Mr. Irreverent

had he not come out the box w/ garbage like learn chinese and actually had a halfway decent album w/ some better swizz production, it woulda been good for hip-hop but BATTLE RAPPERS CANNOT MAKE SONGS!

fuck u, jin is a great mc no matter what u say, the rap game has lost one of its best due to the fact that we dont appreciate wats good, we only appreciate garbage like 50 cent.
this dude is one of the best battle rappers i can put my money on anyday anytime.
SO I REPEAT FUCK U FOR CALLING HIM MR. IRRELEVANT.

I think jin wasn't really really ready.he thought he had greatness on his fuckin lyrics that sounded like another rap version of vanilla ice n shit.there's a lot of dudes out there who ain't signed and need that jin's opportunity.let him go.we ain't gonna miss him.peace to my brothas in u.s.a africa is ours my black people.we watching ya'll

fuck your ignorant comment.

Jin is a real MC who came up battling, and I put down 1000$ on my own money that he could merk 90% of signed mc's out there.

Its just that mainstream America isn't ready for most non-black rappers, because lets face it...mainstream is about stereotypes and racism. The day that people can be more accepting and open-minded is the day a true lyricist like Jin can shine.

And if you actually bothered to listen to his album you would know that theres quite a few hot tracks on there.

its a damn shame that when u have so much talent that's out here and cant get a deal, and people get a chance and just give up, that tells me he didnt want it in the first place and should've let someone else with the desire and determination take his spot. jin had an oppourtunity and gave up, fuck thaat i would still be trying to get heard and capitalize on what i had been given. jin will regret this shit futher down the road when he's working at big lots for $7.00 hour....dumbass

"he would probably tried making Reggaeton records on his new album"

hahaha...dag.

Yeah, Jin seems like a cool guy, but his records were horrible. But selling 100,000 copies ain't bad if you're Balckalicious or Atmosphere. He should have slinked to the underground and ate off that circuit.

Jin is a pretty good m.c and I thought his single was somethin new and different.But hey,soundscan does not lie kid.He is far from wack but he did not have the right cats backin' him.But to this day that dude put asians on the map fa real.I mean this dude can pretty much be the flagship for his people tryin to get in tha game.No racism needed cuz fa real GOD gave talents to all of us men not some.
Peace my brovaz

How You Gon Say The Game And Young Jeezy and Cassidy...They Tight Fuck You if u Think They Should Retire

First of all, the writer of this is garbage. He/she can't even spell correctly or use correct fucking grammar. I don't know how you can say that Cassidy and the Game are garbage. Go listen to your hiphop again, you dumbfuck.

TRUE DAT YEH. I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK? ARE THESE DUDES GONNA LIVE IN THE PAST AND ONLY GIVE PROPS TO RAPPERS FROM THE LATE 80'S? CASSIDY AND THE GAME ARE TWO OF THE NICEST DUDES IN THE INDUSTRY. JIN WAS LIKE AN ASIAN EMINEM, BUT RUFF RYDERS DIDN'T GIVE HIM NO PROMOTION. AND WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO FIEND FORMERLY OF NO LIMIT? RR SUPPOSEDLY SIGNED HIM IN 2001.

How are yall gonna be complaining about how someone else could've used that opportunity? Are you retarded? You do realize he got that by holding down freestyle friday for 7 weeks don't you? It's not like it was a contest, it wasn't open to everybody.
Besides, at least Jin made it known that he was doin something. I mean, how many people can honestly say they knew Posta Boy put out an album? And whatever happened to Whyteout, Backland, Sincere, and the rest of the cats that won? At least he made his presence known. I think he should've challenged Cassidy to a battle, that would've been something to see/hear, and I think that would've built up his street hype perhaps a little more.

SOHH Irreverent:

Dogg, you need to stop writing right now. Your shit is wack, homeboy, I mean I'll admit Scarface and Yayo were aight, but you haven't even finished your "The Source: You Can't Handle The Truth" series yet. I think you need to focus, cuz half the people on here ain't feeling you. You're really not very funny, the "Senorita" jokes would have been a little humourous right after the song came out, but by now, they're played out, and so are you. For the love of God, man, find some new material.

First off, Jin was signed to Ruff Ryders BEFORE 106th & Park. They put him on there to win. It was a set up. Just like SunN.Y. Just like Ness from Bad Boy. For Jin to win 7 straight was great promotions - otherwise it would have been straight from left-field. However, it failed.

INDUSTRY Nigga!

You outside looking in.

What, Jin's not a real. You muthaphuckas have lost ya mind. Just because this Ni99a's not beefin' with nobody or whatever don't mean his shyte was garbage. Listen to his shyte. This ni99a's shyte will eat 50's shyte up in a minute. I think Jin needed to be with a lable who would promote him a lot better. Look what Dre' did for EM. I was thinking, "this white muthaphucka is another Vanilla shitty". I always knew about Em because that muthaphucka is really from St. Joe, Missouri A small hick town outta Kansas City. and back then I could have given two shytes about his ass until I heard what he was spittin. Plus this muthaphucka was getting hella airplay. But the way he was marketed made me go out and get his shyte. Ruff Ryders didn't give a damn about Jin. If I was Jin, I'd tell them to beso mi culo since Jin be rappin' about senoritas...That ni99a is a great MC, I just hope he don't really mean that shyte about giving up because of some lazy maphuckas he was with....

VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN, VIVA LA JIN,

TU BITCHES!!!!!!

Hopefully its all just a sham and publicity stunt...I have a feeling he might pull a MJ and come back.

On a more serious note though, Jin really isn't that bad of a rapper...

If you watched his latest 50,000$ Puerto Rico battle against Shellz, Jae Millz, and Wrek...dude has got talent for sho. He just needs more cats to give him a chance.

I don't think anybody is denying the fact that Jin has talent.

No matter how dope a battle MC is whether they from Harlem To Houston; reality is: there ain't too many people who want to go one-on-one with Jin.
i.e. Shellz, Jae Millz.

