Media Chin-Check

I hate that dMN song what the fCK IS SHE TALKIN ABOUTthere are no real lyrics in the song it should never be considered hip hop or played with hip hop cause if it is then brittany spears could put a semi hiphop beat on her song and it would be considered hip hop on hot 97 now would that be right, hLL NAW hip hop is more than just a beat

I FIND THE SONF ANNOYING. I LIKED IT BEFORE EVERYONE STARTED SINGING IT. GWEN AIN'T BLACK, AND THAT SONG ISN'T HIP OR HOP.I DO NOT WANNA HEAR HER ON MY HH AND RNB STATION EVER. SE GETS ENOUGH PLAY ON MTV AND BANDWAGON RIDING PEOPLE'S MOUTHS

Drunkards, 13 year olds whose primary tool of communication is AIM, and idiots that can't spell shouldn't talk shit. I'll admit, the song isn't one of my favorites, but the song is hip hop. Gwen being white has nothing to do with it. As I recall, hip-hop started out with simple subject matter. Just having fun over the beat, damn the lyrics. Something Gwen did perfectly...

...What do you think Rapper's Delight was about?

Ok, first of all, black people are not shutting out white people. If I don't like the song it is what it is. AND PLEASE STOP CALLING THAT SON HIP HOP.....IT'S POP. Yes, Gwen has been accepted by Blacks in the past, but because of who being by her side rapping? Eve. But that doesn't mean that blacks don't like her music, but categorizing her music as Hip Hop, that's just desperate. Just because she's recorded songs with blacks doesn't mean all her songs are qualified for the "Hip Hop/R&B" motivated 106 & Park or Hot 97.

The song is a nice song to lose one's focus on or to listen to when trying to focus on the lighter side of life. The thing about hip hop is that hip hop is a culture and rap is just a part of the culture. KRS-one outlined the pillars of hip hop music such as break-dancing, grafitti artistry, DJing, and a number of other things, rapping included. Yet hip hop is not just rapping. Hip hop is a way of life and embodies a certain philosophy pertaining to urban survival while respecting certain universal laws, Love included.

Along those precepts accurately describing hip hop, rap songs that subjectively glorify drug-dealing and the deliberate perpetuation of peddling illegal substances (i.e. Crack) that slowly erode peoples' physicals and mentals beyond most peoples' capacity to overcome them would not be and are not really hip hop but merely rap. To objectively describe the predicaments of seeming hopelessness that lead TO the erring decision to peddle drug poison against one's better judgement on the other hand is hip hop.

Hip hop is actually more conscientious or consciousably digestible in all of if forms rather than just being the asinine, mundane usage of common, particularly trite so called hip adages or phrases that merely rhyme for rhymes sakes. NOW that we're clear on the difference between hip hop and rap, its safe to say Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" is rap but no where near the level of scrutable integrity required to be deemed hip hop.

Mind you the song is not totally worthless for there is a time for everything, even the comically asinine, but in terms of trying to slip songs like "Hollaback Girl" under the radar of hip hop and calling it such, no way yo, Blouaw, that easy lay-up has been penned, get that outta here. Like Raekwon said " Block your goals like Hockey".

PEACE peoples.

Rapper's Delight has way more soul and flow then that song......LOL. The beat is tight, but the lyrics is too MTV'ish.....let KROCK and other white stations have it.....

MAN FCK BET. I honestly don't care if they play this video or not....i'd rather hear this shit than some fckin Trillville or Lil' Boosie or Gucci Mane.......dat garbage ass music...why da fuck can't they play De La Soul. If wasn't for nyggas like that we wouldn't have Rap City....even though dat shit is watered down like a Sprite when the ice has melted....but man BET should close shop pretty soon, cuz they not teachin our children anything but to shake they ass and be crunk....and how ignorant can this be.....how am I giving to society or making a change in their community when I take this shit they put on TV seriously.....hmmmm there is something to think about

^Preach!!!

Stop hating on good music!! Pharrell has got another hit under his belt and Gwen deserves more love from everyone! The record is in the Top 5 Billboard Chart ( beating out all Hip-Hop artists) and is getting heavy rotation on almost everywhere! The song rushes ladies to the dance floor and everyone is just spooked out because you love it but youre scared of what your friends might think....Bitches

i agree that "hollaback girl" is a pop song, and i didn't like it when i first heard it on the radio (especially that bananas part). BUT it grew on me, and i decided to put it into my set at a local hiphop joint a little over a month ago. that place damn near exploded when i played it. girls love that song. i've been playing it at some grimey spots in berkeley, oakland, and SF and trust me: everyone loves that shit. who cares if she's white? do yall remember andre3000 when he busted "hey ya?" that was the whitest shit ever but they played it on ever urban radio station and every hiphop club across the damn country. give gwen some love, that track is bangin' cause its different from all of the sounds that are out right now. she's knows how to entertain, and she has my vote to put her on BET. hip hop ISN'T black, its a culture that grows with the innovation of people like gwen, no matter race color or creed.

damn this post has me so heated i have to post again.

"hollaback girl" HAS to be played at least twice a night at the club cause of all the damn requests, and people go crazy every time they here it. no other song right now in my set can do that (with the exception of Mike Jones "Back Then," Boyz in the Hood "Dem Boyz" and a bunch of New Bay Mac Dre, FrontLine, Keak da Sneak stuff in the Bay).

on the black eyed peas new album, there is a song called "MY HUMP" that has the same vibe as "hollaback girl" and will damn near take over the club and airwaves this summer. i can almost guarantee it. will yall give Fergie some love? BEP is POP no doubt, way evolved from when they used to be uptempo underground (miss those days by the way), but when people like a song, they like it, period.

ah i can't take this anymore! sometimes you gotta ignore the labels you put on people. underground vs. mainstream, pop vs. hiphop, new school vs. old, digital vs. analog, black vs. white.... it all boils down to a simple equation. good music vs. bad music.

like binary star said so long ago, its "hop-pop" son. its all about the $$$. but a good beat is a good beat. stop hating!

