Media Chin-Check

I would assume (and hope) that this is a bullshit idea put forward by some people at the label trying to make an extra buck, but come on... the only people who would pay this money would be little kids who don't know any better. Stop taking advantage of kids on the internet. Btw, Kanye's album is great, but I miss the days when he wasn't on the cover of every magazine and couldn't charge money for people to talk about him.

kanye's on that teen fanbase hustle

Wow, I thought this was a joke... but it's for real.. LOL!!

I love Kanye's music, but his dumb shit is starting to annoy me lately.

^^^^Wow who is going to fall for that chain letter scam? Why would kanye make his fans pay? I like his cd but he is starting to get annoying with all his complaints about the media and the fact that he thinks he is the biggest person on earth. Kanye the fans are the reason for your fame. Shouldn't you give something back???

he would make them pay because that's what they do in fan clubs. if you're gonna be a part of just about any fan club, you have to pay. it's been that was since forever and people join b/c it gets them just a step closer to learning more and hearing sanitized news/updates about celebrities they like. they get stuff like autographs, concert news and discounts on merchandise. if you don't like it, just don't join.

FLUCKKKKKK KANYE WEST, HE A B!TCH ASS MOTHERFUKERR, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT WHOLE BUSH DONT CARE ABOUT BLACK PPL, COME ON NOW, GET OVER THAT WHOLE SHIT, STOP TRYIN 2 USE RACIAL EXCUSES, CAUSE THE BOTTOM LINE IS BUSH DONT CARE ABOUT ANYBODY, BLACK, WHITE, ASIAN, ETCCCCCC, I WOULDNT BUY HIS ALBUM N I SURE AINT PAYIN FOR NO BLOGGGG

WHY DOES EVERYONE LIKE THE KANYE ALBUM IT SUCKS. NO GAME VERSE. MY BOY LIED TO ME SO THATS WHY I POSTED IT WAS ON THERE. BUT FOR REAL THE ALBUM SOUNDS LIKE SOME BAD PARLOR MUSIC FROM THE 70'S.

Kanye is the illest beat maker in the game right now... fuck a fan club though... i aint female and i ain't 13...

For those of you who dont like it then dont talk about it- unless your trying to make him more famous; Like I always said " Talk about me, make me famous"
He is trying to make more money to give back down the road...,,,, why am I writing this?????

Peace.

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Thank You and Good Night

Kanye is a fuckin idiot. The more I see him, the more I think he's fag.

Jay Thugz I bet you that if it was 50 you'll be totally satisfied. All of that he's this and he is that is your opinion. This brother spoke for a lot of people. He put his career on the line to say what he said and what entertainer you know that would have the balls to entertain the idea of speaking their mind while the whole world is watching. He had everything to lose and nothing to gain but the respect of real people. If you wasn't able to see racism being displayed through the whole ordeal that the people of Katrina were going through then you need to get your head out of Masta'a ass and stop being IGNORANT! By the way Kanye's album is nice but if you prefer bubble gum rap then you can slide over to any member fron G-Unit. So what if Game's verse isn't on the album.,it doesn't make the album anymore tight than what it is. Damn the haters Kanye., I keep my right fist up even in my sleep. One Love! Peace To Man, Woman, and Child!

kayne it's alright to have your own opnion every one does keep on staying strong black brotha!!!

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first kanye says da president doesn't care bout black people, now it's clear kanye doesn't either chargin his fans to join a club. hypocite!

Greg your comments are not valid. He gave and he will continue to give so what about you?

^^^my comments are valid. and whatever little means kanye has, he can't help the people more than the president can. kanye's chargin' people to get in his fan club, to get back the money he gave for hurricane relief.

Haha hey yo lewis watup, I remember you from the other blog. Anyways that blog shit is ridiculous, its a marketing scam.

And by the way, as a black person right now I'm gonna say this:

I'm a democrat, I'm Afro-American, and I think George Bush is one of the most incompotent monkey ass fool leaders. BUT I do not think he's a racist, and I have alot of reasons for that. To say he's racist just cuz he's a southern white boy is stupid shit.

That being said, I also gotta say I'm dissapointed with virtually every fuckin' brother in the industry. Fuckin' hova spends 2 mill on beyonce's bday gift, cheap ass bitch pledges only 500K for his own people up in katrina........diddy.....500 K....fuckin eminem who's supposed to have love for our pple, pledges a pathetic 200,000.....that bitch makes 200 grand in a week. And i haven't even heard jack shit from anyone in G-Unit, or Dre, Lil Jon, Usher, all these guys.... and if they have given, i guarantee you its little shit amounts like eminem, 200K. Its seroiusly pathetic man, the white people like Mike Dell and Bill Gates and Clinton are doin a hell of alot more for blacks than our own people. I find that pathetic man. Really pathetic.

PS: Hey "FUCK GAME" , since you are so knowledgable....how much has kanye actually DONATED from his own bank account? lmao

here is a free blog for you...kanye u fuckin suck

First of all, I want to say how tired i am of hearing this is all about race. It is pure ignorence. people knew years ago what could happen if they chose to stay. true that the majority that were there during the storm were poor. but like i said.. they knew the possability of disaster years earlier. i agree that bush should have steped up long before he did but pulling the race card is bull shit. kanye, they are OUR people. all of the people that choose to shout RACE need to think about this. BET, UNITED NEGRO COLLEGE FUND, MISS BLACK AMERICA, NAACP. If white people had WET(white entertainement television) White boy colledge fund, miss white america, and NAAWP, what would the black community think about that!!! By the way, I am a 28 year old american indian. And if anyone in the USA should pull a race card, it should be me. The fact is black people dont care about black people. tell me, how hungry and thirsty do you have to be to rape a child? how many meals can you make from a cd player? did they steal all of that bush light because it had some water in it? if the majority of a city is black how many news stories are you going to see on white people? OUR PEOPLE should have pulled together to help one another. people should take responsibility for their actions only cowards try to blame someone else. i feel so much pain and sorrow for all of MY PEOPLE that lost their lives and loved ones. and for MY PEOPLE who are suffering through all of this. and finally, where are jesse and al? sleeping sound in their big warm beds in their prodominently WHITE neighborhoods.

Don't listen to jay, christy, that's a white racist trying to be Black and Indian. I can see thru that devil like an open window. Kanye, Jigga, Diddy, Jamie fox and other Blacks celebs are not only donating, they're making up an organization to help OUR people in a crisis like this(since nobody else will). We already know red cross will keep the majority of the money that has been donated. Just like they kept most of the money donated to the 9/11 victims. The fact is, White people are mad because the truth about them has come out and the whole world knows it. Even George Bush admitted the delay in New Orleans was because of RACISM. When racism STOPS, the RACE CARD will STOP. Put your money where your mouth is white people. Stop racism and I guarantee, you will no longer see or hear the RACE CARD. White people care more about animals than they do their own people(or any other people). I saw some white katrina victims on TV worried more about their lost pets, than, their lost children. Now, that is just plain SICK.

Let's not forget, white people are going to hate on Kanye, for telling the truth on national TV. So, don't listen to the BS they say about Kanye. The whites are mad, because, they have been exposed as the devil to the whole world and their rule over the world is about to come to an end. The Lord is about to punish them for the crimes they commited in the past and present against GODS people.

racism is when you discriminate against someone because of a difference between you ron, so you are a racist....i see many more racial remarks from black people than from white, so wake up and quit listening to that fool jesse jackson and start taking responsibility for the shit in your lives

yes its me again, the american indian that you say is white. and i have this to say, the only way that the race card will stop being played is when white people are in the fields picking cotton. the shit happened so many years ago and yet ignorent people like you who by the way were never a slave, want to run your mouths about " well my great, great, great, great, great grandgather was a slave so the world owes me everything. get off your ass and get it yourself. hell my ancestors were done dirty also but im not sitting here waiting on someone to give me somthing. i am a minority. i live in a little town in tennessee. I graduated and got a pretty good job here. i didnt go to college simply because i did not want to. but hey, i can just blame it all on the white devil. say that it is the white devil that has heild me back all this time. if you only knew how stupid that shit sounds. it is because of ignorent people like you that race will always be an issue. you are so quick to judge another race. wake up. i have three children and i do not teach them race or color. they only know everyone as a person. the same as them. it a shame that your children will teach them to judge by color. now who is racist.

Hahahaha mannnnn ron, in plain terms, you're a whack ass nigger in the sense that our grandparents would use the word. I'm a black kid that actually recognizes right from wrong, and people as human beings. You're one of them sad ass niggers stuck in the age of "lets take shit ova brothas". Wake up you fool, you talk about racism yet your comments are more racist and predjudice than half the shit the motha fuckin klan spews.
And no nigga, the black pple aint been giving SHIT for our people, check the stats you fuckin moron.

Ah yes I struck a nerve. The truth hurts doesn't it. Hahahahahahaha. "Get over it" is a typical response from racist whites. Isn't it funny how whites, want you to forget the crimes they do, however, whites, never forget the crimes other races do. The fake white jews, NEVER, forget about the holocaust and whites feel, that, they(fake white jews) are justified in not forgetting about it. They don't tell the fake white jews to "get over it" or "forget about it". However, when blacks, don't forget about RACISM(which is a crime whites still commit to this day), whites tell us to, "get over it" or "forget about it". FUCK YOU DEVIL. We will NEVER forget the crimes you have committed against us in the past and the crimes you still are committing against us today. And the Lord didn't forget either. That is why he is going to punish and destroy the white race and any uncle toms that support the white race. It's funny how whites always try to get us to believe statistics, made by "white people". Nice try, dude. But, it's not going to fly. Hahahaha. White people, it is just easier to prepare for the punishment you are going to receive from the LORD. Resistance is futile. Lay down your weapons and accept your punishment from the Lord. There is nothing you can do about it. YOU will be Punished and Destroyed by the Lord. Hahaha.

When whites stop RACISM, then, the RACE CARD will stop being used.

And stop trying to act as if you are an Indian in one message and then a Black uncle tom in another message. We see you devil, so give up. Hahahaha. You are just up to your old racist tricks. You whites used to do radio shows like "Amos and Andy" and made your voice sound as if you were black. Al Jolsen used to dress up in Black face to act Black. And here it is in 2005, YOU are on this thread trying to act Black in one message and acting like an Indian in another message. You are an internet "minstrel show", Hahahaha. YOU just proved whites are still racist to this day. Hahahaha. Now, put that on your statistics. Hahahaha

And stop trying to act as if you are an Indian in one message and then a Black uncle tom in another message. We see you devil, so give up. Hahahaha. You are just up to your old racist tricks. You whites used to do radio shows like "Amos and Andy" and made your voice sound as if you were black. Al Jolsen used to dress up in Black face to act Black. And here it is in 2005, YOU are on this thread trying to act Black in one message and acting like an Indian in another message. You are an internet "minstrel show", Hahahaha. YOU just proved whites are still racist to this day. Hahahaha. Now, put that on your statistics. Hahahaha

Racism really means, to OPRESS another race. Black people don't have the power to OPRESS any other race, so Blacks Can't be racist. Blacks can be prejudice, BUT NOT RACIST. There is a difference. Prejudice, is when you don't LIKE someone or something, because of the way it looks or it's color. Prejudice, does NOT mean, you OPRESS another race, because of it's color, like whites have and still are doing to this day.

you are one ignorant son of a bitch...let me ask you something, have you ever been owned, ever picked cotton? hell no, you are free and always will be. i've never owned a slave nor would i ever condone it. but i will tell you this, the only thing oppressing the black race is ignorant sons of bitches like you spewing your racial shit. you should be locked up, not because your black, but because you are cleary too stupid to grace society. i wish someone would take you to NO and hand your dumbass a DVD player in front of a cop

anyone that agrees with me can let ron know by emailing him at rons an idiot@dumbfuck.com

Ah yes I struck a nerve, the TRUTH hurts..AWW...HAHAHAHHA. I am free because I know the TRUTH. You are just mad because you know your people are going to be destroyed by the LORD for the crimes both you and your ancestors commited. And there is nothing you can do about it. Don't get mad at me, I didn't create the bible. I'm just the messenger. Take it up with GOD. Devil, you have been exposed to the world, just as it was prophesized in the bible. HAHAHAHA

When whites stop RACISM, there will be no more RACE CARD.

no point in even trying with this dumb ass fuck, im ashamed hes part of my race. And i bet you christy is laffin her ass off cuz this crazy ass fool thinks we're the same person.

You a sad ass bitch, and if you ever wanna come up over to New Jersey i'll be glad to whoop ur ass and show you how a real black person demonstrates pride and good.......by accepting others and not spewing that bullshit fool.

And by the way, ignoramus, my stats are more reliable than your sad ass ranting corpse. You so fuckin stupid I wouldnt mind if you were pickin cotton, its probably the only thing you're good for, stop downgrading the educated black man.

And by the way, predjudice is the seed of racism you sad ass fuck.

I speak the TRUTH and YOU say I'm an ignorant son of a bitch. That statement, YOU made, is plain IGNORANT. YOU are an ignorant Devil, like the rest of your people and I can't wait until the LORD destroys you. HAHAHAHA

Ah yes, It's the Devil playing, Jay, a Black Uncle Tom, now. And he's making internet threats. He is gangster, like the mafia now. Hahahahaha. We see you devil, You are a white person acting like a black uncle tom. You ignorant, internet "minstrel show", you. Shame on You and any other fool who believes you. Oh yeah and put that on the "white man's stats". Death to America.. HAHAHAHAHA

Racism really means, to OPRESS another race. Black people don't have the power to OPRESS any other race, so Blacks Can't be racist. Blacks can be prejudice, BUT NOT RACIST. There is a difference. Prejudice, is when you don't LIKE someone or something, because of the way it looks or it's color. Prejudice, does NOT mean, you OPRESS another race, because of it's color, like whites have and still are doing to this day

White people any country and strip it for every resource it has and they never get punished; They steal from Africa every day and nobody says shit about it.

Europeans people didn't get rich magically or because they worked hard.... They steal, steal, steal, steal and steal. That's how they've survived for so long.

Baby Zimbabwe, you speak the truth.

thank you jay, i dont feel the need in saying anything else to ron. he is hopeless.being proud of your race is one thing. using it to blame others is wrong. but then again..ignorance is bliss

why is it that when a black man is educated and has money he is considered an uncle tom. but if he has money and is still ignorant than he is staying true to his race? what are you saying about the black race when you call a successful and educated black man an uncle tom? do you think that all black men should be poor and uneducated?

As expected, our favorite Devil or ignorant internet "minstrel show", if you will, is back as an uncle tom Indian, named Christy. Let me ask you this, Why is it that whites say rich Black people, who hate their own race and can't see that racism exists, are educated blacks?? and How come rich educated Blacks who speak the truth about racism, are called ignorant Blacks or Racists Blacks by whites??

What are you saying, when, you whites call a rich educated Black man who speaks the truth about racism an ignorant nigger or Black racists. Do you think that all Black men should be poor and hate their own race and kiss the white man's ass??

im saying this. i dont know if you are ritch or poor, but you are very ignorant.and im not white but you can kiss my ass.