Regardless of race, Jin is another battle rapper that couldn't make an album.
i.e. Canibus, Mad Skillz

If Jin wasn't dissin someone, his songs were garbage
i.e. "Senorita", "Learn Chinese"

On the bright side, thankfully Jin is not blaming his management and label for his flop because nobody put a gun to his head to sign with Ruff Ryders.
i.e. Canibus (Refugee Records)

However if Jin feels he's satisfied after one terrible album and only 100, 000 is sales (Yes, I did listen to his album. And I never will again) than it's his choice.

I don't like sales to be the determining factor on whether or not an album is good or not but the buzz on Jin was ridiculous. So if Jin had a half assed decent song, his numbers would have been a lot better.

Personally I don't think his fans were loyal, I think if anything 100, 000 people were curious after his showing on BET.

But I will leave on a positive note.

His mixtape with DJ L was hot..So if you want to remember Jin listen to that.

Too bad the nigga just didn't know how to write a song.

the thing is nobody gives a fuck about lyrics no more. all anybody wants is a beat and a hook. game's how we do was terrible lyrically, but had a beat and a hook a 2 year old could remember. his songs like dreams have lyrics that really mean something and are great but you dont hear it in a fuckin club.whoever said shit about game or cassidy is an industry bitch. fuckin hater.

Irreverent

I think rap lost some raw talent with Jin bowing out. The dude is ferocious and his flow is always on point.

Not only that, most of his quality material never made his album. He used to have an unofficial message board (holla-front.com) where he would post freestyles and shit. The dude was illy.

But I think Jin got frustrated with a rap game that wasn't really wanting to see him. 4 years of hard work, his dream coming true, and all he's got is 100k units sold ($10,000 profit to him).

I'd be pissed too.

first off, ruff ryders r garbage anyway. there promotion is shitty as well as there compilations. no albums as promised from infra-red & cross, parle, larsiny, and yea what did happen to fiend? but anyway, the only reason they dropped Jin's record is cuz they figured all the 106 fans would flock to the stores since the previous freestyle friday retirees hadnt dropped shit.

"senorita", "get your handz off", and that kanye track were all hot to me, but the ruff ryder camp wasnt the place for Jin. history shows that battle rappers can't craft "songs". thats y 50 is so successful. hell nah he aint a lyricist, but he's an excellent hook writer and knows how to get spins.

had Jin been on Full Surface and gotten the same treatment as Cass, everyone woulda been on his nuts. its a shame cuz what about the next chinese, or asian rapper in general who tries to drop an album? ppl are gonna be like "look what happened to Jin."

instead of just fading away, he gave us a proper farewell w/ "I Quit" and you gotta respect that.

Fuck Jin, that damn gook couldnt rap his way out of an egg roll, winning 106th & Park is for thundercats that think that Bow Wow is old school not real hip hop heads.

Further, cuz you can rhyme in a cypher doesn't mean you can make hot records that resonate with the masses. Headz wasnt fucking with Jin, cuz he was corny. Learn Chinese, miss a nigga with dat shit.

Eveytime a corny white, latin and now asian rapper doesnt make it, they cry reverse racism. Get it right you faggots, white jews run the labels not blacks you fucking idiots.

Jin was corny--end of story

Jin is a cool emcee in a fucked up situation (I.E new employee of a once great but failing company.) I mean be serious! when was the last time you really bought a good RR album?... MMMMMMMMM... (Flesh of my Flesh, Blood of My Blood) Alright then!

If Jin was really serious, he would get a new manager, lawyer, and business partner and go Indie. Out of that 100 thou and change he sold he should be able to get at least half if not more and get some chips out of it. Just look at Hieroglyphics, Def Jux, Eastern Confrence, Mystic Journeymen, etc. and see what im talking about.

There is room for every one to eat...

"Chinese Canibus" hahaha good one. but i dont think it's all Jin's fault. Double R never really gav a shit about Jin. The promotion of Jin himself and his album was absolutely disgraceful.

Every week Jin was doin performances in clubs. No serious MC's do that shit (esp for $15 entry). you dont see Cassidy, TI or any of those young rappers doin club performances. but i guess Jin did it for the $$$ (can't blame the guy.)
another problem was Jin didnt appeal much to the non-asian peeps. yeh all the asians cats out there loved his stuff. Other ppl thought yeh he aight but nothing special.

but that guy does have talent. you might not make the records but he can freestyle. haters even have to give him that!

" He should have slinked to the underground and ate off that circuit".

This is interesting because i was telling somebody this same shit yesterday. If i was Jin I would've dropped off of Ruff Ryders created my own little 12"s got hot production from some of the hot underground talent thats out there and killed college radio the mainstream doesn't really appreciate his shit but i think the underground and college radio would embrace him.

Let me tell you people why Jin's album doesn't sell! The majority of the consumers in this market are white kids and they only wanna see rappers like 50cent who talks about shooting and robbing people in his own community because most of the white people still stereo-type black people and wanna portray them as thugs and drug-dealers! Most of the white kids who listen to rap do not want to hear a Chinese guy rapping (they only wanna see Chinese people as kung-fu fighters or a nerd like William Hung)...most of them also don't wanna hear good MCs who talk about social problems ( such as Mos Def, Talib Kweli, the Roots). That's why rappers like 50cent sold more albums than any other rappers in this country...To sum up, the reason Jin quits has nothing to do with black people, it has nothing to do with reverse racism or the hip-hop community. After all, white people are the ones who control these major labels...In fact, I don't feel sorry for Jin because I know he's well respected in his community, but I feel very sad about how these white people still try to stereo-type both black people and Asian people in today's society!!!

your god damn right! so all you emcees, rappers, sogwriters out there better shape up because your all doin this shit for is the white people. quit lyin to yoursleves

pac said it best
"whitemanzworld"

jesus, whoever posted that last comment is a sad sad hip hop fan. it aint about race or topics its about promotion. theres millions of rappers sayin the same exact shit 50 is, they just arnt sellin cause they arnt gettin promoted. you jackass!

