This wasn't on the agenda for today, but I want to clarify an important FACT about Jay-Z if he were to go at 50 Cent. Hopefully, Jay-Z is reading this and won't body himself because HISTORY has a horrible way of repeating itself.
RAP HISTORY 301
Every day since 2001, we have all gone back n' forth about who won between Nas vs. Jay-Z. Depending on who you like will determine your answer. Face it, this conflict will never have one answer. I mean, to date, people still debate Big Daddy Kane vs. Rakim.
However there are certain facts that both sets of stans must take into consideration. Nas Stans have to admit that Nas was falling off since It Was Written. If it wasn't for Jay-Z going at Nas, he might still be falling. To think there could have been albums worst than Nastradamus. Jay-Z Stans have to admit that Jay didn't finish Nas. If anything, he injured him. Nas healed up and dropped Ether and the rest is HISTORY.
Personally, between Takeover and Ether, I thought Takeover was the better dis record. One fact-telling verse vs four verses of poetic ramblings. There is nothing factual about Dame-Diddy or is he Dame-Dummy.
With that said, I feel that if Jay-Z is going to go at anyone, it should be and will be 50 Cent. It stands to be the most logical and for Jay-Z, the most profitable and the most logical. If Jay wasted his time with anyone else it would just be extra bodies for no reason.
Jay needs to put 50 Cent in a duffle bag. Make him go away. He has to do to Curtis Jackson what he did to Ballerina P but no coming back. And make sure that his band of merry men get the message. However, there is one problem. Eminem.
Hov dont care About Em he would smash em in a battle he's bringin nas on stage he gonna have the Lox out there noone wants to fuck with defjam after he signs roots, nas, jada, styles p, sheek theyll all smash eminem the lox been killin 50 i havent heard nothing from g-unit yet since they been gettin toasted. wow!!! window shopper and emotional was some r&b diss tracks
Em was a battler before Jay was a rapper.He came in second place in the NATIONAL rap battle competition.He single-handedly took down the Source Magazine(BY HIMSELF).Remember,that was the rap bible.I personally would never imagined it not being around.Em's lyrics are fire.Also to mention highly intellectual.Jay once called him in a Vibe Magazine article "The Rappers Rapper".He said he even learns from Em. And dont forget the song "Renegades" from the Blueprint album,in which Nas stated on "Ether","Em murdered you in your own song".Two greats give him props. So you have to admit THE WHITE BOY WILL ROAST YOU.
If i waz jay, i wudn't go at 50, not tht jay couldn't handle tht battle, but shits changed since the nas n jay beef, now if 2 rapperz go at it, its very rare for there camps to stay out of it, and if it waz to escalate to tht point, Interscope wud piss, spit and shit all over Def Jam. True Story!!!
for the dude that said em was battling before jay was rhyming learn you facts jay went at ll back in the days jay is not new to this he has been spitting since the original flavor days
the raw, Em was a battler before Jay was a rapper? Check your facts. Jay was on videos rapping before Em started to rap with his uncle at the talent show. Jay was rapping for Big Daddy Kane, Jaz-O, with DJ Irv. Dude, Em is a great battle rapper, but Jigga is Mr. International Business Man. Nas won the battle with Ether, but Hova won the War, ask Carmen. Em is great, but when it comes down to it Jigga is superior. Day by Day Em's buzz gets weaker, Night by Night Jigga's business savy gets stronger.
like i said before. Em is sick Jay is sick. ONLY reason ( i think ether ate hov up ) EM "murdered jay on his own sh*t", was because of the simple fact: Em wrote.. Jay freestyled. And the funny thing is I can almost BET someone tried to tell jay-z to write a lil somethin down cus em gonna take the ball and run with it. but hes like the hell with that.. did he even listen to the song after it was finished. em stole the show.
wut im sayin is. if jay is gonna go after g unit "singlehandedly" (which is no where near IMPOSSIBLE for ur boy.. its almost a cool lil test of strength), hes gotta be prepared to break his own rap vow to keep it cyphered..
but thats the thing. even if he WERE to destroy em, they'd be like "em is the only rapper that made jay-z write" or some stupid crap like that.
i dont even know why im messin with this at 10 in the morning on a sunday, but this is REALLY interesting. i really hope this does somethin for hip hop. tired of young jeezy already
So is it only me who thinks AZ murder Nas on Life's A Bitch? I mean, AZ came hard and fast.
Em will lyrically destroy jigga, im sorry but the dude has way outdone jay album sales worldwide. FACT: Eminem has sold over 65 million albums worldwide and is the greatest selling rapper of all time, Jigga a great rapper has sold 30 mill worldwide, i don't think its smart if jigga goes at 50 for one besides the game bulshit shady/aftermath/gunit is the tightest and most loyal to each other and is blowing defjam away for about 5-6 years straight its a bad situation for jigga because he would crumble......and em did fuck him up on jays shit (BLUEPRINT) Interscope will smoke def jam period! Fuck the lox its all about paper not cred, music is motivated by money not cred, its the sounds, not what niggas from the hood think that sell. There are people other than niggas in the hood that listen to rap and 50 and em are killin everybody hate it or love it. Jiggas great but even he can't stop interscope from gettin its paper!SSSHHHaaaddy AFTERMATH GGGGGGGGGGGG-unit numbers don't lie mothefuckers!