I thought you weren't going to say anything else. Hahahahaha. Lying is one of the top traits of whites...HAHAHAHA. You can't asnwer my questions or prove me wrong, however, you call me ignorant. Hahahaha. You ignorant "minstrel show". Since you are acting like a bitch, go fuck yourself with a white dildo...HAHAHAHAHA. Uh-ohhh, I see there's going to be another hurricane this week. The LORD is using these hurricanes to destroy America, just as prophesized in the bible. All you Whites and Uncle Toms WILL be punished by the LORD. YOUR JUDGEMENT DAY is coming very SOON. The wrath of the LORD is here. HAHAHAHAHA. Death to America. All praises due to The Most High and Christ for destroying America and the racist devils and uncle toms in it. HAHAHAHAHA

ron, you are so stupid. talking about how god is going to kill all the white race. what, is the black race going first because i believe that the majority of the victoms in NO are black. you are suck an idiot. and the reason i keep writting to you is because the bullshit that you spew amuses me

Ah yes, it's the lying devil, who wants us to believe, he is an Indian. Just so you know, Hurricane Katrina was not only here to destroy America, It was also here to wake up GODS people who are ignorant and believe you white people are not racist and some of the ignorant ones who kill their own people(they are uncle toms as well). This is why some of GODS people are finally waking up and see the whites and George Bush, the government for who they really are, THE DEVIL. Don't worry, the white races, time is coming soon. I expect to hear from you soon. Or one of your other characters. HAHAHAHHA

If Kanye doesn't like America or our president, the country that made him rich he should go back to africa. Racist bastard

Any Black person would feel racism if you watched CNN and all you saw were Black faces in a miserable situation;
I was mad at CNN when they only focused at the looting (as if that was only thing happening)and not at the people trying to escape the flood.
CNN took the oppurtunity to demonize people trying to survive a watery holocaust and said they were looting, but they never explained that some people needed Huggies for their babies.
Every time when I watch CNN or the news and story pops up revolving around people they make it seem as if one Black does something we're all guilty.
I know also made a statement generalizing White people for global looting and that isn't fair either; I listened to CNN and they made it seem seem as people were only stealing Plasma TV's and God forbidden if America had a major disaster every black person is going to your local shopping mall and picking up a pair of Nike's and brand new collection of throwback jerseys and that's what I was mad about and the fact nobody even the police didn't help; why were they so worried about protecting privately businesses instead of helping people?

Any Black person would feel racism if you watched CNN and all you saw were Black faces in a miserable situation;
I was mad at CNN when they only focused at the looting (as if that was only thing happening)and not at the people trying to escape the flood.
CNN took the oppurtunity to demonize people trying to survive a watery holocaust and said they were looting, but they never explained that some people needed Huggies for their babies.
Every time when I watch CNN or the news and story pops up revolving around people they make it seem as if one Black does something we're all guilty.
I know also made a statement generalizing White people for global looting and that isn't fair either; I listened to CNN and they made it seem seem as people were only stealing Plasma TV's and God forbidden if America had a major disaster every black person is going to your local shopping mall and picking up a pair of Nike's and brand new collection of throwback jerseys and that's what I was mad about and the fact nobody even the police didn't help; why were they so worried about protecting privately owned businesses instead of helping people?

Actually, George Bush should go back to the caucus mountains, where he came from. Racist bastard.

just so you know, i am an american indian woman you stupid ass. we are all gods people and since you are all into the bible try this one on for size, the only one who has the right to judge anyone is god.

i too think that it was horrable that cnn only focused on the bad part of all that has been going on in NO. But the truth is that everyone should be pulling together right now. i know that there are a few people out there who will use this time of sorrow to promote their own form of ignorance. i have heard so much about why this has happened. a co-worker even said that it was gods will that NO flooded because there were so many homosexuals that lived there. anyone who believes in god should know better. maybe the devil did all of this to pull us apart. job well done...

I've been reading this threat, and I have to comment. Above all, Ron's take on race is realistic, justified and historically legitimate. In addition, his views are articulated intellegently and as an Arab American, who realizes the salience of race and the impact of white-executed racism today and decades past, that people of color - as a collective - must be skeptical of whites at all times. This isn't racism, Jay's views are too simplistic, but given what has happened not only in the past but today, e.g. - US PATRIOT, racial profiling, police brutality, and government abandonment of the inner city and gentrofication - people of color, particularly Afrian American and Latinos - are still experiencing oppression. Whites, generally, are the administrators of that oppression, and furthermore, whose controlling corporate America and government? Whites; thus, they hold the power over not only our minds and resources, but also our culture, i.e., hip hop. Again, people of color cannot be racist because we hold no power, if we did there wouldn't be Compton or Guantanamo. Get your minds right and realize racism is still robust, and money, power, and dignity are all allocated along racial lines - with much of the spoils being taken by white folks.

I've been reading this threat, and I have to comment. Above all, Ron's take on race is realistic, justified and historically legitimate. In addition, his views are articulated intellegently and as an Arab American, who realizes the salience of race and the impact of white-executed racism today and decades past, that people of color - as a collective - must be skeptical of whites at all times. This isn't racism, Jay's views are too simplistic, but given what has happened not only in the past but today, e.g. - US PATRIOT, racial profiling, police brutality, and government abandonment of the inner city and gentrofication - people of color, particularly Afrian American and Latinos - are still experiencing oppression. Whites, generally, are the administrators of that oppression, and furthermore, whose controlling corporate America and government? Whites; thus, they hold the power over not only our minds and resources, but also our culture, i.e., hip hop. Again, people of color cannot be racist because we hold no power, if we did there wouldn't be Compton or Guantanamo. Get your minds right and realize racism is still robust, and money, power, and dignity are all allocated along racial lines - with much of the spoils being taken by white folks.

ok khaled, you say it is ok for people other than caucasion to show prejudice. you are as ignorant as ron. ron say i should pay for my ancestors crimes, so a person that is originally from the middle east should be killed because that is where terrorrist come from.did you say you were arab? i guess you deserve to die huh? and for that fact if it is okay for other races to be "skeptical" of white people because there are white racist out there, why isn't it okay to be "skeptical" of a black man wearing baggy jeans and a bandanna, because that can be gang attire and there are gangs out there. oh, wait a sec, that is racist!!! you and ron are hypocrites and racist. i never! that is really the pot calling the kettle dark grey (wouldn't want to offend ron by saying black)

Ah, the fake christy is back. And just so you know, devils are not gods people.

Khaled, notice how ted said "prejudice". It is true we all have prejudices. BUT, we all are not "RACIST". The whites are the ones who OPRESS(Racism) other races. BIG difference. By the way ted, I didn't say whites had to pay for their ancestors crimes, THE LORD said that. I'm just the messenger. Whites feel everyone has to pay for crimes except whites(unless whites commit a crime against whites). Anyway, the Lord says you have to pay, so that's the way it's going to go down. You have no choice in the matter. As I said before, if you have a problem with it, take it up with GOD.

best i remember, slavery began after the bible was written, so please enlighten me to that book, chapter and verse because i'm 99.9% sure that nowhere in the bible does it say anything about whites paying for crimes against blacks. your ignorance is really starting to show.and by the way, christy is a beuatiful american indian and i'm a dashing pasty white boy from tennessee so i can't be the fake christy

This is the thing any black person can do soething as simple as turning on a television and see racism. An example would be , why in commercials is the black to white ratio at least 4 to 1 and if there is a black person they're either light skinned or dark but however has dred locks. It's just a fact that there is racism which in that case are stereotypes or if a balck man is an a commercial it has to be something to do with hip-hop and unfortunately enough it will always be here anywhere you go. It doesn't matter if you aquire wealth or not, there will always be a fight to prove to the racist white guy that we can do just as well as him that's just how it is, but besides that fact one of the things i don't like is that sometimes some white people act as if or want to act as if racism didn't happen, but it did there's no way to change that now, and it's too late for white people to apologize or give us money or land and besides the fact there would not be enough land to give the blacks or the native americans to erase what happened. I especially list the blacks and native americans because the indians did not choose to be slaughtered and the blacks never to chose to be slaves taken to another land. Also as much as white people may not want to admit it, not to say pther races have not or don't do it now , but they are the reason for alot of hurt and poverty in the world. A perfect example would be Haiti, it was colonized by the french they raped the country by stripping the gold and the diamonds and then still made the Haitian people fight for their independence unfortunatle for the Hatian people it was too late because there was and still is not a stable government infastructure which is a large part of why they are in the situation they are in now, and it's funny to me how white people know how to choose their allies by always remembering the slaughter of the jews and then faught for the jews, afterwards forcing Germany to compensate the jews financially ( although it was much later) some survivors are still recieving cheques to this day but I guess for black people that is just too much to ask for. Don't take this as some attack on white people i'm just stating the facts along with my opinion hopefully some of you sensible people share it. I would just like to leave on this statement America was built on the bloodshed of the indians and the backs of slaves.

Ok ted, or Christy or jay or whatever character you play in your internet mintrel show, hahahahaha. I have some chapters and verses from the bible, for you, proving what I say. Make sure you are reading the "King James" Bible, not the new testament or any other reprinted versions of the bible. Use the King James Bible, original edition. Whites have made many revisions of the bible because they want to hide the truth from the Blacks. And by the way ted, the reason slavery happened "after" the bible was written, was because the bible "prophesized" or "predicted" it would happen to the Israelites/Jews. Which means, in order to prophesize or predict something, you have to see and speak it, BEFORE it actually happens.

OK, first let's prove Jesus is BLACK. Revelations 1:14 & 15-
Rev. chapter 1:14th verse: "His head and his hair were white like wool(which is a black persons hair texture, whites have straight or stringy hair), as white as snow; and his eyes were like a flame of fire".(meaning his eyes were reddish, because, Jesus drank lots of wine).

Rev. chapter 1: 15th verse: "And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace(if you burn anything it will be Black NOT White, so his feet and skin color is Black, Jesus is Black) and his voice as the sound of many waters.

OK, those verses prove Jesus skin is Blacks because like I said in parenthesis in the 2 verses above, hair like wool means his hair was nappy and white, which is the texture of the Black man's hair. Whites, have straight hair. It also states, Jesus, feet looked like fine brass that was burned in a furnace, which means his feet and skin were DARK BLACK, because, if you burn anything, even white paper, it will turn black, NOT White.

OK, these next verses, will prove the real Jews of the bible are BLACK, NOT WHITE as whites want you to believe.

Revelations chapter 2:9th & 10th verses.
Rev.2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty,(but thou art rich) and I know the "blasphemy" of "them" which say "they" are "Jews", and are "NOT", but "ARE" the "synagogue of SATAN".

OK, you can't get any clearer than that last verse. The Lord clearly is stating, that, the people who claim to be the Jews are NOT the Jews, BUT, are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. Which race of people claim to be the JEWS?? You guessed it, WHITE PEOPLE. Who is SATAN?? If you answered the DEVIL, you are correct. These fake White Jews in America have synagogues, don't they?? Yes they do. Well, the Lord is clearly telling you, they(fake white jews) are the "Synagogue of SATAN", which is THE DEVIL.

This next verse will prove it even further, that, the jews(Gods Chosen) are BLACK.

Rev. 2:10: "Fear none of those things which thou shalt "suffer": behold, "the devil" shall cast "some" of you into "prison", that ye may be "tried"; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

OK, this further proves the Jews are Black, because, the devil(white man) has put some(a whole lot, but not all) Blacks in "prison" in the past and definately now in 2005. And many times, because, of false crimes. "Slavery" is also considered being in "prison".

OK, this verse below woll prove that the devils(white people) are not GODS people and will be destroyed because they are not GODS people.

Rev. 12:9: "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the "Devil", and "Satan", which "deceiveth the whole world": he was "cast out" into the "earth" and his angels were "cast out" with him."

This verse clearly proves, the Devil was cast out of heaven and into the earth. The devil is NOT GODS chosen and will be destroyed. GOD is going to save his chosen people ONLY. We also know, the whites deceived the whole world, so that, further proves, they are the devil. By claiming that racism does NOT exist, the whites are deceiving the world as well.

OK, below is the verse that CLEARLY says the DEVIL will be destroyed.

Rev. 21:10: "And the "devil" that "deceived" them was "cast into" the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the "false prophet" are, and shall be tormented day and night "for ever and ever".

That verse couldn't be any clearer, about what's going to happen to the devil and his people(whites and uncle toms). The false prophets in those quotes are these ministers teaching people lies about God being WHITE and that God Loves "everyone", including the devil. Also, saying the Israelites/Jews are WHITE, which we proved was a lie.

To all my Blacks, Latinos and American Indians, if you want to know more about our true history visit(copy and paste the url below in your browser): http://www.theholyconceptionunit.org

You can even ask questions on there message board area. Click on forums if you have to ask them questions. They are the ones teaching me the truth and are more knowledgeable than myself.

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Oh yeah and the whites "deceived" the Blacks into slavery as well, so, that's why they are going to be destroyed as well.

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gibran, i'm glad to see another person who speaks the truth. stay strong, we will overcome.

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Rev. 21:10: "And the "devil" that "deceived" them was "cast into" the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the "false prophet" are, and shall be tormented day and night "for ever and ever".

For those who don't understand that verse. The verse is saying the devil will be cast into the fire and burn forever.

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ya'll full of shit!get off that stupid shit like white people owe black people shit!no one owes you shit!get off your ass and feed your family follow your dreams and stop all the sensational crap!no one chose this no one chose that?what the fuck?you are choosing to be stupid right now!if black slaves were alive right now?they would slap you and every mawfucka giving these fuckin ass excuses!we are all one and the same race of people!we are too small and weak to be fighting one another,the universe is out there for mankind to rule but we want to sit here and bitch about skin color??come on thats is stupid!!

The truth hurts, doesn't it DEVIL. Prove the Lord didn't choose the israelites, who are Black. Put up or shut up Devil. Prove me wrong. Show proof we are all one race.

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Kanye is a complete idiot.The only reason why the press said those bvlack people were looting is because they were stealing T.V.s and stereos, the white people who the press said was surviving were taking water,and food.There is a big diffrence.Kanye is trying to make Katrina a racial thing, when it should be a humanity thing.I dont think its that Bush doesnt like black people, its that Kanye doesnt like white people.

Kanye told the truth. George Bush, the government and the media are racist. whites were stealing tv's, pets, raping and fighting, But, the media didn't show you that. I know people from New Orleans and they told me the whites were looting, fighting and raping as well. All the devil(whites) wants to do is deceive the world by showing false and one sided/biased images of BLACKS on TV. However, the whites time for JUDGEMENT from the Lord is coming very soon.HAHAHAHAHA

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Christy so you are an Indian? Your people are still suffering today because of what the white man did to your race I see it everday on their reservations -- they are some of the poorest communities in America. I only pointed that out because it's ironic that you take the position that you are taking considering the condition of your race!?!
Does Indians have a term for "Uncle Tom" because if they did a picture of you would be in the dictionary.

Plain and simple whites destroy everything they come in contact with from the crusades, to Africa, to America and I agree with Ron Karma is a bitch and the devil will have his day.

Oh yeah Christy I wanted to comment on this stupid statement of yours.

"BET, UNITED NEGRO COLLEGE FUND, MISS BLACK AMERICA, NAACP. If white people had WET(white entertainement television) White boy colledge fund, miss white america, and NAAWP, what would the black community think about that!!!"

I'll tell you what we'd think about that we'd say they already have those organizations it's called ABC, CBS, NBC, The Academy Awards, Miss America, and the Government. Before you say that there are Black people represented in those institutions I ask you how many? Not nearly enough in a so called equitable society -- check your stats. Less than 1% doesn't sound to equitable. Stop watching tv and get some facts before you speak. Ted I aint even going to address your stupidity at least Christy sunds like she can be helped if she only knew facts.

Straight up... neone who doesnt c the racism happenin today is ignorant... ignorance is not knowin or not makin urself aware... n if ur not aware of racism... UR THE IGNORANT ONE "BUDDY"... let me take u thru history for two mins.... hhhmm... blacks... slaves... indians... killed... jews... killed... indians(from india) underpayed... LATIN AMERICA.. ROBBED OF ITS AGRITULTURAL WEALTH N WAY UNDERPAYED MANUAL LABOR... thats enuff for now... whites have always looked out for themselves... they wanna seem like they're givin soldiers from El Salvador a great opportunity to make good money by rebuilding NO but really they kno they can pay them way less then black americans n dont have to give them benefits... so again... instead of the black ppl who suffered the loss of their city gettin paid to rebuild their own city... America tries to make another ally by offerin Salvadorian soldiers a great payin job (when its prolly about minimum wage if not less)... Whites have oppresed us all n i c wat is to come... n whites might not c it cause they watchin tv... but unfortunatly for them... THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT B TELEVISED STUPID... n just for the record... Bush dont care for blacks... before votin time came around... the NAACP wanted him to come speak for them... he didnt show up n said... THEIR VIEWS R IRRELIVENT TO ME... so if the shoe fits it must b... hes a fuckin racist... so whites can keep on robbin my county (COLOMBIA) of all its gold... all its fruits n vegetables... all its agricultural wealth... the ppls manual labor... THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT B TELEVISED!

