Fat Joe Steals Jay-Z's MoJo

I don't think Joe is stealing from Jay-Z and even if he did then he is just really stealing from Nas. Jay-Z is the replica of Nas, style flow and lyrics. Jay-Z is more business minded and has done more in the world of entreprenuership but any true Hip-Hop fan knows that Jay-Z is a "cut, copy and paste" artist. He cuts out the lines of another rapper {choose any of the following}--Biggie, Snoop, Nas, Big L, Camron, Juelz Santana, Tupac-- after he cuts out the line he copies it to his lyrics and then pastes it. If you don't agree with any of the above, look for an underground track called "I'm a biter not a writer". It has every song Jay-Z has ever stolen from, the original followed by his version. Please people don't be brainwashed by corporate America. This is not an emcee to be considered in the Top 5 of all time and in my opinon not even the Top 10. In record sales and business, he is great and a mastermind but not in lyricism and artistry.

Nas is a copy of Kool G Rap..if you want to be frank..and a close follower of the Rakim style of rap(5 percent stuff, dropping knowledge and teachings, etc..)Jay Z is a great businessman but an outstanding emcee 2. Jay is more what Big daddy Kane was, but with more hate because people like yourself can't respect some one who can be both.

I just downloaded that Im a writer not a biter (thats what it was under on ares) I think that jay has alot of other bars than the ones he 'bit'

I think he was paying homage to what they said, plus he refreshed them, made them more memorable.

jay-z is a fake rapper. He steals 85% of his lyrics and lost the battle to nas, he's not gansta anymore he turned pop, in my opinon he's garbage just like 50 cent.

jay-z i s the best sucka dick hater

you mutha fuckas must be some fags talking bout lettin a nigga suck yo dick.jay-z is garbage,half dollar is garbage,eminem is straight garbage,snoop is garbage,jarule is garbage,and you mutha fuckas is garbage fo swinging on jay-z's nutz bustas. nas is a true rhyme spitter.holla back.

If Nas was that good he would able to make money like 50 & Jay. If it don't make dollars, it does not make sense. 50 & Jay outsell Nas anyday.

who cares everybody is just doing thier thing.if somebody takes tips from someone else, its ok theyre putting thier own spin on it. we still get a taste of the artist.i dont see anybody just straight copying someone else.sometimes people have simular styles or ways of doing things.or sometimes people get inspiration from others and maybe take after them in a way and there is nothing wrong with that.eventually as time goes on they will develope thier own uniquness.if they dont they will fall off completely because you cant fool the people.

How da fuk r u gonna say that jay-z and all the other rappers is wak. NIGGA, when u make some songs and albums that'll sell more than those rappers then I'll GIVE U RESPECT. BUT other than dat, SHUT THE FUCK UP.U DON'T KNOW WUT THE FUK U TALKIN 'BOUT.

Jay just paying homage to those rappers!!!! He's at the top of the list!!!

Nas has definetely influenced jay-z's style. There is no doubt about that. He has been trying to get on the same track as nasty nas from day one but nas is a real rapper first and foremost, so he aint gonna do a track with someone he dont think is real. dont get me wrong, Jay is alright, but he's not real! And as for their financial situation, Nas is just not as money hungry as jay is. But dont get it twisted, he still has enough millions in the bank that you haters wont never see in your lives. Stay off his dick. Real recognize real.

rap isn't all about money, thats why lots of people have lost faith in Jay-Z. Jay-Z is almost an exact replica of Nas, exept the fact that Jay-Z bites a lot of rappers and gains the props. Nas is more of a present time replica of Rakim. nuff said..ZZZzzzzZZZzzzz

lets get this str8 people..jay z..took it where BiG was goin to take it and no other rapper has takin it there..all that NAS shit STOP..IT yeah he won the battle but HOVA won the WAR...fat joe?please he's not anywhere near the top of anything..LEAN BACK was his biggest song..the bubblegum joint he had with ashanti?garbage..and yes he wants to be like HOVA...did a song wit Robert just like Jay z..now he's tryna do what jay do..."now we livin better now coogi sweater now"fat joe has been in the game since 93..92..he's just now buzzin people hahaha?..all u jay z haters WAKE UP...nas u sucka for love..top 5 to date are in this order.....PAC...HOVA..BIG..KRS...FACE..ill put this 5 up vs anybody..now who wun test me see..tell fat joe to make about 20 more lean backs then holla at me until then SHUT THE FUCK UP

AND ANOTHA THING..PEOPLE..STOP TALKIN ABOUT NIGGAZ THAT ARE HOT NOW..THIS IS A MARATHON
NIGGAZ LIKE TO FORGET SOMETIMES JUST LIKE COMPARING LABRON TO MJ..WHEN HE AINT EVEN KOBE YET
NOWADAYS RAPPERS ARE JUST POPULAR NOT STARS AND THATS WHERE FOLK GET IT TWISTED..NIGGAZ GOT 100 VIDEOS MIL WORTH OF JEWELS AND ONLY SOLD 300K 2OOK
AND NIGGAZ THINK OH THEY DOIN IT YEAH RIGHT THEY OWE EVERYBODY..IF NAS IS SO SMART AND THAT NIGGA WHY HASNT HE ELEVATED IN SELLS?DOESNT HE KNOW WHY HE ONLY DOES A MIL EVERYTIME?I WOULD THINK A DUDE LIKE NAS WOULDVE BEEN BROUGHT A PEICE OF A PRO TEAM?WILLIE ESCO?A DUD..ROCA WEAR 300 MIL..NAS WANTED TO BE PAC SO BAD THAT HE WENT AND GOT A TATTOO ON HIS BELLY?PEOPLE WAKE UP..RAP IS ABOUT LYRICS AND IMPACT..NAS HAD A FEW HOT SONGS AND ETHER..YES HE IS A DOPE DOPE RAPPER..BUT MOST OF HIS CAREER HE'S BEEN TRYNA FIND HIMSELF...OOCHIE WALLY..U OWE ME?HUH? NOW U A PANTHER?HUH..WAIT NOW U MARRIED STRAWBERRY STRAWBERRY THE NEIBHORHOOD HOE?HOVA GOT THE BADDEST BITCH AND HE IS THE BADDEST RAPPER ALIVE..ANYBODY NO WHAT BRAVEHEARTS SOLD?WITH NAS AND LIL JON ON THE SINGLE?STILL..A DUD..NIGGAZ DONT HATE HOVA THEY HATE WHAT HE'S ACCOMPLISHED AND HOW HE DID IT..NAS IS A LONELY RAPPER WIT NO CREW OR FOUNDATION AND THAT HAS ALWAYS KILLED HIM..FAT JOE WILL NEVER BE WHAT HOV OR NAS IS MATTER OF FACT TS ALBUM?WAS A DUDE...YEAH 50 GET THAT FAT NIGGA..HE IS OVER/RATED AND THE BEST TO COMEOUT THE BX WAS THE TEACHA K..R...S...1!

Let me say this: I like both Jay & Nas. They both dope to me. A lot of you make some good points about Jay & Nas. Jay is a hustler, 1st & foremost. Nas just sticks to rhymin'. They're both on a paper chase. They just have different means of gettin' it. Nothin wrong with gettin that dough. Simply put, Jay does what he does to sell as many records as possible. He panders to the programmed dummies with his singles however his album cuts are usually deeper. Nas ain't tryin to get radio love anymore like he did with forgettable songs like You Owe Me & Oochie Wally. We all know that ain't really Nas. He ain't no flashy type of dude. He realized he gotta be true to himself. He can't go make records like Jay and Jay ain't gonna make records like Nas speaking on the things Nas talks about now. 50 as a lyricist is garbage. He's a straight commercial rapper. I'm not hatin' on him or nothing cuz he sold what he sold. Just because you have a different opinion about something doesn't mean you hatin'. Hating is when you do whatever you can do just to stop someone else from succeeding. THAT'S HATE!!!! My opinion isn't gonna stop 50 from selling another 8 million. People just get caught up in the hype of units sold and high visibility(videos, guest spots, etc.). Just because you on the radio a lot and all over the TV don't mean you the best there is. Just ask Ja Rule. Without Interscope's help, 50 would be nothing. They got behind 50 because of Eminem and Dre. Jadakiss is also a part of Interscope but don't you ever even think he's gonna get a 50 Cent budget for his albums. Yeah Jada is a much better MC but 50 is the one who sells and has cats like Em & Dre behind him. We all know he isn't aisn't in Jay or Nas or even Jada's class when it comes to writing. Again, I'm not a 50 hater. I just understand the difference between a real MC and a simple rapper. He panders to the radio and he's with a coporate monster(Interscope)that has the promotion power and industry leverage to get those sales up to 8 mil.

By the way; I understand that every MC is in the business of selling records. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Every MC wanna sell 8 or 9 mil like 50 or Eminem. However lots of them aren't gonna sell out just to do it. Even Em realizes that his sales are in part due to his race. If he were Black and spit the same rhymes and had the same beats, I guarantee he wouldn't go platinum. Those who have truly listened to him and know anything at all about hip-hop will understand that statement. I admit that the boy can spit but I wouldn't say he's the greatest by any stretch of the imagination. However, this aint about Em or the fact he's White. this is about an artist being true to himself and staying in his lane or an artist coming in trying to be something he's not and selling out just to get radio love.

oh...and I do agree that Jay took it to where B.I.G. would have in terms of the success Jay had enjoyed.

Everybody hates on the favorites like Jay-Z, 50 Cent, Eminem, etc. because they are liked better than rapper(s) you prefer. Someone said Nas is a true rhyme spitter. HOW? Cause he's political. Fuck that I buy music to enjoy it not have another nigga preach about shit I see and live on a daily basis. Jay-Z takes you into his world and bet you know more Jay-Z, 50 Cent, and Eminem songs than your own favorite. The people that criticize so hard the people mad about why can't Nas sell 5 mill or why can't Jadakiss can't sell because they shit not as you think. 50 went plat in 4 days not because of controversy but his shit hot. Trust me 11 million people don't buy bullshit just to buy it. So tell ya rappers they have to step it up.
My Favorite Rappers Are:
Jay-Z
Eminem
Fabolous
50 Cent
Whoever making hot shit

what it all boils down to is,jay is the G.O.A.T greatest f all time. Yes Nas is a true lyricist, but think about it, would nas be in the position that he's in now if it wasnt for jay? NO jay basically blew breath into nas. If jay neva made takeover nas woul be a nobody right now,and compared to jay he still is a nobody

You strictly speaking about who got better numbers. You caught up in the numbers game, fam. You like Fabolous. The boy is aiight. However, could you REALLY put him in the same class lyrically as Nas? BIG? Jay? Maybe YOU can but I disagree. My opinion is my own. Whether you agree is not my concern. You probably feel the same way. I don't think you're a hater just because you don't agree witht he next person'd opinion. I'm saying that if you're an average rapper with hot beats and some catchy hooks then you too can go platinum. It don't take much nowadays. That's my point. Again, I'm not hating on anyone but I understand why some cats go 8 mil and some cats go double wood. Some cats that are average but use the same cookie cutter formula and have super producers and great promotion at their disposal are gonna do the numbers. PERIOD. It's very apparent that you only listen to the beats. "F*** that I buy music to enjoy it, not have another ni**a preach about shit I see and live on a daily basis"-That just shows the mindset of someone ignorant to music that have any kind of substance. It seems like if you have something real to say, then people don't wanna hear it.

My previous comment was addressed to PHELLA. By the way, "Trust me 11 million people don't buy bull**** just to buy it"-You would be surprised by the hordes of women who are so impulsive that they will buy a cat's album on the strength of one hot single and the fact they think he's cute or something. it's crazy but true. seen it for myself plenty of times in record stores

LOOK PEOPLE WE COULD GO ON ALL DAY ABOUT JAY..NAS..WACK JOE..WHOEVER..SELLS DO COUNT..MY POINT ABOUT NAS WAS..FOR MOST OF HIS CAREER I NEVER KNEW WHO HE WAS..PAC?RAKIM?COOL G?KRS?WIT HOVA U NEVA SAID OH HE'S ON SOME PAC SHIT NOW ETC..NAS HAS MORE HYPE THAN STATS,SAME WIT WACK JOE..AND DONT EVEN TALK ABOUT KISS..HE REPS LIKE CRAZY..AND SP..INTERSCOPE YOUR RIGHT JADA WILL NEVA GET 50 BUDGET..SO WHAT..THATS INTERSCOPE FAULT..CAUSE IF JADA CAN DO A MIL WIT NO BUDGET..JUST THINK IF HE DID HAVE THAT 50 BUDGET?..NIGGAZ WOULD BE IN TROUBLE..BACK TO NAS...LIKE I SAID DUDE HAS NO FOUNDATION..HOVA HELD IT DOWN EVERY SUMMER..TELL ME 1 SUMMER THAT NAS HELD IT DOWN?OR TELL ME 1 ARTIST THAT NAS HAD THAT WENT GOLD?HOVA IS A HUSTLER YOUR RIGHT AND HE KNOWS HOW TO WIN...THE FAMOUS WORDS OF COACH EDWARDS"YOU PLAY THE GAME TO WIN "NAS IS 1-7 AND HE LOSIN..I WANNA TAKE IT BACK TO NO TV..ONLY A BUZZ...99% OF THESE NIGGAZ WOULD HAVE DAY JOB..HOVA FOR PRESIDENT NIGGAZ AND I DONT MEAN OF DEFJAM....ANYBODY SEEN THE BRAVEHEARTS?THEY"RE WORKIN AT 7 ELEVEN IN DETROIT!!FAT JOE U FAT FUCK..IF PUN WAS HERE U WOULD BE HIS HYPEMAN WIT YO WACKASS...HATE THAT OVERATED FUCK..I HOPE 50 FINISHES HIM OFF..U WACK..U WACK...U WACK..U WACK..COME ON!!!

This is the way I see it, Jay-z should tap into his bank account and give half to biggie's mom and half to pac's mom cause thats who the money really belongs to. Think about people with out Bigs or 2pacs deaths Jay-z wouldn't have been half as rich as he is now, where would he steal them lyrics from? I 100% agree wit the dude mike when he said jay is nothing but a "cut, copy, and paste artist". People NAS is the truth and he doesn't have to sell millions of albums to prove it just listen to that man flow. The problem is nobody wants to listen to real hip-hop anymore all people want is this commerical bullshit. bottom line jay is garbage he's not real, he's as fake as they come!!!!!

Look, Just because a nigga is spitting about world piece and poverty dont mean he's hot. If that was the case than just listen to a preacher or a poet, why even buy a rap CD. No ... you buy rap because it's more than what your saying but how you're saying it. Nas is fake ... period. He bit off Pac ... "I did it wit Biggie" ... DID WHAT WIT BIGGIE!!! Biggie never liked Nas fake ass or Pac. Jay-Z is the truth, he did what Biggie and Pac coulnt do because their life got cut down. 50 cent has the image to be king, but his lyrics are too simple. Fat Joe dont even count, and Kiss needs to drop a classic before he count. The next Kings will either be Banks, T.I., Luda, or Lil Wayne ... those are the only niggas with the lyrics and the numbers.

Personally Ive been a fan of Nas since Illmatic, but I do think people ride his d*ck a little too hard ever since ether. Like he's invincible or something. I remember when Lil' wayne mentioned on a track he wanted to F Kelis and said some shit about 50 most people on the rap boards were all like "nas would crush that nigga in one verse" or all of a sudden Wayne's garbage compared to 50, without even listenin to dude since 98 when he was still a youngin.
People stay sayin Jigga is fake too. But fact is he raps more about shit he's really done than Nas ever has. Nas is a great storyteller and you can pretty much vissualize in depth anything he's saying which makes him so tight. His flow is great and hes a great righter. Jigga is a freestyler for the most part and he has a tendency to bite lyrics as a result. He admitted to selling out a bit after Reasonable Doubt, but it was to sell records and he definately did a good job at that. Nas is more about being truly respected as an artist than that. Hov is a hustler and of course mostly about making paper.
RD was his best album by far but sold the least. If you think he's not a legitimate rapper go pop that in (And I personally love blueprint). Selling records doesnt make you a better rapper though, and I would put Nas and Jada leagues above 50 when it comes to whos the better rapper. Makin club singles and head bobbers ussually sells more records though. Do you really think Jigga raps better on Blueprint 2 than Reasonable Doubt just because it sold more?

As for Nas, contrary to popular belief him and Pac did squash the beef as reported by several members of Outlawz, and they were cool with eachother when they met up at shows etc (as for him and big I'm not too sure besides puffand Nas havin sorta been cool with eachother before, but biggie and Raekwon had beef yet Nas was the first outside artist on a Wu album, dont think that made him a nd Big enemies though). But Pac had fried him on All Eyes on Me, cuz "the message" was mostly bullshit that sounded good. You can tell on stillmatic Nas got a lot better at frying people, but as a writer he definately put more time into it than Jayz's freestyled Supa Ugly. And probably alot more than Takeover too. Anyway neither Nas or Jigga suck though.

Y'all seem to be real caught up in record sales. Nelly does at least 4 mil whenever he drops and dude is garbage. Nobody says anything about this cat here singing and all that. I agree The Bravehearts should not have a record. I don't care if Jungle is Nas brother; they need to stay where they at. They could have kept that "Bravehearted" album to themselves. I also agree that Fat Joe owes this point of his career to Big Pun cuz without him....man y'all know, I don't even have to say it. I still feel that Jay would be around if BIG & Pac were still here BUT he wouldn't be as big as he is now. I don't know if I can say the same for Nas because that "Nastradamus" album almost ended his career along with "Takeover" from Jay. BWARE; I'm wit you on the fact that platinum plaques don't validate your status as a dope MC. C'mon, you gonna tell me that going 5 mil makes you the illest cat in the game? So y'all saying cats like oh..let's say, Nelly, 50, Ja, etc. are the illest? OK, so you would pit Jadakiss and Nelly in a battle on stage and favor Nelly to win? C'mon anyone who knows anything about rap knows that Nelly would get destroyed. It's like MC's like Jada gotta dumb down and make a girl song with Mariah just to get on the radio now. You gotta sing your own hooks now like Ja, 50, Nelly, etc. It's all a game.

damn, its crazy listening to what everyone has to say.i seriously have a headache.it seems like everybodys mad at somebody.i feel good because i can just accept people for who they are.we are all just trying to get ahead,pretty much.some people see rap as a hustle so they play it how they can to get ahead.im not mad at that.some people truly love hip hop and do it just because they love it and thats hell of cool.for the most part the person who sells the most records is going to be the one who appeals most to the population.and im sure it also helps if youre hooked up with the right people so i guess in that way some people are just lucky.and you know what i just have to defend fat joe.everybody is talking so bad about him.hes just another dude doing his thing.he has a cool ass personality and hes not fake.he might not be your favorite but damn do you have to talk about him so bad.are you mad because you dont like him but hes making money.obviously somebody likes him cause the dude definately aint poor.i think fat joe is going to end up being a major player in the future because hes focussed on bettering himself and hes no quitter.those are the kind of people that reach thier goals and succeed.shoot if i was trying to come up id pay attention to jay z too.we dont know if thats really the case because we dont know him.but if he is thats a sign of intelligence. you always pay attention to the winners.hell yeah, do what the winners do.like jay zs album get yourself a blueprint and follow it.i just cant wait till we begin to appreciate one another.theres another enemy out there other then ourselves.were the good guys but as long as we always look for the negativities in one another we wont be aware of what really matters.they have jobs and people that love them thats what matters in this life.take care.

damn, its crazy listening to what everyone has to say.i seriously have a headache.it seems like everybodys mad at somebody.i feel good because i can just accept people for who they are.we are all just trying to get ahead,pretty much.some people see rap as a hustle so they play it how they can to get ahead.im not mad at that.some people truly love hip hop and do it just because they love it and thats hell of cool.for the most part the person who sells the most records is going to be the one who appeals most to the population.and im sure it also helps if youre hooked up with the right people so i guess in that way some people are just lucky.and you know what i just have to defend fat joe.everybody is talking so bad about him.hes just another dude doing his thing.he has a cool ass personality and hes not fake.he might not be your favorite but damn do you have to talk about him so bad.are you mad because you dont like him but hes making money.obviously somebody likes him cause the dude definately aint poor.i think fat joe is going to end up being a major player in the future because hes focussed on bettering himself and hes no quitter.those are the kind of people that reach thier goals and succeed.shoot if i was trying to come up id pay attention to jay z too.we dont know if thats really the case because we dont know him.but if he is thats a sign of intelligence. you always pay attention to the winners.hell yeah, do what the winners do.like jay zs album get yourself a blueprint and follow it.i just cant wait till we begin to appreciate one another.theres another enemy out there other then ourselves.were the good guys but as long as we always look for the negativities in one another we wont be aware of what really matters.they have jobs and people that love them thats what matters in this life.take care.

You guys gotta be out your god damned minds? Jay Z is garbage? Are you serious? Tell me for one minute that 50 Cent can drop anything near Reasonable Doubt or The Blueprint. All you Nas fans, me included, should be thanking Jay Z for lighting a fire under god's son. Nas was garbage until jay called him out, and now hip hop is better for it. I'm still convinced that battle was set up. As for the dumb ass talking about record sales, Immortal Technique hasn't sold a damn thing, and he'd rip most of your favorite top 40 rappers to pieces. Don't believe me? Download that shit. By the way, yall best call out Dr. Dre if you want to talk about biters, cuz Jay Z wrote the damn Chronic 2001. Damn, now that boy can take credit on 3 hip hop classic albums. Sounds like Jay Z is the truth to me.

How is nas fake? people keep saying he trying to be like pac, well if that's the case well then how many people jay-z trying to be like? i can't even begin to count. yea i rather listen to nas preach or listen to his poetry than to listen to jay's fake ass. And it's true what the bo black said everyone caught up on this record selling shit, jada is sick wit the flow and he not really making no money so does that make him a bum??

Of course it doesn't make Jada bum. I also agree with CoryR; Immortal Technique WOULD rip a lot of these artists, no doubt. Saigon would too as a matter of fact. However I never said that platinum status makes an artist. Jay didn't write the Chronic 2001 album either. He only wrote ONE song on that album:"Still DRE". THAT"S IT. Check the credits on the album liner. However I do agree that 50 will never drop an album that is the caliber of an Illmatic, Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint or Stillmatic. 50 will always have hot production at his disposal via Dre and others but his lyrics will never be anything worth being described as quotable. That's the truth. I can feel the anger from the 50 loyalists from here........You can love 50 all you want, that's your business. Like Common once said: "If I don't like it, then I don't like it. That don't mean that I'm hatin'"

i know that fat joe aint got no chance in hell against 50 in a rap war. Nas is tryna make a song wit jay so that he could get him to help him challenge 50 cause he know that the rest of the g-unit and em will be behind him just listen to GATMAN & ROBIN off of 50's new album that song got all them niggas shittin in their pants. anybody who thinks im wrong whats poppin. Fat Joe dont want no problems cause 50 could get hov to finsh him off while he goes back at jada

i honestly think that jada and nas the only ones who could fuck with 50

dipset will blue crush them all

yea the dude who said dipset would crussh cuz they will

man dipset WOULD CRUSH ALL OF THEM DUDES IN A BATTLE and if u have a problem just listen to diplomats vol 5 and holla at me

Hold on with that dipset talk. Cam is very inconsistant with his flow. If he could go away from his rhyme wit the same words format he'd be the best. And Juelz needs to go back to rhyming like he did on Diplomatic Unity (the first one in 2003), but his newer tracks are trash. Jim Jones is just trash period. Hova is the king of all kings ... period

is it just me or are there a lot of dudes in here that dont know bout hip hop? firstly, none of u should put artists like 50 and gay z in the same league as nasty nas. nas is in a league of his own compared to them fogayzees. they are not real. nas paved the way for 50. nas took 50 on tour with him when 50 was a struggling rapper on columbia records. wheres is 50's appreciation? instead, hes tries to get at street's desciple so can finally gain the crown. ive got bad news 4 all u 50 fans, it aint gonna happen. and as 4 jay, r u lot 4getting that he's been on nas' dick from day 1. he sampled nas' voice in one of the early bullshit tracks he made. god's son is the best rapper alive. fuck what jay-z says. and so what if he has a dime on his side in beyonce?! he's old enough to be her pops.someone please tell me how nas' is trying 2 be like pac. u got it twisted. like i said earlier, real recognize real. nas is a real nigga so he has love 4 other real niggaz like pac. 4 this reason, sorry jay fans, nas is never gonna do a track with fat lips cos jay is as fogazee as they come. 1

"I showed your first tech on tour wit Large Profesor ... then I heard your album bout your tech on the dresser." Hov schooled Nas you dick head! "I might bark at X and spit at the Lox but other than that, I dont be fuckin wit cats." Hov aint never want to collab wit Nas, yall need to defeat that myth. Nas aint do shit Biggie ... first. Nas aint never sold powder but he supposed to be Escobar ... second. Nas fans love bringing up Illmatic but what about Nastrodamous, It was written, I am ... mention the medocre shit before you put this nigga in the same class as Hov ... third. 50 was tight wit Nas but when 50 was supposed to the joint wit J-Lo and Irv's bitch ass got him took off the track, why did the fake nigga Naz go behind fifties back and get on the track ... fourth. Pac tatoo his chest then Nas does it, all that phrophesy shit Nas be spittin' was bit off Pac's flow in Me Against the World ... fith. Never compare a fake nigga wit Hov, Biggie, or Pac.

i,m sitting here listining to all you 50 and gay-z dick riders but yall fail to realize it was nas who made jigga antsy who made ya boy mnetion him on a whole abum,who madeya boy switch up his flow too some deep shit on blue print haters please give my man his respect due he has been here since big and pac not just as an artist but along side of them as a spitter where was hova?oh he was riding bigs dick trynna steal his shit.

fuck 50 fuck jigga none of them will have a LL cool j career only one i see lasting long as uncle L is nasir jones.

LOL.... this is all to funny. Nas is a joke - Biggie didn't like him, Jay-z don't like him. And I don't like him..

Peace JK

JOE MIGHT NOT BE YOUR FAVORITE RAPPER OR MATCH FOR 50 OR HOV. BUT I TELL THIS THEY CAN FUCK WITH HIM IN THE STREETS LEAN BACK CAME A DISS TO JAY-Z WHEN HE'S BASKETBALL TEAM FORFIT-AGAINT JOE'S TEAM. NOW JOE IS ON TOP OF HIS CAREER NOW ONLY BECAUSE PUN TOOK IT TO THAT LEVEL IF NOT HE'LL JUST BE PUN'S HYPE-MAN.
G-UNIT CAN FUCK WITH THE BRONX TERROR SQUAD C'MON THIS ARE REAL DUDES THEY WILL CRIPPLE THEM IN A SEC.JUST ASK HOV WHEN PUN PUT A PISTOL IN HIS FACE

yo jay is the illiest mc ever,he didi like 7 albums and all of the are ho so this is the dope kind of mc.ya'll better respect him as a king.aiigh!

fuck nas,jada and don.they aint real they just pretendind.

YO TTRUTH SPITTER,you dont sound like ur name and u just a lame nigga.u r the one who dont know what kind of mcees tha hip hop realy needs you bitch.

hell no piddi crack is gon fuck fatjoe up and why does nas want a joint album with jay-z we dont want it here in africa we dont know nas we got no love for him pls someone tell dre to keep is kid-unit down execpt from game jay-z is the king

Damn a lot of y'all are emotional!!!! The way some of y'all gettin' mad about who'll beat who in a battle, I'd think that you were on these cats payroll or somethin'. It aint that serious.

"LOL.... this is all to funny. Nas is a joke - Biggie didn't like him, Jay-z don't like him. And I don't like him.."-Peace JK

That was sooooooooo gay! You don't like Nas because 2 dead rappers didn't like him? That's some gay sh!t right there. You can't formulate your own opinion? Grow up and use your own mind to think for yourself. I thought only b!tches disliked people on some just because sh!t.

As far as the cat who brought up the track record of Jay & Nas......Yeah Illmatic was a classic. So was Reasonable Doubt. I feel like the Blueprint & The Black Album are classics too. Stillmatic got 5 mics but I'm kinda iffy about that one because there were some songs I wasn't feeling like that Braveheart joint w/Mary J. Blige called Braveheart Party. Anything involving the Bravehearts is trash. Nastradamus wasn't THAT bad but it was definitely Nas worst album ever. I Am was aiight. I ain't gonna front....I loved It Was Written. Good storytelling but that's all it was. Some folk felt like he was really spittin about his life. It caused Pac to go at him cuz he felt he was spittin fake sh!t. They squashed that before he passed according to the Outlawz. If Nas was lying about that, they would have been on his a$$.

I feel like if you not about a certain thing, don't open your mouth about it. If you ain't in the drug game, don't be spittin about your deals with Columbians & Dominicans. If you ain't that cat that's really gonna bust your gun, then don't talk about that in your rhymes. Be yourself. I'm feelin' Street's Disciple cuz it's different. Lots of cats may not get it though cuz he didn't aim for radio or the clubs. These are the same cats that think that if it ain't on the radio, it's garbage because they're programmed to like bullsh!t. Look, Jay always outsold Nas but Jay had a mainstream fan base. Jay had radio singles and the whole nine. I'm not hatin Jay for that. He did what he was supposed to do if you're the franchise MC on your own label. I think it's obvious that Nas stopped caring about the mainstream when he dropped Stillmatic, which was a good album. Nas went another route. It isn't the most popular or eye catching but he's found himself (about time because doing another "I Am..." would be a very bad idea) As far as 50, I don't hate him. It's just that he doesn't impress me lyrically bu he don't care about outstanding lyrics, just outstanding sales. That kinda irks me but my opinion about his lack of lyrical skills ain't gonna stop the 106th & Park kids and especially the chicks from coppin his album. They only listen to the beats and the hooks anyway.

YEAH PEOPLE THATS WHAT I LIKE TO SEE..US HAVIN IT OUT OVER WHO'S THE BEST MC ETC...IMA SAY THIS 1 MORE TIME HOVA IS THE KING(ALIVE)AND I SEE NOBODY ANSWERED MY QUES HOW MANY SUMMERS HAS NAS HELD IT DOWN???ALL U SILLY FOLK TALKIN BOUT IF PAC WAS ALIVE..IF BIG WAS ALIVE...STOP IT..R.I.P TO BOTH OF THEM..THE BUT REALITY IS THEY'RE GONE AND HOVA IS STILL HERE DOIN WHAT THEY WOULD'VE DONE.....WIN!..AND THE FOOL THAT SAID PUN PUT A GUN IN HOV FACE??"WE DON'T BELIEVE U..U NEED MORE PEOPLE"...NAS?JADA IS ON YOUR TRAIL..NIGGAZ DONT KNOW RAP...TALKIN BOUT NELLY...SINGING AND RAPPIN..WE NEVER EVEN SPOKE ON NELLY STICK TO THE TOPIC...WACK JOE..NAS..HOVA AND WHERE THE HELL IS REDMAN??...AGAIN RAP/HIPHOP..IS ABOUT LYRICS AND IMPACT....IMAGE KICKS IN AFTER THAT TRUST ME..SAME FOLK HATIN ARE THE SAME FOLK WIT THAT BUTTON UP IN THEYRE CLOSET NOW...WHY?CAUSE OF WHAT JIGGA SAID..HAHAHA..DAMN FAT JOE YA NEW SONG SOUND JUST LIKE HOV SONG DAMN..AND JUST BLAZE DID IT?WOW..YEAH HOV DON'T RETIRE CAUSE NIGGAZ WILL BE TRYIN TO SOUND AND DO WHAT U DO AND GOD KNOWS WE DONT NEED ANYMORE HAROLD MINER"S...I KNOW DITC CREW IS LOOKIN LIKE WHERE'S JOE?..AND HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WAITIN ON A REMY LP 4REAL?STOP IT!!

BWARE amde some good points. I'm a Jay Z fan myself but you ain't gonna see me proclaiming him king, president or whatever. It ain't that serious, B. People: this is a simple reminder that "fan" is short for the word FANATIC.

