The Real Story Behind Christian Hip-Hop

If Darren did his research he would know that BBJ was signed to Jive and the label pushed him as the Gospel Biggie aka the Pentecostal Poppa they did not care about spreading God's Word they saw dollar signs they knew the fact that he sounded like Biggie people would take notice what they didnt know is that there is only one Big Poppa.
Regardless If Christian or secular hip hop many mc's emulate their favorite mc growing up and they have a little something from that Artist in them look at Jay-Z he grew up loving Big Daddy Kane and true hip hop heads can tell.
The Kid KJ52 is similar to Emenim but he is fire in his own right the dude really can spit.
Dudes from the West Coast make money this I know but cats from the East dont get much this is because the sound is so hard and gritty everything sounds underground so dont get it twisted these dudes sell albums but they also have 9 to 5 jobs.
Christian rap can go mainstream but the question should be will the powers that be let it get that far?

I agree w/ City. KJ-52 really can spit. HIs flow is tight. BBJ was aiight.

There's more to being a Christian than just praising God. None of the Christian rappers attack the everyday struggles of what it's like to be a Christian and deal with women, etc.

I mean think about this. What's the purpose of spreading the gospel of Jesus if you're only selling it in place where the gospel is already there. Until they are willing to get it on with the secular emcees they will never be taking seriously and their message will go unheard.

Im sorry I have to dissagree with the comment posed that Christian HipHop dosent speak on everyday matters. It shows that you have never taken the time to search for it. I will just a name a few... Corey Red and presice, K-drama, Walkin Dead, Decendents, are just a couple of christian hiphop artist that speak on every thing we go through in life. If you listen to DjDBY's Loss Prevention vol.1 & 2 on soundclick you will hear subjects ranging from SEX to DRUGS to THE LOVE OF MONEY and many more. And these are touched on from the point of view of "this is what I struggle with, and this is how I survive and beat it". Do some research there are alot of hot katz out there man. www.thundakatz.com Chek em out

Coming from a true christian I feel what Irreverent is saying 1000%. Think about it. A lot of emcees out there are muslim or 5%ers and can get there message out there easily along with talking about other stuff. Every body else is coming out of the closet now a days why can't christians come out and be proud of who they are and what they do.

I've really been looking for some christian hiphop but can't seem to find it. Thanks UTURN. Christian hiphop just has poor promotion. Oh yeah, one question please. Is Jesus Walks a considered a christian song?

Christian rappers only tackle whats going on in the world today I dont know who you have been listening to the topics range from sex,drugs,crime,poverty,politics actually Christian Hip Hop music has a message in every song they give you the straight up truth there is no time to waste when your trying to minister and save somebody's life.
Holy Hip Hop has been here for years trying to minister to Secular Artist and some artist like Apache from flavor Unit the dude was a hardcore dude he is saved now Holy Hip Hop doesnt get the same light or money as Secular hip hop does and sad to say some people in the Gospel Community dont even like it.
When hip hop started out it was called a fad they said it would not last but look Hip Hop rules but it had to bubble in the struggle.
Right now Holy Hip Hop is bubbling it's trying to reach out..........it's up to the non-believer and the beleiver to reach out to take it and spread it.

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MAN TO ME IT SEEMS THAT POPULAR GOSPEL ARTISTS TEND TO GET POPULAR THEN FADE OFF THE MAP EX. KIRK FRANKLIN BUT BBJ IS TIGHT...I DO AGREE THAT THEY SHOULD ALSO RAP ABOUT EVERYDAY ISSUES, IT'S NOT LIKE ITS A SIN...