We gotta recognize the well made point by TheSpark. Crunk Music is definitely overrated and playing itself. Dude said De La Soul, like when they were first out with that "Me, Myself, and I" pssst, classic material, truly. Those were the days when wack was wack and Crunk Music would have been seen as crackhead music or tunes for those folk smoked out on their last braincells. That's back when group or solo artists had to uplift the mind or else. Back when PM Dawn dropped "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" and Arrested Development dropped "Natural", "Tennessee", and "Mr Wendel". Heck yeah, even those peeps were hip hop. Black Sheep dropped "The Flavor of The Month" and "The Choice Is Yours".

Yeah, we would probably rather hear Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" over the evil, Tear The Club Up, Down South, Crunked Up and Drunk, Sippin' codeine syrup, chopped and screwed bit. Yo we even heard that DJ Screw who established chopped and screwed mixes died off of sipping codeine syrup 'til his heart slowed down to a stop. That probably increases the interest in the chopped and screwed music. Y'all can have it, we don't want it.

Oh yeah, "Hey Ya" by Andre 3000 wasn't white it was Rock 'n' Roll inspired by the African-American Rock 'n' Roll originators like Chuck Berry with his song "Go, Johnny Go", Fats Domino's "Blueberry Hill" Little Richard's countless Rock 'n' Roll classic hits, and of course the man who Andre has been respectfully emulating, the Purple Haze man himself, no not Cam'ron, but Jimi Hendrix. There's no need to qualm about Rock 'n' Roll's transformation into all the numerous Rock denominations because most of what was essentially fly about it has been incorporated quite tastefully into hip hop. Gwen Stefani is alright with us, but ummm............. She's still not hip hop, almost doesn't count like Brandy said. On the song "Check The Rhime" off A The Tribe Called Quest's album "The Low End Theory", Q-Tip reiterates, "Rap is not Pop, if you call it that then stop" then the bass drums drop. Now that's hip hop, if you don't believe it and still don't know what hip hop is then "Check The Rhime" y'all. Peace.

There is no denying that "Holla Back" is a pop song, but it is definitely INSPIRED by Hip-Ho p and ya'll know that sh!t is true. The song is made pep rallies and parties and sh!t. It's a real light song and works for the spunky lil white girl marketing gimmick that they got lined up for Gwen ( Its the same tactic they used for Pink's first album so don't be fooled). F**"k da dumb shit, we all know it ain't Hip-Hop, but that don't mean it don't f**k up the place when the DJ's play it in the clubs, and that don't mean its wrong for you to like it either. The sh!t sound a like a Mssy song to me, like "Pass That Dutchh " or some bullsh!t like dat; but I don't hear y'all f**kin with Missy-@ss

Okay, let's rewind twenty some odd years ago to "oh Mickey you're so fine" and then let's pop back into 2005. Gwen's 35 years old and bringin it back, and I reiterate my point by presenting the video as exhibit B. Of course it's not hip-hop, it's some marching band/retro shit cooked up nice by the Neptunes. Just cause Pharrell is in the video doesn't make it hip hop either, just hip hop by proxy like N.E.R.D.--quasi-soul music that's somewhere in between. You can't firmly put it in one category, but many will try.

fuck gwen. dont song sucks. what the fuck is the point of the song. first of all the only reason the song is so high up on the charts its because the white people like it so much. aint no real people diggin it its all some white bullshit. so fuck that song. bannanas? what the fuck. go get some real fucking lyrics and take some more signing lessons. fuck that song

Now you guys know if it was the exact same lyrics and beat and say Eve or Missy Elliott was singing it there wouldn't be a problem you guys would classify it as a hiphop song. Sounds like a black/white issue to me! Whatever the song is hot with a hip hot beat.

Bump that white or black da song is bs n 1 mo thing da
south is finally shining so deal wit it u bitches

"Hollaback Girl" is a pop song which is inspired by contemporary hip-hop culture. What the f**k is so hard to get about that... f**k this stupid post!! by the way What in heaven's name is a "hollaback girl"?
Y'all need to hop on some of that SF/Oakland/Bay Area hype... way different from any other rap scene in the country! The sound is fresh, hooks are crazy..wow!! download keak da Sneak 'superhyphie'..siiick!! Mac Dre - Thizzelle dance or Feelin' myself - WHOOA!
Big ups to DJ MIRATEC fo reppin the Yay

There is a big percentage of people who still have trouble reading a simple one-lined sentence. There is no way in the world that anything that somebody says is going to stop people from liking whichever type of music they like, but for the sake of not digressing the question is and once again we reiterate "Is Hollaback Girl Hip Hop Enough?". No it is not hip hop enough, it is not hip hop at all.

If you like the song then why should it matter if it is hip hop enough or not. For true hip hop heads, peep how everyone strays from the simplicity of the question in their attempts to force that song into categorization as hip hop. If you learn nothing else from this, you will see how powerful and prestigious hip hop was and can be. The reason hip hop is no longer the golden thing that it was is because too many people with power, influence but no taste or idea of what hip hop is are trying to cram and overstuff a potent form of music with mad amounts of filler and consequently dilute hip hop into watered down kool-aid that has too much sugar. Hip hop was not founded on sweetness, but a sense of urgency to inspire urban reform from the stereotypical to the practical. Hip hop had the power to be the soundtrack of a visit to the Social Services office when one applied for food stamps because it addressed the issues of people needing alternative solutions to their current predicaments.

"Hollaback Girl" is Status Quo music, music that seeks to maintain the way things are, music that stagnants progression. "Hollaback Girl" is stagnant. We didn't want to dis the song but because people keep forcing the issue, here is light. Ja Rule made the slang term "holla" back in like late 1998, 1999. That term is old. Hip hop heads in the know don't say that anymore just like we don't use terms like "that's sweet" or "def". Hip hop is going to hell because "fly" music used to be "cool" now everything is "hot", burning up the charts and going to hell nicely packaged in plastic and a handbasket.