There is a combination of things that has f'''d up his chances to succeed. He was not promoted enough- Wrong label- RR has not put any good shit out in quite some time.
His A&R was an idiot- there is just too many good concepts that you can create to make him have a bigger buzz in the industry.
Most importantly he did not have the hunger or desire- he just started- wha t the fuck- did he think he was going to get a grammy!
This is what happens when you do not pay dues or have a label that is willing to market you music correctly!(or can afford to market you correctly) He should have probably gone with the Roc in there hayday he would have been better off! or Def jam in general!

jin . .. is the most respected mc's in our area,, its ashame that he's leaving the game and hanging up his mic.. but this dude is one of the greatest. his punch lines.. his personality his, ego. jin.. i am one of his biggest fans. thanks for putting us asians on the map.

" no matter what color your are, if you can spit. you can spit."
- eminem

jin you are a role model no matter what you do kid . .

The way I see it.. Jin was a half-assed song writer.. period. He just needs to take his time in writing it. I mean, I'm telling you.. he battled SICK for real. But, after all that shit was said and done.. he wasn't no songwriter.. he was just a battle rapper. Maybe he should use some of his battle rap material, mix it up, and throw it in a song. Experiment a little bit. But, he didn't. He just bowed out. Many people put in a lot more than just FOUR years of hard work, ladies and fellas. I've been on the grind for 4 years and going.. no deal yet. Not even an indy deal. It takes a lot more than 4 years to get into that level of business.

But, if Jin wants to pursue other things.. he will. He made mad bank off 2 Fast 2 Furious. Maybe he should go into acting. Whatever his heart desires.. but, he shouldn't be called garbage.

I interviewed Jin twice for my website Thabiz.com. I think Jin is the victim of a failing label (when was the last time Ruff Ryders had a hit, certainly not with Drag-On's Hell and Back), and marketing people who don't know how to pick singles. My 2 & 3 year old LOVE "Senorita." That is when I knew it was trouble. It was so poppy and bubblegum it would be a much better fit for someone like Baby Bash who is Hispanic and makes those fruity songs. I for one LIKED Jin's album, my favorite song was "I Gotta A Love."

On another note, I don't know what was the whole point of Jin coming out and announcing his retirement after one album. So far it seems that every rapper that announces their retirement (Ma$e, Master P (How many albums has he released since The Last Don?), and Jay-Z (its only a matter of time), has come back.

Additionally, most of these rappers have reached a pinnacle of success at the time they announce their retirement. Jin's announcment is premature because if his album moved 100,000 units, and with all the rumors swirling, it mimght come across that the industry retired him and he is just announcing it first to save face.

Jin has an enourmous fan base and I think he is talented and if he wants to keep doing music he should keep doing music. I am an author and I don't give a crap what critics say as long as my readers are pleased, so if he were in an independent situation where he didn't have to worry about units and letting people pick his singles, perhaps he would do better.

Do yall really think he is retiring for good? Hell no!!!!He may go try to do the acting thing for a while, but c'mon, how many rappers can you name who have quit and come right back! He just wants to end the bad direction he is moving in right now musically, I can't blame him for that, but trust me you will see more Jin records!

Remember:
Ma$e
Jay-Z
Dr. Dre
Master P

it's all bullshit, it just makes people fiend for more material, smart move since there are so many idiots out there who believe anything.

I will never retire:
http://www.soundclick.com/whiterussian

First off, you can't base a good rapper/MC off of record sales. In that case Chingy is better then Jadakiss (and we all know that shit is far from true). So that whole 100,000 units sold is irreverant. Like one of the writers said promotion is key and RR has been known not to promote their artists. Cause if they did Jada would easily have sold 3 million. Jin is better then a lot of mc's in the game right now lyrically, but his downfall is that he can't make a song. The only thing people that buy albums listen to is the beat and the hook. They can care less about the 16 bars in between that (and thats sad that hip hop has turned into that). I think if you dropped the beat and the hook and let him flow for 16,32, or 48 bars, he would murder the whole G-Unit click, Chingy, and alot of other whack ass rappers. I don't think he should just give up, but if his heart just isn't into it, let him be.

His career is better off in the mixtape circuit.

i honestly don't think Jin's inability to be successful in the rap game was due to his race. What it comes down to is there's one bottom line in the industry, If you make good music you will stay in the game. For example we all seen R. Kelly pee on a 14 year old and now he's bak on top. Or an even better example, Andre 3000. WE all claim we love him because he's so original but when he first started dressing funny everyone was like yo is he on crack? But his music has been consistently bangin therefore we were forced to accept Andre 3000 with all his wierdness in the same way we took bak R. Kelly with all his pedophilia. So anyways bringing the comment full circle bak to Jin. Had he been able to get in the studio and make good quality music (commercial or not) he would have had a more hard core following. I mean Dip Set always took a back seat to other artists when they were on Rocafella, but they still hav a hard core following amongst a certain group cuz they music is hot. So I feel like if Jin was able to hop in the studio and do two things" 1)choose better beats and 2) write better songs (not necessarily commerical songs, just better songs.; then he would not only be in the game but he would be the chinese eminem where people would say yea he's chinese but he's dope. When Em first came in the game he wasn't a chick magnet n thugs wuzn't like "wow I can really identify with him". There really was no pre-dertimined fan base that he was targeting however he was able to carve out a fan base because he (let's all say it together now) MADE GOOD MUSIC. i think in the case of Jin if he werked wit different producers and let someone help him with song concepts then he could still be on like a cassidy level in the game. Swizz beats is a great producer but he is not the "cater to you" type of producer. He makes beats and then u need to do sumthin wit em as opposed to Pharrel who meets you, sees what you're style is and then makes the beat specifically for you. Pharrel's style varies to the point where he has made beats for justin timberlake and at the same time has made beats for Nore and the the clips. if u hear the beats he's made for them, they don't even sound like they were made by the same person cuz he catered the beats to each artists. Whereas when u hear any rapper that is flowing on a swizz beat u will kno that's a swizz beat ryte away regardless of the rapper because swizz doesn't seem like he caters to people as much as pharrel. That's not a knock on swizz or a compliment to pharrel, it's just more of an observation. My point in sayin that is that Jin needs producers that will cater more to his style and message than swizz and the ruff ryders. If he gets taht and someone who is willing to say "no jin this trak isn't good enuff you need to make it better or scrap it" as oppossed to the the ruff ryder who foolishly let him make "learn chinese" his first single then I think he can still be successful in this game.