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Funny how the blog changed... but w/e God works in misterious ways... neways... on the Kanye shit... if ppl dont like payin for stickers n t-shirts n bakstage passes n a blog... THEN DONT PAY FOR IT... if ur real u wouldnt pay for it... so let the fake lil wanna b kanyes pay for it... fuck em neways... bobbie from idaho or jim from colorado wanna pay for stupid things on kanyes fan club... let them... let that nigga get his hustle on... do u kanye.. fuck the haters...

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Thanks you to Ron, Kapavelli and Juanito for dropping some knowledge on this blog. You should be chargin' the rest of the folks on her tuition, to bad that so many people of color have been miseducated and assimilated into a white mainstream society. But, that's the impact of psychological colonialism. As Juanito eloquently stated, racism is not only a domestic phenomenon but one that has been exported via Western foreign policy, trade and globalization - our peoples abroad are being put into sweat shops and stripped of their resources for the benefit of white transnational corporations. Assimilated people of color, or "sell outs," consider oppressiona and racism to be a thing of the past because "they've moved on up," now, isn't that a selfish take on the issue? How about the 90% of black folks living at or below the poverty line; the number of incarcerated black men; the tirade against Latina/o immigrants; racial profiling against Arabs and Muslims; the marginalization of native americans adn thier genocide (Christy); and so on. Selective memory is a disease, as is ignorance to what is still unfolding today. To my brothers and sisters united in the struggle, keep on exposing these ignorant and unenlightened people to the truth. 1luv.

damn if feels good to hear ppl w/ their head on straight... shit... too much ignorance... the media is mostly showin everyone that's not white as the enemy... ppl move on up n forget their past... this is bullshit... u ask a Bush follower y we hit up Iraq they say well at least we freed them... WTF... so white ppl wanna say... at least he helpin them out yada yada... yet they wanna get rid of immigrants who DONT WANNA LIVE HERE but r lookin for a better life... n they wanna make laws so that immigrants cant get licenses so that they become idle n r forced to get they're hustle on illegaly then they can put it on the news n b like... look at wat hispanic ppl do when they come over illegaly... bullshit... so its HIPOCRACY to say that u wanna liberate ppl when u hold ppl prisoners or slaves... is HIPOCRACY to say well at least Iraqis r ok now n kick ppl out that wanna b ok here... so thanx for neone who sees things for wat they really r n again... THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT B TELEVISED FUCKERS!

amy ur right i don't think that Bush dislikes black people he just doesn't consider at all, and well if he doens't consider black people neither poor people what do you think about poor black people, I mean it's quite obvious seeing as how it took him so long and lets not forget his partner in crime Dick Cheney just came off vacation, ok let me say it again there was a hurricane which destruction spanned 3 states and he is now coming off vacation what a week and 1/2 later. yeah amy ur right it's not that Bush doesn't like black peopl it's that he and his whole administration does not care. Sadly enough the same goes for Condaleeza Rice whom it was reported was shopping for shoes after the disaster.

amy ur right i don't think that Bush dislikes black people he just doesn't consider at all, and well if he doens't consider black people neither poor people what do you think about poor black people, I mean it's quite obvious seeing as how it took him so long and lets not forget his partner in crime Dick Cheney just came off vacation, ok let me say it again there was a hurricane which destruction spanned 3 states and he is now coming off vacation what a week and 1/2 later. yeah amy ur right it's not that Bush doesn't like black people it's that he and his whole administration does not care. Sadly enough the same goes for Condaleeza Rice whom it was reported was shopping for shoes after the disaster.

Let me stop before i feel like i need to take my nigga's advise n start chargin tuition for my thoughts... haha... i wanna c nebody who was talkin shit to Ron way bak then read these last couple of inputs n try n give excuses for the white man... n if u feel ur the one chosen to speak for ur white ppl n try n answer to all this... LMAO... GOOD LUCK...
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I only have one more thing to say to "pimp" i see that you say the world is too small for people to be bickering about race and i fully agree with you , i agree with you so much that i wish white people didn't enslave us and call us "niggers". Dont' you think that was stupid or what about hanging black people for fun, or even better raping slave women. So before you call your own people stupid for talking about it remember who did it. I mean maybe me and you learned different things in History class but I don't ever remember black people enslaving white people, killing them separating them from their families and using them to PICK COTTON about 18 HOURS EACH AND EVERYDAY and you say that if black slaves were alive today they would slap us let think about this. Black slaves would slap us because we're mad about them being slaves. no maybe they would have slapped you for saying something like that. matter of fact if you were a slave you probably would have told "the master" when they were goin to escape. I mean think about that white people made black people call them "master" but that probably sounds about right to you. Not to sound like an extremist but you have been so brainwashed by white media that you actually believe what you that white people don't owe us anything. You what i want you to do make it a project go to every jewish person you know and tell them that the holocaust didn'thappen and they should get over it and stop collecting their cheques from Germany. There has been no race known that has suffered what black people have suffered ( besides american indians) do u know what it's like to be enslaved by a race because they want to and even after you are freed you still have to fight for equal oppurtunities from the people that enslaved and people are killing you (KKK) for no reason, but like I said you would probably agree with that. This race thing goes so deep u obviously don't know, tkae this for example , you think your last name is your last name but itisn't if you were to track your history back you would find out that it is ssome white man's name that enslaved your ancestors, ain't that something ! if i wanted to i couldn't even find my ancestors in Africa if i wanted to because their names were stripped from them i mean did you think that slavery was some prank that white people pulled on us or maybe a really old version of "Punk'd" right. (sorry a little more than one thing)

Juan, Kappavelli, Gibran, Khaled and others, that see the truth, I'm also glad you have common sense to see the Devil for who he is.

Pass this info, on to everyone you know, so, hopefully they can wake up as well.

Hit allhiphop.com, blackplanet and all the other spots where our people visit often with the threads I have written and you have written as well.

Spread this truth to our people. We will overcome the DEVIL. The Lord said, so, which means it has to happen. The devils reign/rulership over the world is coming to an end. I'm so happy.

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ok, you people are ignorant. all you guys with the stupid names...first ,i ain't speaking for white people...i'm speaking for me and me only. i'm not a racist. i know you fools think that if you are white=racist, but i ain't got to prove that to you. ron, it least you do homework about what you believe and don't just run your mouth, but i disagree with you strongly. all that talk, i never heard anything about blacks or whites. you assumed that devil is white.all men were created and god created man in his own image. i think that he is everything. i imagine god looking like me and you imagine him looking like you, but really he is a spirit of hope joy and love. you are making god out to sound evil, like he created us to lie, kill, and steal, that he created heaven and earth just to watch the different races fight each other. i don't understand why everybody is so proud of their race. YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT PEOPLE. BE PROUD OF SOMETHING GOOD THAT YOU HAVE CONTROL OF.IF YOUR FATHER WAS A RHINO AND YOUR MOTHER WAS A KANGAROO, WOULD YOU BE PROUD OF BEING A RHINOROO? YOU ARE SOOO DISTURBED.be a good father, husband, neighbor, son, daughter, brother or sister. there is something real to be proud of. and ron, so you know, christy is my wife and we don't even know jay.now about bush, i don't think he said that their views didn't matter. but i'll tell you this, they don't mean shit to me.NAACP AND THE RAINBOW COALITION ARE RACIST PIGS...AL SHARPTON IS IGNORANT, AND JESSE JACKSON IS A FOOL.martin luther king however was a great man.ok, nbc,cbs,abc is for whites?what about the cosby show?i guess because he was a rich doctor who lived in a nice house he was an uncle tom right? 4:1 ratio? how many black men try out for these commercials? without that information, you can't say whether it's racism or not. i don't dispute that slavery was bad. but none of us ever saw that.so why should i pay good money for something that happened to an ancestor that you never knew? my ass, get a job. i tell you what, i'll pay you.i'll give you 1$ for every bundle of cotton any of you fools ever picked.you people were never slaves, noone owes you shit.there is racism today and it comes from every race. but just because you have met white racists before,how can you judge me, you don't know me and you don't have the right to stereotype me.let me ask you this...if a black man and a white man with exact same credentials and experience interview for a job and the white guy gets it.is that racist.but i know what you all think!!! if the man doing the hiring is white, it's racism, if he's black he's an uncle tom. there is no way out with you people. you always throw the race card when a white man gets something, but what if the white man has more education? let me guess ,the education system in america is racist, right!ultimately, everyone is soley responsible for their actions and noone else's.

Im glad to hear that before u state ne facts u tell me that im ignorant n i have a stupid name... GREAT JOB ROBBO COP... neways... u spoke a lot of peace n respect n i give u respect for that... but for the record... u think Bush didnt say that... but i KNOW he did... n its not about the NAACP... i dont know who all runs it but they represent blacks n black views... i kno jesse b robbin money or w/e scandals he's been in... its not about him... its about wat the organization represents n if those views r irrelevent to our president... WE'RE FUCKED... n im not sayin white ppl as if every white person was a devil im speakin of the society... the state of mind... i have a white grl friend n i make sure she dont fall into what the system expects n i make sure she sees how the system fucks us over... bottom line... SLAVERY LIVES.. u think u kno a lil bit.. let me skool u... im COLOMBIAN n thats where like 80% of the worlds cocaine comes from... n where does it go... THATS RITE.. here... yet WE'RE the druggies we're the drug dealers... america's God is money... n they have introduced that God into our countries our legal systems n thats y our legal systems r corrupt... had Simon Bolivar's plan worked... my ppl wouldnt even b in this country... americans would b tryin to get visas to get into ours... but it failed... slavery is for example... my ppl in sweat shops gettin paid shitty cause thats the way it is... then that american corporation turns around n sells that product for expensive amounts... but yeh corporate america can clean their hands by donatin a couple grand to an organization that they prolly dont care for... bottom line is whites still opress... so it might sound racist to u that we "complain" but if u were runin a 300 yard dash n the rich kid had a 200 yard head start... ud b pretty pissed too... n u kno wat they'd say... get off ur ass n train... get over it... either way... im sure im still the ignorant one...

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aint this about kanye s blog?

Ted, The truth hurts, doesn't it DEVIL. Prove the Lord didn't choose the israelites, who are Black. Put up or shut up Devil. Prove me wrong. Show proof we are all one race.

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Show me proof that whites are not the devil.

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ok, i know our legal system is shit and i know that drugs and money rule the street. but what can you do? all i can do is make sure my children are not around it and that they know right from wrong. and politics...show me an honest politician and i'll pull a rabbit out of my ass. republican or democrat, male or female, black or white...politicians are shit, and they always will because good people who want to make a difference don't have the money to run for office. politics is like cocaine, u can't get rid of it. now the rich kid thing...there are things that other races don't see. i have no college, couldn't go cause i had to go to work, but rich kids have a free ride.i've seen rich kids with degrees be hired to tell experienced workers what to do when they already knew what to do. it's a corporate world and politics is right in the middle of it. i'm not mad at the people or anything, i think almost everybody would take advantage of it if we could. you get no argument from me about the state of the world and i understand that life is hard for minorities because of stereotyping. i just want people to know that from where i'm at, life is no picnic either. i work hard for everything i have and that's what i'm proud of...not the color of my skin.this ron guy is messed up, his heart is filled with so much hatred. what a truly miserable life he must live

Actually, I'm a truly happy man, because, I know the truth. And because I know the truth, I'm FREE.

Now like I said BEFORE Ted, Show me the proof the white man is not the devil. Show me proof, God didn't choose the Black Israelites as his people.

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genesis chapter1 verse 27.....so God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;male and female created he him..........no mention of race.ron you assume to much

Yes in God's image. I proved in Revelation 1:14 a 15 God is Black.

Prove that GOD is white, like the fake pictures in the churches

i agree w/ most of wat ron says but he's a bit extreme w/ others i guess... either way... i can feel ur struggle... n its good to hear u understand ours a bit... but the system is still fucked up... even for u... the thing is we speak about it... n if we have to... we act on it... because sure rite now im sittin in front of a computer but one day God will bless me w/ a voice that the world will hear... ill b able to change things then... its the same way u weren't able to get ur way into college... n i came up to u n said get over it... fuck that it hurts... truth is slavery is still here n it needs to stop... the world slowly sees thigs but they're slow to listen... corporate america... n the fuck faces who run this country r the anti-christ if u ask me... once unmasked all will c... so i have nothin against u or ur struggle but u need to feel us n ours... n u cant say get over it because blacks n hispanics live in poverty n they have to over come in a public skool system where most dudes have already given up on life... i dont hate u for bein white... but dont b ignorant either... racism happened... its still happenin... n whenever someone gets a chance to express it like kanye did... i show support because things need to b heard by americans who dont wanna listen...
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for the record... man was made to God's image... yet man sinned... seperatin us from God... so we're born enemies of God... only Christ has come to reconcile us w/ our creator.. makin him our Father once again... n Jesus was definately not white... but thats besides the point... the devil is that mind state... corporate america... the u.s. govt... the media... n most whites... n them uncle toms... but God's ppl is the Jews... n his adopted family is those who accept Christ as their lord n savior... but the millitant mind me n ron is on is clearly a fight againts the evils in this world... not all whites... but most... we (the opressed) have the responsibility to unmask the devil for the world to c... so dont get offended... God dont c color... its all Black or White to him... ur either w/ God or ur againts him... no in btwn...
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first for ron...you are a black man and i'm a white man, we're both men...God created man, if God only created black men, where did me and all other races come from? juanito...you're right, racism happens and just how i have to pay the price for what some ignorant white people do, it goes full circle. i never denied racism happened but ron thinks that white people are satan and black people are God and all other races are just stuck in the abyss somewhere. he is spreading hate which only makes things worse. here is my point, if you got jumped by two white guys in an alley, would you look at all other white people a little carefully? of course you would. ok, you hear of black on black violence on the news every night(not just blk on blk)this is an example.so yeah if i'm standing in the market with my daughters and son and two black guys walk in with bandannas around their head, i'm gonna be more cautious because they look like gangstas(which ain't meant as an insult). now hispanics are treated badly because you don't know if they are legal or not. illegals are a big economic problem here because they pay no taxes. they are able to get medicaid that is meant for tax payers and former taxpayers. i live in tennessee, we have tncare(instead of medicaid. my father is 64 and has had a stroke and a series of heart attacks. he is classified as uninsurable because he doesn't make alot of money and bad health. he was denied tncare because they say that their annual allotment is full. at the same time i make 2.50 p/hr more than two mexicans that i work with. every friday their check is 67 dollars more than mine because they are here on temp visa and pay no taxes. they have been here 7 yrs. oh yeah, they both have tncare. now, i like jose and marco, but that pisses me off. people like that that fall through the cracks are why all hispanics are looked at twice.but as far as racism, we can't see the forrest for the trees. my daughters fight and neither will apologize unless the other does so first. it's the same way with race. are whites at fault, yeah there are alot of ignorant people who don't or won't understand. are blacks at fault, yeah because many black people don't want racial equality, they want racism to work in their favor. are hispanics to blame, yeah, noone has a problem with them coming here for a better life, but do it legally and pay taxes, become a full fledged citizen the right way. and for gods sake, learn english. must be able to speak spanish shouldn't be a qualification for a job here

And don't forget, I also said the Lord is going to punish sellouts or uncle toms. That includes Israelites who kill their own people.

I have extreme hate for the DEVIL, because, THE LORD has extreme hate for the DEVIL. GOD'S people are supposed to hate the devil, because, the devil is EVIL.