Too many crossover people are trying to be "down", we like people for their differences just as they are. You don't have to act out of your National Census Report of the population demographic classification. If you did not have to work your first job until after college, you're not "down", you are up. If you got your first car before you got your first job, your not "down".If you are 30 years old and still get an allowance with which to by your CDs every month, you're not "down". Like Tupac said on "White Man's World", they wanna be like the have-nots ,you see. There's no reason for a white-boy to try to act hard, thug up and wear bandanna when he has a home in nice neighborhood, a new car before high school graduation, and his own room with cable, playstation 2, X-Box 360, and etc.

Some people do not have much motivation in life beyond hip hop, that's why everyone and their family wants to be a rapper. Because a lotta people lean on hip hop so hard, that's all the more reason why the artform needs to be highly selective and inscrutable at most. There was a time when a lack of motivation to "Do The Right" was countered by the positive messages in hip hop music, art creativity, dance, and education.

L'il Kim is a prime example of the abuse of the artform in the negative portrayals of luxury, riches, violence, murder, and promiscuous sex to excess beyond practicality. We're not trying to pull Kim's card but maybe somebody can learn something from that situation. Mindless, asinine music's decadence is evident if you listen to it all weekend long and end up in the social services office on Monday to apply for a public assistance check because L'il Kim had you thinking it was o.k. to randomly f*ck Tom, Dick, and Harry, and to top it off your best girl big-upped you for it and was like that girl that Kobe Bryant f*cked that bragged about it to all her friends and couldn't repeat the sexcapade enough so was probably like "Hollaback Girl". What?

No that's not hip hop, that's ho hop. Not to have a bone to pick with Gwen Stefani or her song because actually we like Gwen Stefani and her song, but we're not going to silently stand around and watch every Justin Timberlake, get crammed into the hip hop category to the detriment of the genre. If anybody can't relate to these said situations then guess what?, You're not 'hood, you're not hard, you're not real, you're not thug, you're not hip hop. You're like Gwen Stefani with her low-rider pants, on the outside looking at everbody that's "Trapped" in the ghetto like Tupac said on his first album 2pacalypse, you now before his "Thug Life" banter. The way Gwen Stefani dresses is misleading all these young girls out here that end up pregnant way too early in life with stagnant minds and hot bodies talking about they don't now who the baby's daddy is.

Instead of cultivating their minds. You didn't see here checking for Eve during the Ruff Ryders vol. 1 album did you. No. Why, well let's just say that Eve didn't have enough money then, ya heard. If it takes an education to get the money, then hip hop needs to start stressing that. If Gwen Stefani is not chilling with those who have not enough money to entertain her company, then as a guest of rap she should promote education in rap instead trying to pick up on the catch phrase of 8 or so years ago, ya dig.

We like Kelly Clarkson, 3 Doors Down, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, The Police, and a plethora of others. We like appreciable music, not so we can have "street cred" (another poser slang term)and chill on the set but because of geniuine appreciation of the music. We even liked that song, hows it go, "Oh Mickey you so fine, you don't understand, you take me by the heart when you take me by the hand", but guess what, Its Still Not Hip Hop. Just say we walked into a record store and picked up a hip hop record at random because hip hop's integrity was up to par where you really couldn't go wrong with whatever you picked up, we would be very disappointed to pick up that Gwen Stefani joint when we had a taste for hip hop, not rap, hip pop, or crossover, but hip hop. Rap is not pop, if you call it that then stop. Peace.

Yaknow, I respect your post but have to disagree with you on a couple of points. You're coming down hard on Gwen man, real hard. First of all regarding the comment that she wasn't checking for Eve during the Vol. 1 album well during those days Gwen was still with No Doubt and making No Doubt music with her band. Hollaback Girl is Gwen Steffani music off of Gwen Steffani's album. Basically what SHE wants to do.

Hollaback or Gwen's album can not be categorized in the same context as most Lil' Kim songs or albums. You're also making a lot of assumptions regarding what Gwen thinks such as she's "looking down" on the poor blacks etc. We don't know that. Gwen is not promoting any sort of promiscuous behavior in young women. Hollaback Girl is a positive fun song. It's not the take over people don't get paranoid. Gwen made a fun pop song with a hip-hop appeal. It's about as hip hop as "Hey Ya."

Skyself, we wish much peace to you. We can appreciate your check on us, it is reminiscent of the responsibility of a brother to help keep his fellow brother in check. May peace adorn your path most favorably. My post as well as many others has digressed a bit. Opportunity knocked, but he didn't call before he came, and we may have very well used this post to elaborate on the responsibility of hip hop as a side commentary. Gwen Stefani is actually a refreshing mode of kickback when compared to the radio's current #1 hits that are of such epicurean abandon. If there were but a few more rappers that were as spirited as Gwen yet more honed to the tune of dedicated hip hop without the oblivious excesses there would be little to constructively criticize. Peace SkySelf, are we our brothers' keepers? Yes we are. PEACE.

what? we aint commin hard on Gwen. first of all she sucks. no doubt was alright but nothing good or great. and now she trying by her self. well fuck that cuz that song is wack. if yah wanna hear something hit up slim thug cuz the south is comin so get ready. and no one is feeling the fucking bannana song.exept them white people and for some few exeptions. but I aint trying to be racist or anything. im just categoricing the song. and its my opinion. which is that that song makes no fucking sence and is some white pop shit. categoricing again cuz she is white and its pop. so fuck that song go get a real fucking song to talk about.

To cause dissension among diplomatical minds is not our aim, but 7-1-3 has spoken the truth. Right is right and wrong is wrong and the truth is not always either, but the truth IS aside from all speculation or perceptions through falsehoods.