SOME OF YOU CHILDREN NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT WHO'S BETTER THAN WHO. JAY-Z IS FIRST-AND-FOREMOST A BUSINESS MAN BEFORE HE'S A RAPPER. HE ADMITTED HE DID NOT WANT TO MAKE ANYMORE ALBUMS AFTER REASONABLE DOUBT, BUT TOOK THE DEF JAM MONEY FOR "IN MY LIFETIME" AND DID HIS THING. SO WHEN IT COMES TO RAPPIN, JAY IS GREAT IN ALL RESPECTS BUT SOME CAN EASILY SEE THAT JAY BORROWED SOME OF NAS' FLOW COMBINATION AND SOME OF BIGGIE'S SWAGGER WHEN HE MADE REASONABLE DOUBT. NAS OFFICIAL DEBUT CAME OUT IN '94 AND BEFORE THEN JAY-Z WAS RAPPIN LIKE THE FU-SHNICKENS (THE FAST-AND-SLOW, SPEED IT UP THEN SLOW IT DOWN DELIVERY FLOW. GO CHECK THE RARE TAPES OF "I CAN'T GET WIT THAT" OR THE SONG "IN MY LIFETIME" ALL AROUND '93/'94) AFTER '94 IN '96 JAY-Z ALTERED HIS FLOW BECAUSE HE SEEN NAS AS A CHAMPION (JAY SAID IN "WHERE I'M FROM": WHO'S THE BEST MC's, BIGGIE, JAY-Z, AND NAS) AND B.I.G AS BROOKLYN'S HERO. AFTER BIGGIE DIED THEN JAY-Z FELT HE COULD COME-UP AND TAKE OVER RAP WITH A COCKY FLOW AND PLATINUM ALBUMS, ESPECIALLY SINCE NAS' FAME STARTED TO DECLINE.
ANYBODY WHO KNOWS RAP CAN SAY JAY-Z AND NAS ARE BOTH LEGENDS BUT NAS WAS A LEGEND BEFORE JAY-Z AND NAS GAVE JAY INSPIRATION (EX. "DEAD PRESIDENTS"). SO I THINK NAS REALLY WON THE BATTLE WITH JAY. THE TAKEOVER WAS SHORT AND A GOOD ATTEMPT AT TELLIN FACTS BUT NOT ALL OF JAY-Z RHYMES WAS FACTS AT ALL (NAS DROPS AN ALBUM EVERY TEN YEARS?? MORE LIKE EVERY OTHER YEAR). SO COMPARING JAY-Z VERSE TO NAS' HAS TO BE ON AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD. NAS GAVE IT A LONGER OUTLOOK AND LYRICALLY MURDERED JAY IN EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME, ESPECIALLY STATING HOW JAY CAME UP FROM JAZ-O, TO KANE, TO IRV, THEN HOPED ON BIGGIE REAL QUICK, SO NAS WAS TELLIN "SOME" FACTS. AND EVERYTHING AFTER THAT WAS A DONE DEAL BECUZ THAT JAY-Z "SUPER UGLY" SHIT WAS SO STUPID BECAUSE YOU COULD SEE THAT JAY WAS ANGRY THAT NAS MURDERED HIM WITH ETHER SO HIS LAST RESORT WAS A "LOW-BLOW" TALKING ABOUT FUCKIN DUDE BABY-MOMS, THAT WAS A CHEAP SHOT (JAY CAUGHT FEELINS).
JAY-Z DID RESTORE NAS CAREER BUT NAS WAS ALREADY POSITIONED AS A LEGEND BUT JUST LOST FAVOR WITH THE CROWD (PLUS NASTRADAMUS WAS WEAK AS SHIT). BUT JAY CAME UP BUSINESS MINDED, KNOWING THAT PUTTING OUT CLUB SINGLES AND MAKING CATCHY TUNES LIKE "BIG PIMPIN" WOULD BOOST HIS RECORD SALES, SO HE RAN WITH THAT ASPECT INSTEAD OF STAYING TRUE TO HIS "REASONABLE DOUBT" MENTALITY. SOME PEOPLE ARGUE THAT NAS TOOK THE SAME COMMERCIAL ROUTE AS JIGGA BUT THAT WASN'T UNTIL NASTRADAMUS WITH "YOU OWE ME" BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT IT REALISTICALLY NAS WAS KEEPIN IT GANGSTA AND GIVING HIS INSIGHT TOWARDS THE GAME SINCE ILLMATIC, EVEN "I AM..." GAVE US HELLA CLASSICS LIKE "I WANNA TALK TO YOU" AND "NAS IS LIKE", WHO COULD PUT OUT NAS' FLAME ON THAT????