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wow i was w/ u for a min... but i guess i lost u somewhere... i have a cousin who is legally here... has a family... two lil kids... one is a one yr old.. the other one just born... they took away his medicare cause apparently he makes too much money... he has no money for medical bills... my other cousin is here illegally... hard worker... manager at a restaurant... if he's hurt he can go to the E.R. no problem... should i treat one ne less fairly than the other... do i love one more than another... no... they're all family... its not their fault.. ITS THE SYSTEMS FAULT... o yeh... if ppl could just come legally.... Y WOULD THERE B ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS... goodness... wtf is wront w/ this world... n o dont speak spanish... fuck u... y do u care if my dad got a job over u n doesnt speak english... aparantly he does the job better... GET OVER IT... this is one thing i love... ppl expect imigrants... legal or illegal... to come over n just learn english... like they have spare time to sit in front of a tv n learn... wtf planet r u on... ppl that come over r here for the safety n the money... they dont have time to study... they work so how r they gonna learn english... how about u pay an immigrant the whole time he studies... so he can fit ur lil idea of wat a hispanic should b in the states... ur not listenin... u just hearin... w/o hispanics comin illegally n not speakin english... whose gonna clean the buildin that u work at?? whos gonna pick the fruits u need for $5 a day or w/e they pay em $2 an hr.. w/e... either way nobody would do it... so b glad we're forced to come illegally n not speakin english cause other wise... we would run this country... n most ppl r not lookin for racism to work in their favor... most dont wait to get a job n lose to a better qualified white man n say its racist... goin to a store n askin for help n gettin ignored... THATS RACISM.. never felt that have u... it sux a fat one... so dont come sayin ppl want this n ppl want that n we cant do nethin about it just look out for ourselves n stop complainin we all have it rough... FUCK THAT... check urself... cause u might b part of the problem...

REALITY CHECK HOMIE...

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its funny to c how u think hispanics r at fault for comin illegally n not payin taxes... its our gvts fault... n y is our gvt fucked up... THATS RITE... the U.S. GVT... so i think yeh... we kinda should just run up in here... n its funny... "become a full fleged citizen right away"... americans can travel wherever the fuck they want... but to get into america u need to wait for a visa... years for an interview to c if u can get into this country... then... most get denied... n those that get in have to wait a certain time that they must b residents... no reason... u just have to sit here n wait for wat.. 5yrs before u can aply for ur citizenship... n check this out... u gotta pay for a test.. thats rite hundreds of dollars for a test... n heres the best part... U COULDNT PASS THE TEST IF U GOT IT TONITE... I PUT MONEY ON IT... u wanna say... just worry about urself n ur family like i do... but when im speakin on my problems u suddenly have a voice... u amuse me doggie... u tellin me wat we should do to come in here n ull b alright w/ it like ur somebody... u aint nobody nigga... u aint do notin to b here... u just happend to b born here... there was a fuckin lottery before u was born n u won so u was born here n u was born white... good for u... now ur demanding things like uve done somethin to achieve livin here... funny... unless u got somethin intelligent to come out ur mouth... i suggest u quit tryin to anwer nethin i say... educate urself... most history books r a fraud...

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GOD created all nations, BUT, they are not all EQUAL or are in his IMAGE as you say.

God created the DEVIL, BUT, the devil and his people are not the same "image" of GOD(who is BLACK). I proved in Rev. 1:14&15, That, GOD is "Black".

There is NO "white" person, who, looks anything like the "description of GOD", that, is given in REV. 1:14&15. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. It's common sense.

However, you and your people are WHITE. And he "described" your people as the "Synagogue of SATAN" in REV. 2:9.

The WHITES are the ones who created "synagogues" and claim to be JEWS in AMERICA.

Any Black Jews, who have synagogues and "follow" the teachings of the fake JEWS(fake jews read the TORAH ONLY), will be "destroyed" like their WHITE teachers who, "DECEIVED THEM"(there goes that word deceived again). WHY?? Because, the BLACK JEWS that FOLLOW the WHITE JEWS are "FALSE PROPHETS". I proved this in REV. 20:10

Other nations have treated GODS people badly and enslaved them as well. They will be destroyed also. BUT, THE DEVIL, is the "worst" out of ALL the wicked nations that are against GODS PEOPLE(Israelites).

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i do something to live here..PAY TAXES! i never blamed the illegals, i know its not their fault. it's the system but at the same time i pay taxes to reap the benefits, not to pay medical benefits for someone that isn't supposed to get them.i got no problem losing a job to someone better than me, but if it is just because they speak spanish...FUCK THAT NOISE. tell u what, u came here for a better life and you are bitchin about the gov, why don't you go home and make that country better if u know so damnm much. and ron, SHUT THE FUCK UP U RACIST BASTARD.good thing u talk this shit on the computer cause if you said it in public, u wouldn't live to find out if you were right.

You can't equate prejudice on part of people of color with that of white racism, especially in the American context. White skin is privlege, it's also a brand of social currency that grants access and acceptance. The fact that a white-government, and white capitalists have dehumanized people of color, and continue to do so, makes it naive to equate prejudice from people of color as racist. Rather, it is intelligent, in the words of Malcolm X, to be suspicious and even defensive around white people. Ted, for instance, like most white reactionaries who probably beleives "he's down" because he listens to hip hop, is angered by the fact that two Mexicans don't pay taxes and get medicaid, but his perspective, typical of white folks, ignores the fact that as a white man he has so many more social benefits and advantages than the two Mexican men - and also, he didn't have to go through the hardship those two men went through to get into the US. Illegal or legal, whatever the deal, people will break laws to eat and feed their families. It's called survival, and Ted, like most white folks, can't sympathize with that because they've never had to be in survival mode. Next time you pop in your favorite rap album, listen closer to the lyrics and try to understand. It's unfortunate how white kids embrace our cultures with out embracing us as a people, they consume hip hop but don't use it as a bridge to understand our struggle. Ted, when you wake up and look in the mirror, you see a white man - y'all run this world, George W. Bush looks like you not me. The world sees your white skin and doesn't consider you a "menace" or a "thug," that is not the same for Ron, Gibran, Juan and myself - So step back, and acknowledge your status. How can we be racist toward whites, our animus toward white people means little because we wield no power? What has "black racism" accomplished against white folks? Maybe a couple of beat downs in the 'burbs. White racism has carried out genocides, forced enslavement, rape and pillaging, forced converstion, ethnic cleansing, colonialism, war, and economic expolitation - all of which are still taking place. Ted, check your self and get your game up. I suggest you don't embrace our culture anymore until you can come to grips with our struggle.

Ted, you shut up you racist DEVIL. Nobody wants to hear your ignorance on here. Prove GOD is White, like you devils said he is. Put up or shut up. You internet racist gangster. HAHAHAHA. The truth hurts doesn't it. And TED, us Israelites say this truth in the streets in Manhattan in front of you white devils and white devil cops and you devils haven't physically harmed us yet. You know better than to mess with GODS people, we will fuck you devils up. HAHAHAHA

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Black, white, blue, yellow..etc.(whatever ignorant colors you give race). Yes the truth is whites have done some f()@& up S#!!, and i'm pretty sure they know it by now. So maybe if we(minorities) were to change our perception about color, we can improve as a people. Stop using hatred towards you as an excuse to hate the person that is hating on you. (That will do nothing but destroy). Use the hatred as a stepping stone to make things right in this world.(that will build). And if whites are devils, then all they want to see is destruction(hate for them,hate for yourself and hate for everyone). Let beat the devil by doing the opposite (by building). Not builing only us as minorities but also the whites. Yes the truth being told is great and it's done. Let's start coming up with solutions. BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION NOT THE PROBLEM. MUCH LUV

Dreweezy:

I agree, but in order to build and come up with solutions, we have to acknowledge not only the past wrong committed against minorities, but also those that are still taking place today. I mean, if most of the victims in New Orleans were white, you think it would've taken the gov't that long to aid? That's only one instance, but racism is still alive and strong - and it's being fueled by ignorance and navity on behalf of whites like Ted, but also by many people of color who don't know the what's going on. But I feel you, we need to act productively and find solutions, but with that, we have to do it as people alone with white assistance - or the element that's suppressed, and still suppressing, us.

ight ill say this... ron is on some other shit... i understand his views but his views of the devil n God's ppls r a bit twited... for instance... God has no color... if neone were to enter God's precense fully they would die... God's son, Jesus, was born among God's ppl... the Jews... yet Jesus preached of speading his word amongst the nations... God wants everyone in heaven... everyone gets a chance to kno him... its on u n ur personal decision... thats y i dont think God feels that whites r the devil... though... most whites in this society n this corporate world r devils... so i cant call Ted a devil for bein white.. i cant call my grl a devil for bein white... but i do recognize Satan n the rule he has over the earth... n i feel the U.S. has a lot to do w/ that... as far as the culture... the value money has in our society... etc.... so yeh if ur not w/ God ur against him but i cant jump on Ted like he's a devil... so yeh Jesus was dark skinned n had nappy hair n he didnt have light eyes... but thats besides the point... wats important is wat he came to earth to do for humanity... to save us... forgive us for our sins... n b our savior... so thats that.... hope things r a bit clearer........

dreweezy has a good point but at the same time isnt bein realistic... because he's askin that we simply come up when we havent been compensated for bein in the positions that we're put in... its like if we was racin n i tripped u... but the race didnt stop... the only answer u get is... get up n overcome... its kinda tough when ur hurt... on ur ass... n everyone's got a big lead on u... get me... thats y u should ask for wat u deserve... A FAIR FIGHT... not physical... but somethin that can help u for ur troubles feel me.... Khaled seems to b the only dude that feels wat im sayin... because i cant help my ppl overcome when white ppl like Ted for instance wanna take an illegal immigrant's medicare because he doesnt pay taxes (n for the record there r a lot of illegal immigrants who pay taxes neways)... so our ppl r poor n whites r tryin to take the only thing theyve got... medicare... because Ted thinks his tax dollars shouldnt help someone who doesnt deserve it... HHMM... Ted let me ask u this... do u kno of ONE person in iraq who has paid taxes????? do u go tell Bush... HEY how come they're gettin fed, freed, n taken care of w/ my tax dollars???... didnt think so... u seem to care so much about where ur tax dollars go... BUT DO U KNO WHERE THEY GO??? they fund wars buddy... so take a good look in the mirror... if ur gonna stop this fucked up system... u have to go for the source... NOT THE VICTIMS... if u feel that because u pay tax dollars u can decide that illegal immigrants shouldnt get medicare... THEN I DONT WANT MY AMERICAN SOLDIERS DYING FOR IRAQIS... I DONT WANT MY TAX DOLLARS FUNDING THAT WAR... but i cant say that can i.... thats not patriotic of me is it Ted... ur not understandin me... ur simply readin n reacting.... take a good long second n think....... wat if u were an immigrant... how would u feel if someone was tellin u that u have to pay for a hospital bill for ur kids cause u dont pay taxes... if someone told u that they cant stitch u up cause u gotta pull the money out ur ass......

it would suck...

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Better idea... since u n ur wife r so into this... how about u close ur eyes n she describes a life for u... n u picture it in ur head........ ur born dirt poor.... in a country where public education is a joke... n u have to pay to get a real education... u finish skool n now head to college... workin at the same time of course... u only have time for skool n work.... now u graduate w/ a degree... now u can get a real job... a real job for 5 yrs that is... cause once u hit that 30yr old mark... ur pretty much last years model... there's no need for u so u get cut out of ur job... U HAVE A DEGREE... but u have to work a shitty job now... n u apply for a visa for the States... u fly to another city w/ wat lil money u have n go to ur interview... the american guy at the table says... ur visa is denied... now u have to go bak to ur family w/ less money n no visas... n u talk to a friend about it... he tells u he can help u come into the States... illegally... u contemplate... but at the end of the day u cant provide for ur family n ur wife has a worse job than u..... u take the risk... leave ur family behind to live a new life... u go thru troubles w/ border athourities... have to climb fences w/ spikes... walk/swim thru rivers... n u make it... the the U.S.of A. but all u c is desert... u keep at it til u make it to a city... u find a place to stay w/ someone u know... u have to room... u sleep on the floor in a livin room of an apt.... now u have to find a job... u find it hard to find a job w/o papers... so u find shitty jobs... hard labor w/ shitty pay... n one day while ur workin... u break ur leg... u have to go to the hospital... n u hear a white guy tell u that u dont deserve to have free medicare cause u dont pay taxes.... think about that homie n tell me how u would feel....

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My name is christy, and i am an american indian. I am also teds wife. though i dont agree with all that he says, i do agree with most. i work in a public hospital and i see alot of what he is talking about. i also agree with the fact that the hispanic community should learn to speek english. but my reasons are different. the familys that i see have no idea what it is that i am trying to tell them so they may not do what they need to for themselves or their children. i have seen children who have been overdosed by their parents because they couldnt read the lable on the medicine bottle. the fact is that the dominant language in the usa is english. if you dont know it, how can you exspect to survive correctly. if i went to live in another country i would learn the language in my spare time asap. i think that it is very necessary. as far as the whole medicare issue, that is the fault of the gouvernment. all races take advantage of the system. there are just as many white people that are sitting home doing nothing besides having babies that they cant take care of and getting all kinds of public aid. i think it is sorry of anyone who is able to work but they just want to be lazy. i say we send all of them somewhere. then maybe all of the people, black, white, hispanic, etc wont have to pay all that we do. lazy people are going to take advantage of the system because they can. but if you are on assistance and you know that you dont deserve it then im sorry... it is your falt too.

i said in an earlier comment that i don't blame the illegals. i blame the system.i fully blame the system because like you, i would do the same thing to survive. i believe in a free world, but life is far from free.there is a price for everything. the price of being an american is high. taxes, taxes, and more taxes. but i feel if someone is coming here illegally, they have to know that it won't be easy. i know mexico is poorer than america. or at least i've heard that. i understand why someone would want to be here to provide a better life for their family. but if you come here to share what america has to offer, shouldn't you have to carry your load just as well. i'm not saying it would be easy, but if it comes down to a taxpayer and a nontaxpayer, who deserves the free health. i know it sounds cruel, but unfortunately that decision has to be made every day. there is a price to pay for everything that the country offers. american citizens fund what america offers. like i said survival is an instinct and i don't blame illegals for attempting to come here. i think that the gov. can find a way to offer more friendly assistance to immigrant to become legal. but i feel they should pay taxes like everybody if they want to live like everybody. the sad truth is this. we all sit and judge politicians on right or wrong, but the gov. also make decisions on right and right.is every life just as important as the others...yes. should anyone be denied medical treatment is needed....no.but if you want to buy 12 apples and you only have money for 6 apples, you are gonna buy 6 apples.the other 6 will rot.i don't know the answer to the problem, but i do know if EVERYONE who lived here paid taxes, there would be more revenue to spend on health care, and maybe you can get at least 9 apples. it's a start. on iraq, i support bush on that.unlike immigrants, there was a dictator that murdered his on people. every life is just as important and everyone deserves to be free. alot of people bash bush on what he did. but after 9/11, he had a decision to make, he couldn't see what others had done. this had never happened here before and he had to act. hindsights 20/20. he made mistakes, but i bet if it happens again he won't make the same ones.

Juanito, GOD doesn't want "everyone" to follow him. ONLY the JEWS which are the 12 tribes of Israel, which consists of the so-called Black, Latino and American Indian races.

The isreaelites were "scattered" in the 4 corners of the earth in the Diaspora, which means we Israelites were in the lands of ALL nations. Jesus, ONLY spoke to the Israelites/Jews in the nations, NO ONE ELSE. Don't be fooled. Jesus was ONLY here for the JEWS and we know what color both he and the Jews were, they were Black. NOBODY can prove Jesus was white. Nobody can prove Jesus had NO color. NOBODY can prove the jews are white. So don't be fooled, by lies.

Those verses I gave describe god was Black and the whites are described as the devil clearly.

As far as dreweezy, the only way, we Israelites can "rebuild" is by following the laws of GOD and Believing in Jesus, because, this world is about to end.

These hurricanes and natural disasters is destroying this world and is a warning, to "wake up" our people, to get out of our wicked ways and come back to the lord before it's too late. The world(all other nations) are going to rise
up and destroy AMERICA. These are the last days, that are in revelations, America is the new Babylon, revelations is talking about.