I think everybody sayin that christian hip hop has grown n it is basically pushed in churches is makin a good point but they're lookin at it from one perspective... i agree that christian hip hop has a loyal enuff foundation that w/ the rite promotion n the rite faces to lead in the game... it can blow up n go mainstream... yet its hard because nobody wants to b in the club dancin w/ some female while someboy's preachin over a hot beat... so ppl wont accept it... its too hard for it to blow mainstream... it can get to wat underground hip hop n mixtape scene is but not mainstream cause mainstream is basically party music... music for the clubs... so ppl dont wanna hear that from christian rappers n there hasnt been a christian rapper thats hot yet not constantly preachin... ALMOST had it w/ mase but look where that went... BUT the other point of view is that yeh its pushed in churches but part of that is because when u talk to a hip hop head n convert him... he's still gonna wanna listen to hip hop... so he can fall bak into temptation by listenin to wat he loves to hear... yet when u show him... hey christian hip hop is good to... these dudes spit hard too... then they can listen to that n grow a new collection of music thats not promotin sin yet has that flavor that they love....

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dreweezy, no problem man. There is soo much out there. I do have to agree that a big problem is that mainstream is mainly club songs. And noone wants to feel that what they are doing is wrong. Except "Jesus Walks" was gettin alot of play in clubs supposedly. And NO, I do not consider "Jesus Walks" to be a christian hiphop track. There are alot of HOTT diiirty south stuff out as well.... "Pettide" is just one of many. If you a New York hiphop head, under cross movement records you have katz like "Da Truth" and "lacrea". As well as cross movement. Im tellin yall the mixtape scene is blazin. Keep ya ear open man

Oh yeah btw, if you lookin for some hot west coast stuff, check out ma man "KNINE". That dude is for real.

I'll tell you the TRUTH !

This summer there was a Christian HipHop Rally in New York City.

I dont have hate for anything HipHop related so I was gonna go down to check it out . . plus the fact that Church Girls Are EASY & It was mentioned on ALLHIPHOP

I went on Craigslist and found out that this was a GAY Hip Hop Meeting !

It wasnt just ONE message about it there were PLENTY of messages from people saying that they were gonna go !

THAT ,Is what Christian HipHop IS about ,Its about confused dudes trying to hide themselves in religion and OUR culture

LOOK IT UP AND I GUARANTEE YOULL SEE WHAT I SAW

Its crazy because we were at a underground show in boston at Bills bar this weekend and this mc opened up the show spitting about god.but it was different. To be honest,the way he put it,we could relate.I think its the way you spit it. I dont know how far this dude plans on pushing it, but he passed out the cd at the show for free. Its J.Hennings and it was all right.the email inside the cd is timeisathand@hotmail.com if this is any help.

MAN I DON'T KNOW ABOUT ALL THAT GAY CRAP BUT CHURCH GIRLS BEING EASY IS TRUE TO A CERTAIN POINT. THEY ARE REALLY LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO TRUST AND THEY GO OUTSIDE A SHELTERED ENIVRONMENT (CHURCH) AND END UP INT HE WRONG ARMS. I KNOW I'M A GUY AND I USED TO DO THAT TO THEM BEFORE I LEARNED BETTER. PLEASE DON'T ASSOCIATE GAYS WITH CHRISTIANS I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN BE GAY AND A CHRISTIAN NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU LIVE. IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP

christian hip hop is an oxymoron. hip hop was created from the struggle to survive. survival aint always christian like, is it??? christian hip hop is what those people are yelling on the corner with their bibles. only difference is the people on the corner aint got no beat.

YES it can go mainstream
Not only can but will!!!!!
I'm closing a deal with a label that has nationwide distribution.
The main problem with christian hip hop is that,like you said, they preach to the choir.
If a good mc, like me, brings the truth in their lyrics then it can succeed. People identify with artists they can relate too. I break the music down to where anybody can identify with what I'm saying because in the end Christian or not we all are the same. The main reason why that industry has stuggled thus far is no one could relate with God when their pockets are empty. Its hard to walk the path of righeousness when your feet hurt. But honestly, i follow the principles of Christ but my life is just like yours. i want riches just like you. I want to be loved just like you. The only difference is I choose to use my music to bless others. Hopefully ya'll will see me in your cd stores and BET. Ya'll get at me. ridahworld@gmail.com

Actually sherm, I gotta disagree on the oxymoron tip, I mean, hip hop started as the voice of us, the ones looked down on and oppressed by the rich, right?