Let me add my 2 cent to this discussion. First of all, the rap game is what it is..a game. No one goes into it just for the love of it. Its all about the benjamins. Personally, I listen to everything, from the radio hits to the underground, and I certainly aint hating nobody just because he's not doing what I THINK he should be doing. Lets take it backt to the old school..LL Cool J and KRS ONE. Both dudes are hot but took different paths. LL the radio way, KRS the knowledge way. This doesnt make either MC wack or less successful in their chosen path. What really makes a good MC first of all is his lyrical prowess, then his personality. Now we have Jay Z and Nas..same story. People, lets put it into perspective. Jay Z is not lyrically vast as Nas, but Nas aint as professionally minded and innovative as Jay Z. That doesnt take anything from this guys. I believe Hova is still the most successful rap artist out there cos he knew what he wanted and went for it with a dedicated attitude. Nas is my man though, cos lyrically the guy just keeps elevating the rap game to a new level.
In summary, lets stop hating someone cos we dont feel his style, or we think the person is a sellout. If you are not in the business to sell millions, rep your block. As per who is the King of NY, I dont give a monkeys..They aint putting food on my table.

Couldn't have said it better. However, these kids don't see that. They all about drama. "he aint real" "he's a sellout" "He sold 5 mil so he's the greatest"....all of that is girly girl stuff. I love hip-hop but hip-hop ain't payin' my bills or feeding me. I'm not on Jay's payroll, I'm not claimin' G-Unit, I'm not signed to Ill Will records, I don't have a TS piece, I'm not on D-Block's street team. I'm just a cat that grew up loving hip-hop. As far as Fat Joe making a song that sounds like PSA and using the same producer to boot, that's kinda suspect. Will Jay make another album? Maybe. Will 50 ever be respected lyrically? Probably not but it won't affect his sales. Will Nas get the respect he deserves. Probably after he's left the game. Will Fat Joe ever be consistent? Who knows. He aint wack but he ain't no Pun but then again no one will ever be. Will Big Pun ever be respected the way he should be? Maybe.....he was one of the best to ever do it. Will Ja Rule ever recover from the stain 50 put on his career? Doesn't look like it. Will the wackness of my region, The South, continue to reign on the airwaves? Probably. I'm ashamed to be from the region of the country that produced acts like Trillville, Lil Scrappy, 3-6, Petey Pablo, Lil Jon, JD, Trick Daddy, Mystikal, etc. I hold my head in shame. I mean we have our dope artists too like Scarface, Luda, OutKast, T.I., etc. but the wack ones grossly outnumber them. Most Southern MCs ain't exactly known for their lyrical innovation. As far as the West, I like a lot of West Coast artists but they get no love on the radio here. Only Snoop and the Game get burn on the airwaves down here for some reason. The West needs someone to put the rap game in a choke hold again. Guerilla Black ain't the one though...I would have thought Xzibit or Ras Kass would be that dude but that hasn't happened. The Midwest is in there with Kanye, Twista, Bumpy Johnson, etc. The East Coast is still the pre- eminent region though.

These cats are all just the peeps that were in the right place at the right time. They hustled and did their thing, but none of them cats mentioned are the best rappers to ever live nor are they the best rappers alive now. I like both Nas and Jay's stuff, but neither of their current styles and topics is all that unique. In my area we have colledge radio stations that play hundreds of mostly unknown mc's that spit with ten thousand times the skills of either but have no means for reaching the same fan base. What I'm gettin at is that I don't think either one is all that great lyrically but they do make some tight songs. I like their songs and appreciate their lyrics but even the king of New York deal is about popularity more than lyrical skills. IT"S ALL HYPE AND THAT"S THAT! They are both aaite and that's that. They simply play to 2 differnt crowds. Neither is really keepin it real!!!

"Get your CDs out we can go song for song ... I'm the illest nigga doin it til yall prove me wrong." Thats all I gotta say. I'm not on HOv's payroll but the truth is the truth. It aint about record sales, it's about Nas making mediocre albums while Hov consistantly made quality. Nas is fake period. He never sold crack so he isnt Escobar, he never did nothing wit Biggie like he claims on "got urself a gun", All that talk about Hov getting chased from his buildings in 88(from ether) ... c'mon how would a broke weed smoking teenager from Queens know what a husler from Brooklyn was doing!Nas bit off of Pac's flow from me against the world. sorry JHOVA BUT THE FACTS ARE FACTS, KEEP THINKING ITS COOL TO GO WITH THE UNDERDOG. NAS IS A LAME JUST LIKE IT SAYS ON TAKEOVER ... deal with it.

And JHOVA why does a Jigga hater call himself JHOVA, get off my man dick if u gon hate ... damn.

It is kinda stupid to call yourself JHOVA but wanna spit venom at the same cat you named yourself after. That some real bootylicious behavior. Punk sh!t.

Actually, my bad. Dude never said anything about Jay. My bad homie for calling you stupid. My ignorant a$$ should have read more carefully.

IM WIT THAT CAT BWARE...HOVA..HOVA!!S.CANT BE TOUCHED..AND HOVA DOESNT DO 4..5..MIL..HE DOES 2 MIL EVERYTIME OUT ATND ALWAYS GIVES US 3 OR 4 ANTHEMS TO RUN WIT..I SAID ETHER WAS HOT..BUT THIS IS A MARATHON NAS GOT ANYTHING LEFT IN THE TANK?OR SHOULD WE WAIT FOR HIM TO DO A JOINT WIT KELIS??HAHAHA..BWARE U FUNNY I LIKE THAT..REMY MA IS TRASH..CANT WAIT ON LAURYN TO DROP!!!

most of the people on here must be teenagers because that bull your talking sounds like kids stuff! Rakim is the greatest emcee ever. Krs, Chuck D, Cube, G-rap, Kane and LL are all tied for second! Nas is the best out the newer crop along with Jada! Biggie was great but 2 cd's won't cut it. Pac was not an emcee but a emotional poetry writer. Jay-z is a hustler and a darn good one a "GREAT" one to be exact! Then you have people like Pharohe Monch and Eminem and all those other lyricist too! You cats need to leave that rap alone and get in tuned to hip-hop! Now challenge what I said and I swear I'll embarrass your @ss on this site! Try Me!

OK....Rakim is probably THE most influental MC ever. His flow gave birth to cats like Pac, BIG, Jay & Nas. Most of these cats probably never even heard Kane or Chuck D spit. Ol' boy mentioned a lot of the greats. These 106th & Park brats don't know nothing about that. They wouldn't be able to relate. They stuck on what they know which is the bullsh!t being given to them on radio and these videos. Anything that's different from the program will be dissed and dismissed for being different.

However...the topic ain't about that though. (nowdays, if you came out in 199, you OLD SCHOOL. It's funny to see a video from 3 yrs ago as the old school joint of the day on BET) It's about Fat Joe coming off like Jay with his new joint. We have strayed SO FAR AWAY from the subject

I hope Nas still has a little left for that punck bitch half dollar. This bitch nigga 50 trying to commit lyrical suicide, trying to beef wit joey crack, nas, kiss, and others at the same time? what's wrong wit this cat? that nigga kiss gonna put that steroid up freak 50's six pack on ice.

Y'all gonna hate me for this one but I gotta comment on this quote from majorpayne21. "Biggie was great but 2 cd's won't cut it. Pac was not an emcee but a emotional poetry writer"-Those statements will generate a LOT of angry comments from the FANATICS out there. I don't feel like either of them was the greatest but they were nice with theirs in their own different ways. BIG's FLOW was nicer than Pac's but Pac had better subject matter from time to time. However, this isn't the subject at hand.

There...I said it.

Back to Fat Joe......I like dude's music and all but he really bit of off Jay with that new joint he got. No biting has been the #1 rule in Hip-Hop as long as I can remember. Like Ghost said on "Shark Niggas" on Only Built 4 Cuban Linx..."Come wit' your own sh!t, be original and you'll be a better man. Take it how you wanna take it man, f**k it!"

the problem with hip hop now is you guys from this new generation want everything now you dont support real hip hop you support whats on MTV WHO IS MAKING THE MOST MONEY the art itself is dead ..if NAS/KISS etc cats spitting the truth aint making no money or playing on the airwaves as much you hate him but then you want to jump on the bandwagon when he came back and battled jay z come on you guys aint real i was lauthing reading all this shit ive been A.R. for columbia records for 5 years and we just toss demos in the garbage looking for that next 50 or jay z or that next thing so the company i work for makes all this money and when that artist is done we toss him and look for the next one cause you guys got no true love for hip hop you guys just want that next hot thing at one time you guys loved JA -RULE look at him now ..now you love 50 and he is doing the same shit ..dont get fooled with the all the money and record sales most of that money goes to the record label for promotion and everything else the fancy cars and nice house thats all credit a loaner ...you can lost it but your pride you cant ..jay z wont die with his money but his pride he will ...i bet he loves his money ..you see you guys dont love the art but that money dont preach to me show me that money you guys betrayed jesus just the way we betrayed malcolm x ..you betrayed the art ...you love that fake shit and we will continue to feed you that shit cause it makes money .

THAT is only the 3rd post I read that actually made sense. These bullsh!t artists will continue doing what they do because it's accepted to do such. The REAL atists will suffer for it. People will continue to turn a deaf ear to anything that really REAL because they may not be talking about a bunch of bullsh!t like rims, cars, women and all that.

These new cats, most of them have 0 respect for the culture or themselves for that matter. The have all the love and respect for the dough. Money is their God and they will say and do anything to serve that god(money). That's why you have a Ja Rule(wack). That's why you have a 50 Cent(wacker). That's why you have a Nelly(do I really have to say it...). That's why you have a Jay Z(and yeah I'm a Jay fan). These are just a few prime examples of what dude was talking about.

THATS ALSO THE PROBLEM LABELS LOOKIN FOR THE NEXT JAY AND 50...NOT GONNA HAPPEN..INSTEAD OF GETTIN OUT HERE AND FINDING NEW TALENT CATS JUST RECYCLE
OVER AND OVER..IM TIRED OF THE SAME FOLK GETTIN THE SAME AWARDS YR AFTER YR 2..AND IM HOV 1 FAN BUT I WOULD BET AGANIST HIM ON PUTTIN OUT BLEEK 1ST..THEN FOXY..WE ALREADY WENT THAT WAY HOV..DO SOMETHING UNIQUE LIKE GET (LIL WAYNE AND T I) TO DO A RECORD TOGETHER THEN PUT IT OUT ON DEFJAM..OH IT CAN BE DONE PEOPLE TRUST ME..OR DROP M.O.P 1ST..THEM WIT LIL JON?OH BOY..ANYTHING BUT BLEEK AND FOXY WASHED UP ASS!!

As for 50 Cent... He sales records because of melodic hooks, gimmicks, affiliation, and his story! Do you think he sold 11 million records because he's that nice??.. or because he sold he's story of being shot well and he's being indorsed by emenin(50 just copped all of emenin's white fan base)?? How many records a nigga sales isn't soley reflective of his talents!!! There is a lot more other shit involved and only blind niggaz don't see that!!! 50 has sold more than Biggie so does that mean he is nicer than Biggie??? Fuck no!!!Ya'll niggaz got to get out of this imagery world and think with some street smarts!! 50 doggs Ja Rule for the same thing he does on almost every record he puts out. . . SINGING!!! This nigga goes on national TV (106&prak) and tells AJ and Free that Murder INC. was started of crack money, then the very next day Murder INC. offices is raided by the feds!!! This nigga is a fucking snitch!!! How this nigga cop a felony case and only get 6 months in a boot camp???? He's a fucking snitch!!! Fuck a nigga making good music, I got to respect him first!! I'mma a man before I'm a fan!!! ....... And as for Nas..... He's rich and his family is straight so as far as money he is content!! Because of that contentment, he makes music from his soul with out the greed for a lot more money deluding his creativity!! How can you knock a nigga for that????? I'll tell you this man... when I'm going thru some shit in my life as a grown ass man, I'mm think of a Nas verse and not how much fucking money 50 Cent got.. In other words Nas' focus will have a much lastinng affect on our lives than what the fuck 50 Cent is talking about!! Plus it ain't like he'saling like one of them conscious niggaz.. he's still caked up!!! Ya'll nigaaz is trips man.. Ya'll niggaz be reading to many mags and watching to much TRL or something man!!! LOL LOL

I agree with a lot of this, but sometimes it seems that newer artists get punished for having sucess (mainly Hova). Like I said earlier Nas may talk about deeper things but when has it been hot. Black girl lost, Poisen, One mic were all hot but he also made Oichie Wally Wally, he also puts his father on the chorus after Hova had his moms on the chorus. I mean just b/c cats was out it the early 90s dont mean that their better than Biggy Pac and Jay. Kane is a legond but he also tried to be a New Jack loverboy, if you gon nitpick at Biggy Pac and Jay then you gotta nitpick at everybody else, and at the end of the day I dont think that anybody will stack up with Big Pac and Jay. Yes Big only made two albums but they were both classics and he didnt decide to die so early. Yes Pac never spit Rakim caliber lyrics, but was Rakim the hard working artist that Pac was, remember Pac recorded All Eyez on Me disc one in two sessions. You mention how Rakim birthed Pac and Nas, but Pac birthed Ja, X, Cam, Lil Wayne ect. They all wish that they could be Pac. Ask Scarface, he'll even tell you that the hardest working rapper was Pac. When Pac died West Coast rap went with him. Cam loves to think that he has harlem on his back but Pac really did have the west on his back and he held it down. Jay did what Big Pac Kane and all the other legonds could never do. He took where every rapper wants to take and even gave us a Blueprint to follow. Nit pick at them the way you nitpick at the trinity of hip hop and yall see who the trinity of rap is.

Another valid point made. Bleek is garbage, always has been. Why try to find Jay Z clones when there are thousands of unsigned original cats out there waiting for the chance? Oh my bad...these labels don't want anything original. They want the same cookie cutter MCs. Why? MONEY. By the way....WHERE THE HELL IS M.O.P.?????? You put out another garbage State Property album before an M.O.P. album? Cmon man!!!!! M.O.P. was with Jay them long enough to put out at least 3 albums by now. What is their future?

By the way, Jay's mom wasn't the hook on any song he ever made. I know you're referring to Dec. 4th on the Black Album. That wasn't a hook. matter of fact, there wasn't even a hook involved. Please stop riding Jay's dick, partner. You act as if Jay Z, BIG and Pac were the 3 greatest of all time. Maybe in your own opinion they are and that's cool if you feel that way but stop trying so hard to convince the world of this. Everyone doesn't share your opinion and everyone doesn't share my opinion either. I guess you feel like I'm a hater because I disagree but that would show a lack of maturity much like a lot of our artists in our culture. Yeah Jay Z made a lot of money. That's wonderful but that doesn't impress people of substance. Only shallow idiots are impressed by the things people have. You can have success but at what cost? Would you wanna be 50 right now? Yeah he's rich but he is probably THE most hated rapper within the industry. You gonna get hated on if you are successful anyway but he goes out of his way to make peoplehate him by the things he says and does. What he did at Summer Jam wasn't called for. Piggy Bank wasn't necessary cuz Jada & Fat Joe never dissed the boy.

As for Cam'Ron...dude is lazy with his pen. he got potential to be a better lyricist than he is. Come home with me was wack. Diplomatic Immunity I & II are both garbage. Hot beats but nothing else.

As for BDK....He dropped some classics but he played himself with the mr Loverman bullsh!t. I wish he hadn't of done that. he'll still destroy some of these new cats though.

To be honest, we'd probably call BIG a sellout too because he was commercial by the time he passed. He would probably be what Jay is now. Not saying that BIG was wack because he wasn't by far. Jay ain't wack either.

What I can't understand is why people are putting Lil' Wayne and Jay in the same sentence. The lil homie is garbage but that's just MY opinion. hell, he ain't even Cam's class. You ever sat and listened to Go DJ or any of of Lil' Wayne's albums? C'mon man....be real with yourselves here. I'm not hating on him because my opinion ain't gonna stop nobody from selling a record but he's just not very impressive to me.

like i said you guys will never understand you believe that 50 and dipset and jay shit i see this niggaas all the time at promotional /marketing partys i see jay ..ja rule ...etc they only care about that money comeing in they dont care about that mark there are leaving that real street hustle all that real street thug making that dollar to survive or you niggas writeing shit on this forum they only care about that next hot beat and that crazy comercial hook so that you buy there next album they dont care about the substance or content of the album they want your money a true thug doesnt drink moet and smoke the best cigars and chill at grammy awards and party with tom cruise and other celeberties you think they care about you hell no you guys dont understand like i said i listen to demos all day looking for that same bullshit the new shit...the new shit is those instrumental beat cd we got these cats that flow over them thinking there the next shit but thats not orginal how can you flow over a beat that someone already used thats biteing you have to copy the flow of that rap artist who first flowed over that beat the new shit is the 50 beats dam i tossed that shit out quick at columbia its different lyrics but the flow is either like jay or 50 cent damm i hate that shit ..and on this point the big pun putting piece to jay z was real
everyone in the industry knows about this jay did some ill shit that was wrong ..as far as fat joe this cat is real he loves his peoples and the art of hip hop always did he has been around since 89 i saw all his shows in the bronx,bk,queens,strong island,etc he gets love everywhere he goes like jada ,M.O.P,NAS,KRS,ETC...THE WHOLE OF THIS IS KEEP IT REAL ...REMEMBER WHERE YOU CAME FROM CAUSE YOU MIGHT BACK WITH NO MONEY...KEEP THE ART OF HIP HOP REAL ..CRIMINAL MINDED YOU BEEN BLINDED ...QUOTE KRS ..MISS YOU BIGGIE ..BIG L..

It's a shame that songs like "Go DJ" & "Candy Shop" are considered real Hip Hop. THIS is what rap has been reduced to? Damn......

I aint riding Jay's dick, I'm just sayin the facts. Everysince stillmatic Nas has always dropped after Jay, never before. Jay puts his mom (in b/t versus ... you happy BLACK) next thing you know Nas' daddy is own a chorus ... c'mon. Im not impressed with the money either. Jay is hot ... period. Jay dont do that 50 cent publicity stunt bullshit, and futhermore 50 cant spit, he's below average wit his lyrics, he's so shitty that he is making Banks lower the caliber of his rhymes so he can sell like 50. Cam could be hot but he stuck on the rhyme wit the same words format (Jam wit dem Jammes, Blam Blam Camm) that shit is getting old. Lil Wayne is hot though, listen to "the prefix", its a lil wayne mixtape that came out last summer and he spits fire. Listen to Lil Wayne rip the Renagade beat better than Hov and Em. For real, the best new artist right now are T.I., Luda, Kiss, Banks, Lil Wayne, and possibly young Chris (but Neef and State P are holding him back). Of course 50 sells but he's trash, he should let Banks ghost write for him. Like I said earlier, nitpick everyone equally and yall see that Big, Jay and Pac are the hottest.

FAT JOE GETS THAT EXTRA LOVE CAUSE HE'S THE ONLY REAL CUBAN..LATINO ON THE SCENE..IF JOE WAS JUST ANOTHA FAT BLACK RAPPER HE WOULD GET NO LOVE...NOT TO MAKE IT A RACE THING BUT ITS THE TRUTH..THE NUMBERS DONT LIE..AND STOP HATIN ON HOVA YO..I KNOW U MAD HE AINT AT COLUMBIA..AND YALL STUCK WIT NAS..BUT THATS NOT HOV FAULT..HE'S THE MIKE JORDAN OF RAP...HE'S HELD DOWN EVERY SUMMER WHAT RAPPER HAS DONE THAT??MATTER OF FACT COLUMBIA?..YALL HAD 50 AND DROPPED THE BALL SO DONT EVEN SPEAK ABOUT RAPPERS..YALL SICK RIGHT NOW..AND YALL HAD A KEYS AND FUCKED THAT UP NOW LOOK..THEY'RE MEGA..HAHAHA..WHAT U GOTTA SAY?EVERYBODY LISTENING MAN...U GOTTA DO SOMETHING BABY...I KNOW U AINT GONNA JUST LET BNICE DO U LIKE THAT?POP OFF...HAHAHAHA

are you 4 real you think i give a fuck about columbia be 4 real iam just doing my job cause i love hip hop but you dum mother fuckers love 50 cent and that jay shit so i got to look for that comercial shit that you fake ass young cats like that new school shit where you just like the fat hooks and fat beats but with no teeth no contents here you are talking about fat joe latino on the scene fuck latin or spanish fuck them iam talking about hip hop stupid that shit that make you burn slow not that catchy hook jay z 50 cent wack shit you mean to tell me a nigga was given a mic so he can speak to billions of niggia in the world and get paid for it.. niggas died to speak the truth and here you have jay and 50 spittin catchy hooks ..come on iam old school you cats are so blind you liveing a lie you believe that MTV SHIT FUCK COLUMBIA RECORDS its a job for me i love the art but i have to listen to fake ass shit cause of you new school cats dont know real hip hop and fuck latin this has nothing to do with race but since you want to bring that shit up i dont remember any of my boys from BK being a whiteboy trying to survice in these projects like eminiem as far as latin iam remember them fighting that same struggle plus who cares about race anyway iam black i got family in cuba who cares why bring that shit up the real true audience that can afford records is white anglo and you fake ass niggas like you that love that comercial shit and when you get tired of jay z you jump the bandwagon you aint a true fan of hov ..you see this some corny shit "I KNOW U AINT GONNA JUST LET BNICE DO U LIKE THAT?POP OFF...HAHAHAHA "i bet your trying to be a rapper to right do me a favor dont spit over some insrumental shit or your going in the garbage ..you see you that new school shit that dipset shit that comercial shit you are comercial like i said i dont care about columbia just a check for me ...here you are talking about who held a whole summer if your shit is haveing that comercial success guess what every record company well spend money to make sure you shit plays for a whole summer ...

im wit bnice on that but get ur own punch lines dont be another follower

NEW SCHOOL?NIGGA IM 35..U TALKIN BOUT HOVA DOES IT FOR A CHECK?THATS THE SAME DUM SHIT U JUST SAID..U WORK AT COLUMBIA AND ITS JUST A CHECK??SO ARE U A SELLOUT JUST TAKIN THE DOE?THATS WHAT U SOUND LIKE..IF U DID CARE ABOUT THE RAP GAME GO IN WILL BOTWIN..OR DONNIE OFC AND TELL THEM TO FIND SOME HOT RAPPERS CAUSE COLUMBIA SUCKS IN THAT FIELD AND U MAY BE THE REASON WHY..I KNOW THEYRE TIRED OF CATCHIN LAWSUITS...LIL FLIP..PETER GUNZ ETC..MTV SHIT?CATCHY HOOKS?FOOL THATS PART OF THE PROCESS..HOT BEATS AND HOOKS..ALONG WIT LYRICS..NIGGAZ BE HATIN...DAMN..NOW YALL SEE WHY THE GAME IS FUCKED UP GOT CATS LIKE THIS IN THE WAY OF REAL CATS FINDING REAL TALENT..NOT HATIN ON WHAT THE PEOPLE ALREADY SHOWED U THEY LOVE..FOOL WE LOVE HOVA AND 50..U PROBABLY THE DUM A&R THAT TOLD COLUMBIA TO DROP 50 AFTER HE GOT SHOT...U A WORKER HOVA AND 50 ARE BOSSES..U MAY NEED A JOB..THEY COULD ALWAYS USE SOMEBODY TO HANDOUT FLYERS!!!

bnice i think he got you kid but i cant understand why you on JAYz dick the cat is nice but dam you on him like that but b-nice its true what he said you got to keep it real ..i agree

no one is fucking g-unit or shady cause joey crack is wack shyne is wack and ja is wack only kiss and nasty stand a chance. lets leave jay outta this one cause no rapper now is fucking with him

TOSS THAT DEMO...MY BAD..I WAS TRYNA BE FUNNY TO THE COLUMBIA CLOWN..WIT A LIL 50 TALK U KNOW..SINCE THEY FEEL LIKE ASSHOLES RIGHT NOW..CAN U NAME ANY RAPPERS ON COLUMBIA BESIDES NAS&LIL FLIP?HURRY ILL SEND U 100$..HAHA..HOVA FOR PRES..HAHAHAHA..COLUMBIA..J HO HOPEZ..HAHA..YEAH RIGHT...CANT WAIT ON THAT BOW WOW RECORD...SIKE!!

BLAZE..I JUST HATE WHEN NIGGAZ COME AT THE BEST THATS ALL...PAC IS MY FAVORITE OF ALL TIME..BUT HOVA TOOK IT THERE AND NIGGAZ ACT LIKE IT WAS A MISTAKE..THAT DUDE CANT BE TOUCHED

dam yo you upset like i just shoot yo take a breath and relax talking about handing out fliers and you 35 ..come on ..every record company loves your fake ass any record company i go to does the same thing ..talking about THATS PART OF THE PROCESS..HOT BEATS AND HOOKS..ALONG WIT LYRICS..that the problem no lyrics just the hooks and beats thats what you like ...talking about iam a sellout you demand that shit thats what the record company is going to give you say something with substance and talking about you 35 on jayz dick you love him you a groupie or you like his comercial shit which one ..you homo thug on jay z dick

THAT NIGGA IS MAKING SOME SENSE AT COLUMBIA HES JUST DOING HIS SHIT PICKING MTV PLAYS ALL THE TIME IAM TIRED OF THAT 50 CENT SHIT TOO...AND THAT JAY SHIT ...I WANT THAT REAL SHIT ...DAM ITS A SHAME BIGGIE IS DEAD ..YOU NEW SCHOOL CAT FUCKING IT UP FOR EVERYBODY ...THAT CAT COLUMBIA KEEPING IT REAL YO...SHYNE AINT WACK YOU CRAZY NIGGA ...THAT NIGGAS LOCKED UP TRYING TO GET OUT LET ME SEE YOU LOCKED UP TALKING SHIT

FOOL UPSET NEVA..HOMO THUG? NAH THATS YA POPS..JAY Z GOT THE LYRICS DUMASS THATS WHY HE'S #1..SENSITIVE THUG..TALKIN BOUT RIDIN DICKS..FOOL WE TALKIN BOUT RAP..U PROBABLY A BABY AND MANNIE FRESH FAN...GOT A SIX FT POSTER OF LIL WAYNE ON YA DOOR?NIGGA RECONIZE REAL

yo iam oldschool that nigga from columbia records telling the truth he keepin it real fuck 50 but jay alright even though he comercial ..but hip hop is dead its true yall new school CATS fucking it up for everbody ..WESTSIDE IS THE BESTSIDE YOU CANT HAVE 50 CENT BACK SEND THAT NIGGA BACK TO EAST COAST OR FAKECOAST RIDEIND THE COATAIL OF EM AND DR DRE

YO THAT WAS MAD CORNY BUT HE GOT YOU ...YOU ON JAY Z DICK POSTED BY RIDER FOR LIFE

FOOL UPSET NEVA..HOMO THUG? NAH THATS YA POPS..JAY Z GOT THE LYRICS DUMASS THATS WHY HE'S #1..SENSITIVE THUG..TALKIN BOUT RIDIN DICKS..FOOL WE TALKIN BOUT RAP..U PROBABLY A BABY AND MANNIE FRESH FAN...GOT A SIX FT POSTER OF LIL WAYNE ON YA DOOR?NIGGA RECONIZE REAL////

YO WHY YOU ON JAY Z DICK THAT NIGGA FROM COLUMBIA IS DROPPING SCIENCE HE IS KEEPING IT REAL ...TELL THE FACTS KEEP YOUR EARS CLOSE TO THE STREET JAY AND 50 GET NO LOVE

who wrote this stupid high school shit jay z got the lyrics ..you a homo 4 real

FOOL UPSET NEVA..HOMO THUG? NAH THATS YA POPS..JAY Z GOT THE LYRICS DUMASS THATS WHY HE'S #1..SENSITIVE THUG..TALKIN BOUT RIDIN DICKS..FOOL WE TALKIN BOUT RAP..U PROBABLY A BABY AND MANNIE FRESH FAN...GOT A SIX FT POSTER OF LIL WAYNE ON YA DOOR?NIGGA RECONIZE REAL

YOU CATS TALK SO MUCH SHIT, 50, JAY, AND ALL THE REST SELL SHIT RECORDS TO TEENAGE WHITE GIRL AND BOY THAT DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT MUSIC, THAT'RE JUST TRYIN TO WASTE THEIR PARENTS LOOT
THOSE ARTIST DON'T HAVE ??
GROUPS LIKE AD/CD(HAVE'T MAKE A TRACK IN 20 YEARS, BOB MARLEY(DEAD), NORAH JONE, ASHLEE SIMPSON , AND A HOST OF COUNTRY SINGER HAVE SOLD 20 MILLION UNIT, TELL ME WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT 50, JAY-Z AND THE REST , THAT RIGHT THEY ALL CAN MAKE DIS RECORDS ABOUT THESE RAP-ASS-WHOLE, TELLING THAT THAT SOLD MORE AND GOT MORE AND ARE REAL STREET
I'M BALTIMORE AND I DON'T KNOW ONR PERSON IN MY HOOD THAT HAVE REAL COPY OF ANY OF THESE RAP ARTIST RECORDS, ALL BOOTLEGES, BILLBOARD DON'T MAKE YOU HOT, THE STREETS DOES...

Hold on ... dude at Columbia sounds awfully bitter, rap is a business and business damn sure aint good at Columbia. First off all Nas knew shit is weak, for a double CD its only ten cuts on that weak shit. Pac and Biggie know how to release double CDs, even the Blueprint 2 was better than that Streets Deciple bullshit. Meet the Parents, Some People Hate, It was all a dream c'mon ... Bnice is tellin the truth, HOva is the god of the shit ... he took where Big and Pac couldnt take it ... all yall haters on here are the same dumb niggaz who would probably hate on Big and Pac had they lived. Niggaz is bitter and yall gotta hate on the nigga on top ... "What you eat dont make me shit"

1st and foremost, how did every poster forget the topic at hand? Fat Joe lately has been biting Jay-Z's flow hard, its very apparent that he has been trying to make duplicates of past records to gain popularity, ex: Victim compared to U Don't Know and Da Incredible compared to Breathe. But what he has failed to do is create something fresh like he did with Lean Back, which I think was a fluke record anyway, that'll never happen again.

And as far as this Jay-Z/Nas thing goes, you can't really compare if you're gonna bring up things like record sales, I would just go by critical acclaim, and the records say that Jay-Z HAS made 3 classic albums whereas Nas only has two, one of which the buzz was created by Jay-Z (Stillmatic). If anyone actually remembers these things instead of reading about them, Takeover was unleashed during SummerJam of 2001, which was in early August. The Blueprint came out in September 2001, the following October marked the release of Nas' song "Stillmatic" with the h-to the izzo, m- to the omo line, then Nas released Ether in November, and two days after ether hit the radio, Jay-Z had a response on the air. How come no one compares Takeover to Stillmatic??? LOL, I bet that woulda created different results, Jay-Z responded to Nas in two days, and Nas took three months to respond. And in comparing Takeover to Ether, even as a Jay fan, I still say Nas won, but really, did it do anything for his career anyway? LOL. Jay-Z has done things for Hip Hop that your hero Nas will NEVER accomplish because he's so caught up in his own selfish little world. The God's Son album??? What a joke, his excuse was "I made that album myself." Well to quote 50, "If you made it for yourself, you shoula never released it and kept it in your goddamn headphones." Realistically, if hip hop was the way most of you want it to be, rappers wouldn't have sneaker deals and be the spokespeople for certain products, and hip hop wouldn't have the voice it has today, so shut it up about your "Real Hip Hop" because you're real hip hop is powerless and broke and lives in a studio apartment while modern hip hop comes from humble beginnings and grows to gain whatever it desires. That my friends is what hip hop is about, it is still the art is used to be, but today's standards of living have just changed. The artists of today who make club bangers and sell millions (50 Cent, Jay-Z) are able to influence more people than your so-called hip hop purists (Nas, Immortal Technique, Mos Def). Giving young people the feeling that self-expression is okay has always been the goal of hip hop, and with a variation of artists like Outkast, Nelly, The Game, Pitbull, Lil Jon, Jay-Z, even Kardinal Offishall, it just shows that being different is a good thing. If everybody is preaching and telling sob stories, and no one is trying to have fun with it, the world would be a gloomy place. So stop being so closed minded and think about something else other than the backpacking crap you've been feeding yourself, try to understand why people like things instead of being so judgemental. Take out your Nas CD and go buy the Chingy album.....well you don't have to go that far, LOL, but just lighten up a bit. Try something different, I bought Lil Flip's "Undaground Legend" back in 2003, and now I'm 10 times more open minded than I used to be about hip hop, sometimes you just gotta take a jump to understand things better and stop hatin for a minute. I encourage everyone to go to the record store tomorrow and buy a rap album of someone they never paid attention to before, you'd be suprised what you find...