WELL, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR JAY-Z TO COME BACK DISSIN ALL THESE WEAK ASS RAPPERS THAT ARE OUT NOW BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, HE'LL REALLY BE PROMOTING THEM BECAUSE MOST OF WHITE AMERICA WHO DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIP-HOP BEEF WILL PICK UP THE OPPOSING RAPPER'S LATEST CD TO HERE IF HE WILL HAVE A RESPONSE TO JAY'S DISSES WHICH JUST PUTS MORE MONEY IN THE OTHER RAPPERS POCKET SINCE JAY AINT DROPPIN NO ALBUM, YA DIG?... IT'S ALL LOGIC- JUST THINK ABOUT IT
I thought this was about Jay POSSIBLY going at 50? As far as Em....Yeah he nice, I must agree. As far as him taking down the Source, no he didn't do any of that. The Source has been having internal strife for YEARS(just ask Elliot Wilson, Sacha Jenkins, Selwyn Hinds and other former Source employees). It was bound to come down. As far as that other comment about Em battling before Jay was a rapper; I know you're obviously an Em fan and that's your business but don't be dense about it. You acting like you KNOW these cats, like you grew up in Marcy with Jay or in The D with Eminem. Now back to the 50 thing, Ol' boy is right. It would HAVE TO BE something he CAN NOT possibly come back from like he did Prodigy 4 yrs ago. I thought Nas was done until he came back with Ether. As far as G unit jumping in, who cares. Yayo is garbage, no one pays Mushmouth(Lloyd Banks) or Young Buck any mind either. Besides I doubt Jay is gonna go at them anyway. I know this is dead but Jay going at Game would have been Bleek's declaration as an punk for not standing up after being dissed repeatedly for nothing by this cat.
SOHH,
YES, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE THAT THINK THAT AZ MURDERED NAS.
YOU GUYS ARE RIDICULOUS WITH ALL THE COMPARING ARTIST AND ALL THE WHAT IF'S.
JAY IS ABOUT BUSINESSS OWNERSHIP AND TRYING TO BECOME A BILLIONAIRE.
IT'S OBVIOUS IF SOMEONE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT YOU, SOONER OR LATER YOU WILL SPEAK UP UNLESS YOU A COWARD.
LISTEN TO THE NAS LYRICS ON "WE MAJOR" ON THE NEW KANYE WEST ALBUM. NAS HAS BEEN IN THE GAME FOR 15 YEARS. NAS HAS SEEN ALOT OF ARTISTS COME AND GO. EVERY ALBUM HE HAS DROPPED HAS WENT EITHER GOLD OR PLATINUM.YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GET REAL AND HONEST WITH YOURSELF.
SOHH,
NAS CAN NEVER FALL OFF AND JAY DIDN'T HELP IS CAREER AS FAR AS ALBUM SALES OR FINANCIALLY. IT ONLY MADE PEOPLE WANT TO GET TO KNOW NAS AND WHAT HE IS ABOUT.
ALOT OF NAS FANS ARE DEAD OR INCARCERATED. WE DEALING WITH DIFFERENT YEARS AND ERA OF MUSIC. NAS BACK THEN RAPPED ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE STREETS IN THE EARLY TO MID 90'S. NOW IT'S ALMOST 2006, SHIT HAS CHANGED. ARTIST GET OLDER, MORE CONCIOUS OF THEIR MUSIC AND THE MESSAGES THEY ARE SENDING. YOU CATS ACT LIKE ARTIST DO NOT GROW UP OR CHANGE.
50 WILL NEVER SELL ANOTHER 11 MILLION RECORDS. 50 CAME WHEN PEOPLE WANTED TO HEAR SOMETHING NEW AND THE TIMES WERE DIFFERENT. BACK IN THE 90'S EVERYTHING WAS LOVE. 2000 AND UP PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO SURVIVE AND GET BY. OUR COUNTRY AT WAR, WE HAVE HOMELESS PEOPLE STILL AMERICA, THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND POOR IS HUGE. EVERYBODY NOW WANTS TO SELL DRUGS, GET HIGH,GET PUSSY, AND PARTY. THAT SHIT DOES NOT GET YOU ANYWHERE. EVERYONE KNOWS GANGSTA'S DO NOT LIVE LONG. EITHER THE GRAVE YARD OR INCARCERATION. ITS YOU SILLY CATS THAT BELIEVE THESE ARTIST ARE OUT THERE SLANGIN AND BANGIN EVERYDAY WHEN IN ACUTALITY THESE CATS FUN IN THE SUN MAKING MILLIONS OFF TELLING LIES TO YOU.
AT THIS POINT AND TIME IN LIFE, IT'S SHOULD BE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE YOU ARE LIVING.
SELLING DRUGS IN THE STREET, ILLICIT SEX, CONSTANT PARTYING, NEGLECTING YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. DOES NOT MAKE YOU A CHILL PERSON OR MAKE YOU A BIGGER PERSON. IT JUST SHOWS HOW STUPID YOU ARE!!!
BIG UP TO ALL THE ARTIST THAT ARE NOT MISLEADING THEIR FANS.
As for the cat talking about record sales....sit down somewhere with all that. record sales don't make you tight. They do wonders for the bank account, that's true. case in point: get Rich or Die tryin' sold 10 million worldwide while The Black Album sold close about 4 million domestically(in the US). While 50 1st album sold a lot of units, would you REALLY say it's better than the Black Album or the Blueprint which sold 4 million too? I don't think so. Y'all get so caught up in the quantity of sales that you ignore the quality of the product. Would you REALLY say that Encore was better than Jay's last album? I heard Encore and it's trash even by Em's standards. Stop being influenced by Billboard stats,radio,MTV and BET and decide for yourself what's hot or not.