Jin talked mad shit like alotta these rappers, he won the battles and has talent but he was so gimmicked-out with that learn chinese and popculture fast and furious 2 shit. hes like that skit "tank" on mad tv almost.
after not selling records he could of slunked to the underground and been like alotta rappers living a lie. i respect jin for not fronting like it was all good, he wasnt rich or on his way to being anytime soon which is what he really wanted clearly so hes a quitter but for good reason was he gonna be keep making "im the greatest" records or "race your car to this" records-i mean he had no direction. how u gonna get down with Ruff Ryders and Swizz and Neo Just Blaze hot producers and still bail out. like he says in the song clearly it wasnt meant to be. and for yall postin these "id bet a 1000 on him" comments thats great save that for the battles but it takes more to develop a career today and have longetivity that goes beyond the cypher. especially when u run your mouth like jin with no real message except party buy my cd and asian girls are hot

all u wanna be rap music critics need to do your research. then u will realise that SWISS BEATS DID NOT PRODUCE ANY TRACKS FOR JINS DEBUT ALBUM. JOHNNY get your facts right jin is the greatest "ASIAN" mc to mainstream. you asshole. if he wasnt asian wud he still be your favourite mc..........I DIDNT THINK SO!!!! that is fact not opinion.

now this is my opinon. u niggas have to stop comparing jin 2 canibus. canibus is on immortal techniques level. and jin is a dude that can freestyle and battle very good. but i regret buyin his album cuz it didnt cater 4 me.
dont feel sorry 4 jin cuz if you go number 1 in china and japan you are gonna be a very rich person. trust me. the world is his oyster he can do what he wants. but jin if your readin this plz dont re-release "LEARN CHINESE". holla bk my negros

Aight, This Is Real. I Went To School With Jin In NMB (North Miami Beach). We Use 2 Go Freestyle Afterschool Killin Everyone The Block. Don't Get It Twisted, Jin Worked Hard 2 Get Where He's At. I Mean He's The Type Of Kid That Worked 2 Perfection. Kid Always Had The Freshest Clothes, Hottest Kicks And All. lol, Even When He Was Dead Broke He Was Always How U "See" Him Now. Flashy. But Whatever He Put His Mind To He Does It And That's What Makes Him Different Than Most. Bottom Line. O, By The Way, I Was Reading Earlier Where Someone Said He Was Signed To RR Prior To 106 & Park; Nope, Ur Wrong. But Whatever. Anyway I Talked 2 Him A Couple Times After His Signing And He Was Sayin That They Weren't Helping Him At All. He Was Actually Gonna Try 2 Get With Bad Boy. But That's Neither Here Nor There; Leave The Kid Alone He Did His Thing And He's Out. U Kno, The Reason He Dropped Senorita And Learn Chinese Is Cause He Was Thinkin Commercial. I'm Not Gonna Lie, Those Songs Were BULLSHIT. When I First Heard Learn Chinese I Called Him Up And Was Like, "What Are U Doin?" This Is The Thing, Jin Can't Win. If He Dropped Some "Real" Music Everyone Would Say He's Like Common, Talib, Or Mos. When He Drops That Commercial Music Expecting To Sell It's Not Up 2 Par And He Fails Again. Real Shit, I Didn't Even Know His Album Dropped Until I Was Reading The BestBuy Sales Paper And We've Been Cool Since Highschool, Isn't That Some Shit. Look At Memphis Bleek, Been In The Game For Like 10 Years And He's Still Str8 Garbage But He Sells Cause He Has Rocafella Backing Him. Ruff Ryders Fucked Jin Up And That's It. If He Feels Like Movies Are His Thing And He Can Put Food On The Table For His Fam, Then It's All Good. I Kno If That Were Me I Would Do The Same Damn Thing.
Peace

My Fault, Put The Wrong Email Addy On Last Post

yo i admit this dude jin is wacc wit song making but from wut i hear his freestyles are wild. i dont think he should quit because thats weak for someone to just quit it takes time to learn song composition he should just work at it more, it would be more benficial than quittin. he dont understand he bout to go down in history as a quitter an im not certain but in his culture aint dishonorable to be a quitter? dude need to just fall bacc for a minute an get his mind right and comebacc later with better songs period.

I DON'T KNOW WHY PEOPLE HAVE SUCH A PROBLEM WITH A CHINESE DUDE MAKING A SONG CALLED "SENORITA." JIN IS FROM MIAMI AND MIAMI IS FULL OF FINE ASS BORIQUAS.

man fuck yall who all hating on jin, if you hear his shit and what the verse he be saying . . its gonna be like whoa wait a minuite did he just say that." i still dont get why these mother fuckaz out here always wanna talk shit cause they aint blowing up. at first i respected your opinions,, but now you guys are talking mad shit.. JIN if you reading this right hea . . .keeep ya head up kid . . fuck these hataz . . im still bumpin ya shit best belive homie...

A man who is ready to accept defeat and move on to the next level in is life is better than one who wants to keep flogging a dead horse. Jin is not quitting because he failed, he is quitting because the industry failed. Now that hip hop is no longer a culture but an industry, its hard pleasing the joneses. Why do u think people still hate on Nas till this day? The guy lost his way when he decided to go commercial and the streets never really forgave him for that, but the guy found his way by doing what he knew best. I believe this is the time Jin finds his way. So all you haters, get a life. Let the boy be.