The Truth is Love and both are conducive to truly living and enjoying life for what it is in all honesty rather than living a temporary lie. The Truth crushed to the Earth will Rise and Always will Be when falsehoods perish and fade away unto nothingness.

True friends will tell you when you are wrong while fake friends will leave you unchecked because they are not concerned about your successful development into the great person you can really be through truth. Gwen Stefani lacks friends for they seek only to grease their pockets along with hers yet her career longevity is true to the art that arises from within her and not her ability to mimic the art of others for contemporary success. We do not dislike Gwen, we can just see her trying really hard when who she is should be almost effortless. PEACE.

7-1-3, continue to wield the truth and a champion you shall be.

No way that shit is hip hop. What a fuckin joke. You need to keep that crap off the rap and hip hop stations. Top 40 pop stations can have it... if rock stations want it...let them have it too...don't think they should.

If i'm drunk in a club and hollaback comes on i'll dance like an idiot to it...doesn't mean it's hip hop. Alot of people in the clubs, out here in socal like different types of music. Especially the females...the shit is still top 40 pop whether people dance to it at a hip hop club or not. Just because you go to a hip hop club doesn't mean the only music you listen to is hip hop.

WHO CARES!! THE SONG IS DOPE!!!

Yo the song is hot and yo she is a cool artist but the broad even said from her own mouth that she is not hip hop and does not want to be classified as such so bET and hot 97 fall back son! Lv her shit on mtv and vh1 Early!

why yall open to one way of doing shit one way of thought never expand niggaz thats why most of yall never go any where, we treat music like society treats us ,if it doesnt look like us or sound like us its wack then we turn around and ask for equal treatment,broaden your horizon.

Charles,
It's not about broadening our horizon. When i turn on a hip hop station i want to hear hip hop, not top 40, no nsync...when i turn on a rock station i don't want to hear hip hop i don't want to hear gangstarr...if stations were based on your point they would all be the same, that doesn't work

Well said alexoc949, different tastes in music are comparable to tastes in general. Imagine asking for a garden salad and some chef with broadened horizons with no since relativity chocked your salad up with a heaping helping of Tootsie rolls, some butterscotchs, licorice, popcorn for garnish, all over a nice bed of pistachio ice cream. Sure it may be good to some, but when you have your mind set on long-term health versus satiating a temporary craving for sweets, that might not be quite what you were expecting based upon the usual response to your requests and your sense of regularity.

"Hollaback Girl" on the hip hop stations is like a skateboard on the incoming tidalling waves or a surfboard on the asphalt. Both are spectacular ideas, but both are particularly better suited, respectively, in the environments for which they were designed to operate. Everything that you can do, is not always what you should do. PEACE.

I respects everyone opinions on this blog but "HollaBack Girl" is not hip hop.
"Hey Ya" really wasn't hip hop either. Big Boi's track "The way u move" was.
BET is pimping out our youths, that's why they want the song to play all day. Those fuckers actually let 13 year old kids vote to keep hearing the same stupid songs. The number 1 slot is usually Bow Wow's or B2K or some other straight POP artist. And when they get tired of hearing it the song, they retire it because they know it'll keep coming at #1 if they don't.
The song itself though is not bad. A lot of creativity. But no way is it hip hop, like Nelly's song with Christina Aguilera but you know BET played the shit out of it.

This debate is foolish the song is NOT ONE BIT HIP-HOP aside from her using a couple slang words. The beat is NOT AT ALL HIP-HOP. If you don't believe me sing, Hey Mickey your so fine your so fine you blow my mind hey Mickey clap, clap, clap, hey Mickey, over that beat and tell me its not the same song. So if Mickey wasn't hip-hop why should Hollaback Girl be? I don't get it.

QUIT HATIN' ON GWEN SHE'S DOING HER THING. I LIVE IN DENVER, COLORADO AND OUR HIP HOP STATIONS PLAY THE SHIT OUTTA THAT SONG, THERE'S EVEN A REGGAETON REMIX. WHO DECIDES WHAT'S HIP HOP ANYWAYS. DR. DRE PRODUCED "RICH GIRL" FOR GWEN AND EVE, THE NEPTUNES PRODUCED "HOLLABACK GIRL" IN MY OPINION "HOLLABACK GIRL" IS WAY MORE HIP HOP THAN "RICH GIRL" AND "RICH GIRL" FEATURED A RAPPER. WHERE DO Y'ALL HATERS LIVE ANYWAY? BLACK FOLKS LOVE GWEN STEFANI, JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, JON B AND DON'T CARE THAT THEY'RE WHITE. JON B DID A SONGS WITH 2PAC, GURU, AND SCARFACE, IS THAT HIP HOP ENOUGH? IF PHARRELL'S INVOLVED IT'S HIP HOP. BET USED TO PLAY THAT JOINT BY CHRISTINA AGUILERA AND LIL' KIM "CAN'T HOLD US DOWN", THEY ALSO USED TO PLAY "SLAVE" BY BRITNEY SPEARS, NOT TO MENTION "LADY MARMALADE" IT MATTERS MORE SO ABOUT THE BEAT AND PRODUCERS THAN ANYTHING ELSE. ALL THOSE SONGS WERE PRODUCED BY HIP HOP PRODUCERS LIKE MISSY ELLIOTT, ROCKWILDER, THE NEPTUNES, TIMBALAND, ETC. THE MORE THE LINE BETWEEN HIP HOP AND POP IS BLURRED, THE BETTER IT IS FOR HIP HOP. I JUST HEARD "JESUS WALKS" ON A TOP 40 STATION NOT A HIP HOP STATION. SAME WITH SONGS LIKE "YEAH", "RAISE UP", "99 PROBLEMS", "DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT" IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR HIP HOP TO REACH THE MASSES IN PLACES THAT DON'T GET HIP HOP RADIO. QUIT HATIN' AND JUST BE HONEST YOU MAD 'CAUSE SHE'S WHITE.

