the real thing.He has become the Industry and he does it just like those crooked fucks who ran the industry before him.And put down the goddamn mic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,only an egomaniacal bitch like Puff would think that after B.I.G. died,he'd be best to fill his spot.Jesus Fucking Christ.It's not all about money,is it?
suge told yall long time ago about diddy bein in all the videos, and jumpin on every song. he said 10 years ago we was gone have to deal with this cat. just imagine how his artists feel. and y he aint put out ness or babs yet. they better than him. he just want to spend money on his music and not his artists. he couldve been making names for his staff, but he just settin it up where in the future if he aint makin no record, bad boy aint gone be makin no money
When niggaz figured out females buy records, that's what ruined hip hop. that's responsible for everthing we don't like about hip hop. in the mid and early 90's it wasn't many songs for females. it was all about bitches ain't shit but ho's and tricks.
@SCARTOWN
First of all, Diddy does not think that he can take B.I.G.'s place. He always says that no one has yet to fill B.I.G.'s shoes.
You must not be aware that Diddy's (Puff Daddy's) "No Way Out" was a "fun" project for B.I.G. and him. The project was started long before B.I.G. died. As a matter of fact, B.I.G. was the initial Executive Producer of the project. "I'll be missing you" was one of the last tracks recorded. Diddy never intended to be the main artist in his stable. The reason he did the follow-up cd's is because he ended up becoming the most successful artist on his label.
Secondly, Cassie had a very strong following with the song "Me & U" for months before she was ever signed to Bad Boy. That's the reason she was signed. Diddy is an industry man...a smart industry man. That's what he was at Uptown and that's what he is a Bad Boy. But, what's wrong with being an industry man? I don't know anyone, who would not take that opportunity if it were given to them. Stop hatin'!
Props to rocksteady...
@ J-roc
Come on now...I was an 18 and 19 year old female in the early '90s listening to "The Chronic" and "Doggystyle" and loved it. I was listening to 2 Live Crew in the late '80s and early '90s and loved it. Why? Because I wasn't doing the things that the females they were talking about were doing, so they weren't talking about me. Every girl I know was listening to that and NWA before that.
LL Cool J was making music specifically for the ladies and we weren't buying it. So sorry but your comment is not valid.
if it wasn't for females there would be no nelly, laffy taffy, ja rule, mase, diddy, young joc, ying yang, chicken noodle soup ,etc.
lil webbie would've neva had a hit if it wasn't for females
if it wasn't for females there would be no nelly, laffy taffy, ja rule, mase, diddy, young joc, ying yang, chicken noodle soup ,etc.
Posted by: J-roc at August 22, 2006 03:42 PM
That's not true. I'm a female and I HATE that bullshit ass "booty music". Not only is it as simplistic as music goes, but most of the time it's degrading to even listen to and it makes me sick when women run to the dance floor when that garbage comes on. Hoes and hoodrats like that shit...not women.
Diddy is not hip-hop! We only liked diddy cause BIGGIE made him look like he fits in. By the time Biggie passed away it was too late for us to hate on him cause he had a few acts under bad boy lox,mase,total,112,shyne etc...
Now that he aint got shit but corny ass young joc we starting to see through this clown. He is the mc.hammer of our time. Shit even hammer gets more props cause he wrote his lyrics
CAts is right..HIp HOp aint dead, Its RADIO Rap thats DEAD...The clture is still there...Just dont let the radio/Tv programers brainwash ya..YALL are right JEAN GRAE is the SHIT !!! She's the best female MC around right now...She's down with TALIB's record lable " BLackSmith" She had a ablum last year called " This Week" and another album called " A bootleg of a Bootleg "..She makes BEats too..She's really the truth !!!!! She did that track with IMMORTAL TECH who also is the Truth !! Indie Rap is where it's at right now...Just gotta take the time to Find the Good shit...
Co-Signing...RANSOM AS THAT DUDE !!!! " PAIN & GLORY is SICK !!!!!