Well... Jesus wasn't for the rich, he criticized how they treated the poor, ate with the "sinful and unclean", and used his WORDs to get his message across.

Plus, his crew didn't start out as a bunch of highly spiritual men. Not mention the Saviour ain't grow up rich.

Dawg to discredit wat SHERM said... ill say this.... u say hip hop was created from the struggle to survive n ill tell u this... LIVIN LIKE A TRUE CHRISTIAN IS THE HARDEST STRUGGLE IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN.... u might not know this because u might not have ever considered it... but try to go a day w/o sinnin.... YEH... thats a struggle unmatched homie... as a matter of fact... usin wat u said... i can prove that todays mainstream hip hop is a huge oxymoron... if it was based on strugglin to survive... WTF IS BLING?? y is every song about a balla... ice... cars... hoes... n slingin weight?? dudes r on top now... it has nothin to do w/ strugglin to survive nemore... few artists keep it real... i recognize them... all others r swayin away....
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The Gay Christian Hip hop thing is straight left field I will leave that at the door of ignorance Church girls being easy listen man if your game is tight and you really want a shorty it does not matter if she is in the church the club or school and put this on your mind while you were choosing who said you werent being chosen it's a fact that women outnumber men in church by a landslide and while they try to hold on they get tempted when they see somebody that may remind them of their pass or they just want to feel wanted same thing for the dudes that try to hold on man your doing good then Buffy the Body comes and it's a wrap the walk of holiness is a hard one nothing in this world is this hard........................................But back to are regular scheduled program after being swayed.
Holy hip hop could never be an OXYMORON man .........seek God's face and learn more about him and look at your life we are all punks compared to God so when the true Holy Hip Hop Emcees spit life you will understand and if your not part of the solution than you are the problem.

I saw this cat by the name of Tha GIM in Miami performing w/ Koool Herc and Grand Wizard Theadore. It was crazy cuz he was spittin a song called "Rise UP"-"like Christ did" and it was one of the hardest songs I've heard, I mean it was something very relative to whats going on in the streets and he was sick, rocked it! Some of that stuff is wack though.... but then again almost every new "mainstream" mc is wack. I was feelin Tha GIM (the God in me)though.

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what if god aint real... what if buhda is real and you guys are makin all of these songs in disgrace of who is real. what if there is no higher being??? is muslim hip hop wrong (outside of the fact that any religous hip hop is whack) because it honors a different god??? people go to church to hear a sermon, no one wants to jam to it. well, i mean some, but they are usually on the corner forcing their five year old in 100 degree temperature to hold a bible and tell everyone how their gowing to hell. i get enough of that at red lights.

Sherm, wat do u stand for... i mean i c where ur comin from... i understand wat ur sayin... but where do u stand... i mean ur questionin ppls beliefs but wat do u believe in??... im sure u get turned off by ppl in the corner w/ bibles but they dont do it for themselves... its their way of honorin God... so let them do them... if a kid is out in 100º heat... God's watchin n that jit will get blessins... dont b so scheptical... give somethin a try... im not sayin wat to believe... but believe somethin... dont let some dude on a corner w/ a bible annoyin u get btwn u n ur salvation... look out for urself... thats all im sayin

One

very interesting convo. i'm an emcee myself or a Christian MC. i don't know if this whole discussion is a right vs. wrong type of thing, but i do belief we are trying too hard. we're making it more complicated than it needs to be. the fact is, we all are people - who work jobs, have families and need things. the thing we All need the most is God's grace so we can have a life worth living and won't have to go to hell. Christians have the answer to that need, so we just have to be confident in expressing that answer, but not forget who we were before we had Him. if you think about the greatest emcee's in hip hop: pac, big, rakim, jay... they all are alike at their core. they had/have real issues and talked about them over beats. they were/are honest and confident, and people Hear them because of that. i think a lot of Christians emcee's aren't both at once. we have to be honest about EVERYTHING; struggles, victories, God, having a good time, etc. and we have to be confident in who we are. honestly, the mainstream isn't made up real emcee's anyway. we should aim for being Great, not popular. Luke 13:24 "strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able." you can check me out at www.proxymc.com.