And Revelations tells you, that, the New Babylon will be DESTROYED. I'm sure you heard of ARMEGGEDON. This time Christ is coming back to KILL the enemies of GODS PEOPLE. There will be no peaceful Jesus in the 2nd coming. If you don't believ me, prove me wrong. Wake up Brothers and Sisters.

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so you're saying god created white people just so black,hispanic, and american indians would have enemies..////oooooookkkkkkk ron

I'm not saying it ted, the Lord is saying it. I'm just the messenger. If you have any problems, take it up with GOD.

You devils were created to punish the israelites for turning their backs on GOD. The Israelites that were saved and are with GOD right now, are the ones who were on noah's ark.

The Israelites that are on this earth now, are descendants from the Israelites, who did not follow GODS laws and were NOT on Noahs ark. The only reason YOU whites, are here is to punish(slavery/racism) us for a certain "time". However, You devils over did it and the LORD is EXTREMELY MAD at you devils and will punish you for "over punishing us". YOUR time is now up. We are in the last days of our punishment(revelations).

The Israelites on this earth today are here to "reform/redeem ourselves" and get out of our "wicked ways" and follow GODS laws and commandments.

The Lord wants us Israelites to come back home.

Instead of destroying all of us Israelites completely, Jesus sacrifice made it possible for us to have a second chance to follow the laws of GOD, like we are supposed to.

To all the Israelites out here listening, if you don't come back to GOD, you will be destroyed with the enemies of GOD. If anyone doesn't believe it, OH WELL. Prove me wrong. The choice is yours. I know, I "choose" to follow the TRUTH, not the lies, the devil has been deceiving the world with.

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hey ron,
why dont you go to a site wrer all og that trash is intresting to someone. all i think of every tine you post is BLA BLA RACIST DEVIL BLA BLA

Fake ted and christy, Prove me wrong. The TRUTH hurts, doesn't it. HAHAHAHHA. Put up or shut up. It must be interesting to you, you keep responding after you said you were NOT going to respond any more. Since you can't prove me wrong. YOU get out of here, nobody wants to here your ignorance.

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the bible is gods word and no mere mortal has the right to assume what it means other than what it states. i'll blow up your theory, you say they were dark skinned? so every race is in except whites? what if they had a tan from being outside!!! oops, there goes your theory. you and your little cult are ignorant. don't tell me u don't know that because i looked it up and there are long nicknames and self named teachers sent by the lord, i mean u have generals there! anybody who is not familiar with ron, please excuse my stupid comments, but they make as much sense as this fool. jaunito ,you say you and ron have alot in common. please read his comments carefully. he is nuts!!!!! i don't think you two are the same at all. we both have opinions that differ, but we can have a debate. this nut is screaming death to all white people because they are the devil. he thinks the bible tells him that.you seem very level headed and i respect your opinions, so hopefully we can continue our debate, but as for ron..i'm done with that fool

oh by the way jaunito, my wife pointed out to me that what i wrote last night could be construde as racist remarks.know that it was poor choice of words. if you took it as racial remarks, it wasn't meant that way

HAHAHHAHA, TED can't prove me wrong and he calls me a fool. YOU are a fool if you believe, WHITES can be as dark as Blacks with a sun tan.

YOU just proved my theory I made in another topic on sohh, about whites hate us so much, but, they get tans to "TRY" to be black like us. WHY?? Because, you WHITES know, that it is a CURSE to be white. YOU whites get skin cancer or sunburn from the sun, because you are not genetically fit for this earth.

OH yeah TED,I'm about to destroy your "TAN theory". The tan you WHITES get from the sun only lasts a few days and then you are WHITE or RED again. Nice try dude, but, it's not gonna fly, HAHAHHA. Prove that God is white. Prove the Devil is not white. Put up or shut up, DEVIL.

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u did say indians were safe right? cause with a good tan i can get as dark wife

RON YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID!!!DON'T TELL ME YOU SOCIALIZE WITHIN OUR SOCIETY. I BET U AIN'T GOT A SINGLE FRIEND. YOU ARE SO DAMN NUTS.YOU SHOULD BE INSTITUTIONALIZED!! YOU ARE POISIN TO OUR CHILDREN. DO YOU HAVE A FAMILY, JOB, AND A NORMAL LIFE?

And when your tan goes away, you are back to white or red again. So your point is??

Eddie Murphy, was in make-up and looked like a white man on Saturday Night Live back in the day. However, Eddie murphy was still BLACK. Especially after he took the make-up OFF. Prove to me that GOD is WHITE. Prove the devil is not white. Put up or shut up, devil.

I thought you wasn't going to speak to me anymore. YOU told another lie, you can't help it, Lying is a DEVIL trait, to deceive people. HAHAHAHA.

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hey ron,
since you are trying to prove to everyone that god is black, i thought that i would help you out. why dont you go find hurricane rita. then you can e-mail me from where ever it is that you go. as for me or my husband proving somthing to you, we dont feel the need to certify such stupidity. god has no color in my mind. that could be because i see no color in anyone. it is a shame that the world is corrupted by the ignorance of people like you. i hope that if you have children, that they are not subject to your ranting.

one more thing. i have read the bible and i didnt see anything in there about there being any office buildings anywhere so how can you say that it wasnt a tan. i have a friend that works in construction and he is tan all year long. now what???

You just can't prove it, that's why. So shut up and get outta here.

I thought you weren't going to say anything else to me TED & Christy or whatever other characters you create.

It doesn't matter what you think. It's what you can PROVE. Prove God has no color, Prove God is white. Put up or shut up devil.

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Liar, liar, pants on fire. HAHAHAHA

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hey ron
is your middle mame JESUS?
just wondering....

Is your name JESUS??

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im not judging anyone...
just stating the obvious

Sure you're not judging anyone. AHAHAHAHA.

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cat got your tongue???
thats what i thought

Prove it. HAHAHAHA

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RON STOP, YOU ARE EMBARRESSING ME.AMEN.

HAHAHAHA, now you are playing GOD. THE DEVIL never ceases to amaze me. PROVE IT. HAHAHAHA

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u have gone from ignorant to insane.goodbye!

Good Riddens, Ignorant DEVIL. HAHAHAHAHA

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Body: PLEASE PASS THIS ON!!!

Police officers working with the DARE program has issued this
warning: If you are driving after dark and see an on-coming car with no headlights on, DO NOT FLASH YOUR LIGHTS AT THEM!!!

This is a common Bloods gang member "initiation game" that goes like this:

The new gang member under initiation drives along with no
headlights, and the first car to flash their headlights at him is
now his "target". He is now required to turn around and chase that
car, then shoot and kill every individual in the vehicle in
order to complete his initiation requirements.

Police Depts across the nation are being warned that September
23rd and 24th is the "blood" initiation weekend. Their intent is
to have all the new bloods nation wide drive around on Friday and
Saturday nights with their headlights off. In order to be
accepted into the gang, they have to shoot and kill all
individuals in the first auto that does a courtesy flash to warn
them that their lights are off. Make sure you share this
information with all the drivers in your family!

Please forward this message to all your friends and family members
to inform them about this initiation ritual. You can
save someone's life if you heed to this warning.

Please pass this on:

Here's some more proof from the BIBLE, that, GOD and the Israelites/Jews are Black.

Job 30:30: "My skin is BLACK upon me, and my bones are burned with heat".

YOU can't get any clearer than that. That verse CLEARLY says, "My skin is BLACK".

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If racism didn't exist in Amerikkka then why do we still have pictures in churches with a pale blue-eyed Jesus? White people don't want to state the obvious. It's racism to show that the whiteman is G0D fearing people by showing us this blue eyed pale face Jesus. I didn't even go to see The Christ because the movie is not factual about Jesus. A lot of us with knowledge of self think this way because The Creator has given us the determination to seek the truth about our people. We were kings and queens and we ruled. It's nothing that a blue eyed devil minister, priest, or preacher can tell me about my existence here on Planet Earth.

If racism didn't exist in Amerikkka then why do we still have pictures in churches with a pale blue-eyed Jesus? White people don't want to state the obvious. It's racism to show that the whiteman is G0D fearing people by showing us this blue eyed pale face Jesus. I didn't even go to see The Christ because the movie is not factual about Jesus. A lot of us with knowledge of self think this way because The Creator has given us the determination to seek the truth about our people. We were kings and queens and we ruled. It's nothing that a blue eyed devil minister, priest, or preacher can tell me about my existence here on Planet Earth.

Kanye West article:
http://think.com.my/review.cfm?rev_ID=91

I just had a quick comment about the gentleman (Tim I think), who said that Hispanics should learn English because they live in America. Last time I checked, America didn't have an official language. Plus, plenty of Americans go to other countries, and expect people to speak some sort of English. Why is that?

Some interesting comments by Ron. I would like to respond to a few...

{{The LORD is using these hurricanes to destroy America, just as prophesized in the bible.}}

Is this really found in the Bible? Could Ron cite some verses? I'd like to see if this is really found in the Bible, or if this is merely an example of poor exegesis.

{{George Bush should go back to the caucus mountains, where he came from.}}

I thought Ron endorsed the Israelite Church of God and Jesus Christ [ICGJC] (e.g. he keeps posting their url: theholyconceptionunit.org). I thought they teach that George Bush is a semite, who ultimately comes from West Asia (i.e. the so-called Middle East). Is that wrong?

{{Make sure you are reading the "King James" Bible, not the new testament or any other reprinted versions of the bible.}}

Read the King James Bible, but not the New Testament? Did Ron forget that the New Testament is part of the King James Bible? Furthermore, Ron seems to side with the ICGJC in their KJV-only approach, but the translation is far from perfect. Some problems with the KJV are noted in this thread:

http://www.afrochat.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3962

The thread also includes a discussion between myself and members of the ICGJC (the church Ron endorses).

{{"His head and his hair were white like wool(which is a black persons hair texture, whites have straight or stringy hair)}}

This is an odd interpretation. The text says the hair is like wool, but in the sense that it is WHITE. In other words, it is like wool in terms of color. It does not make any reference to texture. However, the one passage I know of that does seem to have a clear implication of hair texture also happens to mention goats, that being Genesis 27:5-22, and the story is quite interesting. While I'm skeptical about the intentions of the author of this passage, it is nonetheless the case that a literal reading of the text gives the strong impression that Esau had hair that felt like goat hair. However, if we take that route, notice in verse 11, Jacob notes that the difference between himself and Esau is that Esau is hairy. If Jacob had "hair like wool" and Esau had hair like goat fur, wouldn't that also be a key difference worth noting? Yet it is never made mention of! No indication is given that Jacob has a different textured hair from Esau (and being that they were twins, it is not a bad guess that they might have had the same textured hair). Worse yet, in verse 16 Rebecca put goat skins on Jacob's hands and on the "smooth" part of his neck (the Hebrew gives the implication that this was the part of his neck that had no hair), so that he would resemble Esau to the touch of the blind Isaac. Now this raises yet another question: if Jacob had hair like wool rather than like goat fur, why was the goat fur only applied to his hairless parts? Considering how close one's neck is to the hair on one's head, if they thought Isaac's hand might wander that high (i.e. all the way to the neck), why didn't Rebecca make him wear a goat fur helmet as well? Why were they worried about Isaac touching the smooth part of Jacob's neck, but not his head? All of this gives the strong impression that Jacob's hair was not different from Esau's hair (hence the reason only his non-hairy parts were covered), which, again, seems sensible in light of the fact that they were twins. How does Ron explain or interpret this passage?

{{if you burn anything it will be Black NOT White}}

Ron shows his ignorance regarding metals. If you burn bass in a furnace, it glows, and then when it cools it has the same color (a golden color). This is how brass instruments are made: they are put in a furnace to be melted or softened, and then shaped.

{{OK, you can't get any clearer than that last verse. The Lord clearly is stating, that, the people who claim to be the Jews are NOT the Jews}}

Ron wrote the above regarding Revelations 2:9. But there are several people claiming to be Jews (including the members of Ron's Church!), so how does he just arbitrarily declare that the verses is referring to one group and not another?

{{Jesus, ONLY spoke to the Israelites/Jews in the nations, NO ONE ELSE.}}

Actually, in John 4, he offers salvation (i.e. "living water") to a non-Jewish woman, and Acts 10 (and the chapters that follow) is all about non-Jewish converts to the Christian faith. And the disciples making gentile converts is in keeping with Jesus' command in Matthew 28:19. And finally, let us not forget that Revelations speaks of people from all nations being saved.

OK, Let me respond.

{{The LORD is using these hurricanes to destroy America, just as prophesized in the bible.}}

"Is this really found in the Bible? Could Ron cite some verses? "

Ok, here are some verses that prove hurricanes and other natural disasters such as the Tsunami, Katrina and others will help destroy the earth in the last days, which is now:

Isa. 28:2 "Behold, the LORD hath a mighty strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a DESTROYING STORM, as a FLOOD of mighty WATERS OVERFLOWING, shall cast down to the earth with hand".

Wow, that verse sounds familiar, doesn't it. It should, it's talking about disasters that we are experiencing today, such as HURRICANES, FLOODS, Tsunami etc.

Jer. 25:32 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great WHIRLWIND shall be raised up from the COASTS of the EARTH".

Wow, from nation to nation. Sounds like the whole earth to me, which includes AMERICA. A Whirlwind is also called a Hurricane.

Jer. 30:23-24 also talk about these disasters that will come in the last days(the last sentence of Jer.30:24 says, "In the LATTER DAYS ye shall consider it").

Ok, those verses clearly prove these hurricanes, tsunamis and other natural disasters are helping destroy the earth in the last days(which is now).

{{Make sure you are reading the "King James" Bible, not the new testament or any other reprinted versions of the bible.}}

"Read the King James Bible, but not the New Testament? Did Ron forget that the New Testament is part of the King James Bible? Furthermore, Ron seems to side with the ICGJC in their KJV-only approach, but the translation is far from perfect. Some problems with the KJV are noted in this thread"

Ok, first off, there are NEW TESTAMENT ONLY Bibles on the market.

These New Testament Bibles, leave out the OLD Testament, which means it is NOT Complete. The true bible, which is the KJV has both the Old and New Testament.

It is leaving out the laws & testimony of the Bible, which are still in effect for us Israelites today. Which means that NT Only Bible is a false Bible.

Here's a scripture, proving the NT Only Bible is a false Bible.

Rev. 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of LIFE, and out of the holy city and from the things which are written in this book".

This verse is clearly saying, if you remove any words from the bible, you will be destroyed and will not get salvation in heaven(the holy city).

The NEW TESTAMENT BIBLE, takes away the Old testament scriptures, so it is a false Bible.

I also read your debate with the brothers from the ICGJC and I can see that they proved you wrong about the bad translation in the KJV.

They proved you don't "understand" the MYSTERY of the KJV and that you make your own interpretation or understanding of the KJV, which the LORD doesn't like.

Here's a verse to prove the Lord doesn't like it when you come to your own understanding of the bible.

Prov. 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding".

This verse means, that the bible is a MYSTERY. If a person is looking for a contradiction, instead of TRUTH in the bible, God will let YOU see a contradiction to punish you for disrespecting his word.

Which is not a "real" contradiction, it's what YOU, NOT GOD's People, consider a contridiction, because, YOU don't understand the mystery of the bible.

Here's another verse, that proves there is no truth in anyone who does not agree with the LORD's word.

Isa. 8:20 " To the law and to the testimony: If they speak NOT according to THIS word, it is because there is no light in them".

That verse clearly says, If you go against the word of GOD, there is no TRUTH(light) in them.

The brothers from the ICGJC also proved that you are trying to cause deceit and confusion amongst our people.

Of course YOU will deny this, however, YOU will not fool me with your deceit.

"{{"His head and his hair were white like wool(which is a black persons hair texture, whites have straight or stringy hair)}}

This is an odd interpretation. The text says the hair is like wool, but in the sense that it is WHITE. In other words, it is like wool in terms of color. It does not make any reference to texture."