Please research the artist that you critize prior to your comments. The GAME deserves respect. He hasn't even shown the world his finest. Wait and See. "First they hate you, then they love you, then they hate you again."

u people are all sick man, i mean it's his life so let jin be. and checkin' y'all out i noticed most of u are critics and even worse - haters. nigga did what he felt he had to do and that's it...and until such a time he decides otherwise accept it. and oh by the way the game is a far better rhyme-spitter than fiddy'll ever be.

if jin hadve been on another label with more focus hed be doin wel .rr are fucked if dey hadve marketed d lox better deyd b on top of d game right now not like dis muthafuckin faggot ass nigger 50. keepin it reel for the dublin ireland crew .

Jin is a piece of shit.I'm not a racist but how da hell dis chinese ass rice eatin mudaphucka get a damn deal.He was alright battle rappin but dude dis ain't battle rappin.

This convo has inspired me to pull out my Jin CD. I like it. "Senorita" is hot, but remember I am a chick that likes to dance, I still listen to the Spice Girls. I like that song! I still love #7, "Gotta Love,"

Dear Jin,
You can make songs for us ladies everyday,I like the song after "Senorita" about the interacial relationship.

Jin is talented. I like the whole CD.

I gotta say though, that video was not the greatest "Senorita." However, I only saw it once or twice though.

You know back on "Senorita," I think a lot of the general public buzz was like "First Speak Chinese, now Senorita...why is the Chinese guy courting the latin chicks" im for real Im an old music critic and I heard several people comment on that...I don't know maybe they didn't consider his Miami connections.

http://www.thabiz.com

Dorrie,

In the greater scheme of things - YOUR OPINION DON'T COUNT. Don't come in here talking about The Spice Girls.

Now go make me some pie.

yo i think jin is one of the best battlers in the world if you ever saw frestyle friday hge killed all the niggaz dat stood in front of him. so you cant say he sucks at rhyming but when it comes to making songs he rapped about what he knew and the things he knew where chinese and some puerto rican mamies. so if you mad about jin rappin about senorita dont get mad cause he got mo pussy than u ever got in you life u probably still a virgin nigga

yo i think jin is one of the best battlers in the world if you ever saw freestyle friday he killed all the niggaz dat stood in front of him. so you cant say he sucks at rhyming but when it comes to making songs he rapped about what he knew and the things he knew where chinese and some puerto rican mamies. so if you mad about jin rappin about senorita dont get mad cause he got mo pussy than u ever got in you life u probably still a virgin nigga

You know what nobody is gonna really miss Jin. It's not like he made an impact in the Hip Hop world. I mean yeah he was the first Chinese cat in da scene but dat's about it. He's a good battle rapper but it don't mean he got what it takes to make an album. Everytime I used to see the Learn Chinese video I wanted to pick up the phone and order some pork fried rice and chicken wings. If Ruff Ryders wanted to sign anyone from 106 & Park they should've signed NOVA! He would've done damage. One!!!!!

Dolla Bill:

I can't believe you just said that. Jin has definitely made an impact on hip hop, although it may not be quite so visible yet. Look at it this way, I really doubt that Eminem would be what he is today if it wasn't for doo's like Mc Serch, and Red Hot Lover Tone, who aren't very well remembered by most people. Mc Serch forced people to look past Vanilla Ice to actually take white mc's seriously, even though he only put one album out. Jin has definitely opened doors for Asians to enter into this rap shit, its gonna really start to show in a few years, I got 5 on it.

NAHLEGE SORRY TO DO IT TO YOU AGAIN, BUT RED HOT LOVER TONE IS A BLACK DUDE NOT A WHITE GUY. YOU PROBABLY MEAN R.A. THE RUGGED MAN.

I'll say this:
Allow me to break down the following situations and bring them to a parallel about JIN that ties it all together nicely.

a]Mad Skillz (ne' "Skillz")
b]Canibus
c]Posta Boy
d]Shells
e]Invincible/Jean Grae
f]J.U.I.C.E.
g]Eminem

a]Ridiculous talent...but basically regulated to doing the 2002, 2003, 04 2004 "Rap Up" on Mixtapes at the end of the year...People anticipate him doing that much more than they ever anticipate him doing a CLASSIC ALBUM. Go figure. And he had "TIMBALAND"(s) stamp and "STILL" couldnt make it happen.
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b]Universal Records gave him two chances. He blew it twice. He found a winning combination of WINNING BEATS to compliment his flow with STEVE STOUPE of JEDI MIND TRICKS("Rip The Jacker"-2004)....and decided to PART WAYS WITH THEM ON HIS OWN!
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c]Killed everybody on 106 & Park...and only has an appearence on Nelly's "The Derrty Remixes" album to show for it! ("AND") he got the same MANAGEMENT as "Ma$e" and "Nelly"!
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d]still sitting over at J Records. Doing nothing whatsoever after winning the BLAZE battle and others.
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e]they called Invincible "FEMINEM"...a white female version of MOS DEF, and we already know how dope JEAN GRAE is.
But will either of them "EVER" sell 250,000 copies??? Probably not.
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f]J.U.I.C.E. destroyed Eminem...and he's regulated to releasing INDIES in Chicago...which brings me to my GREATEST POINT
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g]Eminem is basically an underground, battle rapper like everyone else I mentioned beforehand....but the TWO COMMODITIES he has???
#1-he's "WHITE"! (that's marketable)
#2-he has "THE MACHINE" (Jimmy Iovine/Interscope/Dr. DRE)

Point taken? As long as you have a "Gimmick" to lure people in...? Outstanding Production....? And then the absolute MONSTER JAUGGERNAUT of a marketing machine like INTERSCOPE?....

You go from underground rapper to "50 MILLION UNITS SOLD WORLDWIDE" since 1999.

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First off fuck the dumbass who wrote this article. You're an idiot. Jin is tight and DID work hard. Is it his fault those idiots over at Ruff Ryders didnt help him with promoting and didnt back him up. And fuck the rest of you haters too. You all really think he's done? haha. Hopefully he ends up at a better record label

"Regardless of race, Jin is another battle rapper that couldn't make an album.
i.e. Canibus, Mad Skillz"

Supernatural
J.U.I.C.E.