SHERM, honestly man, no one can convince you that God is real. people do what they do because they believe. passion is a good thing to have and it'll encourage you to do more in life. i am confident that Christianity is The Truth because of a lot of physical evidence and personal experience. there are a lot of reasons i believe what i believe. if you want to talk more about it, e-mail me: theproxy12@hotmail.com.
you're right about one thing, there are a ton of other religions out there, but i believe in Jesus Christ and that's a risk i'm willing to take. i'll risk my life for Him, what will you risk your life for? how long will it last? will it ever go away? by the way, it's been proven that Jesus lived and died, but His body still hasn't been found and there's a ton of real evidence that people saw Him again after He was killed. every other religion with a person as their God has a place where you can go visit them, because they are still dead. how can a god be real and the answer to everyone's problems, when they're dead?? i know a lot of people who are scared to choose a side so they try and play it safe and say they don't believe anything. well, when we die, everything we have here stays here; EVERYTHING. so then what?
let me as you a question, what are you living for sherm? and what do you believe will happen when you die? what do you base that on? personal feelings? haven't you ever felt like doing something really crazy? does that mean it's right or okay? our feelings change all the time, but the Bible and the God of Christianity Never changes. if there's nothing after we die, why do you even try? there are a few things that are facts you can't argue with... right and wrong, and a beginning and an end to our existence. the Bible explains all of this stuff. every other religion disagrees with Christianity about Jesus. none of them think He's God and that He's the only way to heaven. so it's either Christ or something else. when you don't choose a side, you're choosing a side; feel me? either you choose Jesus or you don't.

oh and by the way, YOU might think that Holy hip hop is wack and no one wants to hear it, but you're wrong. there are hundreds of thousands of fans around the world for this stuff. they just don't have access to it. plus, millions of people who just like good hip hop. you may not want to hear it, but you're one out of billions of people. i and other Christians i know have battled emcees who weren't "religious" and we've all held our own. are you an emcee? just because you don't like it doesn't everyone else doesn't either. check out the dvd The Battle For L.A. when you get a second and you'll see what i mean. e-mail me if you want to talk. theproxy12@hotmail.com or www.proxymc.com.

We should exploit Christian rap with some chicken and liquour commercials. I'll bet album sales will go at an alarming rate.

All I know is, I pick up all my Holy Hip Hop at www.qualityjunk.com!

Alright, its like this. I can talk about this subject well because I used to be a christian rapper. My name is Doboy, and i was in a group called the Committee, from Sacto, Ca. Our group had relative success, and could have been a lot bigger than we were. But the problem is this, POINT BLANK. Christian Hip Hop is hard to go mainstream, because there are so many different religions out there. My whole issue was this. I grew up in a baptist church, so naturally I believe what I was taught. But if someone is a muslim or a budhist, and grew up and was taught that religion, who am I to tell them they are believing the wrong things?? So when you get in the music business, which is the business of selling music, and you have your religion which is very strong and prominent in your music, how can it cross over?? How can you change everyones mode of belief?? Would you listen to a rapper who had a different religion than you, and let them convince you that everything you have believed for your whole life was not right?? Is anyone that nice on the mic to make you change religions?? I came to the conclusion that I want to sell music to everyone. I dont want to have only a christain fan base, I promote living right, and getting the most out of life. Everyone has their beliefs, mine are baptist. But when Im making my album, Im entertaining....period. And a lot of these christian rappers, are only rapping christian, becuz they have a built in fan base. Built in shows, built in everything. So with some of these cats its more of a business decision, than a ministry decision.