Alot of people obviously doesn't know real music. Biggie was a RAPPER, Jay-z is a Rapper, Nas well lets just say he is stuck in the matrix right now. I can honestly say since Biggie,Jay-z has been that one dude who's music I can listen to straight forward, I have never skiped a record on Jayz's album with a exception of having to rewind just to make sure that's what that dude just really said. God bless you brother Nas with the Educational shit but technically we want music. Although I'm in love with that one song, Street diciples featuring Quan, that's a beautiful record. Oh yeah since when has Fat Joe become a rapper, He's been having his homies starving while he's eating but you want to put this dirty looking chick on the map. Stupid ***. Yeah but that's what real nigga's do. Yeah he rolls with wild puerto ricans so what, there's always a loose goose where ever you go. 50 got all his nigga's eating. Shit if Game isn't with 50 no more, so what. He got more out that short deal than the whole terror squad will see from Joe. If there is one thing I can say for them, is that I am pretty damn sure they are sick and tired of just being in the videos. Whatever happened to Prospect and Sosa, Ammargetti, because God knows and anyone who's knows whatis rap is sick of seeing his fat ***! Congradulations to 50 Cent's once again. He is the #1 stunna. Enjoy Life baby you only live once, well in your case I'm not really sure,lol..... Biggie, Jay-z and 50 Cent are our #1 ERAS

Yo Logic:

The fact that folks on here straight overlooked the original Fat Joe subject is evidence to how IRRELEVANT Joey Crack really is. Dude just swears he's on top now -- but ain't nobody checking for him. He should be glad 50 even spoke his name and gave him some shine. The fact is that Fat joe is a biter, has no personal identity and is thinks he's a sexy thug. Absolutely NOT!

Damn I cant believe all da bullshit i'm seeing in here about fake emcees and real emcees. Let's all go back for a minute. Back when rap first came out. EVERY EMCEE WAS A COMMERCIAL RAPPER!!! This is because the white man saw that rap and hip hop was the future and everybody wanted to jump on board. Nigga Kurtis Blow and cats like run dmc, big daddy kane, run dmc had their pictures everywhere. For anyone to judge today who is and who aint a real emcee based on public opinion is garbage. Niggas gonna like emcees on the story line they tell. One nigga may relate better to 50 than to a nigga like common. Don't take shit away from these cats. They all got talent. Some of them have better luck relating to the majority of us than others..

damn i meant to grandmaster flash, instead of run-dmc the second time***

Fat Joe is eating, his people are starving. Nas is eating his people are starving. Jay-z is eating is his people are well fed. 50 is eating and his people are well fed. You have to remember where you came from before you get to where you going and half the time the same niggas you came up with ain't to fuck wit, It's a diffrence between real niggas and leeches

Yo Logic :

Thank you very much, he doesn't have his own indentity. What certain rappers think is rapping is garbage. Joe you have been trying for years I know you have to play bills but it's to let it go, oh yeah and LL TOO

whats real funny is fat joe has been in the game forever the last 3 post regarding fat joe is the same people get a life ..who cares about fat joe anyway hip hop is lost ..talking all this shit about fat joe but he ran the whole summer and dont say he didnt run the whole summer cause he did ..yall need stop get off jay z dick cause that nigga bite from everyone he has been around since hawaii sofie half of you niggas dont know that shit before there was a roc a fella that wack ass nigga was in parks doing street jams that nigga was wack thats why he took so long to blow up cause he needed comercial sucess and you new school cats to listen to him cause yall niggas love that comercial shit ..fck fat joe ..you dumb motherfuckers talking about fat joe like he is a god ohh he bit off jayz ..jay z never in his life had his own idea .he stole just like puffy did just like ll. coolj but you niggas are so stupid you love that MTV SHIT ..I MISS WHEN NO ONE KNEW WHAT HIP HOP WAS JUST NEW YORK WE HAD ARE OWN STYLE Are own way of speaking and dressing you would go to boston /atlanta/maryland anywhere from new york those niggas would be so lost if you played hip hop or the way you dressed or spoke but now all you motherfuckers have mtv /vh1 or the radio you see it and want to copy it you never knew what hip hop was you saw on tv now you swear you know it all never been on city street and swear you hard cause you saw a 50 cent video fake ass ..get the fuck off the dick be yourself ...talking that nas is wack you crazy thats the only nigga right now that can realy spit for real ...go to the real hood and say nas is wack that nigga was in central park lat summer getting mad love telling everybody about that 50 cent wack shit nobody booed nas where was all the 50 cent fans ..name a real nigga that can spit better then nas be for real dont lie to yourself ..if your white stay out of this conversation and if you from the hood stay out of it this for my real niggas those that strugle everyday for that dollar those niggas that run from 50 cause of there skin color ...NAS is nice no one right now can spit like him no one has his talent lyrically...

WE BACK ON WACK JOE?OVER/RATED LIKE CRAZY..TS IS WACK,,REMY IS UGLY AND SUPA WACK..TONY SUNSHINE IS WACK AND THOSE OTHER 2 JUST FILL UP THE ROSTER
AND HOW MANY LINES FAT JOE GONNA STEAL TALKIN BOUT HOVA..FOR THE PAST 2 YRS JOE'S 1ST LINES HAVE BEEN SOMETHING ANOTHA NIGGA SAID..DIDNT HOVA BRING THAT TACTIC TO LIFE NOW JOE U LIKE PAC?..."I KNOW U BEEN SEARCHIN"....JOE STOP PLEASE YOUR KILLIN ME..AND YA RUCKER TEAM IS TRASH..KAREEM REID CANT FINISH...HE'S TRASH..NBDL BUM..IM TIRED OF THIS BS..AND WHERE IS MR COLUMBIA RECORDS AT??PROBABLY SOMEWHERE TRYNA GET FOLK TO LISTEN TO THAT WACK J HO AND WACK JOE RECORD...U A SINGER NOW JOE??..BX I KNOW YALL GOT MORE TO OFFER...MAYBE COREY GUNZ WILL LEARN NOT TO GO THAT ROUTE..BX STANDUP!!

NAS WENT IN THE PARK AND WHAT???IT WAS A NAS SHOW THAT WAS A DUM COMMENT..NOW IF 50 HAVE A SHOW IN THE PARK THEN WHAT??...I BEEN CHECKIN SOME OF THESE COMMENTS OUT AND ALL U NAS LOVERS??CHECK THE STATS..FOLKS ARE RIGHT..ROC ARTIST ARE FED WELL NAS HASNT ELEVATED ANYBODY IN THE GAME...U KNOW WHY?BECAUSE HE DOESNT KNOW WHO HE IS..DUDE DUN CHANGED ON EVERY LP..WE STILL WAITN ON THE ILLMATIC NAS..I DONT MIND THE UPLIFTING SONGS COOL..1 MIC..I KNOW I CAN.. YEAH WE NEED A FEW OF THOSE..BUT DONT BE PAC 2DAY..THEN RAKIM 2MAR..BE NAS..ALL THE TIME..AND GODS SON HELPED OTHERS PROSPER..U AINT DONE NOTHIN BUT FALLOUT WIT QUEENS AND EVERY RAPPER U EVER FUCKED WIT..LIKE JADA SAID.."YOUR A LEADER WHEN U CAN GET A LEADER TO FOLLOW YOU"..ETHER WAS HIS BIGGEST HIGHLIGHT AND DUDE HAD BEEN IN THE GAME FOR 10 PLUS YRS..IMA GIVE YALL ETHER AND A FEW MORE BUT OVERALL?HOVA..S...JAY.Z..HANDSDOWN IS THE WINNER..THE HOOD FOLLOWS HOVA..AND PLEASE PEOPLE STOP MAKIN DUM COMMENTS ABOUT FOLK LIKE MTV..THAT POP SHIT,,WHERE ELSE WE GONNA SEE VIDEOS?DUH..NAS CAN WE GET A HOT LP PLEASE??THIS NEW IS TRASH JUST LIKE THE LAST ONE..SORRY BRAVEHEARTS YALL NEED DAY JOBS!!

you dont like that mtv shit cause you that shit is true you fake ass nigga you that pop nigga you crazy talking about nas when in the park and what ?>?nigga he was in cental park that shit was for free there was mad heads there niggas that didnt even nas was there stupid .. what you mean dont mention no dumb shit about nas in the park..nigga jay could not see nas lyrically you know that shit you just programmd to like that pop shot yo mtv reject nigga..then you mention this shit ..

I DONT MIND THE UPLIFTING SONGS COOL..1 MIC..I KNOW I CAN.. YEAH WE NEED A FEW OF THOSE..BUT DONT BE PAC 2DAY..THEN RAKIM 2MAR

first of all 2 pac couldnt figure out what he want to be also one day he was A black panther the next day he is jumping around with humpty hump

then the next day he singing songs with jodeci in there video talking about i get around COME ON NIGGA WHAT YOU TRYING TO SAY AND 2 PAC WAS THE MAN BUT I KNOW MY SHIT NIGGA ..please nigga check your history you stupid fuck talking shit ..please nigga stop I READ ALL THE STUPID SHIT YOU SAID ON THIS FORUM AND EVERYONE DISSED YOU ..YOU KEEP SAYING THE SAME STUPID SHIT ..JAY Z IS AIGHT BUT HE AINT THE MAN ..NIGGA GET OFF HIS NUTS ALREADY NAS FUCKED THAT NIGGA UP IN THE BATTLE GET OVER IT ALREADY HE MADE THAT NIGGA QUESTION HIMSELF and he RETIRED he doesnt know whether he want to be coporate america with a suit or a rapper that nigga is like 45years old ..i still remember rocfella died of aids and you name your name after it nas is a prophet stupid nastrodamus nigga where is roc a fella records now what the fuck that was the biggest set makeing money and damon dash lost that shit that whole dynasty is dead even GAME SAID IT ..FUCK YOU AND ALL YOU POP NIGGAS WATCHING MTV ..then you have jay z spitting like he is the fu snikkens or did we forget then we have the hawaii sofie then the HOVIE from roc a fella nigga i know my history i watched jay z when he first started spitting thats why i dont like him he got no real skills he just got you mtv niggas fooled he just got hooks but jaz showed that nigga how to spit that nigga bite from BIG L ,BIGGIE ,NAS ,RAKIM THAT NIGGA CANT SPIT ..I KNOW THAT NIGGA FROM 85 IN THE PARK HE GOT YALL NIGGAS FOOLED ..jay z is wack get over it look you truly say that jay z can spit better then nas keep in mind he lost a BATTLE ALREADY OK I WILL GIVE YOU THAT NIGGA MADE MORE MONEY BUT NAS AINT POOR HE IS WELL OFF BUT YOU KNOW JAY Z CAN NEVER SEE NAS ..HE LOST THE BAttle its not my opinion nigga everyone said it yo ..

Sorry black I think most of your points are great But on Wayne your either just dead wrong or unesxposed
"What I can't understand is why people are putting Lil' Wayne and Jay in the same sentence. The lil homie is garbage but that's just MY opinion. hell, he ain't even Cam's class. You ever sat and listened to Go DJ or any of of Lil' Wayne's albums? C'mon man....be real with yourselves here. I'm not hating on him because my opinion ain't gonna stop nobody from selling a record but he's just not very impressive to me."
Even Jay realized wayne's potential and tried to sign him to Def Jam, but wayne 's still under contract and feels like CM is home so declined as reported on SOHH a while back. Don;t just listen to the singles, though I think youre making Go DJ out to be much worse than it is if you put it in th esame league as candy shop lyrically, but it was overplayed probably by djs trying to hype themselves up at parties. He doesnt rap about the deepest shit or probems in the world like Nas, but then again neither did BIG and he was still an ill lyricist. Most of his shit since Lights Out is freestyled I dunno if BMJR was in one tak but listen to either of his cuts on Fresh's album, the second one is probably the best freestyle I've heard on an album in the past decade. He's even done freestyles with Cam'ron and on the ones Ive heard (like the one over "push it good" his was one of his worst Ive heard so far, but still leagues better than camsd verse...then again part of cams verse was "bam bam jam jam in a handstand, hahah sell tan in a tan stand, rara nana haha lala mama I keep that blam blam" )he was way above killas level.
Listen to any of his old mixtapes with the squad, the prefix, da drought 1&2, the cuts on mannie fresh's album, his old freestyle session, that new Shine On, or even that single off of 500 degrees, I think it was "where you at". He's lyrically above TI and both tracks Ive heard them on together his verses were better without even being some of his best shit. When mentioning the best artists in the South people who know dont even bother mentioning him cuz hes the first one to bring up contreversy from people who havent heard anything from him besides Go DJ and what he put out before 2000. Dude has more punchlines than Cassidy. He's metaphorical with sports players girls weapons cars money and drugs for the most part, nothing life changing. But if you listen to rap for extremely well put together verses that make you think about the lyrics wordplay etc. and dont really care as much about someones opinions on America and the World, and actually understand what his prose is metaphorically saying, I dont see how you can't be impressed by wayne.

"Fat Joe is eating, his people are starving. Nas is eating his people are starving. Jay-z is eating is his people are well fed. 50 is eating and his people are well fed. You have to remember where you came from before you get to where you going and half the time the same niggas you came up with ain't to fuck wit, It's a diffrence between real niggas and leeches

Posted by: Kathy at March 16, 2005 10:57 PM"

Wha? no offense, I mean I like Jay too and all. But Nas' people are starving? what type of bullshit is that. He bought his moms a mansion and moved her out of the projects before he even got himself a new place when he first came out. He remembers where he came from asnd had to remind niggas like Cormega and Nature what QB is all about on the bridge is over.
Sure he moved out to Atlanta now, but thats 10 years after illmatic so I can start a life with kelis. give dude a break.
Jayz came into the game with the intention of making money as a hustler that happens to be a great rapper. Nas has always been about the lyrics and despite them being garbage has brought "his people" along with him and continues to put them on his albums. I cant think of too many rappers worse than garbage Jungle and mediocre Wiz, except for maybe a couple of the Outlawz and Jim Jones. Yet hes making sure they get theres too when most rappers wouldve dropped them. Hell Jigga remembers where he came from in terms of family and crack sales, but he turned his back on Jaz-O like shit.

Jigga just wants his so I aint hatin, but watch who you callin a leech. You just disrespected an artist with more love for the game (no matter how much he makes off of it) than anyone else mainstream I can think of.

What's up people i'm here reading this ignorant stuff ya'll writing about some of the best MC's in the game. Nas first and foremost is one of the best MC's he's scared to confront government, jigga bo's or radio stations. He's one that will go against the masses by himself. He must get respect for that alone. he got more balls then any rapper out there. go back to I am, Illmatic,Stillmatic. Next, How dare ya'll attack Jay he set standards for cowards to follow in hip hop and business. Furthermore, that cut, copy, and paste is B.S. if ya'll know about hip hop there was a trend for rappers to use deceased rappers lyrics to pay homage. A SIGN OF RESPECT IDIOTS if you don't know take a look at XXL lenders and borrowers page. reference for non hiphoppers: Jayz's Meet the parents:best story ryhme with a message. NYMP, Feelin' it, D'evils, Hard knocklife,Street's is watchin', Don't you know(hidden track MTV unplugged). That's just a taste. Before you label someone wack do your homework. Fat Joe is one of the most under rated MC's out there he has proven his uderground creditability. You gotta flow Joe first single 92-93(fire). he's trying to make that money, so that's reason behind the radio friendly joints. Why be in the business if you ain't trying to get paid. I don't think fat Joe is trying to copy Jay with his lastest single. That's because Just Blaze is behind it no disrespect attended, but all of Blaze beats sound the same. Listen to his drums. In closing it bothers me to sit here and read comments about some of the best lyrists in the game thats mainstream. True, G rap, Kane is the blueprint behind Nas and Jay lyrical styles. Just because of that your not a bitter. That's like you growing up with a brother that's a ball player and you follow his footsteps take and perfect his crossover and jumpshot. Does that make you a bitter. Peace, Do your homework ya'll. Stop sounding stupid.

THIS FORUM IS WACK

muthafuckaz 'Pac is the best lyricist, and didnt he hld down the guiness book of world records for most rap album sales.....25 million greatest hits? hahaha.... THUG LIFE BITCH!

I dont understand why this subject is even highly debatable. All the real niggas know what it is. What I've noticed is a lot of you "Rap Fans" tend to repeat what your favorite artist blurt out coherently in his raps. It is true that Nas changes on every album. Thats evolution. Nothing is supposed to stay the same. I respect that guy as a man far more than any other artist in the game right now because he doesnt have to build up this image of being bigger than life to drop a successful CD. You cant compare Nas to Jay because Jay is a rapper and Nas is a hip hop artist. Thats like comparing a WWF fighter to a professional Boxer. Rappers are people who make good music. You put it on and you can listen to it all the way through and feel good about it because its good music. A hip hop artist is someone whos primary focus is to get a point across. So lets stop comparing the two and respect their position for what it is.
Lets take a look at Jay's career. The hottest CD Jay made was Resonable Doubt. It sold the least amount of records but contained the most substance. As the power of Jay's message decreased the more promotion he received the more albums he sold. Take a look at the industry now and see whos getting the most promotion. People with the least amout to say.

black im wit my man bnice...u on some bs yo..u keep talkin about mtv niggaz etc that sounds stooopid jigga made mtv come to the hood go up to 10 kids right now all ages and ask them what they think and youll see jay z has had the most impact..niggaz keep talkin about ether..ok nas u got that 1..but even after that jigga still dropped hits while nas gave us cool songs..nas in the park etc..what does a nigga outside of ny care about nas in the park?nas comes to detroit he's at the 2500 people spot hova comes he's at the 20,000 people spot?if nas is so big and so nice where are the major tours?nas couldnt sellout a highschool gym...oh my bad thats mtv black?lastime i checked nas was on mtv 2 so what the fuck are u talking about?tell ya man to make a hot lp then talk..not 1 street single..1 black power song..and 1 diss record..a hot remix..i mean come on yo do ya homework hova drops hits he's got the forumla and he dont sell 5 mil..half of u niggaz dont even like nas like that u just hate hova so much cause he's that nigga...talkin bout nature...didnt he tell nas.."pac called u out u didnt say a word"..now u wanna go at jigga??pac was the best to ever do it cause he lived it in front of us...the best thing that ever happened to nas wasnt ether is was that pac died..cause pac saw what real niggaz see..a phony black what u need to do is tell columbia promotion staff to try some different moves to sell some units..cause if nas is so nice where are the #'s?hova is on anotha level..lyrically and mentally from nas..i dont see anybody comin out of nas camp makin any noise..jigga dun made careers even nas..takeover..was a wakeup call for NAS..he needs to send hova a check..and rakim..and slick rick..and pac...when he got the tattoo on his belly?i was thru wit nas..be ya own man..biter!!

Yo straight up Pac was a bitch nigga. That nigga was livin thug life cause niggas he fucked over was trying to put a bullet in his ass?? That muthafucka Suge Night told pac yo you've had a pretty decent career even though you contradict yaself every album, plus the fact that pac was easy to manipulate. He took pacs ass and said yo what we gotta do to blow up is take it to the whole east coast. The idea was genius!! Since the begining of rap the battle has been the purest form. When niggas battle it produces hype, and what produces hype produces sales, and sales equal dollars. Suge and pac was just battling on a larger stage that had never been done. The whole beef with the entire east coast is what made Pac. If that nigga never signed with Death Row and instigated a beef Pac would still be alive today makin mediocre songs. Nobody was feeling that nigga before he joined Death Row. That nigga was a joke and the entire East Cost knew it. Even the greatest of all time (BIG)caught up with him back stage of the source Awards in 96 and Pac told biggie to his face that there was no real animosity towards Bad Boy, but just buisness. He said that Biggie needed to play along if he wanted to make loot but BIG was better than that. He wasnt gonna front on a bitch nigga like pac to fool millions of people to get paid. This is why I will never have respect for tupac shakur. FUCK DAT NIGGA!!!

Pac lived it in front of us?? HA HA HA HA. What did he live? Oh he is so great because he had 2 hott albums out of 15, tried to fuck wit east coast niggas and got smoked, moved to the left coast tried fuckin wit da bloods and got smoked again? The only thing this proves is real recognize real and cats knew pac wasnt lookin familiar. Dont get it twisted Pac was no gangsta. He was a self proclaimed thug tryin to roll wit gangstas. My brother hung out wit Pac once in a while in Jersey and he would tell me what a fake thug pac was. He was the type that was da loudest nigga in a crew, and when shit popped off Pac was the last nigga to jump off.

Who is this clown? You seem really passionate about another man. Seems really suspect to me, bruh. This cat is just some mama's boy living at home who watches videos sitting on the floor in his tighty whiteys. You probably dress like Cap'n Crunch just like Michael Jackson does. So you read a little XXL, maybe some Source. So you got a couple of Jigga CD's and maybe a 2Pac album, probably a greatest hits compilation. Now you know Hip-Hop? Please. Stop it, man. I never said anything about MTV or whatever it was you were talking about. You stuck on numbers like most of these babies on this board. Nas consistently goes Platinum if you wanna talk numbers. No he don't do 50 numbers but just because he doesn't sell 8 mil does that make him less of an artist than 50? Does that make him a lower caliber of MC than 50 or Jay? Hell no it don't. Plenty of superior MC's don't go even gold in this era. That doesn't mean they're wack. Pharoahe Monch, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, all of whom are nice with theirs, have NEVER even gone gold BUT would you really favor higher selling artists like Chingy, Nelly, or 50 in a rhyme battle with these cats. I don't think so. These labels are looking for artists they can MARKET. it ain't even so much about the skills an MC poesess. Any wack ass nigga can get if he has a marketable image and some sort of flow. Sad.....but true. It's like everybody reads Billboard now checking a ni&&a stats like that's all that matters. I'd rather listen to Nas trying to "Bridge the Gap" than visit 50's "Candy Shop" or hear some non-talking clown whine about his b!tch leaving "Over and Over Again" or hear Chingy's non rappin a$$ and Janet's non singing a$$ go back and forth. (I'd rather SEE Janet than to HEAR Janet) It ain't ALL about money and record sales.

FUCK THAT DUDE!! 2PAC WAS THUG LIFE-----CRADLE TO THE GRAVE BIATCHES!!

P.S.-EMINEM RULES!!

MY ORDER:

2PAC
EMINEM
NAS
ICE CUBE

Jay is the best rapper alive....hands down you fucks!

HA HA HA THAT DUDE SAID MARK S DRESSES LIKE CAPTAIN CRUNCH!! YA DUDE I LIKED THAT ONE..

OH YA EMINEM RULES!!!!!!! BIATCHES!!!!

BLACK YOU AND I SHOULD ROLL TOGETHER BRO. WE'RE ALOT ALIKE!!

If you dont shut yo Str8 of the valley as up Slim! U dont know hip hop, Eminems last record was trash, "Mary had a little lamb little lamb ... c'mon nigga." Black dont know what the fuck he talkin bout, a lot of the niggaz dont know what they talkin bout. Pac was real as hell niggaz, he put the whole west coast on his back and thats why it died with him. Pac didnt sell before he went to Death Row???? What niggaz ... Me against the world went #1 (and Im not bringing up numbers, Im responding to a dumbass nigga who was talking about numbers) Me against the world inspired Nas shitty ass flow. Yall East Coast niggaz always been jealous of any hot nigga hot nigga that aint kissin New Yorks ass. Nas aint never say shit to Pac or about Pac, that old fake ass nigga. Nas can truley thank his album sales to Pac dying. Yall say the west glorified violence but hold on ... what did Wu Tang and Biggie do ... glorify violence. Yall always been hypocrites on the east coast period.
Pac-Biggie-Jay holy trinity.
newer cats - Banks, T.I. , Lil Wayne, Luda, Jada

Stop this nonsense! If you really recognize and into hip hop mc's, you know that Rakim is the dopest followed by my man Nas, Kool G-Rap, KRS-ONE & Kane. For true listners record sales don't mean shit. It about how dope the cat is and being original. Jay-Z ain't original, and went for the commercial ride, nothig wrong with gettin paper. 50 is border line trash... no lyrics. He just keeps up the bullshit to sell cause his talent is limited. Em is dope but the mainstream been waitin' for him since the beginning, so they push him. Recognize and stay true. Lastly don't sleep on Black Thought from the Roots. Dude is nice wit it!

yo fuck that the only niggas i want to hear are those niggas making mad money with the crazy record sales i want the bentley,platinum bling and moet videos i want those hoes on the video those catchy hooks with the fat beats ..if you dont got that if you dont have the money or the record sales you wack ..i want 50 cent talking gun clapping with the bullet proof vest and money and the hoes like candy stick thats hip hop or jay z with the bling i luv u jigga i miss that shinny suit you wore on your video ..jigga making mad money he got that commercial sucess thats hip hop ..he got the record sales the money the power ..he got the rolex the benz...he got dope bitches in his videos ...if you aint making money or the record sales or gun clapping like 50 cent or jay z ..puffy ..if you got a message when you spitting your wack ..i want hear shit about niggas hoes or money or the fat benz or the party you went too..nas ,kiss ,krs,rakim,mos def,public enemy...etc all these niggas is wack no records sales no money ,no gun clapping ,no heavy rotation in market these niggas aint commercial...they preach to much i want hear shit about hoes and how to kill the next nigga ...fck hip hop ...if you aint got like skin but naked hoes in your video you wack..i love nelly that nigga making money ...and his flow is perfect he is not preaching he cant realy flow he where bling plus he got the record sales like jay z him and jay z are perfect these niggas got flow nelly,chingy,jay z ,puffy ,50 cent ...there ahead of the game ...thats hip hop everyone on this forum agrees with me cause they love jay z,and hate nas and fat joe and krs ,etc fck rakim that nigga never made no money what influence did he have in the game never saw that nigga in a video with a benz no record sales no commercial success he preach to much plus he preached to much..rakim was wack..jay z would fuck up rakim..

How come Nas gets to be so real and Jay-Z is fake? Nas bites of Pac's flow, he call himself Esobar but never sold shit, he is inconsitant, and lied throughout ether "In 88 u was getting chased from your buildings", how would a broke nigga from Queens know what a hustler in Brooklyn was doin back in 88?

Hov on the other hand. Reps Biggie and Biggie repped him. He said he bust in Nas baby moms face ... he really did. He claims to be hustler ... he really is. THE ONLY EAST COAST NIGGA WHO MATTERED TO CALL OUT THE WEST. On 22 twos "Too much west coast dick lickin' and too many niggaz on a mission doin their best Jay-Z rendession." Dont hate on nigga cuz he on top. "Jealosy is weak emotion , you gotta overcome that." S.Carter

Damn the truth hurtz

1st of all fuck nas..and dont even talk about rakim...a nigga cant have 2 good seasons then go to the hall of fame...i would put kane before rakim..even though rakim sold out..talkin all the muslim shit..then he's in the video wit a bunch of white hoes?how soon we forget...niggaz dont rap for free so yeah its about numbers dumass..how many of u go to work for free?niggaz sound so dum
get ya money 1st..and hova has gotten all the doe know why?cause he relates to the streets more..niggaz want the finer things in life and hova is tellin u all about it i dont wanna hear a nigga preach to me then he walks down the isle wit the industry hoe...and the dude talkin bout pac..im wit u school these niggaz please..like i said if pac was alive?no 50..no ja..no nas..def no marshall..know ya facts b4 u get on here talkin shit..(capn crunch that was wack homo..slim shady for life)we dont even listen to marshall he's in his own world not ours u can have him...give me redman..mary had a lil lamb?are u serious??supawack..

i said it before if you aint making money and dont have record sales like jay z with the CATCHY HOOKS or 50cent talking about gun clapping you wack no comercial sucess like em or dre dre or 50 and jay z ,nelly ,chingy you cant flow ..i want jay z back with the SHINNY SUIT HE WORE LIKE PUFFY AND MASE ...no money no records sales no commercial success you got no flow ..i want those niggas from the west coast ..cause they tell the truth they are gangstars they aint fake i love that jerricurl juice they where in the west coast ..rakim,krs,fatjoe,nas,chuck d these niggas is wack no comercial sucess no money ,no record sales....i want pac back that was down dancing making money with humpty hump ..i get around that nigga made money..he was true gansta..he was comercial...he could spit better then biggie ..

show me the money and the catchy hooks no niggas can spit like jayz ,nelly,chingy,50cent.and em etc ilove this niggas they got comercial sucess

yo fuck that the only niggas i want to hear are those niggas making mad money with the crazy record sales i want the bentley,platinum bling and moet videos i want those hoes on the video those catchy hooks with the fat beats ..if you dont got that if you dont have the money or the record sales you wack ..i want 50 cent talking gun clapping with the bullet proof vest and money and the hoes like candy stick thats hip hop or jay z with the bling i luv u jigga i miss that shinny suit you wore on your video ..jigga making mad money he got that commercial sucess thats hip hop ..he got the record sales the money the power ..he got the rolex the benz...he got dope bitches in his videos ...if you aint making money or the record sales or gun clapping like 50 cent or jay z ..puffy ..if you got a message when you spitting your wack ..i want hear shit about niggas hoes or money or the fat benz or the party you went too..nas ,kiss ,krs,rakim,mos def,public enemy...etc all these niggas is wack no records sales no money ,no gun clapping ,no heavy rotation in market these niggas aint commercial...they preach to much i want hear shit about hoes and how to kill the next nigga ...fck hip hop ...if you aint got like skin but naked hoes in your video you wack..i love nelly that nigga making money ...and his flow is perfect he is not preaching he cant realy flow he where bling plus he got the record sales like jay z him and jay z are perfect these niggas got flow nelly,chingy,jay z ,puffy ,50 cent ...there ahead of the game ...thats hip hop everyone on this forum agrees with me cause they love jay z,and hate nas and fat joe and krs ,etc fck rakim that nigga never made no money what influence did he have in the game never saw that nigga in a video with a benz no record sales no commercial success he preach to much plus he preached to much..rakim was wack..jay z would fuck up rakim..

Whatta joke is right. I think it's very obvious to anyone with intelligence that homeboy just posted those comments just for shock value and I think he GOTTA be joking with all that there. No one would seriously question Rakim's influence in Hip-Hop.

As for you Truth Spitter, you should rename yourself Cum Guzzler because you suckin' so much dick over there. You all on Pacs nuts proclaiming him to be the realest nigga ever. Who are you to even make that statement? Did you know him when he was alive? You grew up with him? HELL NAW!!! You don't know nobody, nigga you lame. Then you slobbin Jay Z's knob. You on his payroll? If he put out an ad wanting to hire a personal masseuse, you'd be the 1st bitch in line to apply. The thought of rubbing another man's body gets you all excited, huh? Gay ass nigga shut that shit up. Yes, All Eyez On Me was an album that did a lot for the West and it hasn't been quite the same since he passed.

Yes I agree that Eminem's last album Encore was ABSOLUTE TRASH. My critique hs nothing to do with race, it has everything to do with the beats not being up to par and lyrically, he's done a lot better than this.

I also agree that Black Thought is probably one of the most underrated lyricists ever. Niggas underestimate the Roots. Cats think they on some nerdy shit but it's FAR from it. Just like someone pointed out to me, listen to something you not used to sometimes. Listen to something other than what's on the radio. You just might end up liking that shit

By the way, Cum Guzzler, "rendession"?? You can't be fuckin' serious. The word is RENDITION you dumb fuck. Also you attributed this quote to Jay Z-"Jealosy is weak emotion , you gotta overcome that." S.Carter" you dumb bastard...he said "Males shouldn't be jealous; that's a female trait. What, you mad cause you push dimes and he sell weight" from "Where's the Love" on the Blueprint. Dumb ass nigga, know what you talking about before say something, you ignorant bastard, you!

yo fuck that the only niggas i want to hear are those niggas making mad money with the crazy record sales i want the bentley,platinum bling and moet videos i want those hoes on the video those catchy hooks with the fat beats ..if you dont got that if you dont have the money or the record sales you wack ..i want 50 cent talking gun clapping with the bullet proof vest and money and the hoes like candy stick thats hip hop or jay z with the bling i luv u jigga i miss that shinny suit you wore on your video ..jigga making mad money he got that commercial sucess thats hip hop ..he got the record sales the money the power ..he got the rolex the benz...he got dope bitches in his videos ...if you aint making money or the record sales or gun clapping like 50 cent or jay z ..puffy ..if you got a message when you spitting your wack ..i want hear shit about niggas hoes or money or the fat benz or the party you went too..nas ,kiss ,krs,rakim,mos def,public enemy...etc all these niggas is wack no records sales no money ,no gun clapping ,no heavy rotation in market these niggas aint commercial...they preach to much i want hear shit about hoes and how to kill the next nigga ...fck hip hop ...if you aint got like skin but naked hoes in your video you wack..i love nelly that nigga making money ...and his flow is perfect he is not preaching he cant realy flow he where bling plus he got the record sales like jay z him and jay z are perfect these niggas got flow nelly,chingy,jay z ,puffy ,50 cent ...there ahead of the game ...thats hip hop everyone on this forum agrees with me cause they love jay z,and hate nas and fat joe and krs ,etc fck rakim that nigga never made no money what influence did he have in the game never saw that nigga in a video with a benz no record sales no commercial success he preach to much plus he preached to much..rakim was wack..jay z would fuck up rakim....i want the mc hammers of the world ..jayz,nelly,chingy,50cent etc we luv these niggas ..they got comercial sucess..