BK ALL DAY !!!! GATBUSH !!
Thekid.
@Zzzzzz
read homie
that comment is intended for that topic only
I respect Oprah but I personally think
as far as the Luda situation goes she was full of sht!
Im not going to go into a ton of details ish is old news
fall back
you jumpin the gun
before attack someone make sure you interpetting it correctly
Cause I said I felt where Oprah was coming from but felt Luda was the wrong target everything I said was within context.
its whatever I really not trying to go back n forth its not worth the energy
be cool son
@ Willyj
Personally I don't agree with Oprah
Like I understand why she's offended but all women ain't peaches and I don't feel Luda exploits women and dogs them out, as a Matter of fact Pimpin all over the world is a positive female song.
The video is shot in Africa n all that.
I feel what she was saying but I know the background and why Luda was pst
and how much good Luda does and she pick'd the wrong target. She shoulda got at 50 or somebody not Luda.
I just feel like by going at someone who is really positive she showed how uninformed she is about hip/hop and rap. I think that might be the reason Luda was so pst. Cause he's done so much good and the way she handled him just trying to get on her show was a slap in the face. I think he might have went from Excited to disappointed to angry when he realized what was going on.
I can't believe Def Jam didn't push Meth's album like they did with Rick Ross. I mean come on it's same guy who gave us Tical the album. I have to cop that LOSOs way but iam try it out. Speaking of mixtapes check out RAE's the VACTIAN vol 1 and 2
ZZZZZZZZZZ A.K.A. SCRAPE, NIGGA DON'T BE COMING IN HERE WITH THAT FUCK THE SOUTH BULLSHIT. HOW THE FUCK YOU GONNA BLAME THE SOUTH FOR THE DOWNFALL OF RAP? IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. HIP HOP STARTED IN NYC BASED ON DANCIN' AND FUN SONGS. THATS WHA THE SOUTH IS DOIN' AND YOU WANNA HATE. I'VE SEEN YOUR TYPE BEFORE. PINK SOCKS, CROOKED TEETH, AND A WANDERING EYE FROM CONSTANTLY BEING BITH SLAPPED. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE BEFORE I EMBARASS YOUR BITCH ASS EVEN MORE FAGGOT
FUCK HAS OPRAH DONE TO UPLIFT THE BLACK MAN? I SEE HER DO IT WITH BLACK WOMEN, BUT NOT THE BLACK MAN. HER FANBASE IS WHITE SUBURBAN WOMEN SO THAT SHOWS YOU WHERE HER HEAD IS. BLACK PEOPLE DON'T BUY $6 OPRAH MAGAZINES. SAD, JUST SAD. THIS BITCH KEEPS LOSIN POINTS WITH ME.
@Banga
'I just feel like by going at someone who is really positive she showed how uninformed she is about hip/hop and rap.'
To that, I'll end it with....
'pussy poppin on a hand stand!'
C'mon dog.
Luda, positive?????
'Pimpin All over the World', positive????
That's just crazy if the standards of 'positive' have gone that low.
I can't believe Def Jam didn't push Meth's album like they did with Rick Ross. I mean come on it's same guy who gave us Tical the album. I have to cop that LOSOs way but iam try it out. Speaking of mixtapes check out RAE's the VACTIAN vol 1 and 2
WUT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING? IT SOUNDS LIKE U READY TO START HATIN
Back in the Building!
O.K. read some posts but not all of them. By the way big up 2 bxconnect.
The consumers are the people who can return us back to the real. I want to return to KSH's comment about Hip Hop being hidden. I think that if we can just raise the consciousness of people the appetite for real Hip Hop will return.
Right now anything that slightly resembles Hip Hop is catching a back lash. Look at Lloyd Banks’ joint. Now this cat is socially conscious but he does fulfill enough of the Hip Hop principles to be called a Hip Hop artist. In every interview he talked about NY Hip Hop and honoring the tenets of NY Hip Hop and got me crazy excited. He said Rakim was going to be on the joint and after hearing that for me that joint was good as copped.