christian hip hop is really not my thing but i do have relationship with Almighty God.Christian rappers should rap about historical jesusianity and not this White RACIST AMERICAN EURO CENTRIC BRAND of chrsitianity that we in the western world have had shoved down our throats for fivehundred years. White racist in europe and the united states high jack the teachings of jesus in the Gospels and the epistles and have ran with it. When i think of a christian i see the ugly face of that devil Pat robinson and George bush. So called christians.Rich white males with to much power. Jesus (yesua) was poor while he walked this earth. He was not a white blue eyed devil. he was a middle eastern man who spoke no lick of english. he certainly was not a card carrying member of the republican party. Christain rappers speak about the the real jesus and real christian teachings not this flag waving white racist white power garbage we get in the U.S. I got a question. Why is the church of Christ in the U.S. so segregated. Is there a black heaven ?and a white heaven?

christian hip hop is really not my thing but i do have relationship with Almighty God.Christian rappers should rap about historical jesusianity and not this White RACIST AMERICAN EURO CENTRIC BRAND of chrsitianity that we in the western world have had shoved down our throats for fivehundred years. White racist in europe and the united states high jack the teachings of jesus in the Gospels and the epistles and have ran with it. When i think of a christian i see the ugly face of that devil Pat robinson and George bush. So called christians.Rich white males with to much power. Jesus (yesua) was poor while he walked this earth. He was not a white blue eyed devil. he was a middle eastern man who spoke no lick of english. he certainly was not a card carrying member of the republican party. Christain rappers speak about the the real jesus and real christian teachings not this flag waving white racist white power garbage we get in the U.S. I got a question. Why is the church of Christ in the U.S. so segregated. Is there a black heaven ?and a white heaven?

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I think that some of these posts are pretty wack! Christian rap music isn't intended to go mainstream. That would soften the message because in order to go mainstream, Christian rappers would have to ease up on glorifying Christ in their raps. Their purpose is to glorify God not to go gold or platinum. The truth is I believe that Christian rappers are far more talented than secular rappers because what is a secular rapper without profanity? Rappers like KJ-52 got skills! Who else do you know that can make a full-length rap song by using the name of 47 rappers or 47 rock stars. Now that takes talent! I'd like to see 50 cent give that a shot-I'm out

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i have question how can we have holy hip hop when it is already a religion (there is talk of a temple of hip-hop by K.R.S. ONE)for more go to www.exministries.com

I think the main reason Christian rap rarely makes it mainstream is because it is light. Darkness hates light. Just remember the last time someone cut the light on when u were in the middle of a deep sleep. Also in general i think non-christian artists have a lot more funding to polish their product with (huge non-christian audience for marketers to advertise to and willing to invest in). Furthermore, the pool to choose from in non-christian rap is enormous. I don't think its really about christian or non-christian in terms of what defines good or not. Its more about the individual, whether he/she is gifted in music or not. Just like atheletes, some are christian some aren't. Its just that some musicians are christians and want to use their gift to talk about JC. Have you ever spent a lot of time going through listening to all the non-christian groups out there that were fly by night and sounded awful???? the few that sound good get a lot more backing and recognition. People forget about the thousand rap acts that flopped and think that what we see on mtv or hear on the radio is all there is and assume they just naturally get airtime cause they are rappers. But when it comes to christian rap, since there are so few to choose from, the mediocre to lame get more play and unfortunately lower the bar. But that only makes perfect sense since most statistics say that only about 1% of the population is born-again. Its kinda like saying that black people aren't that good at tennis just because most of the pros are white. It may be that most black people just didnt take much interest in tennis. And now that there is an interest it will take a while for their numbers to increase in the game. And by the way I first got hooked on rap when i was about 10 or 11 years old back in 80' and i first heard "hotel motel holiday inn" on a local college station...I have never stopped listening ever since. But I started to get pretty bored with the same old " i had a rough life thats why i think i should get a pass with anti-social behaviour" etc. and most of my friends couldn't understand why i enjoyed rap so much. They weren't hooked on the beat and ryhmes like I was so I kept listening, believing in the form and hoping for a day when rappers could rise above the simplistic, mundane, personal trials and complications lyricism and move on to more far reaching, abstract, complicated thoughts. I find a lot more signs of neuraltransmitter use and growth in christian hip-hop than anywhere else. And believe me I listen to all forms of rap in search for that hi. But I thank God for providing some good quality rappers who are born-again. I don't think a rapper should try to go mainstream or try not to. He or she should just rap what the Holy Spirit inspires and let God bring it where He pleases. I just know that I particularly enjoy getting in the car with some unsuspecting heads, see them start nodding and then start to get a funny look in their eye cause some philosophy or concept they never before considered was just presented to them in palatable form. Then its too late for them to front. I never announce my penchant for christian rap. I find people generally want to dislike it... if they were already feelin' it, it's too late.