By the way, Mark S. you said a lot of shit I don't necessarily agree with BUT you did say something that no one else in here but you and I even remembers about Rakim-The "Don't Sweat The Technique" video which was Eric B and Rakim's last video together in 1992. He WAS in that video with a bunch of white hoes. Yeah it was definitely a contradiction. Yeah the song was on some commercial shit. However, it doesn't diminish his influence and neither does Kane's loverboy bullshit diminish his influence either. Should that wack song and video "Sunshine" w/Babyface dimish Jay Z's standing? No. What about his appearances in Jaz's videos back in the day with those ugly ass shirts? No. People fuck up sometimes. Nas done fucked up too(Nastradamus for example. You Owe Me feat. Ginuwine is another) However it's how you recover from such stupid shit! All of the above recovered quite nicely...well except for Kane because he went out the door on that loverboy shit but his legend remains in good standing.

YALL DUDES ARE WACK. ENCORE WAS THE BOMB!! IT WILL BE PROCLAIMED AS ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS EVER MADE. ALSO I'M WITH THE GUY THAT LOVES THE BITCHES AND BENZES. EMINEM AND G-UNIT LIVE THE REAL THUG LIFE LIKE TUPAK.
AND WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE ROOTS? THEY SUCK BALLS!!

G G G G G UNIT BITCHES!!!

i thoght the topic was fat joe?how we get on hova..pac..nas?i know why cause niggaz dont care about fat joe..point proven...and i must agree rakim was dope in 86..87..and lil of 88..but thats it..its 2k5 people rakim is nowhere to be found and 18th letter was not hot..dont put him at the top over cats that kept bringing it..face..krs..i see niggaz dont know hiphop..hova been on a long consistent run people..how many of your favorite rappers can say that?what the fuck is commercial success?when folk outside the same hood that bootlegs me start buyin my shit and im rich?if i hear 1 more dumass person say something about money..fuck the doe thats the reward for makin some hot shit congrats to every nigga gettin paper..from wackass nelly to hova get yo doe..nas u dickhead elevate yoself stop thinkin ether was enuff cause it wasnt ya joints still dont move units..and i hope columbia ready to promote nas dis trk vs 50 cause if they aint interscope is gonna tear a whole in yall ass..and did u see the soundscan this wk?50 at 2mil..hahaha.."can we please have a moment of silence"...hahaha

u right jay z did do a wack video and did he said..my bad..for that shit..rakim never said nothin..and the joint wit jodi watley?cmon rakim...i judge rappers like bball players..and hova can do it all..shoot..defend..jump etc he does it all...good..the only thing he's missin a the political side..but he would be a fool to try and preach thats why he's the man he stays in his lane..not like nas or rakim did..do what your good at not what you think your good at..give me face&krs anyday over rakim..now i see rakim on hennessy ads?people do ya homework b4 u fuck wit me 4real im a pt guard i see everything..

Some of you have made some sense and some you are so caught up.

Nobody gets in the music biz to be "real","artistry", etc... it's all about the money.

If it wasn't about the money, all of them cats would be showing up to open mic nites to do their thing.

I think we all get defensive when somebody disses our favorite rapper. Why do you have to choose? Nas is a beast rapper. Jay-Z is a beast rapper. Whoever denies it is not worthy of further conversation. Nas cemented himself as one of the greatest just on the legendary Illmatic.

You've got to be a complete dumba** to believe Jay-Z (or anybody) could survive in hip-hop for close to 10 years and sell as many records on the strength of copying somebody else's rhymes.

I ain't mad at Kobe cause he got a stroke like Mike, walk like Mike, try to talk like Mike...sh*t, he still a beast. Mike perfected dunking on the back of Dr. J. That's how it goes.

But it's the total package folks. Jay touched on it when he proclaimed that he "leads the league in at least six statistical categories".

Since hip-hop started in the streets, how much of the hard-core street hip hop base an artist commands has to be a major category. Whether us "true hip-hop fans" like it or not, record sales is another. Overall success... from the streets to an artists complete success is a category (if that was all, Will Smith would be up for the title... from "He's the DJ, I'm the Rapper" to $20M per movie. Longevity (LL Cool J owns that category... 20+ years in hip hop and still selling records). Lyrical abilities is definitely major. I like Jay-Z's flow as much as Nas, but for the first time in my experience with Hip Hop, self proclaimed and believable hardcare gangsta artist actually timidly admits 'he don't wanna battle another rapper' (i.e. The Game... http://www.sohh.com/thewire/read.php?contentID=6723&highlight=jay-z )

Bottom line. There can be no greatest rapper of all-time. How you gonna compare any two people from different generations. Nas grew up on rakim and admittedly used him as his foundation (hence the biography of rakim song on his new CD)...how you gonna compare the two. You can't.

Rock

And...the Henessey ads can be seen on billboards across the country as well as in magazines. Why would a 5 percenter endorse alcohol? Hmm....I still got love for him but DAMN>>>>what a contradiction. Oh...and I forgot all about the "Friends" joint with Jody Watley. For good reason though. Ain't nothing wrong with gettin paper. I never said thee was, I'm no hippocrite. Rappers gotta eat and pay bills just like me and you. However, selling out just to move a few more units ain't exactly cool. One minute you hard then next you making songs with Christina Aguilera and shit (I'm sorry, Redman but I had to get ya. Niggas gave you a pass on that 5 yrs ago but I ain't forget.) I guess some cats feel like they gotta do what they gotta doto keep up with their image.

As far "Slim Shady Fo Life" over here......get over your man crush. You gotta be from the burbs or something. Hell, you can't even spell Tupac correctly. You probably STILL don't know what Pac looked like. YOU probably look like the little herb ass white boy on Soul Plane!!!!! If you loved Encore then fine that ya business. I say it's garbage but hey,that's my business.

Rock's post made a hell of a lot of sense........

Nas is the truth droppin knowledge and world awareness... Jay is hot but he's a club banga type dude... Pac is the Realest it gets no official than that ... Big is funny dude wit flo and charisma niggas feel his shit cuz he lived it and could make his struggle suttin to spark an L and laugh about but wen yall cornballs think that sellin records puts u on top of the game.. thats wen yall gotta let go of the pipe... If it was like dat Puffy would really be king of new york Masta P would be the shit and i no dam well this aint how it goes... wat eva happend to showin love to your hood most rappers cant come bak Jadakiss and his whole camp can... Nas can bbq in QB Hip hop aint the same..niggas need to grow up and face the music ... Most these clowns cant even write they own music .... i could easily make an album on how much ice i rent and how many bottles i pop and how many groupies i spoil to fuck after a show... the state of hip hop aint gon be the same until niggas mature they music

yo fuck that the only niggas i want to hear are those niggas making mad money with the crazy record sales i want the bentley,platinum bling and moet videos i want those hoes on the video those catchy hooks with the fat beats ..if you dont got that if you dont have the money or the record sales you wack ..i want 50 cent talking gun clapping with the bullet proof vest and money and the hoes like candy stick thats hip hop or jay z with the bling i luv u jigga i miss that shinny suit you wore on your video ..jigga making mad money he got that commercial sucess thats hip hop ..he got the record sales the money the power ..he got the rolex the benz...he got dope bitches in his videos ...if you aint making money or the record sales or gun clapping like 50 cent or jay z ..puffy ..if you got a message when you spitting your wack ..i want hear shit about niggas hoes or money or the fat benz or the party you went too..nas ,kiss ,krs,rakim,mos def,public enemy...etc all these niggas is wack no records sales no money ,no gun clapping ,no heavy rotation in market these niggas aint commercial...they preach to much i want hear shit about hoes and how to kill the next nigga ...fck hip hop ...if you aint got like skin but naked hoes in your video you wack..i love nelly that nigga making money ...and his flow is perfect he is not preaching he cant realy flow he where bling plus he got the record sales like jay z him and jay z are perfect these niggas got flow nelly,chingy,jay z ,puffy ,50 cent ...there ahead of the game ...thats hip hop everyone on this forum agrees with me cause they love jay z,and hate nas and fat joe and krs ,etc fck rakim that nigga never made no money what influence did he have in the game never saw that nigga in a video with a benz no record sales no commercial success he preach to much plus he preached to much..rakim was wack..jay z would fuck up rakim....i want the mc hammers of the world ..jayz,nelly,chingy,50cent etc we luv these niggas ..they got comercial sucess..i want the mc hammers of the world jay z ,nelly,chingy,50///jay z give me that shiny suit video you did again i miss it i want 2 pac dancing with humpty hump again i get around...
...fck nas,rakim,krs,chuck d...and fatjoe ..they have no money..no hevy rotation..they preach to much ..they have no hoes or benz that aint hip hop..you have sell out a little to have comercial sucess your flow has to have catchy hooks thats it like jayz,nelly,chingy,50,game,dre..i want those jeri curls back 2

i want the mc hammers of the world ..jayz,nelly,chingy,50cent etc we luv these niggas ..they got comercial sucess..i want the mc hammers of the world jay z ,nelly,chingy,50///jay z give me that shiny suit video you did again i miss it i want 2 pac dancing with humpty hump again i get around...
...fck nas,rakim,krs,chuck d...and fatjoe ..they have no money..no hevy rotation..they preach to much ..they have no hoes or benz that aint hip hop..you have sell out a little to have comercial sucess your flow has to have catchy hooks thats it like jayz,nelly,chingy,50,game,dre..i want those jeri curls back 2

whats funny is that nobody else outside of this forum gives two fucks about what you cats in here think. All this back and forth about who you bitches think is stayin real and who sellin or sold out.
Black you fake as hoe you have changed your tune everytime you speak. Be real about it son!! Get the facts straight and stay true instead of being hypocritical and crackin corny jokes.
Everybody got something real smart to say about the next man's post, but neither jigga, nas, redman, the roots band, big, pac, joey crack, or da muthafuckin African Bambatta gonna lose sleep on all yal'ss pathetic replies!!

'Yall niggaz thought yall wasnt gon here from me" (jada on 'fuck beanie').

First off all BLACK u obviously dont listen to HOV or else ud know that my quote was from 'Some People Hate' "Jealsousy is a weak emotion u gotta overcome that." Now that we got that squared away nigga lets talk. Listen to the actual 'In my lifetime' there is so much more to it than 'Sunshine', ever heard of "Where Im from, The city is mine, Imaginary Player (where Hov disses the cats thats all about numbers) "sell two mil and still you wanna be me", Who you wit, Real niggaz do real thing w/Too Short ... c'mon did Rakim, Nas, or Kanes weak shit have the substance of Hov's wack album? Even Hov's wack shit are still lyrically better than the bullshit niggaz is putting out. I'll take in 'In my lifetime' (the whole CD not just the shit yall dwell on like 'Sunshine') and it is still better than Nastradamous, I am, and It was written. I am the TRUTH SPITTER and not no other bullshit nickanem yall can give me b/c facts are facts. I got BNICE AND MARK S riding with me on this one ... u got some dumbass white boy who thinks that Encore was a classic (mary had a little lamb, little lamb). Now nigga ... its not about the numbers but shit yall hate on Pac and Hov b/c they had the substance and the numbers. Substance dont mean that a nigga gotta rap about world peace, its just mean that a nigga (Hov) can appeal to the streets b/c he came from the same gutter and he's telling you about how he's shyning now. You think niggaz was singing "we shall overcome" b/c they wanted to struggle ... no they was singing that stit b/c they wanted to eventually shyne! Niggaz relate to Hov because he is telling you about WINNING, SHYNING, AND SAYING FUCK THE HATERS and he's is doing it with more consistancy than Nas (oichey wall, Nastradamous, and all the other bullshit songs that I dont evan bother to remember ... need I say more). Just saw yall dont dwell on some dumb shit let me sum this up.
Pac, Big, and Hov

YO THE TRUTH IS TRUTH SPITTER IS A DICK-LICKER. GET UP OF YA KNEES SON!! ITS TIME TO COME UP FOR AIR. CATCH A WIFF OF REALITY.

ok black i see u on the same page now u and b nice been sayin some true shit..and so have i but these other fools on here..what a joke..yall need to go roll a phat blunt and chill cause yall are lost..rock u right to..but ll without the movies he wouldve been done..he's done now really..but that was good point..all these dudes claim to be so smart and act like they know what it takes..let us not 4get hova started his own label and still became the 1 nigga..that wasnt jayz album wit jaz it waz jaz album and hova was on the song..and in 88 we all had high tops and funny ass colors it was the time he didnt have that on when he dropped the black album people and why do we live in the past..i got pictures of all yall in 88 hahaha..reasonable doubt?or illmatic?both classics..but which man has maintained his status and dont 4get esco was out 3 yrs b4 we even heard hova so to take the game and master it??yall gotta give it up!!hova brought his lifestyle to the forefront..now we all drink cris..and rock plat chains..button ups..maybachs..that whole lingo that nigga is movment now reebok?all that came from droppin hot raps and being the top nigga when i get bored ima put song for song on here nas vs hova niggaz dont hate..

Who let the Eminem groupies up in here? "Slim Shady For Life" THAT is some gay shit to have a name like that. I hope you're a female because it would be understandable then but you're a man, then you definitely on some gay shit.

"HA HA HA THAT DUDE SAID MARK S DRESSES LIKE CAPTAIN CRUNCH!! YA DUDE I LIKED THAT ONE..
OH YA EMINEM RULES!!!!!!! BIATCHES!!!!
BLACK YOU AND I SHOULD ROLL TOGETHER BRO. WE'RE ALOT ALIKE!!"

Remember that post you man-crush havin' muthafucka you? I would never roll wit yo punk ass. You probably be in front of the mirror singing B2K songs butt naked with your booty cheeks spread, wit ya punk ass! You can't possibly be Black, Latino, or even a cool white boy because we don't end sentences with shit like "Eminem Rules!" and don't call each other "Bro". Take ya ass on over the Britney Spears website to Em's site with that bullshit, you cheesecake muthafucka!

records sales only mean something if their your primary focus. To me they mean nothing cause 75% of hip hop consumers are white suburban kids with no "street" experiences, well most dont. I can respect record sales but i respect lyricism more.I prefer Pac over 50(like most) BUT 50 sold more.I dont pay 2 hear about your ice and cash (unless you said some real slick lyrical sh@#. Even Jada said people dont wanna hear all that flossin' sh!t. Thats why Jada dropped "Why". Nas could care less about money he has enough. But if he sold out he couldnt spit his message. Jay-Z SAID he was a hustler that explains him and that AND Beyonce Dam&! she serious. I dont hate Em has skill I just cant relate 2 that sh!t. AND Almost everybody "bites" now(check out XXL magazines 4 proof) but I think some of it is inspiration and some go to far. Jay-Z took alot of BIg's lines with out changing a word, but thats Hov he can do that sh!t. If we all respected the music more not the videos the best would sell more. BUT HEY WHO DOESNT LIKE MONEY CARS AND HOES

iam down with truth spitter cause he likes that comercial shit the catchy hook shit ..that shinny suit jay z wore was the shit kid ..the hawaii sofie shit ...that flow that jay z had back in the days like fu-snikkens shit jay z is fat cause all he has is the fat catchy hooks the benz..the money..so what he sold out but he got the white audience buying his shit ..jay z is better then rakim,krs ...biggie bit from jayz ..cause he was comercial ..i miss pac dancing around with humpty hump like i get around ..doing that video with jodeci..he was comercial i like that..nas,fatjoe,rakim,krs,mos def those niggas is wack cause they have no catchy hooks no benz or hoes ..no comercial sucess no white audience buying there shit ..all they have is good flow they preach to much..but no catchy hooks ..no benz ,rolex,moet,money or hoes...i want nelly he is like jayz ..or chingy..or mc hammer jay z is the man cause he is like mc hammer the big show commercial success ...bring back jeri curls like easy e ...yo PAC I GET AROUND just like humpty hump ..truth spitter keep telling the truth tell them you like that commercial shit ..not that MOP SHIT..OR KRS..ETC FCK THEM ..GIVE THAT CATCHY HOOK SHIT NO SUBSTANCE FLOW WE WANT IT ON MTV HEAVY ROTATION SO WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON JAY Z ,NELLY,CHINGY ..DONT PUT NAS ON HEAVY ROTATION HE SPEAKING THAT POSITIVE SHIT SO THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES FUCK THAT PUT THAT FAKE NEGATIVE SHIT OUT THERE LIKE JAY Z ,CHINGY,SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT UPLIFT THEMSELVES SHOW ME THE MONEY I WANT EM

What A Joke is Crazy!!!!!! I guarantee someone is probably gonna take him seriously in a minute.

to take a quote from the man himself "that is a one hot album every ten year average and thats sooooo LAME!". Nas has made one of the best albums ever, and hasnt made a well rounded album since. some really hot tracks, the rest garbage. Jay has 3 classic albums to date, reasonable doubt, bluebprint, black album. nuff said. tell nas to holler at the top five when he can make another complete album.

iam not crazy that what everybody likes on this forum the cars the hoes the money jay z thats what iam reading on this forum jay z the man yo make that money jay ..luv that comercial success

iam down with truth spitter cause he likes that comercial shit the catchy hook shit ..that shinny suit jay z wore was the shit kid ..the hawaii sofie shit ...that flow that jay z had back in the days like fu-snikkens shit jay z is fat cause all he has is the fat catchy hooks the benz..the money..so what he sold out but he got the white audience buying his shit ..jay z is better then rakim,krs ...biggie bit from jayz ..cause he was comercial ..i miss pac dancing around with humpty hump like i get around ..doing that video with jodeci..he was comercial i like that..nas,fatjoe,rakim,krs,mos def those niggas is wack cause they have no catchy hooks no benz or hoes ..no comercial sucess no white audience buying there shit ..all they have is good flow they preach to much..but no catchy hooks ..no benz ,rolex,moet,money or hoes...i want nelly he is like jayz ..or chingy..or mc hammer jay z is the man cause he is like mc hammer the big show commercial success ...bring back jeri curls like easy e ...yo PAC I GET AROUND just like humpty hump ..truth spitter keep telling the truth tell them you like that commercial shit ..not that MOP SHIT..OR KRS..ETC FCK THEM ..GIVE THAT CATCHY HOOK SHIT NO SUBSTANCE FLOW WE WANT IT ON MTV HEAVY ROTATION SO WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON JAY Z ,NELLY,CHINGY ..DONT PUT NAS ON HEAVY ROTATION HE SPEAKING THAT POSITIVE SHIT SO THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES FUCK THAT PUT THAT FAKE NEGATIVE SHIT OUT THERE LIKE JAY Z ,CHINGY,SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT UPLIFT THEMSELVES SHOW ME THE MONEY I WANT EM

what a joke is 2 funny. mos def and nas etc do have hoes though conscience rappers or not. i know i would if i was them

I guess niggas don't understand the difference between "PAYING HOMAGE" and just plain old stealing shit. Jay-z just stold shit from everybody, I mean where do you draw the line. I understand if u take 1 or 2 verses from a great rapper and use it, but how many verses did jay take!!? That's not paying homage dogg that's just taking eveybody else shit and making money off of it.

what a joke Nelly has positive sh!t and Pac too but Pac aint commercial Jay-Z neither they do push products 4 money Jay-Z shoes,clothes etc. And Pac did a Alize add with Snoop

everyone here loves jayz ,nelly,chingy,50 cause they love that comercial success the money the benz ..the catchy hooks the lyrics with no substance ..you have to be a sell out to have record sales ..no heavy rotation on mtv ,,thats jay z ..remember that video he did with that shinny suit that was ill...or pac dancing with humpty hump ...but the best was jay z spiitin like he was the fu snickens iam not crazy everyone on this forum wants that fat shit that commercial success that catchy hook shit like hammer ..fck you nas ,krs,rakim...etc

but the best was jay z spiitin like he was the fu snickens
but the best was jay z spiitin like he was the fu snickens ...jay z has comercial success he sold out so what he got the money ..we love you jigga

Jay aint hafta to take sh!t 2 make money everybody knows Big's lines when they hear them.But he did take alot of Big's stuff but only Hov can pull that off he has alot of classics lines for himself. AND HE and Big was cool

PAC dancing with Hump aint commercial, and rakim did a hennesey add

stick to the topic people..fat joe..biting off of hova..and the dummy that said jay took a whole b.i.g verse?do ya homework..HOMAGE was the key word thanks yo...yall act like hova and big werent boys?and if u read the credits he has b i g as a writer that means faith&b i g moms got a check..not like nas yellin ill will and his moms is still in the jects..fools and on me&my girlfriend pac mom got a check..yall niggaz grow up and stop readin the sauce mag and really learn who did what and whos doin what...and the dumass that said nas can go to qb and bar b que?qb is in ny not atl..Black what up yo...columbia ready to promote that nas vs 50 dis trk?u know interscope cant be fucked wit...right now..hope yall ready..50 and his whole crew are eatin good..matter fact no crew has ever ate like they eatin..loyalty is a mf..sorry bravehearts..sorry ts..sorry cash money..sorry to all the crews..get ya weight up and ya music!!!

JAYZ WEARING THE SHINE SUIT IN HIS VIDEO WAS FAT THAT SHIT WAS COMERCIAL SO WHAT HE MADE MONEY ALL THOSE CATCHY HOOKS ..THAT NIGGA GOT SKILLS HE GOT HEAVY ROTATION ON MTV FLOWING LIKE THE FU-SNICKENS THAT WAS NICE PAC SINGING WITH JODECI VIDEO AND THE HUMPTY VIDEO THATS HARD THAT COMERCIAL SUCCESS..THAT WHAT WE ALL WANT MONEY ..CARS ..DOES BLACK HOES ON THE VIDEO ..THATS COMMERCIAL GIVE ME THAT SELL OUT SHIT LIKE JAY Z ,NELLY ,MC HAMMER,CHINGY..EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM SAYS HOW THEY WANT THAT SELL OUT MONEY HOE BENZ SHIT ..THE CATCHY HOOK SHIT WITH NO SUBSTANCE OR FLOW LIKE JAY Z THATS MY NIGGA AND EVERYONE NIGGA ON THIS FORUM FCK,NAS,RAKIM,PUBLIC ENEMY ,MOS DEF ,GANGSTAR,EPMD...ETC ..WE WANT SELLOUT SHIT JAY Z,CHINGY,NELLY ETC...FCK BIGGIE TOO CAUSE HE BITE FROM JAY Z ..SHOW ME THE MONEY..THE RECORD SALES ..HEAVY ROTATION ON MTV IF NOT YOU WACK..

how the fuck did biggie bite off of jay

yep rakim is all over the place with those hen ads
sorry to upset u rakim fans..dude is like 40..he gotta do what he gotta do to pay those bills no doubt..i see we cant stick to the topic poor fat joe nigga dont really care about u..and they feel like lean back was a fluke...well u know what i feel that way to...ya overated kid..now your tryna be like hov after u just dissed him?if lean back didnt get him a plaque..all or nothing?looks like...nothing 2..sorry joe..maybe u need to get back wit ya real crew ditc and start over..and ya crew?trash..nigga was tryna be twista on..take u home..what a joke nigga be yaself

"The truth spitter" u are right... some slept on "In My Lifetime" but the real heads didn't... "Where I'm From" is one the hardest joints, jay ever put out.

Black, i think you're right...sooner or later...someone may actually pay "what a joke" some attention. but i think that's he whole aim... to get some attention...he actually said

"i love nelly that nigga making money ...and his flow is perfect he is not preaching he cant realy flow *** he where bling*** plus he got the record sales"
then he said fck hip hop... "Somebody, quick, put something in his mouth...my zipper's stuck"

I started off writing a reply to that same person (i refuse to even address that dude anymore)...but it will give him more of the attention he craves.

Anyhow, think about this... Jay's flow is undeniable. The only flak that is arguable is the fact that he makes records that also bang in the club. While folks are arguing to the death that Pac was the G.O.A.T., how soon do we forget all the party, club, and radio records Pac made.

Since the beginning of hip hop, they all wanted and want the perfect balance between street, club(party), record sales. Jay-Z appears to made the career that every artist strives for... making hard-core street records that also bang in the club and "keep the cash registers ringin". The reason why the argument always ends with Pac, BIG, and Jay is because of everyone they all found the same perfect formula. And as much of a Nas fan "i am", he usually gets booted from the conversation, cause he missing something from the formula. By the way...to the super Eminem fan... Eminem is one of the most talented lyricist to enter the game...but that last cd was garbage. ...just speaking the truth man.

fyi: i think fat joe's biting is pretty evident...no need to go there...

JAYZ WEARING THE SHINE SUIT IN HIS VIDEO WAS FAT THAT SHIT WAS COMERCIAL SO WHAT HE MADE MONEY ALL THOSE CATCHY HOOKS ..THAT NIGGA GOT SKILLS HE GOT HEAVY ROTATION ON MTV FLOWING LIKE THE FU-SNICKENS

THAT WHAT WE ALL WANT MONEY ..CARS ..DOES BLACK HOES ON THE VIDEO ..THATS COMMERCIAL GIVE ME THAT SELL OUT SHIT LIKE JAY Z ,NELLY ,MC HAMMER,CHINGY..EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM SAYS HOW THEY WANT THAT SELL OUT MONEY HOE BENZ SHIT ..THE CATCHY HOOK SHIT WITH NO SUBSTANCE OR FLOW LIKE JAY Z THATS MY NIGGA

THE CATCHY HOOK SHIT WITH NO SUBSTANCE

Murda, don't take it seriously. Dude is just clownin'.....Mark S., what up nigga...I don't think Nas is gonna waste his time on 50 though. I'd be surprised if he came back at him. As far as Fat Joe.....Hopefully he'll drop a consistent album because if not....."cloudy, his future is"

I actually am gonna get back to the topic b/c I think that we have squared the whole Nas is better than Hov b/c he rhymes about peice and poverty arguement. Do it wit consistancey Nasir.

For real for real though Fat Joe was a street nigga, on a street level he was so much more than Pun's hype man, but as a rapper he is a biter. When Ja was hot he(Fat Joe) was making love songs (dont forget that video where was on the stoop talkin about "when Im outta town I dont acuse you of nothing", I cant even remember the name of that bullshit song). Now that niggas want to hear Just Blaze beats he is biting off Hov. On a street level Fat Joe probably could get at fiftey because 50 got shot buy a real O.G. and instead of picking on him (Supreme McGriff) he picks on Irv and Ja. But as far as rap goes, Fat Joe dont even count. Let Jada set 50 ass straight, b/c I'm tired of that nigga rhyming wit bullshit and selling. Complicate your rhymes more 50 that "Snoop said it in 94 ... we dont love them hoes" shit aint gonna fly too much longer.

..yo this cat what a joke cant be 4b real but i see what he is doing and he is speaking the truth i read this forum from the beginning to end you cats love that commercial sell out shit the catchy hook shit and you guys agree with him each time he played yall niggas ..thats mad funny ..each one of you cats keep changing your mind on this forum its mad funny..yo i forgot all about that nigga jay z wearing that shine suit lol thats mad funny..what a joke i see what you doing you feeding these niggas on this forum what they like to hear lies ...all you guys love that shit the money,hoes,benz,and those stupid catchy hooks ..what a joke is playing all you niggas on this forum that nigga is clown just like all you niggas on that jay z dick read this forum from begining to end all you niggas kept changeing there mind ..lol ..JAYZ WEARING THE SHINE SUIT IN HIS VIDEO WAS FAT THAT SHIT WAS COMERCIAL SO WHAT HE MADE MONEY ALL THOSE CATCHY HOOKS ..THAT NIGGA GOT SKILLS HE GOT HEAVY ROTATION ON MTV FLOWING LIKE THE FU-SNICKENS

who cares about fat joe that nigga and comercial like jay z ,nelly,chingy..we want that comercial shit ..fatjoe ,nas,rakim they all wack...give me jay z with that shine suit anyday flowing like the fu snickens ///or 50 cent ..

Actually that was Jay AND Dame Dash wearing those shiny suits!! The name of that Fat Joe "I love my bitch song" is called "All I Need Is You". Hey, when you have a niece that lives with u and all she watches is BET you end up learning bullshit songs too. I don't hate Fat Joe but he does need to step it up and not make anymore records like "We Clubbin" or "What's Love Gotta Do With It." Come with that "Don Cartegena" shit. Question: Where the hell is MOP?

I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHY EVERY ONE CARES WHO IS HOT/NOT. WHETHER U THINK JAY IS BETTER THAN NAS...AND WHO STEALS FROM WHO...THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN ME,SO I COULD REALLY GIVE A SHIT.

To all of you that are wondering why 50 is selling 8 or 9 million per album, go to Billboard.com and look at the singles charts. He has 4 songes in the top 5 on Hot Rap Tracks chart. He Has 4 in the top 11 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. He has 4 in the top 10 on the Hot R&B Chart. His singles are dominating radio, and none of these singles are a dis song, or him talking about him being shot, or beef, or anything. Get it through your head people, 50 is making the best songs of anybody out right now, which is why he's almost double platinum in 2 weeks. Good music sells albums, look at the Billboard charts and you'll understand that. These other rappers are making bad music that nobody likes, outside of the state of New York. Stop being local, and make some music that people like outside your hood, and you might sell some records.

Mr. Reality has spoken!

50 cent is garbage thats it shut up..

LOL. You're Garbage. 50 is runnin shit. Hate it or Love It!!!

The reason why 50 and Lil Jon and some of those cats sell is b/c of beats, hooks, image and basically everything EXCEPT hot lyrics. I like 50 as an entertainer but lyrically he's trash. You know have 3 categories Rapper (Hov), Hip Hop (Talib), and Entertainer (Nelly, 50, Lil Jon).

Everyone in this forum gotta get off Fiddy, Jay, Nas and everyone else you idiots mentioned. They are all talented in different aspects. Anyone who doubts Jay Z's talents as an emcee should grab a copy of Reasonable Doubt, and if you don't feel tracks like "Coming of Age" or "22 Twos" then you really don't get hip hop. Nas's Illmatic was great, and any fan of hip hop understands this. And whether you guys hate or love it "Get Rich or Die Trying" was a five mic worthy record in the same sense as Dre's Chronic was. You might not get it now but I guarantee you after a couple of years and after listening to lots of other garbage bull shit, you'll see this too (it should be evident already if u try to compare massacre to Get Rich). Quit being fans of the PERSON and be fans of the MUSIC. You CAN like TAlib Kweli And Blackaliciouc (listen to alphabet aerobics) and still have love for Snoop and Fat Joe and other commercial emcees. For those of u hating on Snoop, U need to go back and listen to Snoop's DoggyStyle and if u don't feel that shit you don't deserve to be even called a hip hop fan. THERE's NOTHIN WRONG WITH LISTENING TO LIL'JON...Have you ever tried getting crunk in the club to Talib spitting some knowledge shit...haha. So y'all gotta stop the hating and give each emcee the respect they deserve for whatever brand of hip hop they prefer to give to the masses. THAT'S REAL TALK cus HIP HOP wouldn't be the same without the Commercial Rappers or the Knowledge spitters.

Hey did hov really write "still DRE"

Yea, Hov wrote "Still Dre"

FUCK DA WEST COAST DIE YOU BASTADS!!!

Jediknight, sales dont mean $hit. If it does, then that means Vanilla Ice and MC hammer are some of the greatest lyricists of all times... bitch.