Prove it was “only” talking about the color WHITE ONLY and NOT both the “texture” and “color” of wool, which is notty in texture, as well as, white in color.

If that's the case, why didn't the description say something like, his hair was WHITE like MILK??

I mean, the verse was only talking about the "color", NOT the "texture", according to YOU, right???

"{{if you burn anything it will be Black NOT White}}

Ron shows his ignorance regarding metals. If you burn bass in a furnace, it glows, and then when it cools it has the same color (a golden color)."

This shows your ignorance, because, it still doesn't turn WHITE either, does it??

Which was my point, proving GOD was NOT WHITE, like the phony WHITE pictures of GOD in the churches. And also proving, that, GOD is a spirit, BUT, he has a color.

If he had no color, wouldn't the description had said something like, I heard his voice in front of me and I felt his presence in front of me, however, I could see NOTHING in front of me, he was COLORLESS, I could see right thru him???

God and the Israelites were BLACK.

As far as the GLOWING IMAGE of GOD.

In movies and TV series, I have seen images of a BLACK person who has died and the special effects make them come back as a spirit and talk to someone who is alive.

Even though they are "Glowing" with bright lights around their whole body, their skin glowing as well, I can still clearly see, that, they are a BLACK spirit. NOT a WHITE SPIRIT.

Here's a verse proving that GOD and the Israelites/Jews were BLACK.

Job 30:30 "My SKIN is BLACK upon me, and my bones are burned with heat."

Can't get any clearer than that. The verse says, my skin is BLACK.

"{{OK, you can't get any clearer than that last verse. The Lord clearly is stating, that, the people who claim to be the Jews are NOT the Jews}}

Ron wrote the above regarding Revelations 2:9. But there are several people claiming to be Jews (including the members of Ron's Church!), so how does he just arbitrarily declare that the verses is referring to one group and not another?"

We TRUE Israelites are NOT a SYNAGOGUE. Therefore, WE can't be the FAKE JEWS(SYNAGOGUE of SATAN), the BIBLE is talking about.

The fake White Jews, belong to SYNAGOGUES. NOT US.

"{{Jesus, ONLY spoke to the Israelites/Jews in the nations, NO ONE ELSE.}}

Actually, in John 4, he offers salvation (i.e. "living water") to a non-Jewish woman, and Acts 10 (and the chapters that follow) is all about non-Jewish converts to the Christian faith. And the disciples making gentile converts is in keeping with Jesus' command in Matthew 28:19."

Actually John 4:22 says, " Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for SALVATION is of the JEWS".

This verse, clearly tells you that the LORD will give SALVATION to THE JEWS.

If it were meant for "all" the nations, to get SALVATION, Jesus would have said it. BUT, he didn't, he said SALVATION is for the JEWS.

Acts. 10:28 Also Tells us the Jews shouldn't be close to ANY person from the OTHER NATIONS.

Acts 10:28 "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an UNLAWFUL thing for a man that is a JEW to keep company, or come unto one of ANOTHER NATION:..."

That verse, clearly tells you, that, JEWS were not to be close to the OTHER NATIONS.

And finally, Matthew 28:19, is talking about the JEWS that were scattered in all the nations during the diaspora. It is talking about the Israelites in the OTHER NATIONS who didn't know they were really GOD"S people. So, they(JEWS ONLY) had to be TAUGHT the TRUTH.

John 7:35 proves this.

"Then said the JEWS among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the DISPERSED AMONG the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?".

The part that says, "DISPERSED AMONG the Gentiles", is talking about the JEWS scattered or dispersed among the OTHER NATIONS(Gentiles).

The part that says, "and teach the GENTILES", is talking about The JEWS who are labeled and THINK like the OTHER NATIONS(Gentiles).

It's similar to us Israelites in America, 'some" of us think like the WHITES(Gentiles, because they are not JEWS). And we are labeled, African American, instead of our real name, Israelites/Jews.

After reading your debate with the brothers from the ICGJC, I know you will disagree and you will probably turn my words around, However, I will not be fooled by YOU or anyone else teaching lies or confusion.

For all the Israelites who are believers out there, visit the website below and find out more about your history. If you are not a believer, OH WELL, go ahead and believe the lies and confusion.

http://www.theholyconceptionunit.org

Ron you have to read what I wrote about Three ?'s Not To Ask Kanye!

I seen it Sun God. I also posted my response to the ignorant non-believers.

Hopefully, some of our people will realize, we are the true Israelites/Jews in the BIBLE.

If not, OH Well, let them keep believing the lies of the devil.

http://www.theholyconceptionunit.org

I think y´all should Calm down. First of All i think some stupid "White" americans did not well with hiding the truth. The Truth is that you slaved those Black people. So if white people think that "Kanye should go home to afrika if he doesnt like bush or Amerika". 1. You don´t know wether KanYe likes bush or hates him..2. It´s his situation. He can´t change it. He can´t ship all his Black friends, his Family and the whole black crowd back to africa. Its impossible. White people brought him into this situation and they ´re telling that he should go back? YOU WERE STEELING THE GOLD, SILVER, DIAMONDS and STILL PLATINIUM AND TELLING HIM THAT HE SHOULD GO BACK? AFTER YOU DID THIS CRIME YOU WANT TO FORGET? Like MIKHAIL GORBATCHOW SAID ONCE:" WE DIDNT SUCCEED this WORLD FROM OUR PARENTS, WE borrowed this EARTH FROM OUR CHILDREN". That means that if we put ourselfs in guilty situations our Children will pay for it.
Shouldn´t we think about that aspect? Shouldn´t we think about the suffering slaves working 18 hours every day. I think we should. Don´t forget crimes of the past. Otherwise those will happen again. Don´t you think? If we forget those horrible crimes it happens again. And then we forget it again. And so on. This is the Wrong way. I guess all of those white american people are blinded by the media. This American Media tryes to kill the estimation of all people. They want to make 1 great estimation.This estimation should solve the problems and clear the way for another century full of Capitalism. I think america´s path was the wrong one. A state build on the blood of strangers can´t be blessed. I don´t think those "COWBOY WESTERN HEROS" were thinking of global warming, a conscience or something like that. They tryed to aim at the target and solve the problem with a bullet. That´s all. Don´t think at the future. Just think about you. Don´t think about the future. That might be wrong because that would bring conscience in your deeds. Let your deeds be evil but hide it. Thats the way white people are thinking. Some of them might not but the most of them do.No, im not Black. No ted, im not Jew. I´m an ordinary german Student who thinks like this. We got liberal TV. WE GOT DEMOCRACY. YOU JUST ACT LIKE IT WOULD BE DEMOCRACY. You can call me nazi. You can call me hitler. You can find me guilty for genocide Jew. This was past. I apolpgize. We still do. Paying money to Israel. Checks. A reputed good Deed full of bad conscience. We don´t forget what happened. We build memorials for the Jews. We won´t forget. But you, you´re trying to forget. You try to draw off the attention to the Terrorism affair or to the Iraq etc. . It happens. Quite often. Black kids get discrimated by white kids. Because the white kids´ parents tought so. It STILL happens. YOU DON´T pay money for it. YOU DONT EVEN APOLOGIZE it. no, thats not all: And if you would bring it to an end, HOW MUCH MONEY YOU COULD Pay? For 400 years Discrimination? It´s priceless. God don´t forget things like that. Even if he registered since immemorial. He won´t. He will punish you for that. Y´all know it. He will. And you will suffer. But you´re trying to hide that. Even that. You´re poor. very poor. I take pity on you. I´m sorry for you. Your self esteam is so low. You have to own the media. Otherwise you would break down thanks to your own guiltiness and your own lack of conscience and your own
lack of self esteam and your own despair of your poor existence.

Good night..

get fuked all u cunts who be baggin kanye. he is a good honest man who has donated over 30 million to the plight of the southern states. The demographics prove that government funding is drastically reduced to blacks and george bush doesnt care about black people ok

peace and much love...chachi

Okay, first, regarding the hurricanes, I thought you were going to provide something tangible. Note that in the 2-3000+ years since those verses have been written, there have been many large hurricanes or tsunamis that have wreaked destruction on different people. It is a bit of a stretch to say that a vague reference in the Bible to destructive weather is proof that the recent hurricanes and tsunamis are signs of the end times. This is as silly as people today who always say "ooh look, 'wars and rumors of wars' - that's right now!" (as if there hasn't always been wars and rumors of wars).

Regarding Revelations 22:19, what does "this prophecy" refer to? Do you believe it refers to the entire Bible? If so, why? Does it include the apocrypha? If so, what is your opinion on the exclusion of the apocrypha from the King James Bible?

{{ also read your debate with the brothers from the ICGJC and I can see that they proved you wrong about the bad translation in the KJV.}}

They proved nothing of the sort. They only showed their ignorance regarding Hebrew. And the fact that you would so boldy and baldly make this false statement shows that you either (a) did not read the thread, or (b) were not able to understand the discussion.

And your answer on the subject of these poorly translated verses totally avoids the subject. I'm not surprised that you have no answer for the actual examples given (such as Deuteronomy 28:68, 2 Peter 1:1, Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8, Deuteronomy 33:17, Job 39:9, Job 39:10, Psalms 22:21, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10, and Isaiah 34:7). Can you imagine if you pointed to a poorly translated verse in the NIV, and a defender of the NIV, instead of trying to defend the textual integrity of the translation, went on a rant about how you're not allowed to speak on the issue? The arguments have been presented, and that is what should be focused on.

{{The brothers from the ICGJC also proved that you are trying to cause deceit and confusion amongst our people.}}

Do you have an example of such to provide? Since you're claiming they have proven this, obviously you can cite an example, right?

{{Prove it was “only” talking about the color WHITE ONLY and NOT both the “texture” and “color” of wool, which is notty in texture, as well as, white in color.}}

It is interesting that you have shifted the burden of proof. The point remains that you were the one who claimed it is a reference to texture, when in reality that is not explicit. It states it is "white like wool". White is not a texture; it is a color. It is like if it said "red like an apple" - that does not mean like an apple in shape or texture. Simple logic.

Regarding brass burned in a furnace...

{{{This shows your ignorance, because, it still doesn't turn WHITE either, does it?}}}

How does this show my ignorance? Did I make any claims about Jesus being white? This is a convenient straw man on your part. I never claimed Jesus was white or that this description meant to depict him as such. I was merely showing the problem with a particular claim in your post.

Regarding Job 30:30, it fits nicely with Job 30:28 (though you can't catch it if you hinge everything on the KJV). Verse 28 is also a *possible* reference to darkened skin (i.e. another translation is along the lines of him having darkened, though not due to the sun, cf. the QDR root). Regardless, this seems to be a description of an affliction, not something being praised, and apparently not something natural to his regular state.

{{We TRUE Israelites are NOT a SYNAGOGUE.}}

The relevant verse does not hinge it on them being part of a synagogue. It simply states that a certain group claiming "we are Jews" are really a "synagogue of satan". Therefore the possibility that your group is included within that remains! Furthermore, are you saying those people who attend synagogue are necessarily included in that? How would you reconcile this with the fact that the early disciples attended synagogues (back when Christianity was still part of Judaism)?

{{Actually John 4:22 says, " Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for SALVATION is of the JEWS".}}

What that proves is that the woman he was speaking to was a NON-Jew. Now see verse 10, which has Jesus say to the same woman "If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." In verse 14 he explains that the "living water" that is available even to her is everlasting life (i.e. salvation).

{{{Acts. 10:28 Also Tells us the Jews shouldn't be close to ANY person from the OTHER NATIONS.}}}

Which shows that the people Peter was speaking to were non-Jews, hence Cornelius was NOT an Israelite. And when you quoted Acts 10:28, you clearly left out the part where he says "BUT God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." The whole of Acts 10 is about Jews, who did not associate with non-Jews, being given a revelation from God that non-Jews can receive salvation. This is why in verse 35, Peter concludes that men from every nation are able to receive salvation if they fear God (and the Greek text employs the word "ethnei" from ethnos, which is where we get out word "ethnicity" from - men from every ethnicity, including Italians like Cornelius, can receive salvation).

By the way, why not comment on Genesis 27:5-22?

HAHAHAHA, as expected, Abu has tried to change my words around and since he can't "understand" the mystery of the bible, Abu thinks that it is flawed.

Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.

If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??

He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW

He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.

Abu makes up his own interpretation of Acts 10:28-35

Here's Acts 10:36 "The word which GOD sent unto the children of ISRAEL, preaching, peace by Jesus Christ(he is Lord of all:)"

This verse clearly says the word of GOD was sent to the children of Israel.

Which means, he is Lord to ALL of THE Israelites/Jews. Including the Jews Scattered or Dispersed among the OTHER NATIONS(gentiles).

I proved that, with this statement below, in my last thread.

John 7:35 proves this.

"Then said the JEWS among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the DISPERSED AMONG the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?".

The part that says, "DISPERSED AMONG the Gentiles", is talking about the JEWS scattered or dispersed among the OTHER NATIONS(Gentiles).

The part that says, "and teach the GENTILES", is talking about The JEWS who are labeled and THINK like the OTHER NATIONS(Gentiles).

It's similar to us Israelites in America, 'some" of us think like the WHITES(Gentiles, because they are not JEWS). And we are labeled, African American, instead of our real name, Israelites/Jews.

ABU wrote:

"What that proves is that the woman he was speaking to was a NON-Jew. Now see verse 10, which has Jesus say to the same woman "If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water." In verse 14 he explains that the "living water" that is available even to her is everlasting life (i.e. salvation)."

Abu is right, The woman is NOT a JEW. So, she did NOT get SALVATION from the LORD. Why "didn't" she get SALVATION?? Because, she was NOT a JEW.

Abu just proved, the JEWS get Salvation from the LORD, NOT the OTHER NATIONS. Which is what I had said in the first place. HAHAHAHAHA

The part of John 4:10 that says, "If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water."

Proves, that if the she was one of GOD's people(a JEW), she would have knew the "Gift of the LORD" and Jesus would have given her SALVATION.

Which proves, she wasn't A JEW, so Jesus, didn't give her SALVATION. Which still proves, SALVATION is of the Israelites/Jews ONLY. Which is proven in verse 22.

John 4:22, " Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for SALVATION is of the JEWS".

This verse, clearly tells you that the LORD will give SALVATION to THE JEWS.

If it were meant for "all" the nations, to get SALVATION, Jesus would have said it. BUT, he didn't, he said SALVATION is for the JEWS.

"Regarding Job 30:30, it fits nicely with Job 30:28 (though you can't catch it if you hinge everything on the KJV). Verse 28 is also a *possible* reference to darkened skin (i.e. another translation is along the lines of him having darkened, though not due to the sun, cf. the QDR root)."

Notice ABU says "POSSIBLE". Which proves, that, ABU, doesn't "Know" the mystery of the KJV and has to come to his OWN UNDERSTANDING, which the Lord doesn't like.

Here's a verse to prove the Lord doesn't like it when you come to your own understanding of the bible.

Prov. 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding".

This verse means, that the bible is a MYSTERY. If a person is looking for a "contradiction", instead of TRUTH in the bible, God will let YOU see a contradiction to punish YOU for disrespecting his word.

Which is not a "real" contradiction, it's what YOU, consider a contridiction, because, YOU don't understand the mystery of the bible.

Which is why ABU makes his OWN UNDERSTANDING, which I proved, the LORD doesn't LIKE.

Here's another verse, that proves there is no truth in anyone who does not agree with the LORD's word.

Isa. 8:20 " To the law and to the testimony: If they speak NOT according to THIS word, it is because there is no light in them".

That verse clearly says, If you go against the word of GOD, there is no TRUTH(light) in them.

So, as you can see, ABU is not credible, because, he comes to his own understanding of the Bible and he goes against God's word. Which means ABU has no "truth/light" in him. Which means ABU is IGNORANT or Foolish.

This is what the Lord say's about an ignorant person, going against his word.

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

That verse, clearly says, let the Ignorant, continue to be Ignorant against GOD.