The song is not HIP-HOP and it is not rap, but it is still a hot song to me. Gwen said she isn't RAPPER/HIP-HOP artist, but they play her on those type of radio stations. Is that her fault. No. Someone high up noticed that fans of R&B and RAP were feeling the song, and they said, "Hey let see how this does on the other stations". It's obvious the program directors at the stations must have noticed request for the song after it was played.

I know what Q-Tip said, but unfortunately a "pop" song doesn't designate non-rap or hip-hop songs, it designates "POP"ular songs. So if it's a country song, classical or jazz; if it's popular it's pop music. If your song is in the Top 40 on Billboard, guess what? Your song is a Top 40 song.

Now if you are listening to an R&B/Hip-Hop station they play they generally play the Top 40 R&B/Hip-Hop and crossover Top 40 "mainstream" songs (usually the same song around the same time every day). I do know that there are all request hours and stations, but ask them to play Cool C, "Glamorous Life" or some Three Times Dope. If they play it you will be lucky because most of the time they'll ask/tell you want song to request if it is not a current or past hit. Of course, unless you pay Funkmaster Flex about 10 or 20k (which is illegal), he'll play your song 5 times in a row. Ultimately, if the program director says play it, it's played.

Overall, radio plays what people are buying the most, in respect to radio station genre, unless it's an independent radio station.

RAP is the MUSIC; the Kool G. Rap, the LL Cool J, etc. HIP-HOP is an continuously evolving WAY OF LIFE, B-Boying, breakdancing, Phat Farm, Ecko, Tagging, etc.

If you look at some other genre singers or bands they maybe rock, country or whatever. Look at Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit. Rock bands that dress HIP-HOP and have a RAP influence.

As I conclude this response, I just want people to know that HIP-HOP is the way to live, a way of life, and this way of life is dominating the world right now. Though people may not be 100% HIP-HOP the influence is there. Country stars wearing baggy jeans with a little sag; heavy metal bands sporting Rocawear and Sean John.

I would not consider Gwen's song RAP or consider her a rap artist, but her video personifies HIP-HOP.

yaknow...."You're not 'hood, you're not hard, you're not real, you're not thug, you're not hip hop."

Are you saying you have to have these qualities to be hip-hop? If that's the case middle class folk and above can never be hip-hop. That would include people like Kanye West, Pharrell, and others who didn't live the lifestyle you describe, but are still considered hip-hop.

If that's not what you meant. MY BAD DOG!!!!

Medicine Man, we're not talking about "rap" we're not talking about "thug" whatever that is. We're talking about hip-hop, once again we will reiterate, Hip hop is a culture, a way of life of upliftment, even a dispensing of tools to assist people in gaining some sense of knowledge of self that they may uplift themselves.

Hip hop is a good time that doesn't necessarily have to involve the use of mind-numbing drugs that eventually lead to the entertaining of mind-numbing music versus music with a clear concise message that seeks to bring about a positive change versus the stagnancy of a status quo that sees the radios top 5 hits played amongst listeners, who resemble, socio-economically, the people that instituted the artform called hip hop, yet those listening people are in a rut or state of stagnancy or cycle of indigency. Why?

It might be because the top 5 hits confuses education and being educated with being a Nerd (peep the SOHH, The Core feature DEGREEZ OF HOTNESS) and being consistently incarcerated as the masterbation king of the cell block with being a thug.

MedicineMan, we don't intend to offend you, but unless you have learned to jerk-off every due to incarceration around lots of incarcerated men as a means to release sexual tension, then you are not a thug either, your not hard either. Being penally hard (referring to your penis as well as the penal system) is a problem while incarcerated because that means that you, like some takers of Viagra, are faced with the dilemma of getting rid of an erection by means of masterbating on a consistent basis or learning to develop a sexual interest or appreciation for the same sex, your choice.

That's the price to pay for being able to wear the moniker of a hardened thug who is able to get his penis hard off of viewing men or women, that's what it means to be "Hard" and a "homo-thug". You figure out what the "core" means in "Hardcore", ask L'il Kim, she may or may not tell you. It's not all sweet dude, no offense. Really, who wants to be a "thug"? We said all that to clear up the "thug" misconception because its been wrongly misinterpretted for awhile now.

Peep the documentary, "Tupac:Resurrection" where Tupac, the originator of "Thug-Life as most know it, speaks about his stint in prison, those dudes aren't hard they are humble and respectful so that things do not jump off, like they really could in such a harsh environment. Chaos and anarchy spare no victors.

We just don't see where "It ain't no hollaback girl" incessantly repeated over, and over, and over and over again is going to help some uplift themselves after they have endured a stint of incarceration, be that one innocent or guilty. Can you picture seeing some men or young boys getting raped and then falling back to hear "Hollaback Girl" deliver some answers for upliftment after all that? You don't want to see that and neither do we want you to see that. Maybe you could see the futility in being "hard "or a "thug" without it having to come down to all of that, capisce?

Hip hop is an artform that contains rapping as an aspect, and if you want to, you could forcibly place Gwen Stefani somewhere in there, but it would be a tight fit. Nothing against Gwen Stefani on a personal level, she is gorgeously beautiful, but do not get side-tracked from the issue of the blog at hand, "Is Hollaback Girl Hip Hop Enough". If all the problems of the world were suddenly solved overnight, there would be no need for a distinction between different forms of music, how they were conceived and their purpose. Until then, "Hollaback Girl" is not Hip hop, we sorry but hip hop is needed rap is optional.

The keyword to lookout for is "Enough", in the sense that, is it EFFECTIVE? Effective, for example, as in having "the crabs" and being administered an ointment or some medicine that is not EFFECTIVE enough to bring about an appreciable change or to remedy the illness as per the development of the study of medicine to yield a cure or hip hop to uplift. Like when Eminem said "Amoxycillin is not real enough".