However, he is catching a backlash for is approach to his album. I told cats that Rhymefest joint was ill but homie’s sales are low. This is just more evidence to suggest that the buying public are not interested in real Hip Hop because they have been so program to this Bullshit. We real hip hop niggas have to buy these joints and let other cats know about a joint that is fire that everyone is sleeping on so others can copp it. This one of the ways we can get Hip Hop back in the mainstream and out of hiding.
Now some house cleaning…
E Frazier, look like you scared my homie Karess away with your comments.
Karess keep doing your thing. So what if E. Frazier think U got me open…if that is true then all that mean is you got a crazy flow on here and having me open isn’t a bad thing so don’t stop posting on this joint because of that. Keep do your thing Baby girl. I have madd respect for your intelligence and strength so keep doing you and don’t be a stranger to me either…ya heard…aiiight
Aiight so for the next 90 minutes I am in the building…
Oh Slim, I have not gotten a myspace page yet. Once I get some update photos I will hook up a my space page.
Man I am so glad to be done with those meetings.
HATIN? on who Rick Ross? he's okay with me nice little flow.
IF CHIX WEREN'T PUSSY POPPIN ON A HANDSTAND THERE WOULD BE NO SONG ABOUT IT.
STOP ACTIN LIKE EVERY SONG THAT COMES OUT IS SUPPOSED TO BE POSITIVE OR TEACHIN ABC'S.
MUSIC COVERS DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF LIFE. AND IT JUST SO HAPPEN THAT SOME OF CHIX PUSSY POPPED BEFORE THAT SONG CAME OUT. AND NOW THAT WE DONT HEAR THAT SONG ANYMORE, THEY STILL PUSSY POPPIN ( SOME DOIN IT WITH NO HANDS )
Music is entertainment. Let Diddy dance around and act a fool. He's doing him, just like you wake up in the morning and do you.
All music will never be good. Bad music is what makes the good music, good. Follow me?
Look at other products...if a Hyundai was just like a Bentley, would that make the Bentley special or a luxury car? No..
If a cheesesteak from Nebraska was just like a cheesesteak from philly, would that make eating a cheesesteak from philly special? No..
The universe is about balance. Good and bad, night and day, yin and yang. Im a libra, trust that I know everything there is to know about balance.
Posted by: caff at August 22, 2006 11:16 AM
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^^ ^ ^ ^
Now, give that speech at the radio company meeting. Then, give it again at the major record labels.
Correction this should of said:
Now this cat (lloyd Banks) is NOT socially conscious but he does fulfill
Peace to Mega 1
Rick Ross is cool but the kid out of the south who I think has a chance to be a qaulity Hip Hop cat is Chamillionaire...he is not there yet for me but he does have a chance.
@BigUP2BK- I was thinking copping that Lake & Cormega today but I was wondering if anyone got any thoughts on the Kid Lake. I got the True Meaning and The Realness from Cormega which to me were classics.