The list goes on and on. However, I don't blame these MCs for not having their lyrical skills translate to an LP format. I blame the A&R departments, or lack thereof, because these MCs are just that, MCs - and they're not singlehandedly responsible for creating a total package or all the music on an album.

And I think Jin is a victim of this. Him being Chinese could've been a cool addition to his total package, but it didn't work out that way, did it?

Arsinist: Was he really? Damn, I'm not doin so hot lately. Then who was the other white guy on MC Serch's Back To The Grill?

Jin definitely doesnt suck as an mc. he is nice on the mic. Although his failure could be based on the record label, at the end of the day, he controls his destiny himself. So if he thinks retiring after one album is the best thing to do, then thats his problem. i guess he expects the world to be handed to him on a silver platter at once. Hasnt he heard of the word "grind"? nothing comes easy. So Jin is just a talented mc that does not deserve the spotlight cos he is not ready for it.

Jin definitely doesnt suck as an mc. he is nice on the mic. Although his failure could be based on the record label, at the end of the day, he controls his destiny himself. So if he thinks retiring after one album is the best thing to do, then thats his problem. i guess he expects the world to be handed to him on a silver platter at once. Hasnt he heard of the word "grind"? nothing comes easy. So Jin is just a talented mc that does not deserve the spotlight cos he is not ready for it.

wtf is so nice about cassidy. He think he rakim, but he is not saying anything but mad punchlines. Saigon would eat all these clown niggas.

OKAY OKAY OKAY, I SPENT 20 MINS READING ALL THESE BLOGS AND I GUESS WE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT JIN IS NICE, BUT NOT VERSATILE, HE SHOULDNT GIVE UP BUT HEY HE'S A GROWN ASS MAN, LET HIM LIVE WIT HIS DECISION, VIOLIN MUSIC PLAYING COOL LET IT GO, BUT UM TALKING BOUT NIGGAS THAT NEED TO BLOW, WHAT HAPPENED TO REIGNMAN?????!!!! THAT NIGGA WAS NICCCCEEEEE, DID U HEAR HIM BATTLE WRECKONIZE FOR THE ROCAFELLA DEAL?
"QUITE CLEAR, IM YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE/
WITH THE THIINGY I TURN INTO CHINGY AND PUT IT RIGHT THURRR/"
WHOOOO
TALKIN BOUT THAT, WHAT ABOUT THAT DUDE THAT BATTLED WRECKONIZE FOR THE TITLE, DUDE THAT HAD THAT OLD ASS SWEATER?
HE LOST FOR REASONS I CANT FATHOM, BUT HE MOS DEFINITELY SHOULD BLOW
" IMA GIVE IT TO U HARDER THAN JAY DID NAS'S BABY MOTHER"

WwhhHHHHOOOOO!!!
U KNOW WHAT ? I GOT REIGNMAN OR THE SWEATER DUDE DEMOLISHING JIN'S OR 30% OF OTHER RAPPERS CAREERS, I MEAN, OF U CAN BATTLE A BLIND NIGGA AND WIN??? SHIIIIIT, WHAT CANT U DO

p-Gambit: I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I think I agree. How about Backland too? Big homie held it down on 106, and I think if he battled Jin, then that'd be some shit to see. I think he signed to so so def, didn't he? Cuz he was with Bonecrusher's crew in the Neva Scared Takeover Remix video. Of course, Game was in the Dipset crowd in that video too, so I could be wrong.

You know who can really write songs. Chamillionaire. That muthafucker is primed to blow. And also look out for this cat who fuckin goes to Yale and is nice as fuck; calls himself enigmatic. He rolls with this crew called 108 tongues. This cat is the FUTURE.

I actually bought the album, the best song was probably "Learn Chinese". Overall it was average at best. And Canibus is a LOT better than Jin.

You are all foolish arguing over this when you have no idea how the industry works. Jin isn't the first or the last to have his dreams shattered like this. With 20/20 hindsight he should of stuck with The Plauge and make more music with them taking the underground route, but he had a chance and he took it, it is not his fault he got fucked by the label...

i'll admit beating them niggas on Park ain't shit and getting beaten by that cat from the MTV emcee comp ain't much to talk about either, i'll be damned if i ever talk shit about a cat thats better than me.all you hater[or in this case, racist] faggots out here need to to learn a lesson in heirarchy. i'll be damned if that man didn't earn his spot at RR. u know half the niggas out rite now don't deserve a damn thing now as much as they did when they was hustling. anybody on swisha house is garbage, bad boy is garbage, roc is no more, but when it was still in action, it wasn't shit to listen to. jigga done gone crazy calling himself god and fuckin with linkin park.what about the guys who deserve it and are neva gonna get it. u niggas need to learn to be humble, cuz none uv y'all is shit. -nahlij

Its funny how you want to throw the Game in the mix with a guy like Gin. All you East Coast bias assholes can kiss my ass. The Game is the shit , funny that he getting hated on now because 50cent and him have problems. Thats just goes to show you how bitch made all you East Coast journalists are, good thing 50cent didnt tell you to like Vanilla Ice I dont think we could handel Ice Ice baby in rotation again on the radio.

Jin is the best battle rapper. Hes killing cassidy son.

First of all jin sux I'm glad he's gone.He had a bunch of clever insults,thats it, so what.And on 106 we were fascinated because those insults came from a chinese guy,so what.All the people he beat were trash anyway.Battling doesn't make you a great rapper or a real mc.It just means you can come up with clever insults sometimes off the top of your head.That's all jin had. He was not as good as canibus,em,talib,chino xl,pun, g rapp or any of those dudes.Honestly, face to face on 106 jin most likely would have beat pac so does that make him better than pac? fuck no! He might have beat jay or big but does that matter? hell no! Those battle rappers are like watching the harlem globetrotters, it takes an unbelievable amount of skill and talent to do, they are fun to watch,but in the end we want to see the heat play the pistons not that cartoon shit.Finally you look at at cats like em or cassidy most people didn't know they were battle rappers until their songs (GOOD SONG MAKING)got them famous.

he'll be back. i know that for sure. dont worry boys. he'll come back and he'll have all these industry fools eating shit outta his hand.