Listen, if Jay were to go at 50. I promise you no one from Shady or Aftermath would get involved. The last thing that Em would need after calling black women "moon crickets" is to go after a well respected MC. Eminem will not go lyrically attack someone who is well respected like Jay-Z. Eminem didn't even go after Game, why would he go after Hov? G-Unit will, because they have to defend their meal ticket-and who in the G-Unit camp can fuck with the King of New York? Honestly, I want Jay to get at 50. He's the hottest in the game right now and it takes a nigga like Jay to make him shut the fuck up.
By the way, has anyone noticed that Tony Yayo's album is rapidly falling off the charts? After 6 weeks, it's number 87 and hasn't even hit gold status yet. Kinda makes me wonder what Mase's, M.O.P.'s and Mobb Deep's sales might look like in the future. 50 might keep on selling, but maybe he'll have a harder time making his artists into superstars
Jay-Z didn't lose a battle in 2001 against Mobb Deep or Nas, and both of them are better than 50. 50 is just a coward, he hasn't bothered to comeback properly to Nas, Jada,Fat Joe or The Game, even after starting the beef... and u think he's on Jay-Z level? Hope not. Em wont get involved- i mean he didnt against Jada, Joe, Game or NaS. So dont worry bout that.
As for Takeover v. Ether, why was Ether better. Sure it was more fierce, but lyrically it werent as good as Takeover or Superugly, and the fact that NaS was jus making Harsh jokes instead of actually saying facts shows his weakness.
What does album sales have to do with how good someone is lyrically.Just because 50 has sold "50 millions" records doesn't make him good at word play because hes not. Can any of recall when yall had to rewind in a middle of a song because he said something that made you actually think. He isn't good at all. His is one of the greatest at making a song, but he is even faling off with that(his songs all sound alike). If Jay was to go at him it would kill(50)his career because every. He can't go at someone of Jay's caliber. He only won the battle between Ja(which i think he lost) because of humor. He can't get funny with Jay because he is to respected. Em wouldn't say anything cause him and 50 are going through something with each other right now anyway. Jay is to real for 50. What did the "GOAT"say on Jeezy's song ..."Noone pulled my coat yet and i keep my shit in coat check"..By the way My man Hurricane ended G-Unit. look at Yayo's sales. To bad for Oliver, Boob Deep, Ma$e(hahaha) and M.O.P.( i like them)
Where do I start. Nastrodamus was a bad album, no disputing that. I guess folk forgot that that album was so bad becusase bootlegers got a hold of his shit via internet and was kiliing his album before it came out. Those songs on that album were comprised of garbage hits he didn't want to release. That Nastrodamus album was supposed to be a double disc. It was garbage, only because his good shit was bootlegged months in advance. The shit on the lost tapes were supposed to be on that Nastrodamus. He released Sillmatic, and then released the lost tapes. Think of the shit like Tupacs situation. All that garbage on the radio now was shit that he didn't want to release becuase it was subpar. Nastrodamus was just that. Most of it was spurt of the moment. Quality takes time which he didn't have.
Secondly, Jay-z won the battle based on fact's? Go to bed with that shit. Exageration was a keen basis for the shit he said. It was cool but, facts got stretched. Nas attacked Jay on a personal level. Shit that those two niggaz knew about, and then put it out there for the niggaz who didn't know.
Wasn't shit poetic about it. Nas diss track was a straight personal wound.
As for Gene. Album sales make you rich. Unless your rapping about that puffy shit go somewhere with that garbage. You must be one of those I listen to whatever the radio play's folk. If you truly listen to hip-hop you'd know it matters wether or not what your saying has any relevance to your audience. Those cat's like the lox aren't in the shit for the money. They are in it for the love of the music and the niggaz that listen to them. Thats real shit. I could put out a garbage c.d and push atleast 4 mill world wide and that shit wouldn't make me tight.
Take a nap with the numbers. Numbers don't make the rapper, lyrics do stupid. Timbaland and Magoo have probably pushed more records than Rakim and Rakim is by far the supperior of those other two fucks. Em won't Destroy Jay neither. Em raps about bullshit 70 percent of the time. The only time He puts down some heat is if he has an agenda to talk about. Jay always got real shit for yah. No matter the occasion. Jay would hand em his ass. Em would ramble on about nothing that sounds good and Jay would hit him with shit that sounds good and a basis.
Don't put def jam in the mix. You mean Rocca fella. ShadyAftermath/ and G-unit (not the new recruits) only have but a hand full of decent rappers. Em is probably the best out of the bunch. If you want to use Def Jam as a whole go through the complet roster. D12 would get pissed on, and G-Unit would get pissed on. Don't equivalate record sales with skill. They are not the same. Besides the most skilled lyricist on interscope (including the sister labels) is Rass Kass. Most folk are sleep on cuzz, but it's true. Hearing Rass and Em on a track would be sick.
Besides I hate to say it. If Em was black white america wouldn't have clung to him the way they did, and lets face it white america buys the majority of the Rap records in this country. World wide, it's a white world. Let's take everything into perspective. Not saying he can't spit, or that I don't like his shit but it's a cold fucking fact.
If Em was black you could cut those numbers down by atlest 50%. Jay is still the man. Corporate or rapping. No one is getting close to cuzz's hustle, and rapping only a handfull could get with him. Jay will come correct with his assault. He's to polished not to.
Glad some of you folks realized what I was saying about cats thinking record sales make them the illest in the game. I agree with the Em assessment. If he was one of us then he DEFINITELY would have to chop those numbers in half and yes White America would not have clung to him like that.