i support u on dat shit cuz puffy damn im sick of his bullshit love songs to jennifer lopez and his bullshit screamin on tracks and his bullshit love bands on his roster. nigga put out the real like black rob and g dep and shit. let mase go put out some real niggas like bndh wass hood nigga but now its gay ass shit and his song aint on no beantown stations not even pop so fuck outta here murda mass dont accept dat shit i aint even kno this song b4 i heard it today
HIP HOP AINT DEAD - IT JUST AINT SELLIN CUZ EVERYBODY AINT HIP HOP, AND ITS ONLY ABOUT 20,000 PEOPLE INTERESTED. YA'LL THE MOST DIE HARD FANS, CUZ YALL STILL BOUGHT THAT GHOST FACE ALBUM. THEY PUSHED HIM TOO. YALL THINK ITS THE RADIO FAULT, ITS JUST THAT ITS MORE PEOPLE THAT AINT HIP HOP THAN U THINK. PEOPLE AINT FOOLED. PEOPLE ARE PLEASED. AND HIP HOP AINT WUTS SATISFYING THE MAJORITY. IF U WANT TO BRING HIP HOP BACK U HAVE MAKE HIP HOP MUSIC SATISFYING TO THE CONSUMER. YALL SO STUCK IN YALL 1990'S WAYS, THAT YALL FAILIN TO REALIZE, NOBODY WANNA HEAR YALL B.S. THATS WUT MAKE JAY-Z THE BEST IN NY CUZ HIS MUSIC EVOLVED. HE AINT STILL PUTTIN OUT THAT SAME LIFE OF S. CARTER VOLUME WUTEVER- HE GETS THE HOTTEST NEW PRODUCERS AND SPIT HIS VERSES. METH PROBABLY PUTTIN OUT A ALBUM FROM TICAL DAYS WITH MEDIOCRE TRACKS, THATS Y NOBODY AINT STRESSIN HIS ALBUM
That's not true. I'm a female and I HATE that bullshit ass "booty music". Not only is it as simplistic as music goes, but most of the time it's degrading to even listen to and it makes me sick when women run to the dance floor when that garbage comes on. Hoes and hoodrats like that shit...not women.
Posted by: Whateva at August 22, 2006 04:02 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I co-sign
@BigUP2BK- I was thinking copping that Lake & Cormega today but I was wondering if anyone got any thoughts on the Kid Lake. I got the True Meaning and The Realness from Cormega which to me were classics.
Posted by: Mega One at August 22, 2006 04:35 PM
Mega 1, I don't know but copp that joint, anyway. That is what I have decided to do is take some chances with shit...or do the old download and if it is fire copp it ...if not, oh well....
When you copp it let me know what you think because if it is crazy I will copp it 2....
@Willyj
find the Lyric to Pimpin allover the world
don't let the title fool you
it really is positive song
your funny
but seriously its a positive song
you can't go back to africa and shoot the a video in the motherland if he was disrespecting women...think about it
haha your a funny dude
and as far a Psy poppin
come on even preachers get their freek on thats just being young and having fun. The only song where I feel Luda may have took it to the extreme is Area Codes which most likely is what Oprah was talking about.
Think about splash water falls
joint was hot he wasn't degrading women in that. Even whats your fantasy wasn't disrespectful, freeky as hell but he wasn't callin women Bitches n sht.
Now personally I call you how you act
so if you act like a Bitch Ima call you one. that don't mean your a bitch but if you got a fuck'd up attitude I'M not gonna bite my tongue. I got beef with those that use ish like that for G.P.
That refer to all women as B & H for no reason. I think that is what Oprah
should do a show on. But more than likely she one of those all women are beautiful angels...NOT we shouldn't use that language at all.
Personally if more women didn't have fk'd up attitudes and big mouths they wouldn't hear ish like that so much
I m not speaking for the ignoranthdz the use that B & H for no reason
Karess
Good 2 see you back in the building...no doubt.
Mega 1
What do you think of XXL giving Lloyd Banks' joint an L rating. I thought that was a strong statement given they way they Dick ride G-Unit. I plan of still copping it tho...
That's not true. I'm a female and I HATE that bullshit ass "booty music". Not only is it as simplistic as music goes, but most of the time it's degrading to even listen to and it makes me sick when women run to the dance floor when that garbage comes on. Hoes and hoodrats like that shit...not women.
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IF U A WOMAN, WUT U DOIN CONGREGATIN IN THE SAME AREA AS HOES AND HOODRATS? THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. I HATE FAGGOTS AND LIKE CLUBS - BUT I DONT GO TO A GAY CLUB. SOUND LIKE U A STUCK UP MISGUIDED HOOD RAT TO ME
BigUP2BK
Good timing, I just finished my work...
Hey Ernest Frazier...didnt forget about you either..Takes more than that to scare me away. BigUP2BK knows he's helplessly fallen in love..lmao j/k
BigUP2BK
Good timing, I just finished my work...