Meaning, if a person like ABU, has his mind made up to be ignorant against GOD'S word, Let him continue to be ignorant against GOD's word.

WHY?? Because, no matter how much PROOF you show an ignorant person, like ABU, they will not BELIEVE YOU.

It is similar to a Criminal, who has been in and out of jail and has made his mind up to Steal from you.

You can tell that criminal, it is wrong to steal from you and his life of crime will put him in jail or get him hurt or killed on the street or in prison.

However, that, Criminal's mind is already made up to steal from you.

No matter what you say or prove, that, criminal will steal from you anyway, because, his "ignorant" mind is already made up to steal from you. So, it makes no sense to try and talk, that, criminal out of stealing from you. It just won't work.

Again, Abu will disagree with me and will probably try to change my words and the LORD'S word around again.

The brothers from the ICGJC also proved, that, you are trying to cause deceit and confusion amongst our people, by coming to your "own understanding" of the Bible, which is IGNORANT/FOOLISH and going against the word of GOD.

"One" of the reasons, the brothers stopped talking to you, on the other thread, was because of this verse.

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

Another reason they stopped answering you, was, because of this verse.

Prov. 26:4 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be be like unto him".

This verse clearly says, not to answer a "Fool" according to "his own Foolishness/Ignorance", because, YOU, will look, just as Foolish or Ignorant as him.

ABU already admitted, he doesn't KNOW what the authors intention or the meaning of the scriptures was, so, it is TRUE, ABU is Ignorant or a FOOL, by going against GOD'S word, which he(ABU) doesn't UNDERSTAND. He(ABU) "doesn't understand" the mystery of the KJV. Which means, he is NOT credible.

Of course, ABU will disagree with this and will probably try to change it around to his benefit, however, ABU will not fool me or the TRUE believers, with his deceit and ignorance.

http://www.theholyconceptionunit.org

{{{since he can't "understand" the mystery of the bible, Abu thinks that it is flawed.}}}

That hasn't been my argument at all. On the contrary, I understand the Hebrew and Greek languages (though much more so Hebrew), and thus I can recognize when a sentence from these languages has been poorly translated. Such examples exist within the KJV.

I laid out some clear arguments about flawed translations in the KJV, and Ron avoided them all together, and instead opted to fallaciously poison the well. But let me make this more clear. Here again is the thread listing some poorly translated verses in the KJV:

http://www.afrochat.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3962

But let us focus on one example specifically: Deuteronomy 33:17. There one finds the Hebrew word r'em, which refers to a sort of wild buffalo or ox, but the KJV consistently translates as "unicorn" (does anyone really believe unicorns exist?). Anyway, Deuteronomy 33:17 refers to qarnei r'em, which means horns (plural) of a r'em (singular). The grammar clearly shows that a single one of these animals has more than one horn, thus it is not a unicorn by any stretch of the imagination. The argument is clear: the KJV has bungled this translation.

This argument should stand on its own, but Ron tries to obfuscate the issue by switching the subject to whether or not I act according to the word of God. If I write the argument above, and a completely different person, an Israelite, employs the exact same argument, is the argument different based on who said it? No, thus the argument should be confonted regardless who put it forth.

{{{Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.}}}

This is a fallacy on two different fronts: shifting the burden of proof and erecting a straw man. First, I never claimed that "there is no way God's hair was both notty and white like wool". I was merely taking issue with Ron's unfounded conclusion. To demonstrate this, let's recap. Ron originally wrote the following:

{{"His head and his hair were white like wool(which is a black persons hair texture, whites have straight or stringy hair)}}

My response was as follows:

{{This is an odd interpretation. The text says the hair is like wool, but in the sense that it is WHITE. In other words, it is like wool in terms of color. It does not make any reference to texture.}}

So, let's lay this out in a clear pattern:

(1) Ron claimed "white like wool" is a reference to texture.
(2) I objected that "white" is a color, and that a reference to texture is not explicit in the text.
(3) Ron calls for me to prove it is NOT a reference to texture.

Ron made the claim but when it is argued that the evidence for his claim is not yet apparent, he demands that others prove his claim is not true. I'm sorry Ron, but the rule of thumb is 'he who asserts must prove.' You're the one making the claim, thus it is incumbent upon you to provide evidence, and thus far you have provided none.

Also note that Ron has yet again avoided what I wrote about Genesis 27:5-22. Did Esau and Jacob have the same hair texture? If not, why did Jacob's mother only cover her son's *NON*-hairy parts?

{{{He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.}}}

Once again, this is an example of shifting the burden of proof. Ron claimed Revelations 2:9 is a reference to today's white Jews, and yet no he demands that I prove it is not. We're still waiting for him to provide evidence, and he has yet to do so. And he didn't answer this question which I asked him previously: "Furthermore, are you saying those people who attend synagogue are necessarily included in that? How would you reconcile this with the fact that the early disciples attended synagogues (back when Christianity was still part of Judaism)?"

Regarding Acts 10, Ron merely repeated what he had already written rather than confront what was offered in response. Acts 10:28 CLEARLY shows that Peter was speaking to non-Jews (i.e. that Cornelius was not a Jew), and the chapter as a whole is about salvation being opened to Cornelius and others like him (i.e. to the gentiles).

Now, regarding John 4, Ron admits that the woman Jesus was speaking to was NOT a Jew. And Jesus said to a non-Jew: if you were to ask, living water would be given to you. The conclusion is clear, salvation is open even to non-Jews. Ron says she doesn't get salvation, but the text never says that. That's his own private interpretation. What is clear is that Jesus said to a non-Jew that if she has asked for a drink he would have given her living water (i.e. eternal life).

For more, note that Rev 7:4-8 speaks of the 144,000 who were "sealed," and they're all Israelites, but then in the verses that immediately follow speak of a much greater multitude from all nations, people, kindred, et cetera. Rev 14:6 states that an angel would preach the everlasting gospel to every people, nation, et cetera on earth. The saved from other nations will be in this final heavenly city (Rev 21:24), and the tree of life will be there, with 12 types of fruit (obviously for the 12 tribes), while the leaves will be for the other nations (Rev 22:2). I think it is fairly clear that the Bible teaches that non-Israelites can and will receive salvation.

Regarding Job 30:28-30...

{{{Notice ABU says "POSSIBLE". Which proves, that, ABU, doesn't "Know" the mystery of the KJV and has to come to his OWN UNDERSTANDING, which the Lord doesn't like.}}}

No, "possible" was a result of different translations being possible for the Qof-Dalet-Reysh root in Hebrew, which is employed in Job 30:28. Hebrew is more three dimensional than English, and thus a given verb root can have multiple meanings. What is at issue here is the KJV failing to capture the variant meanings of the text (which is one of the problems with relying only on a translation rather than consulting the original texts).

HAHAHAHAHA, as expected Abu is trying to change words around again, because he can't prove me wrong.

Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.

If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??

He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW

He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.

Abu still can't prove the woman in John 4:10 received Salvation.

But Abu did prove Jesus said if she was A Jew and knew the "Gift of God", Jesus would have gave her SALVATION.

No where does it say, that, JESUS, gave her SALVATION. BUT it is clear JESUS, said the SALVATION is for the JEWS, which is in John 4:22

Here's the proof:

John 4:22, " Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for SALVATION is of the JEWS".

That verse clearly says, Salvation is for the JEWS. If it was for "ALL" the nations, Jesus would have said it. But he didn't. So, it proves that SALVATION is for the JEWS only.

No matter what ABU say's, Abu can't change the fact, that, he doesn't understand or know the meanings of, the KJV. Which mean, ABU is Ignorant or Foolish to the meaning and Mystery of the KJV, which Abu already admitted in the earlier post.

To even further prove ABU is ignorant or a Fool, when it comes to understanding the KJV, here is what Abu wrote:

ABU Wrote:
["No, "possible" was a result of different translations being possible for the Qof-Dalet-Reysh root in Hebrew, which is employed in Job 30:28. "]

Abu clearly is saying "possible translations", because, he does NOT know the TRUE translation of the KJV scriptures, yet Abu is trying to debate or teach me KJV scriptures, that, he(ABU) doesn't know anything about. Which is definately something an Ignorant Fool would do.

It is similar to a person who knows nothing about being an auto mechanic, trying to teach or debate, someone who is a certified auto mechanic.

So, as you can see, ABU is both Ignorant and a Fool.

And there are 2 verses that I posted in my last post, that, tell you what the Lord thinks of Both a Ignorant man and a man who is a FOOL. I will repost it below.

This is what the Lord say's about an ignorant person, going against his word.

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

That verse, clearly says, let the Ignorant, continue to be Ignorant against GOD.

Meaning, if a person like ABU, has his mind made up to be ignorant against GOD'S word, Let him continue to be ignorant against GOD's word.

WHY?? Because, no matter how much PROOF you show an ignorant person, like ABU, they will not BELIEVE YOU.

It is similar to a Criminal, who has been in and out of jail and has made his mind up to Steal from you.

You can tell that criminal, it is wrong to steal from you and his life of crime will put him in jail or get him hurt or killed on the street or in prison.

However, that, Criminal's mind is already made up to steal from you.

No matter what you say or prove, that, criminal will steal from you anyway, because, his "ignorant" mind is already made up to steal from you. So, it makes no sense to try and talk, that, criminal out of stealing from you. It just won't work.

Here is the scripture telling you why not to answer a fool like Abu:

Prov. 26:4 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be be like unto him".

This verse clearly says, not to answer a "Fool" according to "his own Foolishness/Ignorance", because, YOU, will look, just as Foolish or Ignorant as him.

ABU already admitted, he doesn't KNOW what the authors intention or the meaning of the scriptures was, so, it is TRUE, ABU is Ignorant or a FOOL, by going against GOD'S word, which he(ABU) doesn't UNDERSTAND. He(ABU) "doesn't understand" the mystery of the KJV. Which means, he is NOT credible.

So, I will excercise what the Lord says, By both letting Abu stay ignorant against GOD's word and not answering Abu's questions, which is "according to his own Ignorance or Foolishness".

Let us play a game. Let us watch, how many times Abu will come back to teach or debate about God's word, which is the KJV Bible, that, ABU admittedly does NOT understand and know the meaning of.

And when he does do this, I will repeat one or maybe more of the scriptures that prove that he is a fool or ignorant and what the lord tells us to do with an ignorant person or a fool.

I will do this so the people out here, who, want to know the truth, can watch Abu fulfill the prophecy of an Ignorant Fool, that was prophesized in the KJV.

But you must not tell ABU, otherwise, he may not continue to show his ignorance.

Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant . Enjoy

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This is for the people truly seeking the truth.

The fake Jews in the Synagogues, don't believe in JESUS. Which means, they REJECT JESUS.

If the fake Jews in the "synagogues" REJECT JESUS, How will they get the LORD'S SALVATION??

Who do the fake Jews in the synagogues, worship, if they don't believe in JESUS??

You guessed it, they worship SATAN.

Which makes them(the fake Jews in the SYNAGOGUES) the "SYNAGOGUE of SATAN", that Rev. 2:9 is talking about.

Here's the verse that proves what I just said.

Rev.2:9: "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty,(but thou art rich) and I know the "blasphemy" of "them" which say "they" are "Jews", and are "NOT", but "ARE" the "synagogue of SATAN".

OK, you can't get any clearer than that last verse. The Lord clearly is stating, that, the people who claim to be the Jews are NOT the Jews, BUT, are the SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.

Which race of people claim to be the JEWS?? You guessed it, WHITE PEOPLE.

Who is SATAN?? If you answered the DEVIL, you are correct.

These fake White Jews in America have synagogues, don't they?? Yes they do.

And, these fake JEWS in the Synagogues, don't believe in JESUS, which means they REJECT JESUS.

Well, the Lord is clearly telling you, they(fake white jews) are the "Synagogue of SATAN", which is THE DEVIL.

WHY? Because, if they don't believe in Jesus, they will NOT get SALVATION.

We TRUE Israelites/Jews believe in Jesus and we are NOT a SYNAGOGUE, so, WE can't be the 'SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN", Rev. 2:9 is talking about.

OK, back to the game. Let us watch, this FOOL Abu, continue to be ignorant as I said in the last post. Enjoy!!

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{{{Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.}}}

Ron seems intend on shifting the burden of proof and pushing his straw man arguments. Again, I never said that there is no way God's hair was wooly in texture. I never made any claims about what God's hair was like. I was actually only noting the poor nature of Ron's argument. I certainly don't have to prove a claim I never made.

For example, suppose a Christian says "the Bible is the word of God because my father says so" and another person says "that's a bad argument". The second person did not claim that the Bible is /NOT/ the word of God; rather he simply noted the poor argument.

To tie this analogy in with the issue of wooly hair and Revelations 1:14-15, Ron claimed the phrase "white like wool" means the hair has the texture of wool. I noted that texture is not explicitly mentioned in the verse (rather this is Ron's private interpretation), and that "white" is a color. In short, my point was that Ron's argument is poor, and I did not make any positive assertion about what some deity's hair actually is like. Ron, on the other hand, did make a positive claim (that "white like wool" is necessarily a reference to texture as well as color), and he has provided no evidence for this claim.

{{{He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW}}}

Same issue. Ron was the one who claimed those passages are referring to today, and he has yet to provide evidence for that claim. The burden of proof is on him.

{{{He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.}}}

Once again, being that Ron was the one who made the claim, it is incumbent upon him to provide evidence. And notice that Ron totally avoided the question about whether he believes attending synagogue makes one fall under this description.

{{{Abu still can't prove the woman in John 4:10 received Salvation.}}}

I never said she received salvation. I said John 4:10 clearly has Jesus stating that it is available to her. And John 4:39-41 has Jesus staying with the Samaritans two more days and many becoming believers as a result. There is no indication that salvation is not open to them, and as was noted in my previous post, Revelations has many non-Israelite converts from every nation, tribe, ethnicity, et cetera.

{{{Abu clearly is saying "possible translations", because, he does NOT know the TRUE translation of the KJV scriptures}}}

Actually, Ron is wrong, and he is merely behaving as a monolingual type who does not know other languages would. To inform Ron, the Hebrew language is more three dimensional than the English language, and thus a given word can often have multiple possible meanings. Thus referring to what is possible pertains to the original Hebrew text, while Ron is trapped in a single translation (when in reality translations are merely interpretations that only show one of a myriad of possible meanings).

{{{Abu is trying to debate or teach me KJV scriptures, that, he(ABU) doesn't know anything about. Which is definately something an Ignorant Fool would do. It is similar to a person who knows nothing about being an auto mechanic, trying to teach or debate, someone who is a certified auto mechanic.}}}

This is a rather bold claim, but the implication is that Ron /is/ an expert on the Bible and the intention of the author in a given verse. On what grounds should we believe this is true? Does Ron simply expect others to take his word for it? Furthermore, a person who actually understands Semitic languages (such as Hebrew and Aramaic) is not going to consider a monolingual type who only knows English to be an authority on the text of the Hebrew Bible.

Oh, and Ron keeps posting Proverbs 26:4. On a side note relevant to this verse, the very next verse (Proverbs 26:5) says the exact opposite in the KJV. Years ago I attended a lecture at a masjid in my area, and a speaker, berating the Bible, called this "the dumbest contradiction in the Bible". I won't be so harsh, and will instead note that this shows that no rule of the Bible is necessarily a hard and fast rule that transcends all temporal conditions.

{{{ABU already admitted, he doesn't KNOW what the authors intention or the meaning of the scriptures was}}}

That's called intellectual honesty. Not everyone behaves as Ron does, trying to bluff and *PRETEND* like they're an authority on a text they've never really read (Ron, not knowing Hebrew, can't ever have an even remotely serious interaction with the text of the Hebrew Bible).

Oh, and Ron continues to be wholly silent on the arguments showing problematic translations in his beloved KJV. The reason why is obvious: he is incapable of mounting a response.

HAHAHAHAHA, as expected folks, Abu is back with his ignorance again.

Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.

If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??

He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW

He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.

Abu still can't prove the woman in John 4:10 received Salvation. Which would prove salvation could be given to the Other nations besides the JEWS.