"Hollaback Girl" is not going to really help anyone from the inside of an economical disparity. As rap it is merely something to do listlessly. Hip hop was founded for free yet of substance as a type of Public Assistance Music, regardless of anybody's hue or ethnicity. Hip hop can help one see their way through a black hole so to speak, it can change one's course from death-bound to life affirming, that's Hip hop.

"Hollaback Girl", played in the clubs, is going to send one mind-numbedly, elated of the catchy tune and insubstantial lyrics, running to the bar for yet ANOTHER drink that may just be the one to lead to that last accident. You would have to be out of your gourd or the owner of a shallow one to be so enthused of such a trivial, capricious, frivolous song. By the way what is a "Hollaback Girl"? Could some advocate for that song to be considered Hip Hop sympathetically shed some light on that enigma that baffles scientists, the makers of Viagra, and mathematicians alike.

Maybe that song has some inexplicable meaning that only a few can decipher. We don't really think so, just as Diamonds Are Forever, Never Say Never. No offense, but when constructively criticizing or standing next to such construction, wear a hard hat. If anything in this post resembles anyone real or fictional it is purely coincidental. This is a recording, this is recording, this is a reeeecooooooordinnnnnnnnnnnngghhhhh. Sike, keep the passion y'all, its what memorable moments are made of. Be cool MedicineMan, you're alright with us, but "Hollaback Girl" is, guess what......................................................................................It's still not Hip Hop, Rap maybe, MAYBE, but it is not hip hop.Peace Be unto you all. We all need some peace. PEACE.

who says they can't play non hip hop on hip hop stations? I think that the song is a likable song no matter what genre it is!! Its just a fun song to hear, and a lot of ppl love it, and a lot of ppl think its annoying.

Dear MedicineMan, in a nutshell, Hip Hop ahs a sense of urgency while rap is like whenever, whatever, however, maybe never.

Oh, and also, don't get it twisted, Pharrell is not Hip hop because he has some decent production skills and techniques, that's just mainstream rap, remember Hip Hop was far from mainstream when its essence began to manifest.

Snoop is not Hip hop because everybody and their mother wants to say "fa schizzle, izzle wizzle" or whatever the insubstantial bullschizucks.

Kanye is not necessarily Hip hop popularity was due in part to the then, new fandangled fad of the emcees (producer too in his case) that were dang near maimed by near-death experiences and overcame their physical afflictions to appeal to the shallow masses.

You could walk over the shallow fickle masses before they would allow a truly integrable artist that holds water and reason to be appreciated. Hip hop is not "POP" until it becomes popular to notice the poorer people around you who you could help if you're as rich as your favorite, skateboarding, b*tch slapping and smacking, Lord's name in vain taking, idol appearing in angel's wings wearing idols. When Hip Hop becomes popular, there will be peace and no need of the "thug", until then, Peace Be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

YAKNOW YOU TYPE ALL THEM WORDS BUT YOU AIN'T SAYING SHIT WITH 'EM. YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOUR HIP HOP UNTIL YOU BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND YOUR MUSIC IS PLAYED ALONG MAINSTREAM ARTISTS AND YOU'RE AN EASILY RECOGNIZABLE CELEBRITY. THAT IS THE DUMBEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD. OF COURSE HIP HOP IS FAR FROM IT'S ORIGINS, IT STARTED WITH BREAKDANCERS, DJS, MCS, AND GRAFITTI ARTISTS HANGING OUT IN THE PARK IN THE BRONX IN THE LATE 70'S. HOW ARE YOU GONNA SAY THAT KANYE, SNOOP, AND PHARRELL AREN'T HIP HOP? WHAT IS HIP HOP THEN? PEOPLE ACT LIKE OLD SCHOOL RAPPERS WERE SO FUCKING DEEP, BUT IT WAS ALL ROLLER SKATING, DISCO MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING. EVEN THE LATER SHIT WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF GRANDMASTER FLASH, PUBLIC ENEMY, AND KRS-ONE, WHAT KIND OF DEEP PROFOUND MESSAGES WERE IN LL COOL J'S OR RUN-D.M.C. OR BIG DADDY KANE OR KOOL G. RAP'S MUSIC? RAP DIDN'T GET DEEP UNTIL THE EARLY 90'S WITH MC LYTE, NAS, QUEEN LATIFAH, A TRIBE CALLED QUEST, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, AND OUTKAST. EVEN THE HARDEST RAPPERS HAVE SOME REAL EMOTIONAL SONGS LIKE BIGGIE HAS "THINGS DONE CHANGED", 2PAC HAS "LIFE GOES ON", MASTER P HAS "I MISS MY HOMIES", JAY-Z HAS "YOU MUST LOVE ME", ICE CUBE HAS "IT WAS A GOOD DAY", AND DMX HAS "SLIPPIN'". WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE AGAINST HIP HOP GROWING AND EXPANDING? WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BETTERING YOURSELF AND BECOMING SUCCESSFUL? IF YOUR BOSS OFFERS YOU A RAISE DO YOU TURN IT DOWN? I MEAN COME ON NOW. SELLING TONS OF RECORDS OR BEING WHITE IN GWEN'S CASE DOESN'T DISQUALIFY FROM BEING EMBRACED BY THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY. BY THE WAY MEDICINEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT BLAZEMCHERBS SAID NOT WHAT YAKNOW SAID, HE JUST LOOKED AT THE TOP OF THE POST INSTEAD OF THE BOTTOM, BUT YOU STILL DECIDED TO BLESS US WITH ANOTHER 10 PAGES OF BULLSHIT. ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT JACKING OFF AND GOING TO JAIL WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I COULD TAKE THAT SHIT TO THE CIA AND THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YEAH I TYPE A LOT TOO, BUT I'M SAYING SOMETHING AND COUNTERING WHAT YOU SAY SO IT HAS TO BE LONG AS FUCK.

THA ARSINIST...thanks for summing up what I had to say, and thanks for looking out on the that quote with the wrong source. You saved me a lot of typing, but I will reiterate and support some of your points.

yaknow...dawg...you lost me when you started talking about penises, little boys and incarceration.