Jin Sucks... don't try and help the gook out hes trash. He cant ryhme and his songs sre WEAK!!! Who cares hes gone cuz I think no one actually does. Too Bad though cuz I can never get back any moments of my life that he took away from me for listening to his glad bag rap. Fuck em.

Jin is probably the best Mc of all time. He is truly better than Jay-z and Eminem combined. Holla Back>.

It's bad enough his album was below average, but quitting is a coward move. Jin I curse you for wussing out when things get bad, when they get bad you change and evolve.

PEACE

You see, this is exactly why the masses hate crictics...because hating ass individuals who's lives have no significance what so ever , have nothing us better to do than hate on other people that ARE making moves! Im not speaking on you hating on JIN but talking sh*t about THE GAME?! Where in the fu*k did that come from?! The WEST is finally making moves again, getting respect again, moving units again and now we got this guy HATING! My theory is...before you talk sh*t on anyone, make sure your game exceeds or AT LEAST is up to par what the next cat is doing before you look like a BITCH just running your mouth!! You seen the video from the cat that thought he was cool trying to run up on stage and post hard with the WEST, right??? In the famous words of YOUR king of N.Y. Young Hov..."Grow Up, You need hug! We dont give a fuck about what y'all ni99as is doing, Please, Please just let us do our thing"...STOP HATING ON THE WEST!!!

DJ Definit
Los Angeles

Yea whoever said that young Jeezy and Gucci mane should quit like jin is fucking right

Jin more like Gin. This cat was weak as hell to begin with. Freestyle Friday Champ, more like Freestyle Friday Bust. When I saw his first video I damn near died. What the fuck was Ruff Ryder thinking when they signed this nigga. How the fuck you gone end something that was never started to begin with. It took guts to admit that he (Jin) was trash and walk away. I dont think anyone would miss this clown ass fool. On the real Freestyle Friday aint nothing but a waste of air time anyway. Dont nobody blow up from that shit anyway. Look at Poster Boy. Where the fuck is he. What about that fat ass biggie lookin muthafucka. Yeah they was on tv, but where are they now. On the corner talkn about how they almost got signed and shit. Man fuck Jin and all the rest of them bitches.

I give jin mad props for winning the 106 and park shit. Niggaz talk bout how that means nothin. Lets see how many you niggaz can go out there and do it. I don't think anyone can question his ability to battle rap. But everyone's right tho at the end of the day, his album didn't live up to the hype but why quit? 4 years aint shit. Remember twista, he had no notoriety until 10 yrs after he came out, then he blew. That type of shit happens when you get on the grind and work harder. I lose more respect for him when he gave up.

Whoever that bitch was that called Jin a gook should burn in hell. You racist son of a bitch, why is your white sheet wearin-ass even on this website? Its obvious you're white because no self-respecting black man would call an asian man that. I swear to God, if I knew who you were I'd make you understand the wrath of a "gook".

Moving on, everyone who says freestyle friday isn't shit, needs to look at it different way. Although the battles may not be all that good, those cats got the balls to get up there and do that. If any one of you have ever been on Freestyle Friday, then speak up, but I doubt it.

Jin's freestyles on various radio stations are hot. I listen in awe to the way this man is obviously making up shit rather than coming in and adjusting the tempo of their pre-writtens to match the DJ's impromtpu beats. Jin is tight. I know it was not his choice to make the type of music that made the edit on his album. He is quitting because things are nothing like he envisioned after 4 years. There is always pressure from peers, family, and one's own soul to find another way to express oneself. This is Jin deciding to do just that. He will find another way to be himself, w/o pressure from industry cats who want to capitalize on him. Good luck Jin.

To tell the trujin was strightforeal i meanlook ruffryders had the best line up at one time i mean look they ad dmx,the lox,cassidy,jin,drag-on, jus stright spitters jae hood man they could of been hot but no prmotion thats why they lost everybody

WHat tha FUCK!!! you said Cassidy, game and young jeezy should listen to the "I quit" instrumental. your fucking crazy dogg. cassidy can rip anybody in a freestyle. game is what the fucking game needs. and young jeezy well he's "SO ICYYYYYYYY!!!"

Jin isn't anything but shit.

FUK U BIATCH!!!!! U CAN SUK ON MY BIG BALLS!!!! JUS COS U AINT RDY 4 DA LYRICS JIN SAYS!! JIN WUD KILL U IN A FREESTYLE BATTLE! U CUDNT DO SHIT U FUKIN CUNT!

Aight, I read like 60% of these replys and I think alot of y'all are ignorant or just straight up stupid.

G-Unit/Game fans are soft. If you insult G-Unit or Game, then they cry and try and diss you.

"Album sales don't make you the minority, it only means you sold out to the white majority." -KRS-One

No offence, but if you seriously think G-Unit is hood, how come 50 doesn't stay there....or atleast go there. No hardened street kid is going to listen to some candy-coated club music. Only people that relate are 15-25 year old white girls or white boys who don't listen to the song, they just listen to the beat.

Jin is an amazing battle MC. Unlike most of the 106 Hall of Famers, Jin actually freestyled. Everything off the top. Backland and Nova were most likely pre-written. If they weren't, they were still generic disses that could be said to anyone.

When Jin battled Sterling, Jin played off his name with cheap jewelry. When he battled the guy from brooklyn, Jin played off that and said Biggie would be ashamed of him. I'm not sure, but wasn't Fatman Scoop a guest in Jins first battle, and Jin tossed out a line about him too?

I smell haters, because if you don't like Jin explain why. Don't just serve hate like fast food. I know Jins album was horrible, but artists record hundreds of songs and in the end, its the label who decides whats marketable. I guarentee there is some good songs (to everyone who thinks he can't make a good song). Maybe its because his label would'nt let him.