You bitches need to stop being so emotional. Dont let the feelings you get overwhelm your brain's activity. Nas vs Jay was a great battle. Nas did not win the battle, he simply proved he's not a chump or washed up.
TakeOver was a track in which Jay had a verse for Nas, Nas made a whole track towards Jay. In Jay's verse, there was not one lie, not one exageration, not one metaphor that you can misconstrue. Nas' Ether was fine creative work, but Jay does not TaeBo (he boxes), or any of the shit Nas said. Go listen to the songs, Nas did fall off, Nas was irrelevant at that point, and Jay did fuck his girl. And that last note is where it got real personal and guess what? The battle ended.
As far as 50 is concerned, Jay-Z has ties to Supreme, Jay-Z did upset 50 with " No, I aint get shot up a bunch of times..", but 50 wont do shit. If 50 walked into Aftermath and said I want to battle Jay, Dr Dre and Em will both tell him to go fuck himself before Jay does it publicly. That battle would be worse than Death Row vs Bad Boy, it would last longer and there would be too many casualties. At one point or another Dre and Em would have to get involved then Jay will bring out Scarface, Bun B and whole roster of MCs niggas cant fuck with. These MCs are also not household names to 15yr old punks who really dont know shit about rap or hip hop.
Y'all think G-Unit murdered Ja Rule?, KRS merked MC Shan, that shit should've been on National Geographic, under Wars Of Concrete Jungles or something. And if you can somehow get the lyrics to that battle, you will understand why half the shit niggas spit these days is worse than canned dog food.
The reason I think Eminem roasted Jay on Renegade was Eminem laid his verse FIRST. Renegade was orignally with Royce Da 59. Eminem took out Royce and added Jay. I mean, if I was a rapper, and I went last, I believe I would have wrote some better stuff than the guy who went before me.
jay z would kill the whole of g-unit and shady. They are all too young and big headed. How many of then part from em hav had more than 3 albums. Nas and Jay dont even have beef anymore, they grown men, beef isn't there style. Pus defjam has so many artists that could destroy g-unit/shady. young jeezy, shyne, redman, ghostface, dmx. If i were 50 i would say sorry and shine mr carters shoes.
Yeah i agree i think AZ did body nas on life's a bitch!
Why should Jay go at 50?
He should end game's bitch ass career in the concert then let bleek and the gunnas redeem themselves after all the shit games been poppin.
Not for nothing im a nas fan since day 1. And the last nas album i bought was nastradamus. He just does'nt bring that fire anymore, Once jay called him out and said cause he wears a koofi does'nt mean that he's right/it just means u dont understand all the bullshit that he writes. I felt it was so true that he changed the way i look at him. To me ether was his last banger ever since then he's been kind of boring. I don't think he's finished i just think people don't care what he has to say anymore. And its true what fifty said about nas, that he cant pick out a hit single. It'll be cool to see nas sign to def jam and revive his career a bit. But i rather see AZ get signed to def jam cause he has that hustler and street persona and so much swagger that he can pick up where jay left off.
Oh and back to i declare war i would rather see jay go at game,cam,jim jones or maybe even dame cause it all balls down to dame signing camron that the roc broke up. So why not mash on the dips and see what them pink and purple wearing clowns could do under pressure...
Hova is god to these rappers. They wanted to be like him. Hov is the Ubersexual emcee, what them white folks will say about a powerful man. AZ would look great with jigga in def jam. So would Nas. Get AZ, Nas, The Lox, UGK, under the Carter Adminstration, and It's GAME OVER for everyone, G-Unit, Shady, Aftermath, Bad Boy, and anyone that gets in the way of progress.
PEACE OUT
Seriously,
Jay lost to Nas in 2001, there's no debating that fact. Secondly, if Jay and Nas do decide to get friendly they will destroy everyone in their path. I know a lot of people that come here are stans, but let's get one thing straight, only NAS has released an album that is universally acclaimed as being one of the greatest hip-hop albums EVER.
And how can people take Em seriously anymore?
Did you listen to ENCORE, that stuff was GARBAGE. And 50, he is the Britney Spears of POP-RAP.
Jay-Z/Nas collabo = INVINCIBLE
There's alot of factual errors here. Where to Begin!
Black Wallstreet: Jay said nas dropped one HOT album every ten years. Listen again champ
Gene: Eminem sold 65 mil worldwide because fans in europe see a white guy rapping and jump all over it. If a black rapper ever sells 65 million worldwide, it'll be when black people are considered the greatest race in the universe...which aint happening.
Reallifehustle: I stamp the ras kass vote. Greatest rapper in the west
And finally...where did this jay vs eminem/50/interscope beef come from to begin with?
Jay & dre are boys, Jay & Em are boys....Jay & 50 are so-so...what's your reasoning for even thinking those would be legitmate beefs?
Fact of the matter is we all know Jim Jones & Cam'ron The Pink Pansy are marked with a diamond on their chests.