Hey Ernest Frazier...didnt forget about you either..Takes more than that to scare me away. BigUP2BK knows he's helplessly fallen in love..lmao j/k
Posted by: Karess at August 22, 2006 04:44 PM
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Very, very nice come back...lol....
On some real shit it is good 2 know that you have some toughness; you need that 2 ride in SOHH NYC....My love...LMAOOO
Karess always give the people what they want....Lol...
PEOPLE BEEN CALLIN WOMEN BITCHES AND HOES WAYY B4 LUDA. AND NOT JUST RAPPERS, BUT WOMEN CALL EACH OTHER THAT. IF IT WAS A CONCERN, Y IS SHE JUST BRINGING UP THE ISSUE, WHEN LUDA CAME ON THE SHOW. SHE COULDVE CALLED PAC FOR THAT WHEN HE MADE THE SONG WONDER Y THEY CALL U BITCH. TRUST ME, OPRAH WAS PICKIN ON LUDA WHEN SHE SHOULDVE CALLED SNOOP, IF SHE REALLY WAS UPSET. CUZ WE DONT LOVE DEM HOES..
BigUP2BK- They gave Lloyd Banks a L rating. damn there must have been some fallen out after that photo shoot. Cause XXL are straight G Unit groupies. But youre right about copping the album that joint "CAKE" is flawless.
LOSOS WAY
L=0+S=O
Faboulous ~~~! hottest out , Best out!
cop that LOSOS WAY featuring. BlEU DavIncI of BMF and
Mii
Misguided stuck-up hoodrat??? Did Whateva say that she congregated in the same area as them? I dont recall reading that.
I co-signed even though I wouldnt say they were ALL hoodrat's and hoes. I don't club anymore because it's pointless and uncomfortable. Just not MY type of scene.
Faggot???? Who mentioned gay people? That I dont understand...hmmm sounds like you have issues with your own sexuality.
IF U A WOMAN, WUT U DOIN CONGREGATIN IN THE SAME AREA AS HOES AND HOODRATS? THAT I DONT UNDERSTAND. I HATE FAGGOTS AND LIKE CLUBS - BUT I DONT GO TO A GAY CLUB. SOUND LIKE U A STUCK UP MISGUIDED HOOD RAT TO ME
Posted by: miiii at August 22, 2006 04:44 PM
And you sound like a young ass undereducated youngin'. So you saying I can't go out with my friends to chill and listen to music? I guess being classy makes me stuckup. Get the fuck outta here! You must be one of them bitches that run to the floor when that shit comes on.
Mega 1:
XXL Dick ride G-Unit so much that I thought 50 was the publisher, Banks was the Editor and Young Buck, Yayo and Olivia were the staff writers.
But yeah they gave that joint an "L" which I can't figure out. I mean I have to ask myself is this joint garbage or what???
While the G-Unit and Game Dick riders are over on Ya heard sucking each other off what do you think Game's joint is going to be like as well as LUPE's Joint...
Everyone pay close fuckin attention to what my man BigUP2BK just said about LUPE, se is dat dude. Papoose is tight, HEll RELL is fire, but LUPE is the golden child.
ONE!!!!!
@Whateva
No disrespect
but I don't believe you
unless you prefer reggae
your lying :0)
I know for a fact every woman wit a big butt hits the dance floor when the booty songs come on.
Don't front
besides if your attracted to who your dancing wit, it don't matter what song is playing.
SHE SAY IT MAKES HER SICK WHEN THEY RUN TO THE DANCE FLOOR. U NEED TO LEARN HOW TO REBUTLE ( IF U CAN DEFINE THAT )
THE GAY COMMENT WAS A COMPARISON. BUT SINCE U SO SLOW LET ME BREAK IT DOWN 4 THE 2ND GRADER............