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ON THE CORNER COUNTING ROCKS CALL IT BASS CLASS,
THESE NIGGAS CAN'T LAST VICIOUS WITH THE PEN AND PAD,
SWITCH IT UP PLAY AROUND TOWN IN A VINTIAGE JAG,
HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMP, THIS IS RAPS VINCE MCMAN,
FUCK AROUND WIT ME DOG AND IMMA KICK SOME ASS,
I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CASH ANYWAY A NIGGA CAN,
QUICK TRIP TO THE CAN, PLAYING PISTOL TAG,
FORTY DAYS AND I'M BACK HOME KISS MY HANDS,
MATTER FACT MA LOOK, YOU CAN KISS MY ASS,
I MEAN LITTERALLY,
NONE OF YOU NIGGAS IS REALER THAN ME,
FLOW IS CHOKED UP DOPE, JUST WATCH HOW I SPIT A KEY. CHI CITY.

what the fck was that stupid shit below imma kick some ass thats corny that sugar hill corny shit..shut the fuck up ..

FUCK AROUND WIT ME DOG AND IMMA KICK SOME ASS,
I'M TRYING TO GET SOME CASH ANYWAY A NIGGA CAN

im late here. but the second cat who posted is retarded. jay-z a replica of nas? are you fucking serious? all that follow nas think he's so lyrical , oh he's so brilliant. how come he cant make any significant amount of money. everywhere he goes he gets a dick thrown right in him. he can barely go platinum these days. and thats cool if your a full-time conscience artist , but he is a hypocrite. and you dumb fucks continue to turn trhe blind eye. in my opinion you who follow him know nothing about the streets, because real niggas with an oz. of intelligence know dun cant rep it, he cant properly portray it, but he can try to imitate it. what kind of man gets his chick tattoed on him. i dont care for 50 cent, but nothing is more true than escotrash being a sucka fa luv. and the crazy part is he used to be one of my favorite artists. now i see right through him. money over bitchs nigga

how the fuck does a jz lyric not have substance. he dumbed it down for you cockbuffers but its still over your heads. you think of big pimpin and all of his classic material goes out the window. well i think of nastradamus and i am ready to through just about all queens classic material out the solar system. and i love cormega, and the old mobb deep. and i hate to say the old nasty nas

big up to black and truthspitter for words of wisdom

LISTEN ALL YOU PEOPLE UNDER 25 YEARS OLD GO OUT AND BUY ALOT OF THESE OLD SCHOOL MIX CD'S THEY SELL IN THE STORES AND LEARN THE HISTORY OF MC'ING AND BEATS. RAPPERS DONT HAVE MILLIONS OF BEATS TO CHOOSE FROM. THEIR ARE ONLY A FEW HIT MAKERS IN THE INDUSTRY THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY RAP ON THEIR BEAT AND YOUR SONG WILL GET AIRPLAY SO OF COURSE A JUST BLAZE BEAT FOR JAY-Z WILL SOUND LIKE A JUST BLAZE BEAT FOR FAT JOE THAT IS NOT THE MC'S FAULT BLAME IT ON JUST BLAZE FOR NOT BEING CREATIVE BECAUSE HE HAS TWO BEATS THAT SOUND ALIKE AND AS FAR AS VIDEOS THE SAME THING GOES VIDEO PRODUCERS HAVE THEIR OWN STYLE, FORMAT THAT THEY USE FOR EVERY ARTIST AGAIN BLAME IT ON THE VIDEO PRODUCER FOR NOT BEIN CREATIVE NOT THE ARTIST. THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BLAME AN MC FOR COPYING IS IF HE/SHE STOLE THE EXACT SAME FLOW STYLE, RYHMES AND PERSONA OF ANOTHER MC!! GET IT STRAIGHT ALL YOU NON-HIP HOPPERS WHO SWEAR YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT HIP HOP AND DONT KNOW SHIT I CANT STAND YOU ALL STOP SAYING SHIT YOU DONT KNOW INCLUDING THE MEDIA!!!!!!!

hahaha yo ya nyggas are wack . yo how the fuck u gonna stunt on the next nygga shyt? i mean ya broke nyggas on here worring about the next nygga shyt, like ya gonna hurt sometin cuz ya posting some ol bullshyt about somethin. fuck who's bitein of what, them nyggas is still makein money and ya still workin outta MC D makein that min. wage bread .. so nyggas tighten up and get ya head right ... holla

HAHA! You Jayz and 50 lovers are idiots. You prob like Britney Spears and the Backstreet Boys too. Cause there all in the same catigory. POP! You’re just a puppet on strings and the Music industry is controlling the stings. 50 and Jay just know how to play the game. As much as I hate 50, he’s a smart dude. He knows how to get the people to buy his album. Starts up beef so everyone will talk about him. These guys aren’t real rappers. They’re POP. True rappers are nas, jada, cormega. They don’t make there music pop. They just keep it real.

Nas the King of New York? Nas better than Jay-Z? Lets break this down. First and foremost, everybody forgot about Nas until the Takeover came out. The Takeover was a response to the track Stillmatic. So this means first, that Nas had the beef with Jay. If u not for the the Tri State area, you probably wouldn't know that it was because Nas got upset that he was not the King of New York. So that the Takeover being a response to Stillmatic, who won? Nas knew what he was trying to do with that track, and i have it, its straight garbage. And i guess u all forgot that Jay put up the challange to Nas to put up 1 mil to take it to Pay Per View, but Nas refused. Why? Don't start that bullshit that Nas had nothing left to prove, because to this day he tries to take shots at Jay, just to keep his buzz going. Nas is about to fade to black, He needs this beef with 50 because that nigga is fading just like he did before the Takeover. We all know Nas can eat 50. This nigga Nas ain't real, stop with the bullshit. Nas never flip a brick, but he suppose to be Escobar. Nas can spit, but u are making him out to be something he's not. If it wasn't about selling records, then Nas would have never did U Owe Me, with Ginuwine of all people. Nas disappointes me everytime i see him. But i see some of u niggas talking about Nas as if he is real hip hop. I guess u were all not into rap music when Oochie Wally and U Owe Me came out. Commercial or not Jay is the best. We can't talk about what would happen if Big and Pac where still here, because we don't even know if we would have been going in another direction musically. For all we know they could have still been alive, but the Crunk era could have taken over. So stop it. And if u want to get techinical about the best ryhme spitters, Big L. spit with Jay, Pac, and BIG, and he took over the tracks. So what would happen if he was still alive? But back to what i was saying, Nas is trying to much to be like Jay, he wants the street credit and the commercial success, if he didn't he would not have done the albums he had in the past. U niggas kill me with that bullshit about him being all about the lyrics, stop it! Ya'll make it seem as if Jay was runnin behind Nas for a long time and he needed him on his album, stop it! Jay never needed Nas, nobody listens to Dead Presidents to hear the hook. I'm use to be a Nas fan, but I see how he manifested in to the garbage he is today. The only track thats really been hot, was Rewind, because it was inovative. But niggas hate on Jay, because he bacame the King. And that clown who said that Nas forced Jay into retirement, really don't need to comment on anything else, nigga step ya game up, ya point made u look foolish for saying it. Nas can spit, and he is one of the greats. Jay gets not half the credit he should do to the fact that his commercial success over shadows his rhyming ability. Jay is sick, and it hurts some of u to say it. He won the war, so face it, he is the King. Yo another thing, real thugs don't back up dance. So how true is the thug life myth. Oh shit somebody is gonna start crying because of that shit!

I agree with both sides. My thing is this: for those who say Jay-Z is such garbage......battle him! Since you all think he's garbage, and he steals his flow, I'd like to see YOU go toe to toe with him on the mic, and see how "copy-and-paste" he is!

You motherfuckers are all stupid!!! Jay-z is the greats of all time next to B.I.G.niggaz. If he aint better than BIG hes the closes one! Curtis(50 Cent) Is hold it down right now. Look at what he has brought to music in the last two years! G-Unit,Bank$,Buck,Yayo,Game... Jadas cd was hott but his ass is local eastcoas. Damn nigga what the fuck has Nasty NaS done besides a song with his pops? Com'on man nothing. So get the fuck outta here. Comparing Camron, Juelz Santana is dumb there on Jays Lable lil man they cant hold jays mic(jock) nigga. I like the dipset just like you niggaz but how bout they sell some cds first before you talk she look at the numbers. G-Unit alone 20million+ in the last 2 1/2 year bitch!!! Get of Jay-Z and Fiddys dizzzick Bitches!!!! Keep making that POP music niggaz. If you want your favorite rapper to sell then go to bestbuy and stop downloading there shit bitch! Holla At Your boy.

iam down with truth spitter cause he likes that comercial shit the catchy hook shit ..that shinny suit jay z wore was the shit kid ..the hawaii sofie shit ...that flow that jay z had back in the days like fu-snikkens shit jay z is fat cause all he has is the fat catchy hooks the benz..the money..so what he sold out but he got the white audience buying his shit ..jay z is better then rakim,krs ... he was comercial ..i miss pac dancing around with humpty hump like i get around ..doing that video with jodeci..he was comercial i like that..nas,fatjoe,rakim,krs,mos def those niggas is wack cause they have no catchy hooks no benz or hoes ..no comercial sucess no white audience buying there shit ..all they have is good flow they preach to much..but no catchy hooks ..no benz ,rolex,moet,money or hoes...i want nelly he is like jayz ..or chingy..or mc hammer jay z is the man cause he is like mc hammer the big show commercial success ...bring back jeri curls like easy e ...yo PAC I GET AROUND just like humpty hump ..truth spitter keep telling the truth tell them you like that commercial shit ..not that MOP SHIT..OR KRS..ETC FCK THEM ..GIVE THAT CATCHY HOOK SHIT NO SUBSTANCE FLOW WE WANT IT ON MTV HEAVY ROTATION SO WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON JAY Z ,NELLY,CHINGY ..DONT PUT NAS ON HEAVY ROTATION HE SPEAKING THAT POSITIVE SHIT SO THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES FUCK THAT PUT THAT FAKE NEGATIVE SHIT OUT THERE LIKE JAY Z ,CHINGY,SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT UPLIFT THEMSELVES SHOW ME THE MONEY I WANT 50cent talking about gun clapping like he saif fucj the hood

ok lets make this real simple nas can spit and jay can spit but when they had that battle nas won everyone that heard the tracks said NAS won he just didnt win he destroyed jay he fucked that nigger up lyrically ..in the boxing world thats K.O NIGGAS THAT WAS ON JAY Z DICK JUMP THE BANDWAGON AND NAS WAS THE MAN ..thats it get the fuck over it already jay z lost ..let me say it again jay z lost ..ITS ENGRAVED IN HIP HOP HISTORY JUST LIKE KRS DESTROYED MC SHAN ...THAT NIGGER RETIRED DIDNT HAVE THE SAME CREDIBILITY JUST LIKE JAY Z HE RETIRED ..HE STILL HAS THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESS BUT THE TRUE HIP HOP HEADS FROM STREET KNOW NAS DESTROYED JAY Z ..AND THATS THE WAY THE STORY GOES JAY Z LOST SO YOU CANT COUNT ALBUMS THAT ARE WACK OR GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WITH THIS TOPIC EVERYBODY KNOWS JAY Z LOST AND EVERYBODY KNOWS JAY Z HAS MORE COMERCIAL SUCCESS AND MONEY BUT JAY Z LOST AND NAS CAN SPIT BETTER AND HAS BETTER FLOW THEN JAY ..GET OVER IT ..ALREADY ....THE NIGGA LOST ..LETS SAY IT ONE MORE TIME FOR ALL YOU STUPID DUMB NIGGAS THAT FORGOT AND WAS IN COMA FOR A WHILE THAT NIGGA JAY Z LOST ..TO NAS ..NAS DESTROYED HIM...AND EVERYONE THATS LISTEN TO HIP HOP SAID JAY LOST OR THE MAJORITY SAID HE LOST ..THEN JAY HAD PROBLEM WITH ROCFELLA LEFT RE-TIRED AND THE DYNASTY IS NO LONGER MAKING MONEY ...NAS WON GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY ..YES JAY Z HAS MORE COMERCIAL SUCCESS AND MORE MONEY BUT JAY Z STILL LOST TO NAS AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT NAS CAN SPIT BETTER THEN JAY Z ..EVEN JAY Z KNOWS HE LOST AND HE KNOWS NAS CAN SPIT BETTER

this nigger cant be searous but he got a point ..jay z wore the shine suit thats wrong yo ..jay z wore the shine suit dam that niger fucked up yo cant where a hine suit like yo mc hammer JAY Z WORE THAT FUCKING SHINE SUIT YO..DAM I REMEMBER THAT SHIT ..I FORGOT ABOUT WHEN HE DIDNT REALY HAVE A FLOW AND USE TO SPIT LIKE THE FU-SNIKKENS ..DAM HOW WE FORGET ..BUT NOT ME I REMEMBER THAT SHIT ..YOU CANT WEAR A SHINE SUIT AND WANT RESPECT TO ..THAT CRAZY YO

iam down with truth spitter cause he likes that comercial shit the catchy hook shit ..that shinny suit jay z wore was the shit kid ..the hawaii sofie shit ...that flow that jay z had back in the days like fu-snikkens shit jay z is fat cause all he has is the fat catchy hooks the benz..the money..so what he sold out but he got the white audience buying his shit ..jay z is better then rakim,krs ... he was comercial ..i miss pac dancing around with humpty hump like i get around ..doing that video with jodeci..he was comercial i like that..nas,fatjoe,rakim,krs,mos def those niggas is wack cause they have no catchy hooks no benz or hoes ..no comercial sucess no white audience buying there shit ..all they have is good flow they preach to much..but no catchy hooks ..no benz ,rolex,moet,money or hoes...i want nelly he is like jayz ..or chingy..or mc hammer jay z is the man cause he is like mc hammer the big show commercial success ...bring back jeri curls like easy e ...yo PAC I GET AROUND just like humpty hump ..truth spitter keep telling the truth tell them you like that commercial shit ..not that MOP SHIT..OR KRS..ETC FCK THEM ..GIVE THAT CATCHY HOOK SHIT NO SUBSTANCE FLOW WE WANT IT ON MTV HEAVY ROTATION SO WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON JAY Z ,NELLY,CHINGY ..DONT PUT NAS ON HEAVY ROTATION HE SPEAKING THAT POSITIVE SHIT SO THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES FUCK THAT PUT THAT FAKE NEGATIVE SHIT OUT THERE LIKE JAY Z ,CHINGY,SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT UPLIFT THEMSELVES SHOW ME THE MONEY I WANT 50cent talking about gun clapping like he saif fucj the hood

If Nas is such a great spitter, then why doesn't anyone outside of New York like his music? I mean, eminem is a lyricist, but he also makes good songs. A true M.C. can rock the crowd. 50 and Jay-Z are true emcees, not just local New York rappers like Fat Joe, Nas, and Jada Kiss. If you want to go back to the old days of rap, it was the MC that could move the crowd who got the most props. 50 and JAY are moving the crowd. Look at the Billboard SINGLES charts, and see who get's the most airplay. 50 has the number 1 album in the world right now, not the US, but the world, AND HE WROTE ALL OF THE GAMES HITS SONGS! Get it through your heads people! The world has voted, and 50's the best artist in the world right now, not just the best MC, but the best artist in the world.

Crack-a-Wear? 50/50 Waist line club? Hilarious as hell!!!!!!

Yo I'll slap fire out that nigga that says Nas beat Hov. Nigga I stay out in Astoria Queens, and I dont know what you heard but round here Hova reigns. Ya Ether was hott, but so what?? Nas is still our nigga out here and all holdin it down for QB, but we all know dat nigga Hov cant bre touched.
And you must be stupid if you really think the reason Jigga retired was cause Nas??? C'mon, like Jay said what more can he say? What more can he do?
He has already cemented himself as if not the greatest one of the top 3 greatest of all time. Jay aint a young nigga no more. The cat like 33 or 34. Hov sees a bigger picture..

NOW WE LIVING BETTER NOW COOGI SWEATER NOW WAS FROM "BIG POPPA" NOT JAY "Z"

"In 88 you were getting chased to your building calling my crib and i ain't even give you my numbers, all I did was give you a style to run wit" nas on jay. Who ever thinks nas didn't beat jov in that battle has to be the fuck STUPID!!! Jov had no come back after that!! And yea nas made jov retire, wouldn't you after either!!?
my order:
1.biggie
2.pac
3.NAS
4.jadakiss
JAY-Z A FUCKING BUM HE AIN'T NO FUCKING RAPPER!!!

When the fuck did jadakiss become an "elite" rapper. Yeah the dude got a lil bit of rhyme skills but he's NOT in the same league as Nas or Hov or BIG...(50 that's a different story). I mean fuckin Jada is not even in the top twenty in NY in my opinion... every single rhyme spitter in Wu Tang is lyrically more talented, he wasn't the best emcee when he was with Ruff Ryderz, and his rhyme style and flow is not unique by any means. So get the fuck of jadakiss' nuts he's a good rapper and thats it...y'all make it seem like he's a powerplayer or something... NIGGAH PLLEEEAASE!

yo Hollywood, Fuckyallniggaz, ...are U fucking kidding me!!! You say fuck Rakim? Krs, mosdef, public enemy is wack? you're a fucking moron man. Jay Z couldn't even hang with Nas...and even Nas gives Rakim the respect he deserves(Autobiography of Rakim on Street's Disciple), so what makes u think Jay could beat Rakim? Rakim is so lyrically versatile that he'll kill Jay with 8 bars and no less(I'm not on Ra's nutz i'm just stating the obvious). Jay z is DA MAN and all but u assholes got to pay respect where respect's due. Fuck Rakim??? Ur fucking demented! and "MArk S" u say fuck Tupac... u know what, Pac sayz Fuck U too...
You fake illiterate hypocrites on this forum who claim to know what their talking about need to appreciate the MUSIC for what it is - bomb shit, and quit all that BIG, JAY, Nas, Jada dick licking ...I bet u homos would probably let those cats stick it in your ass...Niggah please!

JAV You must be brainewashed son!! Nas was talikn shit bout Jay that was all bullshit BUT!!! hov really did give Nas' baby's momma a facial!! ha ha ha

you know who.. did you know what ..wit you know who...lets keep that between you and me though..

top 3:

common
third bass
nas

Its true study the statistics!!

Why are ya'll still talking about Nas & Jay-Z thats so 3 yrs. ago. They both ridiculous on the mic just with different styles and subject matter. Just cause Fat Joe used a Just Blaze beat don't mean he's biting Hov. That would mean all rappers bite of each other cause they all use the same producers. Isn't there enough hate in the world already? enough is enough.

Yo I agree someone should close this forum down. Enough has been said about this shiat!!

ok lets make this real simple nas can spit and jay can spit but when they had that battle nas won everyone that heard the tracks said NAS won he just didnt win he destroyed jay he fucked that nigger up lyrically ..in the boxing world thats K.O NIGGAS THAT WAS ON JAY Z DICK JUMP THE BANDWAGON AND NAS WAS THE MAN ..thats it get the fuck over it already jay z lost ..let me say it again jay z lost ..ITS ENGRAVED IN HIP HOP HISTORY JUST LIKE KRS DESTROYED MC SHAN ...THAT NIGGER RETIRED DIDNT HAVE THE SAME CREDIBILITY JUST LIKE JAY Z HE RETIRED ..HE STILL HAS THE COMMERCIAL SUCCESS BUT THE TRUE HIP HOP HEADS FROM STREET KNOW NAS DESTROYED JAY Z ..AND THATS THE WAY THE STORY GOES JAY Z LOST SO YOU CANT COUNT ALBUMS THAT ARE WACK OR GO IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WITH THIS TOPIC EVERYBODY KNOWS JAY Z LOST AND EVERYBODY KNOWS JAY Z HAS MORE COMERCIAL SUCCESS AND MONEY BUT JAY Z LOST AND NAS CAN SPIT BETTER AND HAS BETTER FLOW THEN JAY ..GET OVER IT ..ALREADY ....THE NIGGA LOST ..LETS SAY IT ONE MORE TIME FOR ALL YOU STUPID DUMB NIGGAS THAT FORGOT AND WAS IN COMA FOR A WHILE THAT NIGGA JAY Z LOST ..TO NAS ..NAS DESTROYED HIM...AND EVERYONE THATS LISTEN TO HIP HOP SAID JAY LOST OR THE MAJORITY SAID HE LOST ..THEN JAY HAD PROBLEM WITH ROCFELLA LEFT RE-TIRED AND THE DYNASTY IS NO LONGER MAKING MONEY ...NAS WON GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY ..YES JAY Z HAS MORE COMERCIAL SUCCESS AND MORE MONEY BUT JAY Z STILL LOST TO NAS AND EVERYONE KNOWS THAT NAS CAN SPIT BETTER THEN JAY Z ..EVEN JAY Z KNOWS HE LOST AND HE KNOWS NAS CAN SPIT BETTER

jay z lost shut the fuck already there nothing else to say jay z lost ...shut up ..that big lip nigga lost jay z wearing that shine suit flowing like the fu snikkens ..that nigga IS right he has being saying that shit over and over again ON THIS FORUM jay z wore that shine suit...jay z is wack AND THAT NIGGA IS A FUCKING LIER NAS GETS MAD LOVE IN QUEENS IAM FROM QUEENS NIGGA YOUR A FUCKING LIAR THAT NIGGA NAS GETS MAD LOVE IN NEW YORK THAT NIGGA PERFORMED IN CENTRAL PARK AND GOT MAD LOVE FROM NIGGAS FROM NYZ DONT FUCKING LIE ON THIS FORUM...HE SAID JAY Z LOST THATS IT SHUT THE FUCK UP

NUMBER 1 JUST SAY YES OR NO TO THIS QUESTIONS.

1.DID JAYZ LOSE THE BATTLE ALREADY AGAINST NAS .YES OR NO.....OF COURSE THE ANSWER IS NO ..CAUSE WE ALL NO JAY Z LOST AND THE NIGGA RETIRED ALREADY...

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JAY Z LOST FOR ALL YOU DUMB NIGGAS ON THIS FORUM JAY Z LOST IS ALL OVER THIS FORUM EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK ITS PART OF HIP HOP HISTORY EVERYONE THAT LISTENS TO HIP HOP KNOWS JAY Z LOST ...WHEN THEY INTERVIEW JAY Z ON MTV THEY HE EVEN MENTIONS HE LOST ...WHAT THE FUCK JAY Z LOST ...GET OVER IT ..

i suk

READ THIS SHIT BELOW THIS NIGGA IS FUCKING WITH ALL YOU FAKE NIGGAS HE IS FUCKING WITH YOUR HEADS ITS TRUE WHAT HE IS SAYING THIS WHAT ALL YOU WACK NIGGAS LIKE THAT FAKE SHIT ..HOMO..YALL NIGGAS LIKE THAT MC HAMMER SHIT

iam down with truth spitter cause he likes that comercial shit the catchy hook shit ..that shinny suit jay z wore was the shit kid ..the hawaii sofie shit ...that flow that jay z had back in the days like fu-snikkens shit jay z is fat cause all he has is the fat catchy hooks the benz..the money..so what he sold out but he got the white audience buying his shit ..jay z is better then rakim,krs ... he was comercial ..i miss pac dancing around with humpty hump like i get around ..doing that video with jodeci..he was comercial i like that..nas,fatjoe,rakim,krs,mos def those niggas is wack cause they have no catchy hooks no benz or hoes ..no comercial sucess no white audience buying there shit ..all they have is good flow they preach to much..but no catchy hooks ..no benz ,rolex,moet,money or hoes...i want nelly he is like jayz ..or chingy..or mc hammer jay z is the man cause he is like mc hammer the big show commercial success ...bring back jeri curls like easy e ...yo PAC I GET AROUND just like humpty hump ..truth spitter keep telling the truth tell them you like that commercial shit ..not that MOP SHIT..OR KRS..ETC FCK THEM ..GIVE THAT CATCHY HOOK SHIT NO SUBSTANCE FLOW WE WANT IT ON MTV HEAVY ROTATION SO WE CAN SPEND MORE MONEY ON JAY Z ,NELLY,CHINGY ..DONT PUT NAS ON HEAVY ROTATION HE SPEAKING THAT POSITIVE SHIT SO THAT BLACK PEOPLE CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES FUCK THAT PUT THAT FAKE NEGATIVE SHIT OUT THERE LIKE JAY Z ,CHINGY,SO BLACK PEOPLE CANT UPLIFT THEMSELVES SHOW ME THE MONEY I WANT 50cent talking about gun clapping like he saif fucj the hood

Reading some of the posts on here make me laugh. Why can't people like who they like and that be okay. I do not understand why the hell the people who like fifty are so damn angry. The way i look at it, these artists have not shaped or changed my life in any way. The only people in this life i will ever care about is my family and friends. 99.9% of the people on here are defending these artists like you know them personally or they have payed for your car or payed the tuition for you to go to school. They should be the ones thanking for you for spending YOUR hard earned money to make them richer. I am actually stunned at the anger and rage in some of the post's, you can feel it through the screen while reading them. "CHILL" My favourite mc happens to be Nas, but i dont have to defend him because thats who I like. I can respect that some people will not agree with me and that's fine. EVERYONE has the right to their own opinion and you don't have to result to name calling and cussin just because you do not agree with it. Whats up with the amount of N@**$ being used. I guess it goes to show the level of intelligence of most of these people. Here's a forum why do especially hip hip artists love so many diamonds. how can they wear starving african men women and children around their necks in such excess.

TAK 1 nigga I should come to yo hood and blaze you son!! Niggas like you get murked in Astoria. I neva said Nas dont get love in queens I said niggas here show more love for da nigga HOV. So quit frontin like u stay in New york you Nebraska corn husker mutha fucka!~1~

Any body who thinks Hov is garbage just dont know shit about rap, freestyle,hip-hop, and music period. He is the best to ever do it point blank! Don't even mention Nas. Nas is a decent rapper not even top 10. He won the battle so what...he aint moving units....Pun, Big, Pac, Rakim, Big L, those are them niggaz....Right now there aint a better rapper than my nigga kiss..he might not sell that much but lyrically ...#1

SO WHO CARE ABOUT UNITS NAS NEVER WORE A SHINE SUIT OR SOUNDED LIKE THE FU SNIKKENS ..THAT WAS JAY Z WEARING THE SHINE SUIT ..AND JAY Z LOST THE BATTLE LIKE THE GUY SAID IN THE FORUM GET OVER IT JAY Z LOST DIABOLIC YO CRAZY TALKING ALL THIS SHIT ABOUT COME TO MY HOOD TAK 1 THATS MY BOY WE KINGS YO HES FROM QUEENS NAS GET MAD LOVE AND IAM FROM THE BRONX 1211 ELDER AVE DONT BE TALKING SHIT ABOUT THE HOOD WE WILL FUCK YOUR ASS UP NIGGA ..WE ROLE DEEP .NOBODY TALKING SHIT ABOUT COMEING TO MY HOOD BUT YOUR DUMB ASS TALKING ALL THAT SHIT LIKE 50 CENT ALWAYS TALKING SHIT BUT WHEN THE SHOT OUT REALY HAPPENS 50CENT WANT TO MAKE UP AND BE FRIENDS ..FUCK YOU NIGGA WE WILL FUCK YOU UP ...STUPID ..NAS GETS MAD LOVE IN NEW YORK...AND JAY Z LOST GET OVER IT ..FUCK RECORD SALES AND COMRCIAL SUCCESS I GO TO WAR WITH NAS ANY DAY ..THAT NIGGA SPEAKS THE TRUTH ...FCK JAY Z WORE THAT SHINE SUIT LIKE MC HAMMER JAY Z WORE THE SHINE SUIT ..THATS MAD FUNNY SHINE SUIT

wat the fuk r u guys doin 50 cent, fat joe , ja rule , n more r bubblegum musics they'r not even rapper u crazy bitches they don't even rap they only put gurls in there video shakin there ass. the best rapper is nas n tthats dot!

wtf r u guys gay or something talkin abt these fuckin shine suit fuck u all JAY-Z or hover or watever u call him is GAY fuck 50 cent fuck fat joe fuck jay-z fuck ja rule hes a fuxckin try hard wanna grow up in the hood boy n fuck all the bubblegum music ppl there not rappers. they just want a hit song its destroyin the rap industry its soo gay hearin bubble gum music by rappers wtf they don't even rhyme n fuck nelly hes a gay fuckin retard bitch wanne be. so don't talk shit abt the true rappers n stop defeandin the bubblegum music makers bitch....

In this week's Pulse Report, the streets are abuzz about a rumored Game, Nas and Jada diss track, 50 Cent dissin' Em and Dre, Jadakiss prepares for lyrical warfare, and Fat Joe gives 50 a treat.

1. Jadakiss, Game and Nas unite against 50?. Rumors have surfaced that former G-Unit soldier Game has teamed with Queensbridge kingpin Nas, and D-Block's Jadakiss for a diss track aimed at 50 Cent. The rumored collabo is supposed to take place today and be produced by Terror Squad production duo Cool & Dre. Word has it that Riker's Island inmate Shyne will do the intro to the track. However, none of the mentioned parties have confirmed that such a collaboration is indeed in progress.dam this nigga 50cent is crazy

Jay-Z is the dominant over 50 and nas but i think nas is closer to jay than 50 is.From what im hearing 50 is fake

50 makes good music but Jay-z and Nas gets deeper,and i can actually feel where they are coming from.Dont get me wrong 50 does still sell,and make hits but he aint mesin wit Jay.The way jadakiss and Fat Joe did him makes me not to even hear him because it seems he's not fo'real for what he's rappin about.

dirty jerz good shit "WHAT MORE CAN I SAY"

All I can say after reading this post,Damn I got an headache!
The hostility is crazzzzyyy,just like the music.
Lets clean up HipHop,lets clean up our black music,communities,schools,etc.
What are we here babbling about?who is better than my low self esteem,is that it?
Does it really matter though when they arent respecting their culture?Heck most of you all dont even respect the pioneers of yesterday to even understand how low we have come in our music,politics,home,family,you name it we are failing people!

Half of our younger generation doesnt speak enough standard English to step foot into college so forget about a decent career or life,yet these clown you all idiolize get respect for blowing hot air our way.You all need to take the blinders off!

It's nice to see some of these rappers getting deals,but at what cause?truth be told I dont mind my club bangers when I'm at the club,but the music("plantation")business isnt balance for me to accept it so I dont buy into it!
Further more there is a bigger war going on against us,most of these popular music is being used to destroy us.Be aware!
Understand the logic of why some folks sell and others dont or wont,they cant bend them or used them.Ignorance will be at the forefront where black folks are concern.
If you arent about nothing you will accept anything.

Lets rebuild "Ours" this is a cause to fight for,the energy you all wasted on this thread could have been used for something much more constructive.

Screw 50 and his beef,this is my 2cents!

nas GETS DICKED BY JACOB ON A RING FOR HIS BITCH. WHAT HE SPEND LIKE $50000 AND IT WAS WORTH $7000. AT THE END OF THE DAY BARRING THE EXCEPTIONS OF NELLY, 50 CENT, AND OTHER GIMMICKS. ITS DOLLLARS AND CENTS. AND JAY COULD PURCHASE A RING FOR $10 MORE THAN nas IS WORTH AND IT GIVE TO ONE OF YOU 'nas IS GOD''nas IS INTROSPECTIVE' GIRLS, AND IT WOULDN'T HURT HIM ANY WORSE THAN ONE OF U CRAPPIN OUT ON THE DICE FOR $5. ALL YALL GOT TO GET nas PUSSY OUT YA MOUTH

EARLY

FAGGOT

Props to The Truth Spitter... yall mad b/c he hitting yall over the head with the realness.

Mark S is speaking the truth also.

Jay-Z is the overall MVP of this rap game -- he took it to heights that cornball, hypocrite Nas could never go.

Fat Joe... he ain't even worth the time I took to type his name.

To Bigfe78:

You wrote:
"THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN BLAME AN MC FOR COPYING IS IF HE/SHE STOLE THE EXACT SAME FLOW STYLE, RYHMES AND PERSONA OF ANOTHER MC!!"

That's exactly what Joe did! He copied Jay's flow and he's trying to copy his persona. On that track "So Much More" and "Safe 2 Say", he's biting Jay's entire style. That's TRADEMARK Jay! That's just one example... I don't have time to type all the biting.