I really like your comments but I really disagree. I've been living on the country for years and people have enjoyed hip hop. Your statments are very prejudice. Please try to understand that I like hip hop and I'm christian. It has nothing to do with "preaching to the choir". What does that mean even? Thank you for your time!

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Its not about going mainstream, but if you understanding culture,socity and economics you will begin to realize that theres more to mainstream reguardless of the style you fall under. Understanding how little independents became power houses making millions goes beyond somebody being tight, a good businessman or whatever marketing model/strategy is, major record labels with major power beyond money comes in to play. It's like the movie business, case in point...
Mel Gibson a star bigger than with more entertainment power than almost anyone in hip hop wanted to make a movie, a movie about Christ, what do the owners of Hollywood say(mainly jewish) NO WAY! What the did not realize is that Mel is very determine, and it also helps if you have 30 million to lose! But he doesn't the movie to date is in the billion dollar area and is know a major part of history. The music business comes from the man, the man seen how much money the kids where making on the street, took the market worldwide and now these independents are making millions, but never will they take the place of the man... in less they buy the entire company like EMI a multibillion dollar empire, most don't know but these are mainly people from other countries.

Christians that make music will be hard pressed reguardless due to the political, historical, and cultural issues that come with Christianity now today. Most people don't understand Christianity, denomonations and why people are even followers of Christ so the misunderstanding runs deep. I think that it shoudn't be a goal to go mainstream but to follow the Spirit and let everything else come. If you like it or find its what you want to listen to then its doing what its suppose to, if not listen to what you like and understand that Christian rock-alt. real don't have there own working againist them.

Read about how any major hip-hop (200+million) got there start and you'll see how the man was involve and how dirty the game really is.

it will just never go mainstream. I tottaly agree. It's preaching to the chior, but a smaller chior in a smaller market because onlt 1/16th of believers even like rap. There is no room for this to grow at all. I've been watching this for years. The only chance is for a Christian to have crossover appeal, and write about REAL LIFE issues, on wax, and proclaim to the media that he/she is saved. As well as TOP production, and an out of this world budget. Even that is the formula for ONE Christian rapper. just ONE

Alot of people don't think gospel rap or hip hop is hot because there's people like me (the Prophet)that haven't been discovered yet (that alot of people love to listen to)there's alot of artist that just haven't got a break yet,I know alot of gospel rappers that's just preaching to the chior,we as christians need to give the people something new baby,that's why I'm selling my new cd as we Speek called "OLD THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY" if the people here a different style we could get the gospel to a wider audience,now this is what God wants...

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I agree in some since with what ever post. even the dude that was talking about gay christians being confused, etc, etc.
anyway.

to those who say Gospel Rap/HolyHipHOp is not supposed to go mainstream. This is the deal peeps. some of you even right here that agree with this. no scripture backward and forward. but you still missing the point.

What kind of dude was Jesus? extremely down to earth.

who did Jesus talk to, who did Jesus heal, who did Jesus attempt to spread the word to? Regular Folks. primarily Broke folks. WHY? because its easier to talk to someone that has nothing, and needs everything. They will listen. because they are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Who's in hood nowadays? These same broke people. Aint nothing changed.

Look the hood controls hiphop from the background. If I say as a black dude from the hood. 50cent is hot right now. The suburban CEO of BIgmoney records, will Sign 50cent, and put millions of dolalrs behind him to push his product. Not because the Suburbs said he was hot. but because the HOOD said it.