I DONT HANG AROUND CROWDS THAT I DONT LIKE OR HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH.....GET IT? DAMN U SLOW. MY DAUGHTER SMARTER THAN U - AND SHE AINT EVEN TALKIN YET
Mega 1:
Think this kid LUPE is the future. I like Pap but I need him to grow a little more as an artist...I know he has more to give and I need him to give that potential right now ...but big Up to Pap because I do think he is going to be in the game for a minute...
GOIN TO THE CLUBS WHERE HOOD RATS AND HOES HANG IS VERY CLASSY... STOP FOOLIN YOURSELF HONEY. JUST LIKE I SAID, A MISGUIDED HOODRAT.
if your attracted to who your dancing wit, it don't matter what song is playing.
Posted by: Banga! at August 22, 2006 04:59 PM
Banga that's true...shit I if I am attacted to a woman I will dance with her to a Polka song...
Mii
You can't be serious.. I dont know you and I cant let you go out like that.
If you want to make a comparison...Make a relevant and unblemished one. Can people not observe from television? I guess I missed those lessons being that I skipped second grade huh? Sweetie you dont have to break anything down for me cuz yo shit was stupid. You just seem a little guilty the way your backing up the degradation of women. My bad for being frustrated with our generation of women who run out and shake their ass to a song that says "drop it to the floor ho". We as women cant advance and get respected because people like you wanna be childish and call us every name in the book because we disagree and do otherwise.
it makes me sick when women run to the dance floor when that garbage comes on. Hoes and hoodrats like that shit...not women.
Posted by: Whateva at August 22, 2006 04:02 PM
but you prove my point it's ya'll women hoe's etc. whatever you want call 'em, this wackness exist cause ya'll run to da danceflo and to da store to buy dis shit.
Question:
Karess did you groove to the Whisper song. I hated that fuckin song. I know that I am not minding my business but I think there are 2 camps: 1 camp in which women will dance to any degrading shit that is put on by a DJ and the other camp which are women who are conscious and out of respect for themselves in women in general will not dance to some degrading bullshit.
I also beleieve what Banga said is true 2; that some women will on occasion relax their rules because of the company that is in their presence.
Damn..........good thread. F@ck Diddy, he ain't even puttin out songs that get it poppin in the clubs or anything. At least before you could say that Bad Boy put out the hottest music for the clubs, and in Biggie's case, the streets as well. Nas, Q-Tip, Andre 3000 and others said it: Hip-Hop is dead....but I sure as hell have hope that it gets resurrected, but alotta people in positions of power are gonna make that almost impossible. Shout to BXconnect, Karess, BIGUP2BK and all yall that keep me reading every week on this blog with your intelligent, coherent, and entertaining posts about Hip-Hop......by the way, Lupe is that kid. The Golden Child of the 21st century.....bring back the basic tenets of Hip-Hop so we can enjoy and get them jewels that used to be commonplace in the music until about 95 or so.
Peace 2 JBiggs
Yes I dont want anyone to feel that im an uptight feminist that cant have a good time out of fear for not living a secular life. Im very liberal lol
Im just saying when you act like a hoe you get treated like one. Yea I used to go to the club and yes of course I danced.....but to songs that werent too defamatory or shit that wasnt blatantly simple-minded i.e. laffy taffy or chicken noodle soup. The main point I wanted to make clear earlier was agreeing with Whateva when she said that it's not just and only females buying those albums. Im a female and know countless other women who also think that crap is mindless. Don't confine their album sales and sucess to just us. Women arent the only ones to blame.
@Banga
You mean THESE lyrics:
'Outnumbered by the dozens
at the Jazzfest,
then Mardis Gras all the women
tryin to show me their chests.(hey)
I'm in Jamaica spendin massive bucks
while the ladies all
beggin me to WASH IT UP!
I had sad beginnings
when I rapped with no fans
now it's all happy endings
on my lap in Japan.
I used to think
that it was way too cold,
til I went to Canada
and saw some beautiful hoes'
He calls women HOES, not once, but three times in the song.
Am I still funny?