Dirty_Jerz... you speak all truth! Preach!

whats mad funny is truthspitter and mark s is the same dude ..you guys haveing being changeing what you say back and forth about jay z ..lets get something straight jay z has more money..but everyone knows on this forum and on this globe that jay z lost the battle its all over this forum nas destroyed his ass jayz z flow will never be better then nas never ever in history it will go down that nas took out jayz ..you take away the money the albums,and just haveing them spitting nas would win ..there no need to question it anymore cause nas already one the battle when nas and jay z are 70 years old and they look back jay z will remember that he lost he will remember that everyone selected nas over jay z ..for all you guys on jay z dick and i mean jay z dick nas destroyed jayz ..and thats the truth and thats science NAS WON ....everyone knows get over it ...you guys are told the same thing over and over again by several people on this forum thats it stop crying leave it alone already..

why is everybody talking bout 50 it is so clear that dat nigga cook coke crack put it to his ass in his diss when i see you imma give you my 44.... 50's a jealous bitch plus we all know who the top three rappers out right now lil weezy juelz santana and my boy cook coke so get off that top 40 bullshit that aint rap its fucken garbage

HGM shut da fuck up nigga. You probably one of those clown ass bitches dancin in da club to fifty screamin G G G G Unit!!
Lil Weezy?? shut yo mouth bitch!!

And for dat nigga CROWN talkin like he hard, trying to throw his adress out there like I'm supposed to be impressed. You a young bitch ass nigga!! You on some middle school here's my adress shit. Shut all dat shit up.

FIRST OFF LET ME START OFF BY SAYIN, WHY THA FUCK R YALL MUTHAFUCKAZ ARGUEIN OVER NAS, JAY, BIG,AND THA REST OF THEM WEAK ASS NIGGAZ. THAT NIGGA TUPAC IS THA GREATEST PERIOD. AND IF U NIGGAZ THINK OTHA WISE YALL MUST BE ON DOPE. LET ME PUT IT LIKE THIS IF IT WASNT FA TUPAC NOBODY EVEN KNOW HOW TA RAP. FOR INSTANCE NIGGAS THAT SAY BIGGIE IS HOT AND NOT TUPAC, HAVE TA FIRST STOP AND THINK HOW IS BIGGIE HOTTER THAN TUPAC WHEN TUPAC IS THE ONE THAT TAUGHT THAT NIGGA BIGGIE HOW TA RAP BACK WHEN THEY WAS COO. AND IF IT WASNT FA BIGGIE JAY WOULDNT BE KNOWN FA HIS GOING INTO THA STUDIO NOT WRITIN SHIT DOWN STYLE CAUSE BIG WAS WHO JAY SAID HE COPIED IT FROM. aND AS FOR NAS THAT NIGGA HAS BEEN PRACTICIN HIS WHOLE LIFE TO TRY TO COME OFF DEEPER THAN TUPAC HAS EVER HAVE AND HE STILL HAVENT BEEN ABLE TO THAT SHIT YET. AND AS FA THAT TWO QUARTER AS NIGGA 50 HE GOT RESPECK WHEN HE FIRST CAME OUT CAUSE OF HIS NEW STYLE HE HAD BUT NOW WIT THAT PIGGY BANK SHIT, HE LOOSIN IT CAUSE NIGGAZ IS STARTIN TO SEE THAT THE ONLY OTHA NIGGA TO MAKE A TRACK DISSIN A GRIP OF MUTHAFUCKAS IS THAT NIGGA TUPAC. AND FIFTY SAID HIS SELF IN ONE OF HIS RAPS THAT "I WANT THEM TO LUV ME LIKE THEY LOVE PAC" AND ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN CAUSE WHEN TUPAC MADE HIT EM UP, WHEN WE RIDE ON OUR ENEMIES, FUCK EM ALL AND BOMB FIRST HE GANGED REPECK OFF OF THEM TRACKS AND FIFTY THAUGHT HE COULD DO THE SAME BUT ALL THIS DID WAS SET MUTHAFUCKAS AGAINST HIM.SO WHAT IM SAYIN IS TUPAC IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE GREATEST RAPPER PERIOD. AND IF YOU DISAGREE WHY DISS TUPAC DISS NAS, JAY-Z, MOBB DEEP, BIGGIE, THE BRAT, DRE , AND EVERY BODY WHO WAS REPPIN EAST COAST AND STILL TO THIS DAY NONE OFF THEM NIGGAZ EVER GOT BACK ON HIM. ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE WAS TRY TO MAKE SONGS WIT HIM OR COPIN ONE OF HIS SONGS, SUCH AS ME AND MY GIRLFRIEND. THATS HOW U KNOW TUPAC IS WAY HOODER THAN JAY-Z CAUSE TUPAC'S ME AND MY GIRLFRIEND WS ABOUT HIM AND HIS GUN BUT JAYS WAS ABOUT HOW HE LOVE BEYONCE.

SO IN CONCLUSION FUCK ALLTHOSE STYLE BITEN ASS BITCHES!!!!!!

yo ya niggaz is pussy fat joe is the illest rapper nigga ya quit fuckin around wit ya brains yo fat joes da shit iight boricua 4life.fat joe aint bittin off of nobody iight. so does who hatin fuck ya 50 a good rapper but fat joe better yo fat joe made a diss to 50 cent shits hot better than piggy bank shit the fat joe song is called FUCK 50

yo I'm feelin pac just as much as the next nigga but when you say everybody tryin to be like pac, and bitin his hit....well that aint accurate.
Pac didnt teach biggie how to flow, (I hope you dont believe everything that nigga Pac says)
Biggie had extreme talent. Watch the documentary on Big. He used to stand outside his apartment at the age of 14,15,16 and so on and just freestyle about anything. When cats starting comin around to watch he would just randomly point somebody out and just kick some ill freestyle about them.
NOW!! we all know Pac couldnt do that. Pac was a decent rapper. He didnt start to really blow up until that whole beef with the East Coast. And do you know why he started that whole beef?? The answer was to simply make money. He knew Big never tried to kill him..Why would he want Pac dead, and what da fuck did junior mafia ever do to Pac, or mobb deep? NOt a damn thing!!!
Pac was simply a greedy muthafucka that tried to run wit real gangstas out in da west but got a bullet in his ass instead.

straight up none of these rappers give a fuck about us. DEAD PRESIDENTS to me right now is the realest in the game. music is supposed to inspire not MISLEAD OUR YOUTH as for which most of these rappers is doing and FRONTING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO IN THE STREETS CUZ THE FEDS WOULD BE ON THAT ASS. most of these rappers ain't making money like they say, they're getting pimped by CORPORATE AMERICA THE REAL WINNER IN ALL SITUATIONS. IF Y'ALL PAID ATTENTION TO YOUR EDUCATION LIKE Y'ALL DO THESE RAPPERS Y'ALL BE GENIUS'S 2BAD Y'ALL NOT. THE JAY-Z/NAS BEEF STARTED WHEN JAY DID 'DEAD PRESIDENTS', WHERE HE SAMPLED NAS'S VOICE, HE WANTED NAS TO APPEAR IN THE VIDEO, NAS DECLINED, EVER SINCE HOV CAUGHT FEELINGS SIMPLE AS THAT AND I FUCK WITH BOTH OF THEM. LISTEN CLOSELY TO ETHER, NAS ASSASINATED JAY. 1 LUV & LEARN HOW TO SPELL HOLLA BACK

I think jay-z makes other rappers lyrics memorable. Ya gonna hate on jay -z for take a bar or two off other rappers but not respect the rest of his flow in a song. Ya otta ya mind. Nas did rip him though. Everyone knows what song too. Dont even front. If Big L was still alive he would of been the leader off the roc wit jay. No doubt bout it sons. Download criminal slang ya will hear wat im talkin bout. 50 came a long way. Ya hatin because he went a lil club. Smart man! He got people buyin his records all ova the world. Dont hate cause he got shit ya wish ya had. Act like if ya aint see 50 ya wouldn't ride his dick. For all ya hatas on 50. He mutiplied his name by a millions. G G G G-Unit. Dont get me wrong Fat joe has gotten better but wit out Big Pun he would not be in the position he is in now. Thats why Shug smacked game. I aint sayin I seen Shug smacked game. My nigga Taf told me shug smacked game down in miami. He aint give the West Coast mouth to mouth. 50 did. he revived the Cest Coast.

This nigga bleek don't know wtf he talkin bout. Don't mind him. 50 is trash and all them other commercial niggas. Immortal technique nigga!!!!!

Comments from a nigga name totti. How funny is that. U problably some fat nigga that is beat as hell ova a gurl. Shhhheeiiiilllaaa. Dito its ok nigga cause u dont know shit bout rap. And yo favorite rapper is gorilla black. Boooooo this man off this website.

Fuck Y'all

OCT 10 is the greatest

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It's me

Music is all about mood. Rapper make music Dj make beats. What mood u get after listen to the music determine how u will favor the artist.
We listen to gangster rap like we enjoy a good gangster movie. (Good fellas, Scarface, GOdfather..)
Real Nigger love that shit.
When u listen to Nas... you do not feel that gangster shit. It's all about his little world and his 10 yrs old thought. hahaahaha opps sorry.. Nas is Stillgabage.. He is still the greatest for 10 yrs old boy and girls.
When you listen to Jay, 50, jada or other hard nigga.. It's totally different feel.

so stop fighting about who is great or who is not.. it's really can't be compare.. music feed u mood.

If you a weak homo or girlie like- u will enjoy Nas, Q-tip and other gay rapper
If you a gangster type - u will enjoy jay-z, 2pac, biggie, 50, l.o.x, big pun etc.
If you like pop music - u will enjoy ja rule, Christina, etc
If you are weed head- u will enjoy anything from Dre

ima say this and leave it alone..hova is the best rapper alive..if u ask any of these dummies to be a rapper for a day..all of u would say..let me try jiggas shoes for that 24hrs..so stop frontin its like askin a ball player to be mj for a day..none of u would say let me be kobe or lebron or even Shaq u would go str8 for 23#..samething wit rap..nas is dope but he aint mj to the rap gane Hova is..fools..bottomline..we could talk about lyrics...doe..sells..all day but the truth is jigga is the winner..u can have ether..i want those 6 rings!!im startin a new topic..why does Game drop so many names in his raps?? TO ME DUDE IS OVERATED..would any of u buy Game if 50 wasnt involved..and it was just GAME a rapper from Compton??to my dudes out west..this is not the answer..every song is eazy e...dre said..50 need..i mean every song..damn nigga...and did u know EAZY?or is it way to get niggaz to listen..i hate rappers that drop a million shouts on every damn song just to show he met or knows somebody.yall on here talkin bout payin homeage..but i mean cmon..damn..eazyeazyeazy,,dredredre/505050..damn game..50 is right i cant wait til his next lp comes out..dude dun used every name in the fuckin book..this is not the answer to the west..it cant be..hahaha..big up snoop..pac..niggaz still dont have what it takes to bring the west back..damn..and b4 yall start hatin i love westcoast rap..from spice..to eiht..to quik..to nwa..40..short..all the true pioneers..but this nigga GAME?is wack to me..sorry yall

man stop with this hating and bullshit about who is best nas or hov. hov got dollars, and nas got paper too. lt`s only that jay has more, but at the end of the day they all millionaires. So stop hating, Jay is good, but he trying to use psychology to win people over. Look at what he did to R Kelly, trying to make it look as though people didn`t want R Kelly on tour and make himself look bigger. We talking about the R son, Jay is nowhere near the great R. R kelly got legal problems, but that doesn`t take away the fact that he made history out of talent. He doesn`t have to tell u that he is good, u already know, no question. Everybody respecting Jay that he is office now, that don`t mean shit, Def Jam is now just a name, nothing is coming outta Def jam, why did Russell sell his shares. On the black album Jay talks of history in the making. History is never made, coz people have already forgotten of The Black Album. We got people like Joe Budden, Game, thats real talent ma nigga. So don`t get it twisted. Fifty dissed Ja and kept shouting he got shot 9 times to get on. He accused ja for being soft and making records for women, whats the massacre about. l will take to the candy shop, nigga please, you taking to what u said about ja. this cat got nothing to sing about anymore. This si the dumbed nigga l know, matter of fact people who buy his records are the dumbest ma fuckers. That nigga and the whole G unit ain`t got nothing to say. Game is the only emcee out of the camp, glad he is no longer G unit. Hov going at game telling him he got apartments that he can put his home in, nigga please, the kid is new to the game. U can`t expect him to have all of that yet, he on his way. Game`s rhymes got nothing to do with money, he the realest emcee. And not forgeting the pastor, that the is the one of the lyrical gods misunderstood. Mase one of the greatest rappers ever to come out. Jay only blew because mase retired.

Holla back

Nucca please tell us you aint serious about all that dumb shit you just posted on here!!
Mase one of the greatest?

That nucca...I agree about your point on 50 but to say that jay blew because MASE (of all people) retired is kinda far fetched. Now if you had of said Fabolous or Loon or any one else in that little league of commericial mush mouth MCs, then I would have agreed but not Jay. Not riding dude's dick or nothing but Jay; just on the strength of skills alone is far better than Mason Betha. You really can't even compare the two because they are so far apart in style, delivery, subject matter, etc. it's kinda like comparing Nas to Jermaine Dupri. Yeah they're both commericial but Jay can actually write compelling rhymes. Mase....well let's just say you never saw a Mase rhyme in the Hip Hop quotable section of the Source or Train of Thought in XXL. You have to remember that Jay was 4 albums deep including Hard Knock Life ..Vol.1(1998)& Life & Times of S. Carter..Vol II(1999, winning Grammys and all that when Mase decided to follow God in 1999. Mase also dropped that garbage album Double Up that went triple aluminum that same year. But you really believe that Jay blew due to the retirement of Mase? I'm not caught up in numbers and awards and all that but I'm just putting the facts out there. Besides...these cats don't give a good god damn about any of us on this board. They ain't breakin bread with us so why do we even bother with the whole Nas is better than Jay is better than 50 is better than Jada is better than whoever bullshit? Everybody got their favorites for whatever reason.

Mark S. you back at it, huh? Honestly, I think Game is aiight. I don't think the future of the West Coast is riding on his shoulders though. There are too many West Coast artists to name that are doing it without Dre for me to say that the West still needs Dre beats because they don't depend upon or need Dre. That's not a slight to Dre becasue he makes (or at least helps to make) good beats. (check your album liners before y'all step to me about that line. Trust that Dre has a lot of help...Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Mel Man, etc. Not all producers are keyboard dependent like Swizz Beats). Back to Game; he does name drop Dre, 50 & Eazy a lot. Nah He didn't know Eazy but he just recognizing the nigga for helping lay the foundation for the West. However, that don't mean he gotta mention him through out the ENTIRE ALBUM! As far the question Mark S. posed about would anyone buy Game's album if 50 wasn't involved...shit to be honest I was hoping that 50 wouldn't be on it but he's on 2 songs. Matter of fact, I feel like his singles are only OK, I like the other album cuts better but that's just me. The rest of you probably will label me a hater but fuck it cuz anyone with some sense knows where I'm comin' from.I would have checked for it without 50's involvement but understand why he said that. I get the feeling that lot of people may not have paid attention had he not been signed to Aftermath/G-Unit/Interscope or been involved with G-Unit. You know people are with association and stuff like that. I don't understand the fascination people have with G Unit but that's those people's business. 50 and them making a lot of money off of these people. We all know 50 ain't the greatest lyricist by any stretch of the imagination but we all also know why 50 sell what he sells too. It is what it is. The game has changed (no pun intended) but I won't rehash that topic.

I'm still laughing about Nucca saying that Mase is one of the greatest rappers ever!!!! I don't think that HE even believes that himself!!!

By the way...this is for the West Coast cats oyut there: What will it take for the West Coast to be dominant like they used to be?

"Act like if ya aint see 50 ya wouldn't ride his dick"- posted by Bleek. Umm.....that's sounds rather suspect, bruh. Hope you're a girl cuz if you're a dude sayin that, you a real dick in the booty lovin, fruitcake type of nigga.

I hate Fat Joe. That little bitch. He gotta get outta the game soon. Theres not enough room for a cat like him. You heard his new song that dumb "Incredible" thing and that other "I known you came to party" shit. He cant spit. His beats is wack and he trying so hard. He cant hate on 50 either.

Man dis da kidd 50 cent. fuck fat joe ya herd! dat lil fat ass nigga aint nuttin. i rock dat m=nigga jaw (HA HA) and fuck the hole terror squad and u kno what fuck ja rule 2. and fuck dat bitch ass nigga jadakiss 2 dey all can kiss ma black ass. FUCK TERROR SQUAD!!! ITS ALL ABOUT G,G,G,G,G-UNIT .and dats not all ima bout 2 come back on dat fat ass nigga fat joe. JUST WATCH YALL YOU`LL SEE....IM OUT.

50 cent

ya boy!! I knew 50 cent was gonna post in this room. yo 50 we love you nigga you rock!!!! you're gonna crush joey crack and kiss dude!!!
g g g g g unit!!!

i just read all u niggas shit and its official, all of the fans of nas in the message boards are some complete haters. Im about to keep it really real about this real hip hop shit, how is nas real hip hop and jay-z, 50, and em. Don't we consider sugar hill gang the legends of hip hop but compared to there peers from back then like melle mel, kool moe dee, and grandmaster caz them sugar hill niggaz was the wackest even back then, but the are part of hip hop just like nelly chingy and all them other niggaz that we think are wack cause i do think they are not dope m.c.'s but real hip hop aint how articulant a rapper is. hip hop is a culture. rap is a form of hip hop so all of these rappers are spittin real hip hop, just their view of it. hip hop is rapping, breaking, djing(where the term hip hop originated from) and grafitti. ask all the the og's of hip hop. this so called real hip hop started in the early nineties when the eastcoast niggaz like jeru and tim dog started hatin on the west because the east in my opinion got boring, epmd broke up rakim and kane fell off this is pre biggie, nas and az. u niggaz need to start doing your history cause in all honesty nas, onyx and blackmoon and wutang brought the east back, because before biggie went double plat, onyx did 3, give props when props are due and onyx and bootcamp deserve theirs eastcoast, not jus biggie and nas.

i'm basically RESPECTING only BLACK AND BLACKMAINS OPINION.and I DONT agree with them totally but i still real respect there remarks cuz they are some real rap heads. NAS AND JAY-Z BOTH NICE, LYRICS SHOULD BE NUMBER 1, I DONT LIKE EM BUT HE SAID MUSIC SHOULD BE ABOUT EMOTIONS THATS WHY THEY WANNA GIVE HIM THE BEST TITLE.
MY POINTS
NAS AND JAY-Z BOTH NICE
JADA'S GOT SKILLS AND IS THE FAVORITE AMONG UNDERESTIMATED RAPPERS

now back to this nas and jigga shit. I'm my opinion and this is comming from a detroit nigga and we like everything except d12 jus kidding them niggaz is dope too. But wasnt it just 6 years ago when beanie, em, 50, and royce, came out that it was always an argument bout who was the next leader of the new school, and you cant be considered if you wack, and even though em had the numbers wasnt 50 the streets number one pick and em was a close second, all the sudden 50 cant rap,hmmmm? it is true he did dumb down his shit i think a lil to much, but dnt ever say he cant rap cause he proved to us in 99 with that aint gangsta, life on the line and every song on power of the dollar the he was one of the dopest niggaz and this was 6 years ago, and dnt for get about u not like me, and how to rob. So for all u niggaz sayin jada will kill him listen to be a gentleman, when he was the only rapper at that time to go at jigga and it was dope. u niggaz got bad memories or something. I aint dick riding jus stating the facts, niggaz who were fans of fiftys from the beginning know he can hold his own with the best of them, remember fuck wutang when he crushed ghostface. Stop dick riding, nas is a top 5 nigga but he is the reason why him and 50 arent friends no more cause just like jada in my eyes he's a hypocrite. he say fifty has been bravehearted but went behind his back and did the jlo song, fifty aint say shit, next thing u know nas is on the pledge with jarule, hmmmmmm? i thought 50 was bravehearted? but u rocking with murder inc? again i'm not dickriding fifty of dissing nas, just stating the facts. wasn't jada supposed to be dmx mans and ruff ryders for life but he did a song with jarule who jus got through talking shit bout dmx? hmmmmmmm? now i would admit fifty and fat joe shit is kinda gay but this is rap and most of our battles come from miscommunacations, come to detroit u will see alot of that. I am a fan of pac jay and nas, they are three of my top ten next to pun, cube too short, m.o.p. twista, royce, common, ras kass, and big daddy kane, dog my list will never end shit, heltah skeltah starang wondah(ogc) biggie, ren, doc, i'm a fan of rap and i live hip hop. Jigga to me is the great even more so then big and right next to pac because of the subjects he rapped about at a high level, like pac did, biggie and pun never had that chance. all these rap niggas can say wat ever cause only niggaz be hatting like that is fellow rappers who think cause they say big as words they are supreme to everybody, biggie never used big ass words dont u niggaz think he the greastest of all time, to me very much overated cause he never got a chance to provide more. he only had two albums and pun was more lyrical. Jigga speaks for everyone from the ballers, who need a soundtrack for their lifestyle, the grimy niggaz, and the regular guys, plus joints for the ladies, and only pac, and jigga and fifty had did that a a high level, nas somewhat because in the streets especially detroit we think it was written is one the greatest albums ever not illmatic which was very new york. thank you nas for it was written and i am. detroit love you for those even if new york was hating cause u aint have niggaz making you beats with simple samples and sp1200 drums. no disrespect. but it was written was a soundtrack to the streets just like reasonable doubt and vol 1 which was jays worse album but still dope as hell shoulda keep blackstreet and babyface off woulda been another classic. but in all honesty u cant compare jigga and nas. the both are legends i just think jay-z speak more clearly about his views and stick to them while nas is a muslims(like myself)one min , next he got a cross on his back.HMMMMM! but to end all the hate nas fans, study jay-z albums and not his singles and u will see why the streets not rappers label jigga the greatest. but even rappers say it. only pac big rakim and cube before predator had this kind of love. fat joe is dope i love all his shit espcially j.o.s.e. but it took pun to bring the animal out of him cause he was very average when jealous ones envy and fat joe the gangsta came out. like pac every album he got better but pac was already dope he just got sicker and deeper. it seems like fiddy has took the ice cube role where the business is bigger then the skillz and u know to each is own i still support both of them, just like i still support master p, but nothing past last don. i just buy the old shit cause niggaz always stealing that c-murder(dnt sleep on life or death new york, its a nother hood classic. i'm babaling now so i'm bout to just say this. nas and jigga are two of the greatest not just rappers bout musical artist ever but jigga is just more clearer and more better an artist cause like fiddy said we are in the business of selling music.

JAY AND NAS BOTH GOING DOWN IN HISTORY, STOP TALKING IRRELEVANT SH!T LIKE WHO FAM EATING AND WHO SKEETED ON WHO'S BABY MOM'S
50 IS ONLY THE KING OF CURRENT RECORD SALES
JADA HAS SKILLS, skills should sell
ENTERTAINMENT SELLS MORE, CUZ HIP-HOP IS OUT THE HOOD, beef sells, and i like young buck but he could be more lyrical like other artist, i like most artist, for doing them but i think lyrics should be the main reason for sales. PROPS 2 BLACK FOR 4 PUTTIN YALL D ON THE MUSIC and SECONDLY FEW ARTIST HAVE COMPLETE SAY ON THEIR CAREER, THEY GET FORCED 2 DO CUTS THEY DONT WANT 2 MAKE LABEL EXECUTIVES AND PRES. RICHER CUZ FRIVILOUS SH!T DOES SELL

i'm sorry to say but d truth be told most people r just gettin the whole rap/hiphop thing wrong, first and foremost whats d base of the argument about, is it who's real in hiphop?, whats hiphop? or whos a better mc, cos all d answers i'm readin r lookin all mixed up, but the issue i wud like to address is who's a better rapper or mc, first and foremost rappin or mc-ing is all about the lyrics , what d artist spits and hes creativity its not about how many records sold, its not about the airplay or the artist's lifestyle, so if u look as rap as an art and not a business, i'm sure u know nas is better dan jay-z lyrically, , but jay not cos hes not good lyrically looked at rap from a different prespective and made he's primary aim d money, so decide to spend time makin songs with commercial appeal rather dan spend time elevatin his lyrical game, so des dude had different purposes in d rap game but in d long run overall u cant look down on either cos they had diff plans, but if u're talkin bout rappin or mc-ing and u make d old heads in the game like rakim, ll cool j , krs, nwa e.t.c pardon me if i didnt mention sum imporatant people just givn examples, i mean put all of dem together sum where to pick an mc who reflects hiphop better or rap better, the same way they were doin it , if u make them d the jugdes who d u think dey wud pick between nas or jigga,the truth is right under ur noses, jay clearly states the words "i'm a hustler" what else is a hustler after other than money so dats his aim, the early greats of hiphop werent after dat as a primary objective, who ever thot rappin by d street corners wud become worth millions, so no newskool dumdum shud come out here and say the primary objective in game is money thats d point where most of them get it wrong, thoes dat go 4 d money first in mind r thoes dat dont have anything original to offer all dey do is cook up ur radio and mtv singles 4 y'all to dance to whick mostly relies on d beats and hooks,leavin d song with no lessons or messages passed, if hiphop/rap was meant to be about beats or hooks rahter dan d lyrics, why do rappers rap anyway , why not just do an album off beats and hook and put his name on it without even spittin a line, dats cos its not about dats its about what u spit and what u spit has got to carry weight, its got to be lyrical dats what justifies your creativity,dats what make you and artist, look every1 is bound to his own opinion but the fact is rap is bout your lyrics, not ur commercial hooks, ur money, ur lifestyle, not ur airplay or record sales its about your lyrics and creativity and i'll let you decide whos got the real rap thing in him, i'm sure even if i explain this to a 12 yr old he wud pick out the right choice, so y'all shud act like grown ups and face d facts and stop being blinded by d money ,spinners and all d blings dey using to blind ur eyes and thots 4rm the true essence of the art of hiphop, makin it look like a money thing rahter dan a creative thing, atleats dats d message the younger generation r gettin bout the whole thing its an art not made up shits ya heard, and as for fatjoe i'm not really his biggest fan but let the man be if hes creative hes a good mc if hes not den hes not, dats just it, no need to argure bout dat cos it dosent make none of ur lives better,i wish people like lauryn hill wud come back an drop an album titled the "miseducation of hiphop",

basically the truth got my point across

Basically my point has already been expressed by some real fans of rap and the hip hop culture. allow me to go off topic a little, and ask who or what is responsible for rappers having 2 go commercial too sell? And why aren't the best lyrcist the top sellers?

slim shady 4life?u are a joke..hahaha..blacKmoon?onyx?stop it fool..buckshot was a major fallout..and onyx?are u serious..two wack rappers and a dude that got his ass kicked by a whiteboy on mtv?the wu and BIG saved the eastcoast..and even though illmatic was a classic..back then it was not a factor the west had it on lock sir the east was lookin hard for some help..no big?no wu?eastcoast wouldve been a rap 4real..west has always had better music..eastcoast just always had the lyrics and the problem wit nas is his production we love his flow and swaggar so much we look right past it..i dont..i always said if dre could do a whole nas lp?whewww shit now u talkin.. i mean i know its more prod in the game besides..just blaze..and scott storch..i mean damn cmon now...shit gettin boring,,just blaze trk,scott trk..and a radio joint from the wacktunes..atl vibe wit lil jon...ok now put that on the shelf..i mean damn where are the new hot niggaz and thank you 50 for sayin u can carry the lp not prods...where are the rest of u niggaz that can take a hot beat from that new dude and carry it?aka like dmx did?..i wanna see real talent again not a bunch of namebrand niggaz..over and over..and if anyone see redman tell'em i said go sign with Shady and lets make some noise!!!..im sayin this now..this summer a new cat will emerge i dont know who..but somebody will i feel it..the fans are ready for that new nigga!!

*****your right but it will always go down in HIP HOP history that NAS destoyed jay z SO 1000 YEARS FROM NOW EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM WILL BE DEAD BUT IN HIP HOP HISTORY EVERYONE WILL KNOW THAT NAS DESTROYED jayz ...theres nothing we can do about that we can talk about record sales and talk and say everything you want and express your thoughts regarding jay z and NAS and everything else but you cant change time or history cause 1000 years 2000 years from now everyone will know that NAS destroyed jay z ...and it was written ...***..DEAL WITH IT ....

BLACK THOUGHT IS THE ILLEST "NEW" SCHOOL EMCEE OUT.

man all i got to say is that jay-z is a bitter he can't even put out a C.D. on his own without someone else rhymes on it jay is a punk he lost every battle to Nas in my view the best rappers in the game are well three of them are dead Big L, Biggie, Tupac, and the greastiest masterminds alive are Eminem and Dr.Dre i don't care what ya'll say aint nobody sellin what they sellin they aint even gotta rap they get money from G-unit D-12 Obie trice and the Game so holla back at that niggas

1) Jay isn't a biter. Yeah he pay homage to BIG in some lines but overall has he used anyone elses ENTIRE RHYME or something? No.

2)Everyone knows Nas bust his ass with Ether. Nuff said.

3)You impressed with sales. Everyone knows who buys Em's albums. I guess Nelly impresses you too cuz he goes 5-6 mil every time out, huh? get the fuck outta here with that. D12? C'mon, you can't be serious. They lose credibility just for the fact that Bizarre is in the group. I'll say it-IF EM WASN'T IN THE GROUP, BOTH OF THEIR ALBUMS "DEVILS NIGHT" & "D12 WORLD" WOULD BOTH BE APPROACHING DOUBLE WOOD STATUS right now!!!!Obie Trice is aiight but one of the illest in the game? I won't even bother with that one. Em & Dre-masterminds? What exactly makes them masterminds? Please educate us on this one? I mean Em does have some skill and Dre makes some ill beats (my Dre comment is probably an understatement) but again, what makes them masterminds in your opinion because I don't see it.

THE LEVEL OF IGNORANCE IN THIS FORUM IS AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. MOST OF YOU WHO HAVE LEFT MESSAGES HERE, CAN HARDLY PUT YOUR THOUGHTS DOWN WITHOUT USING PROFANITY. IF THIS IS ALL THAT BLACK YOUTH IN THE U.S ARE CONCERNED ABOUT...GOD HELP YOU ALL. THANK GOD I LIVE IN CANADA. I AM A YOUNG BLACK FEMALE WHO HAS GONE TO UNIVERSITY...AND WILL NEVER BE LIKE THE FOOLS IN THIS FORUM. THIS IS FOR ALL THE IDIOTS TALKING ABOUT "PEOPLE IN MY HOOD GET MERKED FOR THAT KIND OF TALK" PLEASE!!!!!! JUST BEACAUSE YOU DONT SHARE THE SAME VIEWS AS HIM. MY ADVICE TO PEOPLE LIKE THAT.... GET AN EDUCATION AND BETTER YOUR LIFE!!!

Wow thats pretty good iam happy for you in canada ..but as far as your edacation per your previous notes "I AM A YOUNG BLACK FEMALE WHO HAS GONE TO UNIVERSITY"shouldnt it be who is in college ...who has gone to university thats suspect..wow great GED.......TO ALL THE PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM PLANING TO FURTHER THERE EDUCATION IN CANADA ..USE THIS BLACK FEMALE AS EXAMPLE DONT DO IT ..

Thank you for your benevolent dissertation on your thoughts of the inner city youth of the United States of America. It is apparent that you placed much thought into your post and typed it with such conviction. To that I must say......

GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE WITH THAT!

You don't know who has a Master's, a Bachelor's or even an Associate's degree in here, little arrogant heifer. This is the way we CHOOSE to express our thoughts amongst ourselves in this forum withere you're American, Canadian or any other nationality.

Yes an education can indeed enhance one's prospects in life but it isn't a guarantee that success will come with obtain a degree. NO, hip-hop is not the only concern of the African American youth of the US however it IS the topic in this forum and the basis of this very site you decided to visit. Hip-Hop is something that we, the African American and Latin American youth and those not so young, have given the world and we come here to expound upon our views of it and the artists who manifest there thoughts on the mic. Some people who come in here are INDEED ignorant but most of us who post here actually know what the hell we're talking about. Now I suggest that if you don't agree with our views and expressions, then you need to find another site. BOUNCE! Take your ass on to Essence.com or something and feel free to pontificate on society's ills OVER THERE!

and yes I know I misspelled "whether"...my bad.