The HOOD okayed Eminem. does everyone understand that?

Its just like a young black dude from L.A. telling some white kid in wyoming, "yo homie, dis is how you do the crip walk".

Now. since the hood is where hiphop is promoted. You have to talk to the hood first. as far as Mainstream being club music. Thats kinda true. Its FUN music for the most part. because people want to relax, and release when they are driving home listen to the traffic jam or when they are in the club sippin on somethin.

Question, as a Christian Rapper(to all you christian rappers that have already posted), Do you truly believe that you cant make a HOT joint for the Club? Me personally. I know it can be done. and Done in a way that still uplifts GOD.

Do you know why 50cent sales like he does? yes he appeals to our natural self. what christian folks call the flesh. what you feel like doing. instead of what you need to be doing.

but that aint even the main reason. the reason 50. sells. is because He sings on his hooks. Just like JaRule did. Not only does he sing. he sings nursery Rhyme hooks. (no joke). The patterns of his hooks are so simplistic, that Anyone can sing along.

all people want to do is sing along like karaoke. If you give people something to sing along to that they cant deny as catchy. They will find themselves repeating it.

for example. Jayz's old song. and I had to stop playing it just cause i wasn't feeling him callin himself that even though i knew it was a simile.

song called "H to da Izzo".
H to da Izzo
V to da Izz-ay

If that aint nursery rhymes i dont know what is. once Christian rappers get off the underground E-longated Hooks, or the underground deep hooks that are so deep they are darn near a verse in itself. Then and only then, will you see a crossover into the World.

YES Christians you want to crossover. not sell your soul. but we have to give the message to the world.

last thing...

one person said dont try to sell a million records, just let the spirit lead you. and thats true.

what kind of rappers we need and for whom?

1. you need everyday rappers that have not necessarily been in jail, sold dope, etc, etc, before he or she became saved. but this rapper still needs to keep it real and talk about the temptations he/she faced prior to being saved and even right now after being saved.

2.you need the Thug Turned Christian rapper. to more or less testify on wax, on the bad stuff, and what has changed now. and how tough it still is.

3.you also need that Christian Rapper thats doing a excellent job of being a christian to preach to the Choir(as yall say). Yes just like some have said. New converts and even us old converts Cant let go of hiphop because its not the words, its the way in which they were delivered, its the beat that we love. Music was created before humans. so dont think Music is of anything else but GOD. Yes people can pervert it just like they pervert the gospel. but please get it right. Jay Z, Nas, Biggie, and pac were born to rap, but to uplift GOD with their abilities. Did they do that? some time, if you really listen. but not for the most part.

2 key problems with HolyHipHOp

1.most of the holyhiphop rappers rap like Crossmovement. why? because thats one of the better groups that have been doing it for a while. you gotta be original though. U have to.

2.even when we talk about sex, drugs, etc, etc. we still talk about it in away that sounds like a preacher preaching a sermon on sunday. we give little scriptures and what not. which is cool if you're talking to someone who at least owns a bible.

we have to get down to barebones ministry, what Jesus was doing.

people think Jesus was just reading the bible scripts to people. Folks wake up. The red writting in the bible is supposed to be Jesus/GOd talking. That means whatever you read that they said. That was them being Normal. speaking to people in away that the people would understand. not in a ton of scriptures.

Yes you need the good book. but we need to start using it as reference guide. not just a quote book. you quote a scripture to a christian because to remind him of it. You quote a scripture to a non-believer because the words within the quote make perfect sense in that moment to whatever you are trying to convey to that non believer. see the difference?

anyway go scoop up my clicks lil mixtape GOD MEETS DA STREETS 2.0 its lil old, but you aint heard it. so its new to you. make sure you listen to "U think I dont want To"

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OH, i almost forgot. For the rappers in here. I know at least on of yall needs some assistance on ya music. whether that be, the lyrics, your delivery(which we all need), production, and or the pre-mastering stage of your songs. Get at me. No it aint free. Yes Its cheap for my christian brothers and sisters. does that mean you cant get anything for free? no. but dont look for free. I gotta eat to.