Ain't a damn thing 'positive' about the lyrics to that song.
karess, it's ALL because of ya'll. ya'll buyin it the most and a few niggaz buy it to watch ya'll shake ya'll ass.
what up willyjsimmons karess BigUP2BK JBiggs and all the suspects.just wanted to give a extra special fuck you to diddy again.cop that j dilla album he was a exceptional producer.i gotta get that this weekend.his beats were crazy.rest in peace to that brother.
diddy i hope you slip on a banana take that take that.
Peace 2 Bxconnect...
My city is coming together to make quality hip hop.
Not just create Bullshit like Harlem and Dipset.
There are a slew of crazy ill emcees coming out of my city.
There is still too much violence on records. Take it slow people.
Don't body yourself.
Posted by: Essex at August 22, 2006 09:42 AM
Quit lying, you once said you were a "backpacker that would stab someone" and that one diss track you had? You contradict yourself in that post.
Call "Diddy" what you want, but when California and "Death Row" were killing the industry, he practically brought the East Coast back into the limelight by himself!..
Give "Sean Combs" his due, he is a black man that has made this oppressive system work!.
I remember when "Puffy" started out grinding in NYC as a party promoter, and doing a hell of a job at it.
He has rose from humble beginnings to amassing an empire.
Do yourself a favor, and learn from this man.
Yes, he has made wack records, but he is a consistent hit and star maker.
Puffy is more of a purveyor of Pop and Hip Hop rather than a B-Boy or an MC...
S.O.H.H. Reckless, that blog yesterday about gentrification was on point, i look forward to similar blogs and topics in the near future that touch base on the ills of our society....
One Love...........................
If you want to give a nigga credit for being able to manipulate others and their taletn for his monetary gain....then by all means, lol. He's a fucking parasite, i dont care what color he is.
AGAIN Y'ALL. THIS AIN'T ABOUT FAKE VS. REAL. IT'S ABOUT CLUB/RADIO VS. STREET. WHICH TYPE OF NIGGA ARE YOU?
we all get manipulated throughout our lives, and it makes us wiser and stronger.
When "Diddy's" artists were first starting out they didn't have a pot to piss in, and he gave them a shot to eat and be somebody.
He leads camels to water but he doesn't make them drink it!.
The music business is probably worst than being a prostitute and getting strung out by a pimp!.
Let's revel in a minority man's success, and help a new generation of minorities become entrepeneurs in this racist and oppressive country!....
One Love..........................
what is you talking about how that song get airplay, let talk about that chicken noddle soup song what and the hell is you all thinking about up their and the video is garbage the song is garbage trash new york new york new york need to stick with the harlem shake stop trying to compete with the south wait another 4 years then you get back in the top 10 fuck that the top 20
The Real shall rise and the fake will fall.......MYSPACE.COM/BOTTLESBABY
this man diddy is a professional rapist, real talk. this nigga just exploit all his artists for dat doe. damn shame coz some of his people's is aiight artists like g-dep and chopper
mann ppl jus be too ignorant....diddy is excutin a style of muzik called dance...just cuz u dont like dat duznt mean its trash...i bet yall ppl dont like country muzik or jazz or sumthin...but duz that mean its trash ?? if u dont like it thn dont listen to dance muzik...the trak is perfectly fine...
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Sean Combs has, is, and always will be a "whore for the dollar." When big died, so did p-diddy. The puffy we see now is nothing but a rich coon who sold his soul for riches. I wouldn't get that p-diddy cd if they gave me $12.99 to just take it out the store and promise to listen to it once.
To Xcluse, I feel you trying to minimize the hatin' on Puffy but on the real, most of his music is grade A garbage. He's just one of those dudes who should just stick to that behind the scenes stuff, he excels in that area. His rapping is not entertaining anymore, if in fact it ever was to begin with. I applaud his money making but Puff Daddy is not hip hop. The last time I was entertained by anything regarding Diddy was when Dave Chappelle clowned him on his skit about "Making the Band". That sh** was too f***in funny!!
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