Abu clearly is saying "possible translations", because, he does NOT know the TRUE translation of the KJV scriptures

He can't prove me wrong so he continues to try and change my words around or the scriptures word around, with his own understanding. Which we proved the lord doesn't like.

Prov. 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding".

This verse means, that the bible is a MYSTERY. If a person is looking for a "contradiction", instead of TRUTH in the bible, God will let YOU see a contradiction to punish YOU for disrespecting his word.

Which is not a "real" contradiction, it's what YOU, consider a contridiction, because, YOU don't understand the mystery of the bible.

Which is why ABU makes his OWN UNDERSTANDING, which I proved, the LORD doesn't LIKE.

No matter what Abu says, he can't change the fact, that, He doesn't know the mystery or the meaning of the scriptures in the KJV, Yet Abu is trying to teach and debate me on the KJV Bible, which Abu admits, he doesn't understand.

You can't be serious. As I said in my last post, Only a FOOL would do that.

It is similar to a person who knows nothing about being an auto mechanic, trying to teach or debate, someone who is a certified auto mechanic. It just don't make sense. Which makes the person, who is NOT a mechanic a FOOL.

Abu is fulfilling the prophecy of this verse below:

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

That verse, clearly says, let the Ignorant, continue to be Ignorant against GOD.

Meaning, if a person like ABU, has his mind made up to be ignorant against GOD'S word, Let him continue to be ignorant against GOD's word.

WHY?? Because, no matter how much PROOF you show an ignorant person, like ABU, they will not BELIEVE YOU.

It is similar to a Criminal, who has been in and out of jail and has made his mind up to Steal from you.

You can tell that criminal, it is wrong to steal from you and his life of crime will put him in jail or get him hurt or killed on the street or in prison.

However, that, Criminal's mind is already made up to steal from you.

No matter what you say or prove, that, criminal will steal from you anyway, because, his "ignorant" mind is already made up to steal from you. So, it makes no sense to try and talk, that, criminal out of stealing from you. It just won't work.

It is also similar to this:

Abu asks me, "What does 2+2 equal?"

And I respond, "2+2 = 4"(which we know is the correct answer)

Then Abu says, "why does it equal 4?"

And I say, "If you take 2 apples and you add 2 more apples, you will have 4 apples."

Then Abu says, "That isn't true, because, I understand the Hebrew language, which is 3 dimensional and it is "Possible"(Not a fact, but POSSIBLE),
that 2+2 equals 10 million apples in EVERY language."

I say, "No 2+2 = 4, not 10 million

Then Abu says, " Well, you are using the english text, I'm using the Hebrew text, which says, it is "possible", that, 2+2= 10 million, in EVERY language".

Do you see where I'm going with this folks??

No matter how much proof I show Abu, that, 2+2=4, Abu's ignorant mind is made up to believe 2+2= 10 million in Every language, because, of Abu's "own understanding".

So, it makes no sense to continue to argue with him on that issue. His mind is made up. It is best to let him stay ignorant.

Abu's only purpose here, is to deceive our people, by going against the Lord's word and causing confusion.

How does Abu cause this confusion and deceit?? Abu does this by, making his "own understanding" of the KJV, which we proved the Lord is against in Prov. 3:5.

OK, folks, let us watch how many times Abu will come back and try to teach or debate on the KJV Bible, which, Abu admits he knows nothing about.

Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant. Enjoy!!

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{{{Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.}}}

He who asserts must prove. I never asserted that 'there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool', therefore I don't see why I should have to prove it. Ron, on the other hand, claimed that "white like wool" is a reference to texture, and has yet to provide any evidence for that claim. I guess he was hoping others would simply take his word for it and accept private interpretations without question.

{{{If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??}}}

I'm sorry, why are you putting "only" in quotation marks? When did I use the word "only"? Seems like a straw man argument to me. But to answer your question, let me ask a (rhetorical) question of my own:

Does the statement "white like milk" meand the thing bearing this adjective has a texture like milk? Of course not. So on what grounds does Ron argue that the logical structure "white like x" means that the object bearing such a predicate therefore has the texture of x? The milk example shows that it is not an obvious conclusion.

{{{He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.}}}

Ron wholly avoided this discussion (e.g. he claimed that it is referring to people who worship in synagogues, but did not want to answer if this included the early Christians who worshipped in Synagogues). All he has left is his mindless repetition.

{{{It is similar to a person who knows nothing about being an auto mechanic, trying to teach or debate, someone who is a certified auto mechanic.}}}

Okay, he repeats this ridiculous analogy. In his mind, the "person who knows nothing about being an automechanic" represents me. But does he honestly believe that the "certified auto mechanic" represents him? That he is to Biblical studies what a "certified auto mechanic" is to auto mechanics? That's a rather bold (and thus far unjustified) belief!

{{{Abu asks me, "What does 2+2 equal?" And I respond, "2+2 = 4"(which we know is the correct answer) Then Abu says, "why does it equal 4?" And I say, "If you take 2 apples and you add 2 more apples, you will have 4 apples." Then Abu says, "That isn't true, because, I understand the Hebrew language, which is 3 dimensional and it is "Possible"(Not a fact, but POSSIBLE),
that 2+2 equals 10 million apples in EVERY language."}}}

These are the desperate flailings of an intellectually defeated zealot. Actually, the 2+2=4 analogy serves what I have been saying: an argument stands on its own, regardless of who said it. Yet people in Ron's church often claim that "heathens" (i.e. non-Israelites, Arabs) cannot speak on whether the KJV is a good translation or not. They do this instead of actually trying to analyze the argument. But an argument stands regardless of who employed it. "2+2=4" has the same truth value regardless of whether it was said by an Israelite, a Chinese person, an Arab, or a Martian! The same goes for just about any argument. So, with that, here again is the thread presenting my arguments for poorly translated verses in the KJV:

http://www.afrochat.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3962

Let's see if Ron will actually try to confront the actual arguments. Or will he again try to pretend that the truth value of an argument depends on who made it, so as to avoid the fact that he is intellectually incapable of responding to these arguments?

Ron has settled into the role of the intellectually defeated zealot.

{{{Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant.}}}

This one simply broke my irony-meter.

First, I would like to thank yard for proving that whites are racist.

And second, Abu is back with his ignorance again, as expected. HAHAHAHHA.

He can't prove me wrong, so he has to desparately try to change my words around and the words of the Bible around and come to his own understanding. Which prv. 3:5 says NOT to do.

He is now angry, because, he is exposed as a fool, who, can't prove me wrong.

He is also exposed as a fool, for trying to teach or debate on the KJV Bible which he doesn't understand.

No matter what Abu does, he can't change the fact, that, He admitted that he doesn't understand the KJV bible, yet he is trying to teach it.

You can't be serious. As I said time and time again, only a fool would do that.

Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.

If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??

He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW

He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.

Abu still can't prove the woman in John 4:10 received Salvation. Which would prove salvation could be given to the Other nations besides the JEWS.

Abu clearly is saying "possible translations", because, he does NOT know the TRUE translation of the KJV scriptures.

Abu is fulfilling the prophecy of this verse below:

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

That verse, clearly says, let the Ignorant, continue to be Ignorant against GOD.

Meaning, if a person like ABU, has his mind made up to be ignorant against GOD'S word, Let him continue to be ignorant against GOD's word.

WHY?? Because, no matter how much PROOF you show an ignorant person, like ABU, they will not BELIEVE YOU.

It is similar to this:

Abu asks me, "What does 2+2 equal?"

And I respond, "2+2 = 4"(which we know is the correct answer)

Then Abu says, "why does it equal 4?"

And I say, "If you take 2 apples and you add 2 more apples, you will have 4 apples."

Then Abu says, "That isn't true, because, I understand the Hebrew language, which is 3 dimensional and it is "Possible"(Not a fact, but POSSIBLE),
that 2+2 equals 10 million apples in EVERY language."

I say, "No 2+2 = 4, not 10 million

Then Abu says, " Well, you are using the english text, I'm using the Hebrew text, which says, it is "possible", that, 2+2= 10 million, in EVERY language".

Do you see where I'm going with this folks??

No matter how much proof I show Abu, that, 2+2=4, Abu's ignorant mind is made up to believe 2+2= 10 million in Every language, because, of Abu's "own understanding".

So, it makes no sense to continue to argue with him on that issue. His mind is made up. It is best to let him stay ignorant.

Abu's only purpose here, is to deceive our people, by going against the Lord's word and causing confusion.

How does Abu cause this confusion and deceit?? Abu does this by, making his "own understanding" of the KJV, which we proved the Lord is against in Prov. 3:5.

OK, folks, let us watch how many times Abu will come back and try to teach or debate on the KJV Bible, which, Abu admits he knows nothing about.

Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant. Enjoy!!

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Ron has truly sunk into the role of the intellectually defeated zealot. While the fallacies he committed (e.g. shifting the burden of proof, straw man arguments, red herrings and ad-hominems) are bad enough, it is truly pathetic that he has reduced his responses to mindless repetition. He is unable to mount a substantive response, but seems to think that simply calling another person "ignorant" and "fool" is enough.

Abu is back with his ignorance again, as expected. HAHAHAHHA.

He can't prove me wrong, so he has to desparately try to change my words around and the words of the Bible around and come to his own understanding. Which prv. 3:5 says NOT to do.

He is now angry, because, he is exposed as a fool, who, can't prove me wrong.

He is also exposed as a fool, for trying to teach or debate on the KJV Bible which he doesn't understand.

No matter what Abu does, he can't change the fact, that, He admitted that he doesn't understand the KJV bible, yet he is trying to teach it.

You can't be serious. As I said time and time again, only a fool would do that.

Abu still didn't prove, that, there is NO way God's hair was "both" Notty and White like wool.

If "wool" just meant the white hair color "only" as ABU say's, then, why didn't the scripture say, his hair was White Like Milk or Snow??

He didn't prove the scriptures I gave about the storms are NOT talking about the latter days which are NOW

He can't prove Rev. 2:9 "didn't" mean The fake Jews in the "SYNAGOGUES" today.

Abu still can't prove the woman in John 4:10 received Salvation. Which would prove salvation could be given to the Other nations besides the JEWS.

Abu clearly is saying "possible translations", because, he does NOT know the TRUE translation of the KJV scriptures.

Abu is fulfilling the prophecy of this verse below:

1 Cor. 14:38 "But if any man be IGNORANT,let him be IGNORANT".

That verse, clearly says, let the Ignorant, continue to be Ignorant against GOD.

Meaning, if a person like ABU, has his mind made up to be ignorant against GOD'S word, Let him continue to be ignorant against GOD's word.

WHY?? Because, no matter how much PROOF you show an ignorant person, like ABU, they will not BELIEVE YOU.

It is similar to this:

Abu asks me, "What does 2+2 equal?"

And I respond, "2+2 = 4"(which we know is the correct answer)

Then Abu says, "why does it equal 4?"

And I say, "If you take 2 apples and you add 2 more apples, you will have 4 apples."

Then Abu says, "That isn't true, because, I understand the Hebrew language, which is 3 dimensional and it is "Possible"(Not a fact, but POSSIBLE),
that 2+2 equals 10 million apples in EVERY language."

I say, "No 2+2 = 4, not 10 million

Then Abu says, " Well, you are using the english text, I'm using the Hebrew text, which says, it is "possible", that, 2+2= 10 million, in EVERY language".

Do you see where I'm going with this folks??

No matter how much proof I show Abu, that, 2+2=4, Abu's ignorant mind is made up to believe 2+2= 10 million in Every language, because, of Abu's "own understanding".

So, it makes no sense to continue to argue with him on that issue. His mind is made up. It is best to let him stay ignorant.

Abu's only purpose here, is to deceive our people, by going against the Lord's word and causing confusion.

How does Abu cause this confusion and deceit?? Abu does this by, making his "own understanding" of the KJV, which we proved the Lord is against in Prov. 3:5.

OK, folks, let us watch how many times Abu will come back and try to teach or debate on the KJV Bible, which, Abu admits he knows nothing about.

Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant. Enjoy!!

Look who's talking. I'm rather surprised at you. I enjoy your posts because I consider you to be an educated professional capable of rational thought and discussion. But that you, or any of these lunatic liberals, could take seriously, or espouse, the view that Mr Bush (and Republicans in general) have withheld aid from these folks because they're black is ludicrous. To use your line, what proof do you have??

Has it occurred to you that a large number of folks in New Orleans are black, which would result in more blacks than whites being adversely affected? As for the so-called "delay" in aid, what delay? Have you any idea the logistics involved in moving that many people and that much equipment into a devastated area that quickly? Perhaps if Louisiana were a better managed state, the disaster relief teams could've gotten in there quicker. Should they have been in there sooner....I think so. Did the state management infrastructure allow for that....I guess we'll find out soon. Did you read the reports from 28 August that told of President Bush imploring the LA governor to evacuate the city and, even though the mayor gave the order, many decided to stay behind? Has it occurred to you that disaster relief efforts are concentrated at the local and state level (especially in a state like Louisiana, where they've endured such weather before) and that their ineffectiveness might be a large part of the problem? While they may get some funding from federal coffers, the planning, coordination, and overall management takes place at the state and local level.

As for Mr West, it's difficult to take a rap "artist" seriously. If they're "his people".."...and those are my people down there..."...why isn't he taking a more active role in doing something instead of bitching about what "whitey" is doing?

Well, that Michael Moore letter is some proof.

However, the biggest proof is George Bush "admitting it" on TV. That's all the proof I need.

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Ron has truly sunk into the role of the intellectually defeated zealot. While the fallacies he committed (e.g. shifting the burden of proof, straw man arguments, red herrings and ad-hominems) are bad enough, it is truly pathetic that he has reduced his responses to mindless repetition. He is unable to mount a substantive response, but seems to think that simply calling another person "ignorant" and "fool" is enough.

Abu is back with his ignorance again, as expected. HAHAHAHHA.

He can't prove me wrong, so he has to desparately try to change my words around and the words of the Bible around and come to his own understanding. Which prv. 3:5 says NOT to do.

He is now angry, because, he is exposed as a fool, who, can't prove me wrong.

He is also exposed as a fool, for trying to teach or debate on the KJV Bible which he doesn't understand.

No matter what Abu does, he can't change the fact, that, He admitted that he doesn't understand the KJV bible, yet he is trying to teach it.

You can't be serious. As I said time and time again, only a fool would do that.

OK, folks, let us watch how many times Abu will come back and try to teach or debate on the KJV Bible, which, Abu admits he knows nothing about.

Let us watch this Fool continue to be ignorant. Enjoy!!

http://www.theholyconceptionunit.org

Some of u ppl make me crazy...complaining about racism but constantly using the term "the whites" , "the whites" "white ppl this...white ppl that" categorizing an entire group of ppl simply becuz of skin color IS racism, so wake up..ur jus keepin the racism ball rollin.

Sorry Jim, but, in order to be a racist, you have to oppress another race, like us caucasians have done.

I feel that racism does exist in this country.I think Ron has some valid points, but I feel that his approach could be better. I think that when we get caught up in whether God is black or white we loose focus on the real issue, which is telling somebody about Jesus. It is written that we as believers will suffer so we may reign with Jesus. I feel that you don't fight hate with more hate, but with the Love of God. Remember God said in his word My people will perish from lack of knowledge. Above all your getting get understanding. I think it is not important to read the bible but understand it, because, otherwise you would be an ignorant. God said that he wishes that none should perish but have everlasting life. The important thing to remember is that God is a just and good God. He is not a respecter of persons. God does not favor one over another. Remember all things that are of God work together for the good. If you are spreading the message God you should do it with the Love of God and not with a wrathful exterior. Remember the bible also says not to gloat when you enemey is being punished because he will look at you be ashamed and turn his wrath away from them. Let's work on loving one another as God loves us and then take it from there. If you can't love and show love you in danger of walking and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. Well, I wish all to be blessed and watch your words because life and death lies in the power of the tongue. Let's speak life to one another. God Bless.

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