By the way, make sure you read the post right above this one.i know its long but its a must read.

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"i have question how can we have holy hip hop when it is already a religion (there is talk of a temple of hip-hop by K.R.S. ONE)for more go to www.exministries.com"

That exministries crap is so off point. Hip Hop has never been a religion. There's a difference between culture and religion. He speaks of hip hop as if it is treated as God and has twisted facts on how ZULU Nation started hip hop when the fact is that Kool Herc is the real asset to hip hop's foundation. Hip Hop existed before KRS and ZULU. So his claims of hip hop being the devil is based off of his readings of the believes and teachings of the ZULU Nation rather than exploring the diversity of hip hop. And he has narrow-minded thoughts of his "christianity" beliefs vs. other religions. Most of the rappers on his list of targets are either muslim, 5%ers, or christians. He got on Jill Scott for preaching the Quran as if Islam has a false god. (Thank GOD I'm not a christian.) I'm glad I didn't get "saved," whatever that means.

I'm a new christian artist. RAMBO. Trust me you'll hear about me REAL SOON. I read all the comments, and not really into justifying what I do, and my belief.... I Decided to let my lyrics speak for themselves. LOL. Listen.

See brotha', "I'm tight". It's in my "palm, nice". I got dem'"bars right?". Just call me "klondike". See homey I'm focused and open, get ya' "mind right". I listen to my dad rap and my "mom write". She said this earth is against you, yea my "moms right". But you'll overcome it. That's ya' "divine right". So I ain't "tryin-na fight". Cause in that absence, you'll "shine-bright", automatically, like "neon lights". Ya'protection means nothing when'nem "heaters-hit-Ya". You really wanna Live long, just "read-the-scriptures". Yea, you got jumped in, but they ain't "leavin-wit-ya". "Plus" dey like "algebra", dey ain't "even-wit'ya". See they ain't even with ya'. It's just a gang sign. Man I'm like a "back-catcher", how I "see-the-picture". I ain't satisfied til' I spit "fever-blisters". When I die, remember this, "Jesus-wit-ya". LOL...

That's all for now....Just started my own record label. Just got a mass production deal. Involved with a bunch a dudes just like me......I'm going main stream.....In the name of JESUS. Jehovah Records is the Label. WWW.JehovahRecords.com coming soon....Look out for me! RAMBO

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to the person that spoke against the hip-hop religion thing i posted. You obvioulsy did not go to www.exministres.com cause he said that kool herc was involved in the creation of hip-hop not just krs one but besides that the proof is all on the website you can argue all you want but the truth is still there hip-hop is a religion go check it out on the net so there can not be holy hip hop. I used to like hip-hop iam a christian A REAL CHRISTIAN. But once i learned the truth and the holy spirit spoke to me i got rid of the hip-hop so did my friends but hey dont take my word for it go to god about it you can pray to him and ask but i know some of you wont do it cause you want your hip-hop more than you want God all i can do is pray for you cause your lost and i pray you get right. If you want to live worldy and keep your worldy music and not come to God through his son Jesus Christ go ahead and keep doing what your doing JUST DONT DIE. Cause you will be in a world of hurt i know that is ruff but its the truth i just want to see people's soul saved and them having a complete and joyus life here and when they die.

To the person that said I didn't read the site. I DID read the site. My statement stands on his facts being twisted. Zulu DID NOT start the culture of hip hop nor did they start the musical aspect of it. PERIOD. As for "coming to God through Jesus" crap, that is something that a CHRISTIAN believes. I'm not a Christian as you must not have read. I don't need to go through a man that lived and died and that people pray to and worship in order to get to the true God. And if we're all God's children, why do you keep stressing your views on someone claiming to be the "son of God?" In my eyes, we are all God's CREATIONS and God begots and is not begotten. So therefore, it would be blasphemy for me to pray to Jesus and to attribute to him as being God Almighty or the son of God. Again, thank God I'm not a christian.