Right now wouldn't look to good for him to come back, because he retired at a low point. Most athletes, rappers, and entertainers in general retire after they have gone for awhile and have made some good acheivements and are ready to leave. Jin just left because he "quit."

Jin shouldn't have quit, because some people don't have a good rookie season but have an outstanding sophmore one. (like Kobe Bryant). Jin should've just acknoledged his album, and then do something different fo his next.

Aight, i'm tired of these bullshit niggaz running their mouths like they're on tracks. Spitting IRRELEVENT playa_hating fucked up stories like:" JIN ain't no real MC, JIN is Mr. Irrevent" Y don't you b Relevent and say something better instead of scretching your ballz all day thinking of something Useless to say.

Fuck, Leave the KID alone and mind Yourz.

I'm not a Jin fan but I appreciate the effort!

Fuck All the Haters!

South Africa Wassup!

JIN AM FEELING YOU.KEEP DOING YOUR THING SON.NO COMMENTS, BUT TELL ME WHO IS THE BEST FREESTYLE KING

...AND then you get comments like:" Jin isn't anything but shit" sent by isabelle.

Bitch, I guess that explains Why you here, you shit. "

As for the mssg sent on june 1st from "nobody". I respect your comments man, after all, Jin is only 106 times much more creative than you. You Dump Racist Fuck. The world could progress quicker without ppl like you hogging the atmosphere.

"Big_UP" to everybody who came up with constructive criticism.

P.S: If I didn't mention you and you happened to have spit something Of "Opposite Relevence" to what I'm saying, FUCK YOU!!! HOLLA BACK

K>G: South Africa

fuck this pretty good shit, he was the best shit.

mr irrelivant got shit twisted, and shuved in his ass~

he was the nicest, go back to youre fuckin krunk shit, and the music that doesnt do a god damn thing but give you a head ache.~
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you guys is fuckin anoying..
imma make you open minded when i crack youre head with the damn shovel imma bury you in..

sick of this trash you talk,
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fuck JOo DOOD
i dont wanna rip on black people in general
and this mr irrelivant fuckk with his haters
shouldnt rip on asian people in general.. with jin
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hatin -.-

Jin is da shit no doubt he came out there in da industry freestylin form 106 to becoming a a respected rapper. Jin just need to release decent tunes dat people would actually relate and listen to 'learn chinese' is garbage and 'senorita' is hyped i guess

ur a fucking idiot jin is chinesse god

I think Jin is great especially at freestylin and i think his track featurin kanye west 'gotta love ' is really good.
If the American society aint ready for chinese rappers then I think its about time they heard some of the UK's top hiphop/rap artists from the underground like Skinnyman and Chester P/TaskForce,Lethal Bizzle ,Dizzee Rascal,Taz,Klasnekoff

Jin we gotcho back. Keep coming with your ill shit. Start again... we got u boi

yo jin is ill, mad respect, and come back with more ill shit son

CASS DID JIN.

GGGGG UNOT

man all you ppl suc man jin is tight yo. ever since he made tha song chinese it was sick. and jin good thing you win all those battles cuz they wurr funny ass hell well hope you do well foo.

damn nigga. you fuckin suck. jin is the shit. i think he's one of the best people i kno and you should go fuck yourslef for bitchin at him like that and you kno what if you hate him so much why you payin so much attention to him about retiring?

I met jin in nyc a couple weeks ago and he was a cool guy. I think he just needed to find his niche more on his 2nd album. his 1st one was good, but not great. some nice beats some bad ones. if he stuck with it and perseveared he could have been great.
i wish he didnt qui so early into his game. should have at least put out another album to see where it went. its always dark before dawn.

Jin is the man, just because his album isn't doing so good, does not mean he's crap...
His freetyle were the bomb and each rap had different lines that roused the crowd, he has mad talent and a lot of potential if he puts his taelnts to focus...

Your just star stuck, poof be gone, his backs against the wall so should he run and flee hell no hear my plee. Jin I love you man you know the outcome never doubt son. You will always have your place in history boy I love your shit and I always will you shone the light and it shines brightly now and forever. Love colour, peace from your Maori senorita.

Maybe what made Em so popular with his best stuff (first couple albums) was that brilliant funny spark that suffused even his most vicious work.. Jin is/was just too flat footed serious a student of the rap school to be considered an innovator. Jin never once made me laugh. He always seemed to be preaching "I am a real rapper, yall". The fact that his vocals even mimic Em's sound drive home the point of his lesser position, smaller penis, and I think Jin is painfully aware that he doesn't possess Em's vision, penis, and never will.

i think jin should do a whole album with hilary duff or lindsay lohan it would change his carrer for the best

Yo, Jin may have had potential, but he did himself in by chasing the money instead of letting it chase him. Because of that simple fact, he sold out his people with that gay ass song, Learn Chinese. I mean, what a fukin disgrace. For those select few who banked money off of Jin, props, cuz y'all took a semi talented chinaman and worked his ass like whitey did his ancestors on the rail road...at the end, y'all eatin' steak, while he's eatin rice.

A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from them, and strong enough to correct them.

jessica simpson lyrics at http://www.lyricshosting.com/artists/10/jessica_simpson/

MaN FUCK U JIN IS A ILL ASs LYRICIST MAYBE NOT GOOD WIT a SONG BUT DONT BE FRONTIN CUZ HE AINT GOT NO HOT SHIT ON HIS ALBUM CUZ HE GOT FLOWS AD U NO DAT HOMIE CUZ IF U TOSS HOMIE A MIC HE'LL KILL I BET 90% OF MCS OUT THERE NO MATTER WHAT U SAY LIKE IT OR NOT JIN HAS ONE OF THE HARDEST FLOWS EVER HEARD, HOMIES JUST HATIN CUZ HE'S ASIAN U IS A DUMBASS MOTHA FUCkA IF U TALK DOWN ON JIN CUZ GIV HIM A BEAT AND A MIC HE'LL SLICE YO ASS UP ON WAX LIKE HE DID ON 106 BITCH.

yo i just want to say jin sucks. he makes me want to kill asians