Anyway, you say Snoop isn't HIP-HOP because everyone is using his slang. WTF?!?! So it's his fault he appealled to many masses and they started using his slang? I guess getting the word "fa-shizzle" put into the dictionary is not an accomplishment but selling out?

I guess the forefathers of rap music and the hip-hop culture (Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambatta, DJ Red Alert, etc.) don't see that as an accomplishment but a disgrace? I guess DJ Kool Herc, Busy Bee, and Grandmaster Melle Mel don't like the fact the rap/hip-hop is worldwide?

Dude I was born in the infancy of rap (1976), and getting a rap song played on a R&B station when I was growing up was unheard of. You would hear a few commercial songs; "White Lines", "Ride the White Horse", other than that you had to tune in to AM WRAP where I grew up (VA).

I don't understand people with your opinion. I remember growing up and hearing the forefathers say they want their music played on radio stations all over the world. They want every one to listen to and enjoy this new form of music.

Rap/Hip-Hop wasn't and has never been just to send a conscious/serious message. It is also for entertainment. I was breakdancing to The Fat Boys talking about "All You Can Eat" or Whodini "The Freaks Come Out at Night". When I was around 13 Public Enemy came about, they let me know what was going on in the U.S., the problems are race was having. At the same time I was feeling The Juice Crew (Big Daddy Kane, MC Shan, Craig G, etc), Steady B and Kid N Play.

You remind of the cat in prison on "In Living Color" played by Damon Wayans, with your speech. By the way Rap came before Hip-Hop, that's why if you look at old school pictures you see those cats with spiked bracelets and stuff like the rock groups of the time.

In the end all is good. You have your opinion, I have my facts. If needed I can point you in the right direction.

Dear THA ARSINIST, we never said anything about becoming mainstream rap artists, you did, once again people are projecting their inner selves, feelings and personal opinions upon others without adequate information, and without any basis mind you.

Some of you consistently mention the color of Gwen Stefani's skin, when actually we didn't even know she was "white". Chalk is white and so is notebook paper to a degree, but we really do not see Gwen's skin being the same color as those two items. On that note "Vanilla Ice" gets more props for accuracy than anyone else who says she's "white". We were never ever aware that there were really any "white" people in the sense that Crayola makes a white crayon which bears no resemblance to Gwen Stefani's complexion. Capisce. Nor have we seen a "black" individual either. Some of you all are so "smart" that you all are somewhat divisive and then have the nerve to try to project your propensity for divisiveness onto other people. That's not right. Now is it? Feel free to disagree, yet by doing so we'll see who is preoccupied with color to the point of being color-struck and has color-of-skin issues. All is well that ends well.

The Early-School artists (because there is no Old-School of Hip hop, Hip hop isn't even 50 years old, and maybe then it will be consisting of an Old-School and/or a New or Current-School) did not have to say anything of exceeding depth, it was the fact that earlier rap artists saw all the negativity that was going on around them and they omitted glorification of drugs and materialism out of their rhymes as a sense focus. Pro-usage of drugs was never really a focal theme until Cypress Hill.

So you see it wasn't what the Early-School rappers said, but actualy what they didn't say. If they mentioned drugs, it was only momentarily,and it was not to promote them, but to raise awareness as to why they were to be avoided because the topic of drugs in Early-School Hip hop alerted would-be users to the failures and futility of "Chronic" drug users.

These days rap artists mention drugs, like cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol and liquor, and the winner of the Peoples' Choice of Drugs Award, marijuana casually like its a given or a requirement. Yet they do not usually mention the hazards of getting involved with these substances.

MedicineMan, you said we lost you on the note of "penises, little boys, and incarceration", yet you claim Snoop is Hip hop. Did you ever consider Snoop's 1994 hit "Murder Was The Case", probably not. The portrayal of incarceration was even mentioned with such dark imagery to portray to you the extent to which Hip hop can deal with sensitive issues along the lines of being a preventative measure. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

Take it as a PSA even, (public service announcement) that lots of people tend to ignore as a waste of time. It may help somebody else to who the subject matter is relevant. If the music is not helping people in serious need, then it is not relevant enough to be deemed Hip hop. What are you guys gonna say next THA ARSINIST/MedicineMan aka Gasoline, that someone needs "Hollaback Girl" because they'll die if they don't get the PSA in that song, there is no PSA in that song.

P.S. You guys get "The Gas Face" courtesy of 3rd Bass, Pete Nice and MC Serch. Y'all think Pharrell is Hip hop, you guys are wack. Dude is a skateboarder cashing in on Hip hop's decline thats let anything in under the guise of being Hip hop if its "POP". Yo, Big Up to that dude alexoc949, peep that post you wannabes. You guys are devoid of Hip hop regardless of color, but because y'all want to be James Dean, "Rebel Without A Cause" instead of Public Enemy's "Rebel Without A Pause". It's better to stand for something than to fall for anything.

Actually, "Hollaback Girl" is a waste of time until someone can enlighten us as to what is meant by a "Hollaback Girl" or whatever the heck its supposed to be.

You see if Snoop were to continue "Murda Was The Case" at the end were he was incarcerated you would have heard of the aforementioned "penises, little boys, or incarceration" because Snoop says "cause you can't tell what's next, and he speaks of how inmates scrape toothbrushes on the floor to make shanks. You were probably lost when Snoop mentioned those parts in "Murda Was The Case", and he's one of Your icons of Hip hop, MedicineMan.

Honestly, MedicineMan how would YOU know what's Hip hop even if you were allowed to expound upon your own examples of Hip hop and failed to do so? No offense, but you wouldn't know Hip hop if it bit you, or fell out of a tree in the form of an apple that hit you.