SO I GUESS CHIMA WAS RIGHT NEXT TO JAY-Z WHEN HE DID THAT TO NAS BABY MOM RIGHT? NIGGAS SWEAR THEY KNOW SHIT AS IF THEY WERE THERE OR SOMETHING!!!
ALL I KNOW IS THIS, NAS IS A WAY BETTER RAPPER THAN JAY, AS LONG AS THE WORLD KNOWS THAT NAS DEFEATED JAY IN THE BATTLE THAT RIGHT THERE PROVES MY POINT THAT NAS IS BETTER THAN JAY.

this for that guy who said something about onyx and buckshot. what do shit that happen after their fist albums have to do with their contribution to that era. nobody on the eastcoast hardcore went plat in awile till onyx and wutang in 93 so how the fuck didn't onyx didnt part of the attention to the east. the west was way more better musically thats why jeru and all them other eastcoast niigas was hating cause they got boring and dark and the west coast was putting out shit that had relevence to everyone outside of l.a.. the eastcoast was at that time straight new york shit till blackmoon wutang and onyx and redman and keith murray and biggie and craig mack, and busta rhymes, nas ,a.z., thats till e-40 gave it to a-z on record haters

it's just music, if your not willing to see another person's point of view on a topic and all you can come up with is cuss words then lean back from the computer and take a deep breath. I think Fat Joe has that whole King of NY complex, but that doesnt mean he's copying Jay-Z..Fat Joe been rapping like that.

why cant peoples just get it? no rapper did it as good and as long as jay-z

Errbody know 50 n Jay r jus controlled by da paper...the disses they target at niggaz dont even mean shit... i mean all he sed to fat is lean bak wuz a dud...n errbody know it wuznt. my boyz in africa wuz doin the rockaway too man! that shit wuz hot!!! ok...jada may b local but we all know he still gon beat 50 in that battle n win that mil n he might stay local...we all know jay all about his biz...he aint got enuff skills. I mean nelly moved 30 mil n jay bin in the game since 92...he moved 17 mil to date. nelly bin in since 2000...he moved 9 mil wit one lp but fuck nelly this aint bout him. all im sayin is u can come out wit the most original rappin style n errbody will love u...or u cud fuckin bite some other dude n come out half as hot. its on u. fuck tha haters...the hottest rappers around in ascendin order: Ja rule, Game, Busta, O Trice, Twista. all these niggaz can flow like nile rivers man thanks 4 readin we out 1

This may be a little late, but the ignorance of the moronic opinion that Jay has taken Nas' style is proposterous -- BS!!!! Nas' flow (his ability to ride a beat) is not in the same time zone as Jay's -- meaning Nas would be watching the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, while Jay-Z is in the G4 watching The Passion of the Christ. At least Jay said "he changes styles every two rhymes" (that's 22 Two's for you motherf&^#@%$, naw' mean?) -- Nas claims he doesn't do something and does it. He's supposed to be known for dropping knowledge, but he can't even get his history correct ("These are Our Heroes" -- Kobe defecates on Shaq AFTER Shaq leaks domestically incriminating info about Kobe getting his thing on at a party; Isabel Sanford (Weezy) became the first Black woman to win an emmy in 1981 -- I'll stop there).
Now on the Ether -- Takeover/SuperUgly thing -- Nas has the better track -- a gut wretching, Kano "pull your heart out of your chest, and show it to you as it beats" dis song. However, much like Kano, neither can be documented -- they're both virtual reality. If Nas would "still whup his ass" and he was "a Tae-Bo hoe", he should have definitely started moving some furniture for real after the man "left condoms in his baby's seat." Who's "the fan, the phony, the fake, the pussy, the Stan"?
In a battle, there are plenty of emcee's who would eat Nas alive because he has to have a pen, pencil, and some paper to be lethal. Now that's cool -- nothing's wrong with that, for he is an incredible lyricist. But if you have a cypher, Mos Def, Black Thought, Canibus, Jadakiss, Beanie Sigel, Cam'Ron, Eminem, and last but not least, Jay-Z would rhyme circles around Nas. Why? Because they'd still be rapping while Nas is writing something hot down. It's a talent with the paper; however, it's a gift with the mind.

fat joe has been taking jay-z's style lets not forget that on the don cartagena album fat joe did not flow like that ..... and lets not forget he's allright but he's not reall on the j.o.s.e album.....fat joe's a bitter but you know what he's sounds better soundin like jay-z then he does sounding like fat joe and that real talk as far as jay stealing lyrics .... he's making sure you dont forget his man b.i.g and all the pioneers who's done it ... everything else is hate ......

Sorry fellas' The Best who ever did it was Rakim and KRS one. If you asked your best MC's today who influenced them hands down form Tupac , Snoop, Nas, Jadakiss most of them would say Rakim. Rakim put serious lyricism on the map. Paid in Full if it came out today would be still far more advanced lyrically than any album, period. His lyrics on that album alone maybe with the exception of PE's It takes a Nation, are the greatest rhymes ever put on an album until this day. Rakim is the only reason you all are having a discussion about who is real MC and who is not. He set the standard for real MC's.

And my man KRS, a testimony to his greatness is the fact, I have heard people say on this forum that people bit Rakim, Pac, Jay, Big, Nas, Kool G,Chuck D etc. . However no one has said that so and so bit KRS One. Why? Because dude is unimitable. That is the mark of how original and creative the man was with his. Think about it, Nobody has ever been accused of sounding like Kris, unless you count the time he accused ice cube of biting his album. KRS is a the only MC who has successfully combined lyrics, styles, content,originality, and rhyme skills and social commentary AT A HIGH LEVEL. KRS is the most original MC on the planet. He may not be the best lyricist(Nas,Rakim) or have the best flow(Biggie,Kane), or the most creative style(Slick Rick,De La)or even the best content(PE, Cube) but my man is straight up top notch in all those areas. He is not lacking in any of those. There is not an MC alive or dead that can touch KRS in all around MC ability. It is kind of Ironic, but the only one I could see even coming close if he would shed that screwball image and quit catering to Middle America would be Eminem. All pop BS aside when he puts his effort into it dude can make some cold stuff. Eminem has skills and he can craft songs. Dude is a better lyricist than 95 percent of the cats out now. He just gets silly with his music sometimes.

It's been real funny listenin to all the crazy opinions. Guess I'll throw mine in. First off, I love Pac to death, but until he hooked up with Death Row, nobody, and i mean NOBODY was calling him one of the G.O.A.T. I think he's more popular for what he said to the media than what he's said on his albums. Most people think this is borderline sacrilage, but I don't think lyrically Pac could hold a candle to Nas, Big, Jay, or even Jada. the point is, being great in Hip Hop isn't about being a dope lyricist. If it were, we would be talkin about Mos def, Talib Kweli, Ras Kass, or some unknown cat from the old lyricist lounge cd's. The hip hop fan is finicky and tastes change from summer to summer, so to be successful in this rap game, you have to stay hot and keep puttin out hot music. Nas didn't do it, He made illmatic, and off the strength of the hype that followed, he initially sold more with his next cd. Off the stregnth of reasonable doubt, and biggie's props, Jay sold more off his following cd. But jay kept putting out hot singles and hittng the mixtape circuit and guestspots on other hot singles. Jay handled his business much better. Nas had trouble putting out a cd worth listening to over the next few years, now people want to call him great.
To add to someone's other point. Selling records is what this business is about. Why do you think Nas atempted to make radio friendly singles anyway? Even today, LL will battle anyone if challenged, but his records will never reflect the type of battle mc he is. He may not sell as many records as 50, but will 50 still be makin records 20 yrs from now. If I had to call someone the best, and i don't have to, it would be Jigga. His flow is ridiculous, he voice is clear on record, he puts on probably the best live show of any big hip hop artist, he crosses the boundaries of the teens and the young adults, and to top it off, he's got street cred. Basically he appeals to every type of hip hop fan. Nas will never sell like Jigga, 50 will never touch jigga lyrically, Eminem will never get jigga's ghetto pass, Jada will probably never touch Jigga's mass appeal, Pac had several duds before hookin up with the right people, and Big put out 2 albums total,(one of them great, i'll let u guys decide which). Besides, Had Pac lived longer, is it possible that he would have ultimately ruined Big's career much in the same way that 50 ended Ja's,(on a much bigger level of course). I mean, would we have tired of Big's Versace, Crystal, and Coogi references in every song. Would we have eventully lost respect for the man who couldn't keep his wife out of Pac's pants. Would we have soon tired of Pac's contradictory lifestyle and messages.It's nearly 10 years later and who the hell knows how we would feel about them today if they were here. The fact is that J stayed on top and true to his words, held us down for several summers. Besides, if for no other reason to ive him his props, he's got Be!!!

most ya`ll niggaz think l`m crazy even mentioning mase. Man he is the realest cat out there, double up didn`t sell, but that is one of the most honest albums in hip hop, the truth. Life is not all diamonds and bitches, listen to double up u understand. U don`t have to ask whether mase was gangstar, u can track him down to the days of children of the corn. Then u know l`m talking about murda aka mr mussolini. u dont fear no man, coz we got the same gunz that u got or even better though.

miss whoever the fuck you are, getting an education is not for everybody and what makes you think people leaving messages on this site are not educated. You gone be surprised to see the person you look up to, probably your boss is on this site 24/7. This is healthy for people to unload their frustrations, and run away from reality. l bet u, u are never gonna do anything fascinating with your education, coz judging from your message, it shows you don`t even understand what your degree means and you probably still trying to figure out what kind of job suits your degree. UPS is hiring.

JUST SO U KNOW "that nucca" I AM A LAWYER AND WILL NEVER HAVE TO WORK AT UPS.I DEFINETLY KNOW WHAT I AM DOING WITH MY DEGREE, AND THANKS FOR ASKING. NOW,WHEN I DRIVE PAST A UPS TRUCK IN MY BMW M3 CABRIOLET.....I'LL HAVE A GOOD LAUGH. LASTLY WE CAN'T ALL BE RAPPERS AND BALL PLAYERS, SO AN EDUCATION IS GONNA GET YOU THE THINGS YOU WANT OUT OF LIFE. YOU'RE PATHETIC...GET A LIFE!!!

BIG UP MISS CANADA.FOR U FOOLS OUT THERE MOST CANADIAN YOUTHS AFTER THEY GRADUATE HIGHSCHOOL GO TO UNIVERSITY. DONT HATE ON THE GIRL FOR BEING SMART AND MAKING SENSE. ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE CAN'T LET SOMEONE HAVE AN OPINION. Y'ALL JUST MAD. I AM 26 YEARS OLD AND GRADUATED FROM YORK UNIVERSITY IN TORONTO, WHEN I WAS 23. I NOW WORK FOR CANWEST GLOBAL, WHICH IS A NEWS CORPORATION. MISS CANADA HOPEFULLY I WILL SEE YOU AROUND IN T.O RIDIN IN YOUR CABRIOLET. DO YOU MA.

ok back to the real topic since ms holy water from Canada expressed that she drives a bmw m3 and she is a lawer all lawers lie and are crooks ...so stop the lies your not a lawer ..if you didnt like what was send on this forum about you too bad you put your foot in your mouth with that crap you wrote no one cares that your a lawer thats not the topic on this forum stupid ..and fuck Canada to and by the way anyone can purchase a BMW M3 whats the point you are trying to make now if you said you got gangbanged by 200 guys in your bmw then i would be impressed and we would have the last laugth sorry for the vulgar dirt but you had it cumming !!!stupid wipe your mouth you missed some

i was gonna put something bout how much 50 sucks dick and nas is the illest, but rather i will say why people be doggin the girl from canada. it sounds like peeps are vex cause she be doin something. so what if lawyers lie she getttin payed, are u gettin payed "no one cares"!! most rappers be lyin to us anyways. how u know the girl ain't no lawyer. i would love to be pushin that. "no one cares" u say anyone can purchase a BMW M3, what u be drivin and would you have got it legally. anyway u dumb as nigga lawyer is spelt with a "Y". dumb fuck!! why u be tryin to dis the girl. u mad cause your girl ridin the bus. the way i look at it if sistas in canada be pushin bmw's i need to move. most of the sistas i know aint even got their own ride. i'm out!!!

Okay all i gotta say is Big, Pac and Nas are the best end of story. Stop hatin. Stop hatin on people who have more than you. Stop disrespecting females ie. talkin bout a female gettin gang banged by 200 guys. U on some shit to be sayin that.

well miss, good for you if you got all that going on, but word of advise, don`t rush into concluding that everybody needs to grow up and be mature, coz you don`t know where they are coming from. You could have the best paying job or be a lawyer but be the most miserable person. Find out first about other people before you go opening your mouth thinking you better that most only to find out we already on a level you still trying to get to. lf you so happy about the bmw you pushing now, it shows you are just new to this, people who are used to staff know there is bigger things than that. it`s just a car. Holla when you got something constructive to talk about and that is off your own thinking not what society or people around you think when you get to a certain point is the highest level of success that one can attain. l gotta bounce coz my break is over, l got a big order of burgers to flip. Peace

Back to the topic, I agree with some of the people at the top. Fat Joe probly did inherit his new style from jay, just like jay did from nas, nas did from kool g so on and so forth. But who the fuck cares where somebody got an idea from, its the fact that when you listen to there songs you can relate. Dont you have a song you listen to when you want to fight, cheer up, fuck, or you feel somebody made for you like they were watching your life with you. Thats why almost everybody agreed that pac was the best. He controled your emotions. Thats whats music suppose to be about anyway and getting money. If you dont like it, dont buy it. If you do, turn that shit up and fuck what anybody else has to say. Its funny a bunch of people arguing over what everybody else has and are doing instead of focusing on themselves. These are the reasons half us movafuckas wont live to see a million or wont be able to enjoy it if we do.

this is to "anyways" hop the fuck iff canadas dick u fucking suckup and if u got a problem respond BITCH

back to the topic no one is seeing 50 or hov

first of all to say fat joe is biteing off jay z is insult to jay z even though jay z fell off he is to comercial and he and lost to nas 2nd let fat joe do his thing he ran a whole summer on lean back everybody was listening to that shit every club you went to or car you passed had that shit playing but fuck joe ...that nigga has been around too long just like jay z ,nas ,fat joe ,redman,keith murray ,snoop ...we need new shit ...cause thats what you niggas on this forum like you dont support artist anyway once that nigga falls off or is to oldschool you dissed them cause if iam not mistaken all you niggas was listening to ja-rule or mase etc. when he first came out look at DMX iam not surprised you niigas on this forum havent dissed him yet all you new school niggas dont support true hip hop out with the old in with new commercial shit ..as far as 50 ..honestly i think the money is going to his head unless someone kills him i can even bet everyone on this forum would start saying he is like pac if he died ..you guys are wishy washy and 50 realy cant spit just make your money and hope that 10 till fifteen years from now you still have your carrer and enougth money to support the lifestyle you live just like mike tyson ...cause remember you can go back to where you came from the hood ...but all the niggas on this forum anyway all you care about is those niggas making loot and the benz...you dont support any of the old school shit ..if that rapper aint making loot he is wack i promise you maybe 10years from now there will be homo thug niggas rapping making mad loot videos with two hood niggas feeling each other up .. making mad money and everyone on this forum whether there gay or not is going to love them cause there comercial and there making mad money cause you new school cats dont have any bounderies you allow any thing example nelly,chingy ,lil jon as long as the beat is fat with catchy hooks mark my words you will see homo thug niggas spitting soon so for all you niggas on this forum talking that shit about who cares as long as that nigga is making loot and is selling units dont talk shit when you have to dudes feeling eachother up on a video spitting dissing jay z ,nas or whatever cause its going to happen cause you niggas love that shock value and the nigga selling units and making mad money..theres a couple of cats on this forum that dont care about the substance just the catchy hook and how much money is made so for you cats that like that shit your not going to have a problem with homo thugs spitting rhymeing about why you like my nigga you niggas know who you are on this forum ..you wont have a problem with the next biggie or pac , jay z ,nas being a homo thug you have no bounderies what you cats try to say something about this ..cause you cant its going to happen mark my words ..me i would continue to listen to krs one ,nas,biggie ,big l all that old school shit with no catchy hooks ....you guys created a monster good luck all you new school cats ...enjoy your new shit ....remember this b-boy nigga from the bronx told you so where hip hop started the boogie down bronx..and by the way have fun with this one dont care what you niggas have to say cause you know its going to happen ...cause you guys allow any thing bieing eachother beats ,flows ..like i said if the cat is makeing money and selling units there will be a homo thug ..its a fucking shame //you guys fucked up hip hop ..stop supporting that fake shit ...you know who you are ...if not enjoy that next homo thug spitting ...that next jigga,nas,joe, etc ...

Hi peeps , i got this on the net ,i don't know if it's'real
Afermitive action verball attack word assassin
murda tactics burn a track back to Curtis Jackson
pac would turn in his casket, but you maken me laugh
to see you get in the game from all the dicks you take in the ass
while you fake on a track and act like you a gangsta in rap
theirs real street niggas who could break you in half
but since 'em signed you, you run around and claim you can rap
like 'em just paved you a path or ****en gave you a pass
a fee bee to make up for every slave that he had
or every racist comment that he made in the past
I done herd you say a million times that you killed a guy
but Black Child stabbed you and that nigga still alive
you aint even bruised no one, you have the dirty cops
do your dirty work you aint even had to use yo gun
you real hard in the studio poppin **** in a mic booth
you dont wanna have me fight you you wanna have me write you
talkin bout "Nas my son wants to be just like you"
well if you ask the street niggas eminem over hyped you
each bullet in yo ass is a symbol in its place
to remind you how hated you are when you see that dimple on yo face
just give up nigga you've taken enough
when you got all the people involved sayin you suck
and half the **** you say you just maken it up
so now your own crew members haten yo guts
nigga why da **** you think yo whole crew is top charters?
cause your all pop artists your hip hop's garbadge
why the **** you think you maken the same money as Britney makes?
g-unit is a boy band nigga and 50's fake
you real tuff till g-unit gets gobbed with sticky tape
and have my niggas run up in and robb yo piggy bank

{Hook x2}
So what you gonna do when **** hits the fan
you gonna fight like a man or just kiss my ass
or threw all this hostility you **** your pants
I'm a short fuse and you lit the match

{Bridge x2}
Nas, a braveheart veteran
name an mc I aint better then
you against me you could never win
meet me in the streets we can settle this

{Verse 2}
When I'm speakin threw rap, you niggas deepin my wrath
**** mixed with emotions makes it hard to keep it on wax
cause it can steer off a track and coserveer off of rap
and have niggas jump you till your left breathin with gasps
and each have you stabbed and all of my people in masks
so you cant identify to the police who attacked
just niggas reachin for straps and heaters bringen out gats
and watch this thug turn pussy when he pees in his pants
niggas callin my name, I can turn '50 cents' into a 'Buck'
invest it in the 'Bank' and spend it all in the 'Game'
a ball and a chain with an anchor tied to your ankel
and hang you until you dangel and break you apart from each angle
and repeatededly kill you with my freedom of speech
so you can look at my lyrics and read 'em and weap
so you don't run with cops? nigga niether do we
but your right hand man is the cheif of police
beef in rap cause you aint got the balls to beef in the streets
cause you'd get another lil cute dimple on your cheek with the heat
yeah I got my wifey tattoo'd on my arm
while you got a "Nas' biggest fan" sign glued to your thong
while you shake yo lil ass for them record exects
and blow kisses and suck up so they'll send you a check
but never the less I knew about you steppin to X
but interscope made you take it off the track to settle your debts
to calm your beefs, you bitch made put a switch blade threw your rib cage
and watch your chest leak in the street like bootleg mixtapes
aint no need to dictate, line up your calvulry
you talk that gangsta **** and get it twisted with reality
ayo my pistol got the flue and my bullets got allergies
so if the trigga sneeze you gone be anotha casualty

{Hook x2}
So what you gonna do when **** hits the fan
you gonna fight like a man or just kiss my ass
or threw all this hostility you **** your pants
I'm a short fuse and you lit the match

{Bridge x2}
Nas, a braveheart veteran
name an mc I aint better then
you against me you could never win
meet me in the streets we can settle this

thats deep..nas the godson ...top nigga in the game right now ...watch everyone jump the bandwagon like either

fat joe is an ugly motherfucker...i seen his ass tryna show them two suburban youth" how to party on mtv..." knowinf damn well nobody wants to get with his ass

Yo some of yall ppl is wack. Jigga is surpassed Nas where the hell is Nas....Jay basically ended his career... Now that Hov has retired nas is trying to make his comeback. C'mon yall cant be serious, jigga challenged Nas to a battle and this nigga backed out...I mean yea ether was a big diss to jay but Takeover and Blueprint 2 ripped Nas. I aint gonna lie jigga bites some lines but he has some sick bars taht he spits to and he is a freestyler none of his shit has been written and he still has nastier lyrics than Nas. Plus hes banking Nas' top selling cd probably matches jiggas worst selling... And as far as Fat Joe plzzz u cant compare him to anyone in the game unles u talking about ppl like mike jones or Paul Wall....and that_nucca is crazy Jay-z getting style from Nas c'mon Nas has no style he even tried to do what HOV has done with a clothing line and it flopped Nas is a dud so is his whole career... If Nas was to battle jigga and freestyle its obvious who the winner would be...and we know its not Nashere the fake thug who sampled from jay-z's life when trying to talk about his

oh and for the record Nas isnt in the Top 5 rappers either i mean his metaphors suck when u talkin bout rappers like joe budden and fab with their similes and metaphors thats mcing making ppl think on what you say and making them say oh that shit was nasty or oh this a is a hot line...not Oh yea your ryt nas life is so hard in the hood everyone in the world knows that shit.....peace

That nigga is ryt... U want to talk about good mc's.....talk about their lyrics and how they make u think a little bit "when i come back like jordan wearing the 45" nas couldnt come up with that and he WRITES... If nas is so hot how could Jay-z sample one line of his and make into a sick song "yea i sampled ur voice u was using it wrong, u made it a hot line, i made it a hot song". C'mon be nas cant take his music to hieghts thats Jay-z has go to europe and ppl will be like Nas who but Jay-z's shit sells everywhere even in africa

you guys are believeing your own stupid lies on jay z first all jay z has been around for a minute that nigga never had a style that nigga was wack when he first came out you new cats dont remember that but when first came out spitting like the fu-snikkens he was trying to find himself but the public didnt like him i remember that nigga at the roxys jay z got boooo..he was wack..then jazzy came along and he did that wack ass hawaii sofie shit ..then he was gone from the scene for a long time then biggie was making noise then jay z out nowhere came back but jay z didnt make a lot of noise at first cause niggas remember his wack ass then he came out spitting differently so they gave jay some play it was that time when mase ,biggie was making noise but then biggie died jay z tried to take new york but he couldnt cause even wack ass mase dissed jay z ..jay z couldnt take N.Y untill mase retired thats how wack jay z is that nigga copied everything what the hell skills that nigga jay got he stole everything didnt get big until biggie died and mase retired ..even guru dissed jay z from gangstar back in the days you cats dont even remember that shit ..this the same nigga that wore that shine suit ...anybody can spit like jayz theres no substance to his flow ..plus i told you niggas before jay z lost the battle get the fuck over it eveyone said it how can you talk shit when you lost the battle everyone on this forum has been dissing jay z but you fake niggas keep talking shit cause your little hero got destoyed by nas ..by the way why did jay z where that shine suit was he trying to be like MASE...I GUESS HE WANTED THAT COMERCIAL SUCCESS ..YO BIG POODLE WHEN YOU OR ANYBODY REPLY TO THIS EMAIL REMEMBER ITS A FACT ALREADY THAT JAY Z LOST AND TELL ME WHY YOUR NIGGA JAY WORE A SHINE SUIT WAS HE TRYING TO BE LIKE MASE ..TELL ME ASSHOLES WHY DID JAY Z WERE A SHINE SUIT ...A FUCKING SHINE SUIT DAM JAY Z ..YOUR CORNY AND WHY DID JAY Z FLOW LIKE THE FU SNIKKENS ....SO A WACK NIGGA THAT YOU DONT CONSIDER HOT BUT NAS DESTOYED JAY Z ..TALKING ABOUT NAS IS TRYING TO MAKE A COMEBACK YOU CRAZY CAUSE JAY Z RETIRED ..NIGGA JAY RETIRED CAUSE NAS DESTOYED HIS ASS IT BROKE HIS HEART..JAY Z COULDNT MAKE IT BIG UNTILL MASE AND BIGGIE WAS GONE THEN HE TRIED TO RIDE NAS DICK ..JAY Z IS WACK ..AND HE WORE A FUCKING SHINE SUIT ///HE LOST STUPID EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM SAID THAT SHIT ..

DAMN NEAR EVERYONE ON THIS BLOG IS A FUCKING IDIOT. JAY-Z NEVER BIT NAS EVER. HE QUOTES B.I.G. BECAUSE THAT WAS HIS HOMIE. NAS FRONTS LIKE HE WAS COOL WITH B.I.G. AND PAC BUT THEY BOTH HATED HIM. "YOUR REIGN ON THE TOP WAS SHORT LIKE LEPERCHAUNS..." B.I.G. WAS TALKING ABOUT NAS. 2PAC PUNKED NAS IN NEW YORK CITY BEFORE THE 1996 MTV AWARDS, JUST DAYS BEFORE HE GOT KILLED. AND SOMEBODY SAID JAY HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET ON A SONG WITH NAS SINCE DAY ONE, BULLSHIT. FIRST OF ALL THEY ALREADY DID A SONG TOGETHER CALLED "NO LOVE LOST" WITH LORD TARIQ AND SHAQUILLE O'NEAL, BUT IN THE END NAS' VERSE WAS SCRAPPED FOR THE ALBUM. SECONDLY NAS WAS THE ONE GOING ON THE RADIO SAYING HE WANTED TO DO AN ALBUM WITH JAY-Z ONLY A FEW MONTHS BACK, HOV DOESN'T NEED NAS. AS FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS OUT THERE SAYING HOV SOUNDS LIKE NAS YOU OBVIOUSLY NEVER HEARD ANY JAY-Z SONGS. JAY RIDES BEATS LIKE NOBODY ELSE, NAS SOUNDS THE SAME ON EVERY RECORD REGARDLESS OF THE BEAT. I AIN'T NEVER HEARD NAS TWIST LIKE JAY DID ON "IS THAT YOUR CHICK" HAVE YOU? JAY IS ALSO CONSISTENT WITH HIS SUBJECT MATTER, NAS CONTRADICTS HIMSELF MORE THAN ANYONE IN THE RAP GAME EVER. JAY MAY BE MATERIALISTIC, BUT YOU WOULD BE TOO IF YOU HAD LOOT LIKE HIM. NAS CAN'T RELATE HE WILL NEVER HAVE THAT STATUS. EVERYONE SAYINNG NAS WON THEIR BATTLE IS JUST PLAIN FUCKING STUPID. Y'ALL ARE COMPARING "ETHER" TO "SUPERUGLY" WHICH WAS JUST A FREESTYLE. "TAKEOVER" BLOWS "ETHER" AWAY "CAUSE YOU KNOW WHO, DID YOU KNOW WHAT WITH YOU KNOW WHO. WE'LL KEEP THAT BETWEEN ME AND YOU." THAT WAS REFERRING TO JAY-Z FUCKING NAS' BABY'S MOTHER. HOV WAS ALSO WORTH OVER $900,000 BEFORE HE EVER HAD A DISTRIBUTION DEAL FOR ROC-A-FELLA JUST FROM HUSTLING BLOW. HE SHOT HIS FIRST VIDEO FOR "AIN'T NO NIGGA" WITH FOXY BROWN IN MIAMI AND HAD A CAMEO FROM THE NOTORIOUS B.I.G. IN THAT BITCH WHICH HE PAYED FOR HIS-DAMN-SELF. NAS FRONTS LIKE HE'S A DON, BUT HE AIN'T SHIT. EVEN MOBB DEEP DON'T FUCK WITH NAS NO MORE. WHAT HAPPENED TO ILL WILL RECORDS? WHERE THE BRAVEHEARTS AT? EVERYONE NEEDS TO STOP HATING JAY-Z HE DON'T EVEN RAP NO MORE. THIS IS ASIDE THE POINT, BUT SOME RETARD SAID JAY-Z BIT JUELZ SANTANA AND THAT HAS TO BE THE STUPIDEST SHIT I'VE HEARD IN YEARS. JUELZ AND DIPSET ARE RAINBOW COLORED GARBAGE FRONTING LIKE THEY'RE BLOODS NOW. NEW YORK DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT NO GANGS. AS FOR FAT JOE HE USED TO SUBLIMINALLY DISS JAY-Z, NOW HE'S TRYING TO BE HIM AND REMY MA SOUNDS LIKE FOXY. TERROR SQUAD AIN'T SHIT WITHOUT BIG PUN (R.I.P.) OR CUBAN LINK. FAT JOE USED TO HAVE HIS OWN STYLE NOW HE'S DOING THAT SAME WHISPER SHIT JAY-Z, BEANIE SIGEL AND YOUNG CHRIS STARTED. HE SHOULDA STAYED GUTTER WITH THAT WHOLE D.I.T.C. CLICK INSTEAD OF DOING WHAT EVERYONE ELSE DO.

who wrote this got a point

first of all to say fat joe is biteing off jay z is insult to jay z even though jay z fell off he is to comercial and he and lost to nas 2nd let fat joe do his thing he ran a whole summer on lean back everybody was listening to that shit every club you went to or car you passed had that shit playing but fuck joe ...that nigga has been around too long just like jay z ,nas ,fat joe ,redman,keith murray ,snoop ...we need new shit ...cause thats what you niggas on this forum like you dont support artist anyway once that nigga falls off or is to oldschool you dissed them cause if iam not mistaken all you niggas was listening to ja-rule or mase etc. when he first came out look at DMX iam not surprised you niigas on this forum havent dissed him yet all you new school niggas dont support true hip hop out with the old in with new commercial shit ..as far as 50 ..honestly i think the money is going to his head unless someone kills him i can even bet everyone on this forum would start saying he is like pac if he died ..you guys are wishy washy and 50 realy cant spit just make your money and hope that 10 till fifteen years from now you still have your carrer and enougth money to support the lifestyle you live just like mike tyson ...cause remember you can go back to where you came from the hood ...but all the niggas on this forum anyway all you care about is those niggas making loot and the benz...you dont support any of the old school shit ..if that rapper aint making loot he is wack i promise you maybe 10years from now there will be homo thug niggas rapping making mad loot videos with two hood niggas feeling each other up .. making mad money and everyone on this forum whether there gay or not is going to love them cause there comercial and there making mad money cause you new school cats dont have any bounderies you allow any thing example nelly,chingy ,lil jon as long as the beat is fat with catchy hooks mark my words you will see homo thug niggas spitting soon so for all you niggas on this forum talking that shit about who cares as long as that nigga is making loot and is selling units dont talk shit when you have to dudes feeling eachother up on a video spitting dissing jay z ,nas or whatever cause its going to happen cause you niggas love that shock value and the nigga selling units and making mad money..theres a couple of cats on this forum that dont care about the substance just the catchy hook and how much money is made so for you cats that like that shit your not going to have a problem with homo thugs spitting rhymeing about why you like my nigga you niggas know who you are on this forum ..you wont have a problem with the next biggie or pac , jay z ,nas being a homo thug you have no bounderies what you cats try to say something about this ..cause you cant its going to happen mark my words ..me i would continue to listen to krs one ,nas,biggie ,big l all that old school shit with no catchy hooks ....you guys created a monster good luck all you new school cats ...enjoy your new shit ....remember this b-boy nigga from the bronx told you so where hip hop started the boogie down bronx..and by the way have fun with this one dont care what you niggas have to say cause you know its going to happen ...cause you guys allow any thing bieing eachother beats ,flows ..like i said if the cat is makeing money and selling units there will be a homo thug ..its a fucking shame //you guys fucked up hip hop ..stop supporting that fake shit ...you know who you are ...if not enjoy that next homo thug spitting ...that next jigga,nas,joe, etc ...

ALL YOU NIGGAS GET A FUCKIN LIFE...