Jay's bringing out Nas and The Lox. The new era of Def Jam is upon us
WHO REALLY KNOWS WHAT WAS FACT AND FICTION WITH JAY AND NAS,FACT-JAY WANTED NAS TO BE IN THE DEAD PRESIDENTS VIDEO AND NAS NO-SHOWED,FACT IF YOU KNOW HIP HOP "ILLMATIC" ARGUBLY THE GREATEST RAP ALBUM OF ALL TIMES INSPIRED EVERYONE TO STEP THEY SHIT UP AND TALK ABOUT SOMETHING AND NOT USING GIMMICKS,IF YOU KNOW HIP-HOP AROUND THAT TIME EVERYONE WAS RAPPING IN FAST-FORWARD(jAY,CHECK ORIGINAL FLAV'S "CAN I GET OPEN OR"I CAN'T GET WITH THAT")NOT OPINION MR.IRREVELENT),OR RAPPING LIKE DAS EFX(THE STIGGEDY SHIT,FAT JOE,DA BRAT AND COUNTLESS OTHERS)AND ANOTHER FACT JAY WASN'T REALLY OUTSELLING NAS BY THAT MUCH UNTIL VOL.2 5X PLAT.,AND WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT NAS VS JAY,WENT IN THIS ORDER TAKEOVER,1 VERSE JUST JAY'S OPINION ON NAS' CAREER IT'S HIS OPIINION IF HE THINKS NAS ALBUMS ARE TRASH NOT FACT WHAT THE FUCK IS JAY-Z GOD?? HE STATES HIS OPINION ON SOMEONE AND WE BELIEVE THAT TO BE FACTS,AND THAT SHIT HE SAID ABOUT ETHER BEING SILLY SNAPS OR WHATEVER IS JAY-Z AND ROC-A-FELLA'S WAY TO DOWNPLAY THE LYRICAL ASS WHOOPING JAY GOT.MR.IRREVELENT GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE POSTING SOMETHING LIKE THAT UP OR GET YOUR KUFI SMACKED THE FUCK OFF,AND I'M A FAN OF NAS AND I'M CALLED A STAN YOU CLOSET TRANSEY MOTHER FUCKER I'M @ THE NAS BBS ALL DAY IF YOU WANT REPLY AND GET AN HIP HOP LECTURE
Maybe record sales rules in other genres of music and lames that listen to the radio to determine what's hot, but in hip-hop, cred is all that truly rules to hip-hop heads. That is, talk about what you live and rep that. these phony tough guys like 50 and Nelly can outsell anyone, but are these cats better than dudes like Little Brother, Common, or Gangstarr. Fuck no!
As for Jay goin at 50...who the fuck cares? Nas blew Jay-Z away with "Either" and that battle did benifit Nas, but both were established anyways and didn't need the battle to further their career. 50 is nothing but a publicity machine; he leaked those dis trachs to promote his album, and now that it sold crazy numbers, there's no reason to rectify anything he said about Nas, Fat Joe, Jay-Z, the Lox, or anyone else. J shouldn't even feed into this lame dude's games. And Em won't get involved because he knows to keep himself out of black folks' business. Em will never go at an established black cat (Benzino and Ja doesn't count)
And speaking on Em people really need to get a grip about this dude. These white folks that started listening to hip-hop a few years ago sound stupid sayin this dude is the best ever. Shit like that can get you slapped in some places. Dude is nice, but he CANNOT TOUCH cats like Andre 3000 or Big Boi, Q-Tip, Phonte, KRS, Nas, Jay-Z, and pleny of others.
jay-z is full of shit and he got shitted on by 2pac
to all them jay z dick riders on this shit just jump off allready. Jay-z was CRYIN after hearing ether for one of the first times on Angie Martinez Hot 97. She had to cut off air cos of duke an then she was then heard sayin "what the fuck happened there?!"
Now u tell me who won? its not about who's beat u nigga like or his "1" verse, its about who fucks the nigga up emotionally, who hurts who.
as for eminem, some hip hop fans, mostly white dudes who are part time hip hop fans an who u ask them who's there favourite mc they go " pac, biggie, eminem....", some of them actually know shit bout hip hop.eminem is a over-rated rapper. his 1 "classic" album isnt even a classic.
if he went after one serious mc with weight, like a nas or a jay-z, em gets murdered, specially since all this racial shit came to light.
Niggas would end all credibilty he has an after em's last album there aint much left
jay-z only got noticed because he started sucking biggies dick(if he had 1)
Takeover is PURE FACT. I got time on my hands. Let's break it down.
I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco's trash
Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage.
True story.
Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
to your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally" verse better than yours
True story.
Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know - the sun don't shine, then son don't shine
True story.
That's why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end
There's only so long fake thugs can pretend
Debatable.
Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
True story. Even Cormega has said this in interviews. Nature has said this in 'Nas Is Not'. Cormega and Nature aren't the best of friends, so to hear two separate people say similar things is interesting.
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor/ then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
Debatable. We'd need Extra P for his input on this one - like he cares.
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was using it wrong / you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
Debatable. (I didn't think Dead Presidents was that great of a song.)
And you ain't get a coin nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
True story.
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I've been in it five - smarten up Nas
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic"
That's a one hot album every ten year average
True story.
And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
Debatable.
You niggaz gon' learn to respect the king
Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you know who, did you know what,
with you know who, but just keep that between me and you - for now.
True story. Carmen backs this up. Cormega backs this up in Slick Response.
Can you do the same for Ether? I don't think so.
wha tused to be hot was was what an MC said
Now hip-hop don't respect you unless you platinum or dead
-Ras Kass
Jay-Z vs. NaS is over. NaS murdered Hova and Jigga resurrected Nas. Jay-Z has sold over 33 Million records not including Unfinished Business, Streets is Watching, The Black Album (Accapela). Hova is The Greatest rapper Alive. 50 cent is a pussy wanabe R&B artist. He sang almost ever chorus on the massacre ( Current 3.7 Millions sold.). 50 sing tooo much. Jay-Z would finish 50 cent and G-Unit. If you do not know. Jay-Z freestyles on all songs. the raps are in his head. 50 cent takes 2 years to make the fucking shit The Massacre. as far as Eminem and Hova go. They are both great rappers. Hova is better. Em is more of Pop rap than Hova. Renegade is a classic. Let us never forget that. Eminem wrote raps and jay-Z spit from his head. Hova did a one take. eminem confessed in an interview that he doesn't understand how Jay-Z can create a whole rap in his head. Plus how he remains consistent is indoubtfully a big contribution to Hip Hop. People like Hova, Nas and others opened the door for new breeds like Eminem, 50 cent, T.I. Ludacris and others. Jay-Z sampled Nas Twice (Dead Presidents, and Rap Game/Crack game). But that doesn't make him lesser than NaS. Jay has more records than 2Pac did when he was alive. Little break down:
1. Hova: 10 Platinum Albums with over 33 million sold (U.S).Greatest Hip Hop touring artsit. Sold over 50 Million albums worldwide (+U.S. sales) sold out tours worldwide including in Tokyo,Japan; europe countires, south africa at Mandelas request. and even dinned at the Buckingham palace with Beyonce and The prince.. Met with Prince charles and was honored by him with a Life time achievement award in Music. GQ International Man of the Year. Want to buy stakes in Arsenal FC. Net worth over $350 Million. & Never writes his raps. King of NY and a Rap God. 4 Grammy awards including 99 Problems, Vol. 2 hardknock Life (1998 Winner for best rap album)
2. NaS: 5 Platinum albums. over 7 million album sold. Illmatic is one of the greatest hip hop albums ever created. Killed jay personally on Ether. Has hade the most worrse albums since It was wrtten and Jay reurrected him on Stillmatic. A rap Legend. No Grammy award.
3.Eminem: 3 Platinum albums. over 65 million albums sold worldwide. White rapper. 7 grammy awards
4. 50 cent: over 15 Million record sold worldwide (including The Massacre). Joined Hova's 2002 "Roc the Mic tour". Featured Jay on the remix of "If I can't. Sings to much. Signs total crap rappers (Ex. Yayo , M.O.P., Buck, Mase, and himself 50). can't act or even try and act. No Grammy award at all.
Jay-Z is A trendsetter and 50 cent and others even Em all learned their styles, ways and even flows from his legacy.
You guys are all stupid jay-z dick riders fuck him im a tupac fan Westside til i die...tupac murdered jay-z just murdered him in "Fuck Friendz" and then once pac got killed he kinda came out from hiding then biggy died and he said oh shit if can learn to make beats i can sell records...how dare that stupid fuck think hes the best rapper i dont care if he thinks alive or dead theres sooooooo many MC's out there that are better than him his beats are dope his lyrics are decent but his beats make his music hot....so for all u people who like tupac and jay-z at the same time u guys are stupid
Jay is easily one of the greatest rappers to have touched d game. Some of d insults from u guys r unbelievable.
I'll go wiv jay on dis one. 'jus cuz a nigga where a koofi it don't mean dat he bright' So yes, rappers like common, mos def, talib and so on, they are not only conscious and deep rappers but dey r extremely talented. Dat still doesn't mean that they are as/more skillful then jay. In fact none of them in my opinion(and i've listened to most rappers in the game)come close.
give the man his credit. Based on pure skill he is in my opinion the best to ever do it. I fink a lot of people discount him bcuz he has sold records, and he appeals to a larger audience thereby almost becoming a pop rapper. But being able to achieve commercial success is nothing negative, in fact 4 someone like Jay it is a show of his versatility and full-roundedness as a rapper.
So the fact is dat no matter wot rapper he goes after he will devour, like he did nas with his factually based one verse. On the topic of eminem i know he is over-rated and gets more props 4 hiz colour, but i can never ignore his skill. On his day he can battle any mc in the game competently and is definitely up dere wiv the best.
Look, the bottom line is that Eminem will never go after Jay-Z, unless Jay says his name. Eminem never said anything about the Game, and he ripped 50 apart. He is yet to say anything about the LOX, and they ALL ate G-Unit for lunch. However, I feel that if the two rappers did go head to head, it would be awfully close. It's really a toss-up. I feel both are in the top 5...ever.