NAS_DESTROYED_JAY_Z is an ass... Why did he wear a shine suit...i dunno how bout u ask urself why everyone started wearing button ups after jigga did it.....why everyone started wearing throwbacks after fab did it c'mon dumbass its a style a fad u wouldnt know anything about that cuz ur wack ass doesnt have a style or any brains for that matter u dont even know wear is spelled w-e-a-r and not w-h-e-r-e...next time u trying to diss someone be smart dumb ass trying to diss ppl and cant spell...haha nigga ur lame mase running new york shit the fuck up nas hasnt ran new york yet
and he never will want me tell u y cuz he is supremo SHIT..all his fake thug shit shut the fuck up dude...Tell nas save his bravehearted shit...Jay-z even fucked his girl carmen (his baby's momma) now tell me who lost the batle faggot

Wow. This board is just like the hip hop community - you got a lot of ignorant cats vs. a minority of people who are able to coherently get their point across. Now let me school some of you idiots who happen to hyprocites and don't even know it. Here we go:

1) Rappers are like everyone else - they contradict themselves. They all do it, no exceptions. In fact, Pac was the biggest walking contradiction in hip hop. The whole devil/angel persona was part of what made him so contradictory. He make incredibly insightful songs, but also made commercial shit like "how do you want it." So take the blinders off and recognize that your own favorite artist did the same shit that you're calling other artists out for.

2) Every artist has bitten from a prior artist to some extent. Yes, your cat did it too. It's the natural way of things. But there's a difference between taking bits and pieces of various people's styles vs. Joe Budden coppin Jay's entire persona. There's something disturbing about that.

3) Stop with the "so and so" only raps for money. They all rap for money, dumbasses. That's their job. Do you work for free? Didn't think so. So why would you expect an emcee to do any different? You don't think Nas would love to sell 3.5 mil on his next album? And stop saying Nas doesn't care about money as much as Jay-z. He tried to go commercial, but the material sucked and he was falling off the map, so he went back to his roots. It's that simple.

4) Stop saying "If Big or Pun or Pac (etc.) was alive they would blah blah blah." Well, they're not. They've been dead for a decade. It's one thing to pay respect, but get off of their dicks for crying out loud and let them R.I.P.

5) Nobody, and I mean nobody, can flow like Jay-z. Even Jay-z doesn't flow like Jay-z. His delivery is one of the most complex this world has ever seen. Ask any music producer who knows about hip hop and they will tell that his rhyme scheme is patently different from anybody elses out there. Contrary to popular opinion, I think his flow was much better that Eminem's in renegade. That first verse? Eminem himself said it was something he couldn't do. Jay subconsciously switches flows from the base to the snare to the hihat, and that's all within 48 bars. Nas' lyrics are more complex, but his flow is not.

6) My brother was an engineer for Sony at the 54th street studio in Manhattan, and has seen Jay-z, Nas, Mobb Deep and Mannie Fresh work. Now, he likes Nas better, but he told me Jay pure raw talent, and it make him a better artist than Nas. He... does...not...write. He unwrapped an album in one session. Can you even comprehend that? Do you know how much incredible ability that takes? Stop fucking with Jay. Listen to the following". Finally, Jay can do what no one else alive can do. He can rhyme over ANY beat. Check out the following
1) imaginary player
2) song cry
3) Lucifer
4) Hovi Baby
3) feeling it
4) politics as usual
5) Twenty two twos
6) Can I live
7) Dead Presidents
8) the watcher II
9) lyrical exercise
After you've actually "listened" to these songs, come back and post that Jigga is wack. Then I'll know for a fact that you're just hating for no good reason.

7) Finally, since you all ride rappers dicks so much, let's look at what they've said about Jay
a) Big said that there was no rapper he feared going against toe to toe except jay-z
b) Jada said you can't go to war agianst a cat like Jigga
c) Eminem said Jay's verses on renegade were better than his
d) Big L, Biggie, the Lox - all respected him and worked with him several times.

Stop fronting. Hold it down for six summers first, then you can talk.

After reading some of these comments, I feel that it is my duty to speak up. As a TRUE hip hop head, I feel that saying Jay-z/50/Nas or any other new school emcees are the greatest is disrespectful to the game. Just because you sell millions of records doesn't make you great, changing the game, crushing camps in emcee battles, ruining careers, being remembered 5 to 10 years after you stop recording, and being sampled by many is what makes you a true ICON in this game. KRS-ONE crushed many, LL crushed many, Kane, Run DMC, EMPD, School D, NWA, Too Short, BDP, and many many more have made their marks and are still holding it down. All they did was past the torch and the flame is slowly dying. Rappers are just that, rapper nothing more. EMCEEs control the stage, the mic, the culture. There are many great rappers in today's game, but not a lot of emcees out there holding it down. Check this out.... Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, AI are great individual players that play on sorry ass teams, just because they score 50 points a night does not make them great, their teams still suck. MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, Kareem and other are great and were part of great teams. They made EVERYONE around them better (ALL STARS) when they were no better than average. ICONS make marks, INDIVIDUALS make moments. Remember, Joe Montana won Super Bowls, but Dan Marion holds records.

Holla at cha boy.... Respect....

After reading some of these comments, I feel that it is my duty to speak up. As a TRUE hip hop head, I feel that saying Jay-z/50/Nas or any other new school emcees are the greatest is disrespectful to the game. Just because you sell millions of records doesn't make you great, changing the game, crushing camps in emcee battles, ruining careers, being remembered 5 to 10 years after you stop recording, and being sampled by many is what makes you a true ICON in this game. KRS-ONE crushed many, LL crushed many, Kane, Run DMC, EMPD, School D, NWA, Too Short, BDP, and many many more have made their marks and are still holding it down. All they did was past the torch and the flame is slowly dying. Rappers are just that, rapper nothing more. EMCEEs control the stage, the mic, the culture. There are many great rappers in today's game, but not a lot of emcees out there holding it down. Check this out.... Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, AI are great individual players that play on sorry ass teams, just because they score 50 points a night does not make them great, their teams still suck. MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, Kareem and other are great and were part of great teams. They made EVERYONE around them better (ALL STARS) when they were no better than average. ICONS make marks, INDIVIDUALS make moments. Remember, Joe Montana won Super Bowls, but Dan Marion holds records.

Holla at cha boy.... Respect....

After reading some of these comments, I feel that it is my duty to speak up. As a TRUE hip hop head, I feel that saying Jay-z/50/Nas or any other new school emcees are the greatest is disrespectful to the game. Just because you sell millions of records doesn't make you great, changing the game, crushing camps in emcee battles, ruining careers, being remembered 5 to 10 years after you stop recording, and being sampled by many is what makes you a true ICON in this game. KRS-ONE crushed many, LL crushed many, Kane, Run DMC, EMPD, School D, NWA, Too Short, BDP, and many many more have made their marks and are still holding it down. All they did was past the torch and the flame is slowly dying. Rappers are just that, rapper nothing more. EMCEEs control the stage, the mic, the culture. There are many great rappers in today's game, but not a lot of emcees out there holding it down. Check this out.... Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, AI are great individual players that play on sorry ass teams, just because they score 50 points a night does not make them great, their teams still suck. MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, Kareem and other are great and were part of great teams. They made EVERYONE around them better (ALL STARS) when they were no better than average. ICONS make marks, INDIVIDUALS make moments. Remember, Joe Montana won Super Bowls, but Dan Marion holds records.

Holla at cha boy.... Respect....

After reading some of these comments, I feel that it is my duty to speak up. As a TRUE hip hop head, I feel that saying Jay-z/50/Nas or any other new school emcees are the greatest is disrespectful to the game. Just because you sell millions of records doesn't make you great, changing the game, crushing camps in emcee battles, ruining careers, being remembered 5 to 10 years after you stop recording, and being sampled by many is what makes you a true ICON in this game. KRS-ONE crushed many, LL crushed many, Kane, Run DMC, EMPD, School D, NWA, Too Short, BDP, and many many more have made their marks and are still holding it down. All they did was past the torch and the flame is slowly dying. Rappers are just that, rapper nothing more. EMCEEs control the stage, the mic, the culture. There are many great rappers in today's game, but not a lot of emcees out there holding it down. Check this out.... Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, AI are great individual players that play on sorry ass teams, just because they score 50 points a night does not make them great, their teams still suck. MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, Kareem and other are great and were part of great teams. They made EVERYONE around them better (ALL STARS) when they were no better than average. ICONS make marks, INDIVIDUALS make moments. Remember, Joe Montana won Super Bowls, but Dan Marion holds records.

Holla at cha boy.... Respect....

After reading some of these comments, I feel that it is my duty to speak up. As a TRUE hip hop head, I feel that saying Jay-z/50/Nas or any other new school emcees are the greatest is disrespectful to the game. Just because you sell millions of records doesn't make you great, changing the game, crushing camps in emcee battles, ruining careers, being remembered 5 to 10 years after you stop recording, and being sampled by many is what makes you a true ICON in this game. KRS-ONE crushed many, LL crushed many, Kane, Run DMC, EMPD, School D, NWA, Too Short, BDP, and many many more have made their marks and are still holding it down. All they did was past the torch and the flame is slowly dying. Rappers are just that, rapper nothing more. EMCEEs control the stage, the mic, the culture. There are many great rappers in today's game, but not a lot of emcees out there holding it down. Check this out.... Lebron, Kobe, Shaq, AI are great individual players that play on sorry ass teams, just because they score 50 points a night does not make them great, their teams still suck. MJ, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Bill Russell, Dr. J, Kareem and other are great and were part of great teams. They made EVERYONE around them better (ALL STARS) when they were no better than average. ICONS make marks, INDIVIDUALS make moments. Remember, Joe Montana won Super Bowls, but Dan Marion holds records.

Holla at cha boy.... Respect....

DAMN!!!! and I'm a Jay Fan!!! I must say that you definitely dug up some shit. Makes you think......

However...it does show that you might just a WEEEEEEEE bit too much time on your hands there, bruh!!!!!

its not just this forum but many more no the facts regarding jay z

http://www.dipstickmagazine.com/smf/index.php?topic=898.new

dam first the fat boys breaks up then jay z bites lyrics from everyone including nas not just once but twice ..and lil wayne ..big jay fan this one is too much.

WHO RAN ALL THOSE SUMMERS NOT JAY Z ALL THE LYRICS HE BITE FROM DIFFERENT ARTIST RAN THAT SUMMER ..JAY Z IS A PHONY..SLICK RICK ,NAS,SNOOP ETC ..RAN THOSE SUMMERS ..WHERES ALL THOSE JAY Z FANS RIDEING HIS DICK WHERE U AT ? JAY Z FANSD COME OUT AND PLAY ..CANT DEAL WITH REALITY HUH ..SUCKAS..SOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS ..JAY COULD NEVER SPIT ..BUT HE CAN WRITE A CATCHY HOOK..STILL A FLOW ...AND HE IS THE BEST AT STEALING SOMEONES LINES ..SEE JAY Z FLOWS/FREESTYLES OFF THE TOP OF HIS DOOM BULLSHIT HE FLOWS OFF OTHER NIGGAS SHIT..LIKE NAS ,SLICK RICK ,LITTLE WAYNE ETC DAM..HE FELL OFF ..NAS DESTROYED HIM

Biggie - "Hypnotize"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"
Jigga - "Squeeze 1st"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"

Biggie - "The World Is Filled"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin will I f*&$ em will I diss em, that's what these h*& yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all still chase on, I'll replace on, punks Drunk of Dom"
Jay-Z - "Give It 2 Me"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin Will I f^%$# 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
Thou shalt not f%$# with or see Poppa feel a thosand deaths...
Jay-Z - "Squeeze 1st"
Thou shalt not f%$# with raw me, or he face a thousand deaths...

Biggie - "Unbelievable"
"Get ready to die, tell God I said hi And throw down some ice, for the nicest MC"
Jay-Z - "Friend or Foe 98"
"Do me a favor dude, get 2 ice cubes I pass them take that ice up, for the nicest MC"

Biggie - "Kick in The Door"
"Your reign on top was short than leprechauns"
Jay-Z - "The Ruler's Back"
"Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"
Jay-Z - "Girls...Remix"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"

Biggie - "Real N&^%s Do Real Things"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n&^%s do real things"
Jay-Z - "Real N&^%s"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n^%$ do real things"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
"Old school new school need to learn though I burn baby burn like Disco Inferno"
Jay-Z - "Frestyle"
"Old school, new school need to know this I burn like Left Eye Lisa Lopez"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"I don't chase em I replace em"
Jay - "Is That Yo B!tch"
"I don't chase em I duck em I replace em"

Big L - (on the 7 minute 95' freestyle with Jigga)
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"
Jay-z - "A Million and One Questions"
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"

Snoop Dogg - "What's My Name?"
"From the depths of the sea, back to the block Snoop Doggy Dogg, funky as the, the, The D.O.C went solo on that azz, but it´s still the same Long Beach is the spot where I served my cane ....What's my f%$# name" "He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim"
Jigga - "Jigga my n!gga"
"From the crap tables down in A.C. back on the block Jay-Z motherf%$# from the, the, the Roc went solo on that azz but it´s still the same Brooklyn be the place where I serve them thangs ....You heard the name" "He is I, and I am him Slim with the tilted brim on twenty inch rims"

Nas - "Verbal Intercourse"
"From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable Guns salute life, rapidly, that's the ritual"
Jay - "Never change"
"From the womb to the tomb, from now until my doom drink army from one cup pass it around the room, That's the ritual"

2pac - "My Ambitionz Az a Rydah"
"My attitude is f%$ it, and mothafukkas love it"
Jay-z "Blueprint 2"
"My attitude is ff%$ it, and mothaff%$ love it"

2pac - "Against All Odds"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"
Jay-z - "Blueprint 2"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"

Mase - "Lookin' at me"
"Why you over here looking at me, while my girl standing here"
Jay-z - ???
“Yall Look it Up" "Why you over here lookin at me, while all these girls up in here"

Biggie - "Big Poppa"
"I see some ladies tonight that should be having my baby.. baby."
Jay-Z - ???
"I see some ladies tonight that should be rollin wit Jay-Z, Jay-Z"

Biggie - "Be Happy" (R.Kelly ft. Biggie)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Cristie In The Fridge When You Get Home"
Jay-Z - "Best Of Both Worlds" (Jay-Z & R.Kelly)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Army In The Fridge When You Get Home"

Snoop Dogg - "Aint no Fun"
"Guess who's back in the mothaf%$# house with a fat d%$# for ya mothaff%$# mouth"
Jigga - "Ff%$# All Nite"
"Guess who's back in my motherf%$# house half black, half white chick, I call her Minnie Mouse"

Slick Rick - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's alot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Ricky D"
Jay-Z - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's a lot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Jay -Z"

Rakim - "No Competition"
"Competition is none, I remain at the top like the sun"
Jay-Z - "S. Carter"
"Competition is none, I remain at the op like the sun"

Cappadona - "Slang Editorial"
"I came to the fork in the road and went straight"
Jay-Z - "Renegades"
"I drove by the fork in the road and went straight"

Nas
"Seude timbs on my feet makes my cypher complete"
Jay-Z
"S.dots on my feet makes my cypher complete"

Lil Wayne
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"
Jay-Z
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"

2pac - "Against All Oddz"
Payback, I knew U b%$# n%$# from way back. witnessed me strapped with Macs, knew I wouldn't play that,"
Jigga - "Some People Hate"
N %$# This the Payback, I know U b%$# n%$# from way back. n%$# wanna clown but the pound it don't play that,"

Dr. Dre - "Chronic 2001 LP"
"You get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it"
Jay-Z - "Takeover"
"Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it

Posted by: tears at March 29, 2005 12:11 PM

Jay Z Biter or Writer Lyrics

Biggie - "Hypnotize"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"
Jigga - "Squeeze 1st"
"That's why I, squeeze first ask quesions last. That's how most of these so called gangstas pass"

Biggie - "The World Is Filled"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin will I f*&$ em will I diss em, that's what these h*& yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all still chase on, I'll replace on, punks Drunk of Dom"
Jay-Z - "Give It 2 Me"
"When the Remi's in the system, ain't no tellin Will I f^%$# 'em will I diss 'em, that's what they be yellin I'm a pimp by blood, not relation Y'all be chasin, I replace them, huh?
Drunk off Crist"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
Thou shalt not f%$# with or see Poppa feel a thosand deaths...
Jay-Z - "Squeeze 1st"
Thou shalt not f%$# with raw me, or he face a thousand deaths...

Biggie - "Unbelievable"
"Get ready to die, tell God I said hi And throw down some ice, for the nicest MC"
Jay-Z - "Friend or Foe 98"
"Do me a favor dude, get 2 ice cubes I pass them take that ice up, for the nicest MC"

Biggie - "Kick in The Door"
"Your reign on top was short than leprechauns"
Jay-Z - "The Ruler's Back"
"Your reign on the top was shorter than leprechauns"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"
Jay-Z - "Girls...Remix"
"isn't this great, my flight leaves at eight her flight lands at nine, my game just rewinds"

Biggie - "Real N&^%s Do Real Things"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n&^%s do real things"
Jay-Z - "Real N&^%s"
"On the road to riches and diamond rings real n^%$ do real things"

Biggie - "Who Shot Ya"
"Old school new school need to learn though I burn baby burn like Disco Inferno"
Jay-Z - "Frestyle"
"Old school, new school need to know this I burn like Left Eye Lisa Lopez"

Biggie - "One More Chance"
"I don't chase em I replace em"
Jay - "Is That Yo B!tch"
"I don't chase em I duck em I replace em"

Big L - (on the 7 minute 95' freestyle with Jigga)
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"
Jay-z - "A Million and One Questions"
"All I got for chicks is hard d%$# and bubble gum"

Snoop Dogg - "What's My Name?"
"From the depths of the sea, back to the block Snoop Doggy Dogg, funky as the, the, The D.O.C went solo on that azz, but it´s still the same Long Beach is the spot where I served my cane ....What's my f%$# name" "He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim"
Jigga - "Jigga my n!gga"
"From the crap tables down in A.C. back on the block Jay-Z motherf%$# from the, the, the Roc went solo on that azz but it´s still the same Brooklyn be the place where I serve them thangs ....You heard the name" "He is I, and I am him Slim with the tilted brim on twenty inch rims"

Nas - "Verbal Intercourse"
"From the womb to the tomb, presume the unpredictable Guns salute life, rapidly, that's the ritual"
Jay - "Never change"
"From the womb to the tomb, from now until my doom drink army from one cup pass it around the room, That's the ritual"

2pac - "My Ambitionz Az a Rydah"
"My attitude is f%$ it, and mothafukkas love it"
Jay-z "Blueprint 2"
"My attitude is ff%$ it, and mothaff%$ love it"

2pac - "Against All Odds"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"
Jay-z - "Blueprint 2"
"This is payback, i knew you bf%$ nf%$ from way back"

Mase - "Lookin' at me"
"Why you over here looking at me, while my girl standing here"
Jay-z - ???
“Yall Look it Up" "Why you over here lookin at me, while all these girls up in here"

Biggie - "Big Poppa"
"I see some ladies tonight that should be having my baby.. baby."
Jay-Z - ???
"I see some ladies tonight that should be rollin wit Jay-Z, Jay-Z"

Biggie - "Be Happy" (R.Kelly ft. Biggie)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Cristie In The Fridge When You Get Home"
Jay-Z - "Best Of Both Worlds" (Jay-Z & R.Kelly)
"Think About It While The Streets You Roam It's Don P And Army In The Fridge When You Get Home"

Snoop Dogg - "Aint no Fun"
"Guess who's back in the mothaf%$# house with a fat d%$# for ya mothaff%$# mouth"
Jigga - "Ff%$# All Nite"
"Guess who's back in my motherf%$# house half black, half white chick, I call her Minnie Mouse"

Slick Rick - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's alot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Ricky D"
Jay-Z - ???
"In these times, at least to me, there's a lot of rappers out there tryin to sound like Jay -Z"

Rakim - "No Competition"
"Competition is none, I remain at the top like the sun"
Jay-Z - "S. Carter"
"Competition is none, I remain at the op like the sun"

Cappadona - "Slang Editorial"
"I came to the fork in the road and went straight"
Jay-Z - "Renegades"
"I drove by the fork in the road and went straight"

Nas
"Seude timbs on my feet makes my cypher complete"
Jay-Z
"S.dots on my feet makes my cypher complete"

Lil Wayne
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"
Jay-Z
"Number one rapper, sipping mo mo's, dont make me come press ya with this fo fo"

2pac - "Against All Oddz"
Payback, I knew U b%$# n%$# from way back. witnessed me strapped with Macs, knew I wouldn't play that,"
Jigga - "Some People Hate"
N %$# This the Payback, I know U b%$# n%$# from way back. n%$# wanna clown but the pound it don't play that,"

Dr. Dre - "Chronic 2001 LP"
"You get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it"
Jay-Z - "Takeover"
"Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it

Ha ha ha ha ha! Gixxer Rida and bkay, y'all crack me up. let me give y'all a math lesson. I'm gonna make this real simple so you can follow along. Do you know what a bar is? Above you listed about 45 bars that jigga "bit" and you claim he doesn't write his own shit? Are you serious? let me school you:

The average hip hop song has fourty-eight bars excluding the chorus, unless there's an extended bridge like "in the club" where the second or third verse will be 8 - 12 bars.

Jigga has written over 180 songs (yes, that's 180), and that's NOT including underground mixtapes, collaborations and ghostwriting. That's about 8,054 bars. Add in all the colabs and mixtapes, and the number would be much higher.

Out of 8,054 bars, y'all bring up 45 that were "bitten". That's about .005% of his lyrics. What about the other 99.995%.

I tell you what. Find me another 8,000 bars that jigga bit and then we can talk. till then, do your homework before you try to school a nigga.

sorry precise give it up kid fuck bars or 180 songs jay z bite thats it iam a jay z fan to the heart this was a shock to me kid but nothing can explain this one at all plus he bite from the one cat i cant stand twice thats nas ..jay how can you diss NAS then still his flow and bite his fucking lyrics twice ..i have no respect for jay z this is wrong kid you cant explain it kid precise we need to stop lieing to ourseles its like trying to tell your wife your not fucking cheating around and your wife is there while your banging another bitch..fuck that yo jay z bite its simple kid to many artist yo lil wayne dam kid this shit hurts i cant believe it..yo for real kid ..yo i know mad cats that go the studio trying to get some air time i wouldnt be surprise if jay bite there as well ..dam precise yo need a new name cause that nigga who posted that shit gets a+ that shit was precise jay z bite on there homework yo was you even reading that shit kid all those niggas he bite from kid

thats all you got is a laugth and a math formula that doesnt work yo jay z bite nigga ..not just from biggie but mad cats ..what dont you understand stupid what the fuck stupid your like those politicians that gives you a percentage on how many african americans get a fair shot in america and bet the system they just give you figures that are not true nigga its plain and simple stupid every fucking forum not just this one hip hop talk radio stations /hip hop mags /rap artist say jay z bite what more do you need ..its a fact stupid opps i forgot you need to here from jay z mouth while he fucks you in the ass ..thats it this conversation is over RIP jay z no longer considered 10 best rappers not if he is biteing lyrics thats a no- no in hip hop ..precise dont write anything else on this forum you look real stupid giving precentages first read jay z bite ..stop crying bitch i know you love jay z go run to him and give him hug he needs it then suck his dick ..cause after reading that shit your still defending him..

Out of 8,054 bars, y'all bring up 45 that were "bitten". That's about .005% of his lyrics. What about the other 99.995%.

damn. yll serious about this one. Homeboy got a point about the percentage of lyrics. even jay haters gotta recognize that even if he bit that many times, it still pales in comparison to the lines he actually wrote, not too mention all the quotables. Maybe a jay fan could come and post some memorable jay lines that aren't bitte (challenge?). Nas and jay are different. It's like comparing apples and oranges. only argument is someone's opinion or personal preference. u can't coompare them. They do it differently. Jay came into the game to make more money than he was, and he did. To criticize hime for making money from what he does is dumb. he has always been a hustler, even now. he went down the path that every rapper wants to take. he came in the game to drop one albu, and made ten plus and like homeboy said over 180 songs. i have to play devils advocate because yall are blasting a dude that could be blazing a path for YOUR angry ass to come up in rap if u nice. can't u just respect the mans game? and believe it or not i am nas's biggest fan but i dont hate on hov for nas not selling as much as yall want. i dont care how much nas sells as long as he has enough to allow me to buy one copy that i need. yall marinate on that one.

Its funyn how nas fans say Jay-z is a biter and fake and blablabla so NAS will never do a track with him... ???
they've DONE a track together and have both said they're open to the idea of workin together sooooo SHUTUP, dam...u fake fans kno nothing
message from Jay-Z (yes, the G.O.A.T Jay-z):
"I put my hand on my heart, than mean that i feel ya
Real recognize real and u lookin familiar"

...the beef is over, relax, nas and Jay r cool, not best friends, but respect one another DO UR RESEARCH BITCHES (ooo nas nas nas...shutup and face facts)

Iam a big hip hop fan like both nas and jay but i feel jay more but just one problem i never knew how much jay bite it was crazy when i saw this on this forum for real ..who put this on the forum i want to look it up but i was reading the comments on this forum i have to admit to myself thats foul jay bite ..it was crazy ..how many brothers on this forum dont think jay bite ok he got the record sales and the summers but iam the biggest jay fan but this one took me for a loop not cause he bite just off biggie but other rappers as well not just once or twice but several times i know jay got mad songs but facts are facts jay bite theres no way me being a big jay fan and hip hop fan in general i love money too but i cant defend what jay did i know jay held his own after nas defeated him i would still listen to him but now when i listen to him iam always going to wonder if he bite that line that i cant defend as a hip hop fan yes jay made mad money he held summers down but if your a true hip hop fan you cant lie to yourself jay bite like crazy iam just wondering how many brothers on this forum dont agree that he bite keep in mind iam hip hop fan first then a jay fan 2nd ..and now i wonder it realy makes you think dam jay never wrote that shit i cant stand mase and he bite from him..i just want to know how can you defend that do you realy believe jay didnt bite ive read your explanation for jay biteing is his records sales but thats not good enough ..the fact is iam big jay fan and not no more cause he bite ..just tell me who on this forum doesnt think he bite ..it was kool when it was biggie but all those rappers thats too much

read this article from kool moe dee he even states nas got to jay z he even talks about the history of hip hop he even talks about 2pac and biteing and the read it if your a true hip hop fan

http://www.jayquan.com/moedee.htm

JayQuan : Peace , its an honor . Who was the first person you heard Emcee ; and what year did you start ?

Moe Dee : Dj Hollywood , actually Luv Bug Starski first , then Hollywood . And I started in 1977 .

JQ : What was the political climate on the Hip Hop scene before records were made ?

MD : My perspective is a lil different 'cus im from Manhattan . It was really crackin in the Bronx on a level that we didn't know about which is why we heard Luvbug first . Hollywood would come to the Appollo and Luvbug would come to the Renaissance on 137th & 7th ave. We heard them say slogans ; like the first time Flash & them came to the Audobon Ballroom we heard people yell " Zulu Gestapo " and we didnt know what it was . In Manhattan , and its true on some level till this day ; its a whole different mentality from the Bronx , Brooklyn & Queens , which I didnt know at the time - because you basically just know your neighborhood . The Nicky Barnes era was booming and just ending at the same time , and we were looking at the drug dealers on one hand ; but the music scene wasnt that prominent in Manhattan. We would get dressed up and go to the hotel Diplomat and parties were a version of the Dj/Emcee. It wasnt that political . Some of the free lunch programs were still goin' on - based on the last leg of the Black Panther Party . As far as Hip Hop Manhattan was after the Bronx . Brooklyn had Dj Flowers & people like that ; but we never went to Brooklyn , so we didnt hear about him until after the fact .

JQ : At the point between the Treacherous 3 forming and Sugarhill / Enjoy releasing records who did the T 3 see as a threat lyrically - specifically you , did anyone pose a threat to you ?

KMD : Nah , we didnt look at it as a threat at the time . A lot of that energy came from the Furious 5 , in fact they weren't even the Furious 5 yet . T3 didnt become a group until ' 78 and originally it was me L.A. & Spoonie G . Spoonie left because he made a record in ' 79 and I replaced him with Special K . K went to my school , I had already met him through the fast rhymes . So there was no atmosphere of threat , more trying to fit in & get a handle of what was going on . It really wasnt until ' 78 that Flash & The Furious 4 formed - Rahiem wasnt down yet . I remember when it was just the three Emcees and then Flash put Mr Ness down. I remember the night Flash premiered the backspin . That was when I knew that I was gonna take this seriously & do it for the rest of my life . Until that time I wrote rhymes , but it was more like Hollywood & Starski with the crowd participation and call & response. I wasnt really taking it seriously....they would bring music & set up in the park & I would get on and do a little something . But that night at the Audobon I went to see Starski...but they would double bill it - they had Flash from 10 - 12 and Starski from 12 - 2 ; then Flash from 2- 4 and Starski from 4 - 6 . At that time Starski was the headliner at the Audobon ; and the hottest thing as far as the club was concerned . He & Hollywood were the # 1 & 2 at the time . Until Flash came to Manhattan (this is some more friction between Manhattan & the Bronx) it wasn't that Flash wasnt valid ; but when he came it opened him up to the domination of the whole situation ' cuz we were still lookin at Starski & Hollywood as the top dogs . We heard about Flash and Herc but as far as New York went we didnt see them we didnt know what they were doing ; and nobody is rockin parties like Luvbug - so he is the top dog.

The Audobon was the first time you had the fusion of Manhattan comin to see Luvbug & Bronx comin to see Flash . I'll never forget Starski was about to get off and Creole was telling him to turn his music off - like arrogantly . He was like " its time for Grandmaster !! " . I was annoyed like who is this kid tellin Starski to get off - hes got a lot of nerve !! Finally Starski said arrogantly " we gonna take a break now , but we will be right back " - basically like we're just killin time 'cuz they're on the bill - makin a lil slap at them . I was in the front row and they turned the lights out . Creole starts this long intro over this echo chamber ...it was the first time i'd ever heard that . I call Creole the original hype man . Flavor Flav is the Grandson of him ( I do the blood line on Hip Hop ) . But he did the greatest show on Earth type of intro like aaaaarrrrreeee yyyooouuu rrreeaaddyyyyyy , and Flash dropped the bells - Mardis Gras . And in Manhattan we listened to Michael Jackson and whatever club record was out , and the Dj would rhyme over that . We didnt get into a lot of breaks besides Jam On The Groove , stuff like that . Starski had just finished doing a routine over a Michael Jackson beat , and when Flash threw on the bells ; the Bronx crowd knew what was up ; they went crazy , and the Manhattan crowd couldnt deny that somethin was happening that was different . I was shocked 'cuz not only did they intro Flash and he came in on beat , the spotlight hits Cowboy who was sittin in a chair , he just started spellin his name out....it was the hottest shit that i'd heard at that point. " The C-O-W-B-O-Y the man is bad , that you cant deny ". As simple as that was , nobody was doin it that way . Then he passed the mic to Mele Mel and it was the first time I heard metaphor . Mel did a metaphor & I said this is how I want to do this . Thats why I say that Melle Mel is the prototype of what everybody is doin today .

JQ : Its good to hear someone admit that . Most Emcees today respect Rakim , but Ra says that his style camefrom you & Mele Mel .

KMD : The blood line is Me , Mel & Caz - the trinity , then KRS One , Rakim & Kane then Biggie , Nas & Jay Z. Even further you can go Caz - Kane - Jay Z .....they all had street flavor ; then Mel - KRS - Biggie...they had the social thing (even Biggie with the story telling was social) , then the cerebral side was myself - Rakim - Nas . Then you have more levels - theres always 3 masters , a superstar & an underground . So for our era the super star was Kurtis Blow - me , Mel & Caz were the masters and Spoonie Gee was underground . The next tier is Rakim , Kane & KRS as the masters and LL Cool J is the superstar - the underground is T La Rock . Biggie, Nas and Jay Z are the masters - Tupac is the star ; and its funny because sometimes the superstar gets into a battle with the Emcee . I always said that Tupac was the bigger Emcee because of his stardom and diversity , but Biggie was the more pure Emcee. Also in Rakims era was Kool G Rap . But back to ' 77 ...it wasnt a climate of any real competition yet , until I started makin noise with the fast rhymes . The way the streets were then , people would get tapes or come see you , and the attention switched from the Dj to the Emcee ; people were comin' to hear the rhymes . Mele Mel was the first one to have that solid reputation...in fa