Hov beating eminem? nahhh son. take a step back and think about that for a second. Eminem is THE battle rapper. Em killed ja rule not 50 cent. em killed cannibus, anyone. Em killed jayz on their Renegades track badly. there was no doubt on that record who killed it.
hov going after 50 would be hurting yourself. your retired take seat. if anything go at game
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I've read these blogs so many times and never spoke but now its time to say something. Who the hell made Jay Z a god? I'm not a Jay fan in the least but even I'll admit that he sick with his rhymes. If jay battled with a known battler like Jin (who I don't like either but respect) and he had never sold a record in his life but still rapped. Do you think he could win? Do you think he would eat him up? If jay still had the same flow but wasn't known and was just trying to come up like any other hungry rapper do you think people would say these things about him? Jay got took by Nas. And even Dame admitted that DMX took him back in the day. To say Jay is untouchable when he been hit twice is ignorant! Em was a heavy battler before he blew up. I admit that he rhymes about things I dont care about nor a lot of black people would but that doesn't make what he's saying bullshit! And I admit that Eminem does sell more records because he's white but that aint the only reason. White people flock to Em for the same reason alot of black people flock to Pac Nas Big or Jay. He talks about shit they can relate to! Tell me what Artist (if you can call them that) can voice his feelings as well as Em? Because Eminem is white he had to do more to get respect in the game. He came with sick lyrics and Dr. Dre production. He smashed countless fools in battles and for those who say he has no one credible... He called out Canibus! Canibus would eat any rapper up in a straight up battle including Jay-Pac-Nas-Big-DMX-or practically anyone else you can name! Canibus is a rapper who will never get the respect he deserves for one reason, (and this goes out to all you fools who say record sales dont count) because he aint sell twenty million records. Because you dont see him on the charts. Record sales count for alot, they are a sign of repect. Let me put this in a way some of you "thugs" may understand. If you were selling drugs on a corner that was over populated with dealers but your shit still completely outsold the competition. Thats because you have quality shit. Eminem has 4 platinum albums-65million worldwide-and he's still one of the biggest names in the game. And believe it or not, there are millions of black people buying his shit. Because he hsa quality. He has some of the best shit on the block and thats the reason people are buying it. Encore was garbage and what happened? It was his worst selling album besides his first. He lossed quality and lossed sales because of it. To say that Jay can murder Em is stupid. That would probably be the most legendary and epic battles in history! If you took away thir fame and tossed them into the ring with one mic- a djay- and crowd of strangers who have no relationship to either one. Who knows who would win. I'd put my money on Em though. I think he would just edge him out slightly. But Jay vs. 50? Do I even need to say it?
NO disrespect but EM is the most over rated emcee in the history of hip hop. He is average at best and nothing more....period. Yeah for a white boy he is good, but compared to the rest he is average if that!
am i the only one who know that the renegades track was done before jay got on it. that was a royce da 5'9" and eminem track and em has the exact same verse on it that he has on the one with jay. besides royce's verse was far better than em's so if royce could take him jay could take him. plus eminem's career has already gone to sh!t with that horrible encore album. if jay goes at eminem he's gong to come back with some dookie/balls stuff.
EVERYONE NEEDS TO REVIEW THE MIXTAPE ARCHIVES BECAUSE IT SHOWS THAT 50 CAN HANDLE WHATEVER JAY-Z SPITS OUT . ALSO ,THERE'S ONLY ONE RAPPER THAT CAN DESTROY 50'S CARREER, AND THAT'S EM. THE REASON WHY JAY-Z IS RETURNING TO THE RAP GAME IS BECAUSE HIS WEAKASS COLLECTIONS OF RAPPERS,LIKE THE YOUNG GUNZ AND BLEEK CAN PRODUCE HOT ALBUM FOR THE ROC. RIGHT NOW , 50 RUNS N.Y.C. WITH A IRON FIST. ALSO, THE REEBOK'S INVESTORS DON'T NEED THIS TYPE OF ATTENTION OR PRESS.
"IM ABOUT A DOLLAR WHAT THE FUCK IZ 50 CENTS" REMEBER THAT LINE ON STAGE HE HELPED 50 CARRER AND HE AINT GONNA GO AT 50.
ALSO REMBER WHAT 50 SAID A HOT97 ABOUT GAME AND WHEN GAME TOLD JAY TO SUCK HIS DICK. 50 CALLED JAY AND ASKED HIM IF THIGSZ IS AIIGHT CAUSE 50 DONT WANT HIS MONEY FUCKED UP. SO BE REALISTIC
frist of all all u wrong jigga gona brake muffins with 50 n go at game while nas n them otha dude's gona try n spit with game n now murda mase back spider loc mobb m.o.p its just matter of time till whoo kid drops new mixtape out n the unit back on top im sayin Lloyd Banks 1 of the best his old shit be kick idk about latley but papoose cool with 50 n all n Papoose murder any 1 who every touched the mic. If the beast go with gunit not even biggi n pac reborn could take that nigga on
I KNOW YALL DONT WANNA HERE THIS BUT YAYO BANKS BUCK MOB BEEP MOP AND MASE WILL SAY SOME CLEVER SHIT TO HOVA ESPECIALLY BANKS
i have no idea what mirko said...
Carter Adminstration Representative, you are the smartest man on this board. Jay is the ultimate businessman in the music business. Hopefully I'll be the new jigga, but I do not rap.
RECENT RAP HISTORY 101.... d-block been gettin at g-unit for how long??? how long they been tearin them faggots up??? have u heard Em say somethin about jada.... styles.... NOPE... id love for jay to finish g-unit n if he does Em will stay his ass out of it... TRUST ME... other than that.... Y WE KEEP BUILDIN THIS SHIT UP... IM SICK OF ALL THIS SHIT LETS JUST WAIT TILL IT HAPPENS N TALK ABOUT IT ONCE ITS HISTORY...
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I really really like tacos..........
Jay z is nice for one reason when he makes songs people pay close attention to it they press rewind and listen to closley and play it again and again they learn all the words thats why hova's so nice mad people in the game should be up there with hova