Your ignorance of what is Hip hop enough (relating to the wording of this blog) MedicineMan, conveys a lack of critical thinking skills and a need for companionship, hence your need to ally yourself with THA ARSINIST who is also unfortunately way of course with the subject at hand in his need to make color of skin an issue. Your ignorance MedicineMan (Ignorant meaning to not be aware of the true facts) and lack of attention to the lyrics of "Murda Was The Case" by Snoop Doggy Dogg, and "Hollaback Girl" and probably any song shows your propensity to not be an adept listener capable of being able to discern lyrics, meanings of songs, essential qualities needed to be able to deem one's self a qualified purveyor of what is Hip hop (enough) and what is not.

You have a selective memory MedicineMan, you and THA ARSINIST, unfortunately and that is no fault of ours. You guys are not able to even tell us what a "Hollaback Girl" is Yet you defend the song as Hip hop, among all the other things that it could be, so vehemently.

It is only because of you guys' potential (we hope) to comprehend, that we even attempt to explain. Though as time passes, its like communicating to a rock that becomes more stationary in thought over time. So it is that you guys lose us along the lines of your combined straying of thought from the question of "What is a "Hollaback Girl?" If it has no worthwhile meaning, then guess what?................Its not Hip hop, let alone Hip hop "enough". Capisce.

For the sake of validity we recommend you guys search earnestly for the method behind the mad mindlessness that is the driving force behind "Hollaback Girl", before you guys make it a point to just figure it is Hip hop, and after that search a little bit more to find ANOTHER reason why it is Hip hop enough or else we might think that you guys can not read enough to correctly respond to the question asked by the blog.

If we have frustrated anyone, don't be mad get off the dope, its still not legal yet, but if that's your means of acquiring peace, then so be it. Some of you guys are stoners and you know it that's why that song "Hollaback Girl" flies with you all. We like that song to, that jawnt is quite alright. That jawnt has a groove amongst grooves, nut that not the issue.

Peep the post by alexoc949 to get properly orientated if you guys are disoriented and emotional. We Love Y'all regardless of what you might think. Keep your Passion to disagree. Isn't that America and the freedom we appreciate? Of course it is, don't get it twisted. Peace Be unto you all. We all need some peace. PEACE.

Yaknow (and whoever else thinks they no what hip-hop isn't)...First I'll get to the point of the board. Stefani's song, no it doesn't make sense, well the chorus doesn't, the verse is about how she is going to fight someone, oh well, but if you continue to read you will see that it is Hip-Hop. By the way I noticed I mixed something up in my post. I said Rap came before Hip-Hop, I meant to say the reverse Hip-Hop was 1st and Rap is part of the Hip-Hop culture. Now I want you to read these excerpts from www.daveyd.com :

AFRIKA BAMBAATAA'S DEFINITION OF HIP HOP?

"Hip Hop means the whole culture of the movement.. when you talk about rap..Rap is part of the hip hop culture..The emceeing..The djaying is part of the hip hop culture. The dressing the languages are all part of the hip hop culture...and the music is colorless.. Hip Hop music is made from Black, brown, yellow, red, white.. WHATEVER MUSIC THAT GIVES YOU THE GRUNT.. that funk.. that groove or that beat.. It's all part of hip hop....So hip hop has progressed into different sounds and different avenues...Hip Hop has experimented with a lot of different styles of music and there's a lot of people who have brought different changes over time with hip hop.. which have brought out all these funky records which everybody just started jumpin' on like a catch phrase...Unfortunately today a lot of the people who created hip hop...don't control it anymore" (I think this is your concern, partially mine too)

GRANDMASTER FLASH'S DEFINITION OF HIP HOP

"When I laid this foundation down.. the key was we could take almost anything musically just as long as it had a beat to it.. so that the rhymer who flowed over the top of it could syncopate.. For anybody to say that whatever they're doing in Florida is not hip hop..or whatever they're saying in LA is not hip hop.. Who are these people to say that?.. There were songs that Bambaataa played that to this day I still don't know.. They were so funky.. Some of the ones I got the priviledge to know..I was suprised...

For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along..."

Damn, that's some powerful stuff. Yaknow...It seems to me you disagree with some of the pioneers of hip-hop culture.

Yaknow...I must say I agree with you on the glorification of drug use, killing and "money is everything mentality". It's being overused right now. I see no problem with occasional songs like that. Like back in the day with "If I Ruled The World" by Kurtis Blow or some Schoolly D.

These days it's kind of hard for young cats to turn down the money that is being offered as long as they rap about the aformentioned subjects. If you have seen the Extras on Jay-Z "Fade to Black" DVD, he's talking to a up and coming artist in the studio. The artist is saying he doesn't want to rap about that stuff, but the label is pushing him to do it. Which is F'd up. He could easily say "no", but that green devil makes you do things sometimes you will later regret.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. In your opinion:

To be considered hip-hop you have to have a message in your song that people can use in a positive way?

Hip-hop should not be commercialized?

My disagreement with you is what is considered hip-hop and what isn't. In 94 I wasn't really into Snoop, I was more into Wu-Tang and Mobb Deep. So I really can't tell you anything about that particular Snoop album. Ultimately, according the GMF, "people who say, 'this is not hip hop'is wrong"

Did I say anything about color?
As far as I know I didn't just because I'm black doesn't mean anything. Music has no color. If anything you referred to the "white station KROCK"

"MedicineMan, you said we lost you on the note of 'penises, little boys, and incarceration', yet you claim Snoop is Hip Hop." Again, look at the above excerpts or just go to the site www.daveyd.com

Go to the site to get further educated and then let me know if Gwen's song isn't Hip-Hop. At first I said no, but now I believe. Now I'm pointing you in the right direction
----> www.daveyd.com

Oh yeah, you said I wouldn't know hip-hop if it bit me. Well. I am hip-hop, hip-hop bit me in womb.

YAKNOW, YAKNOW, YAKNOW. SO WHAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OF YOU BITCHES TYPING THAT SHIT? YOU SAID SO MUCH DUMB SHIT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. WHAT WAS YOUR POINT ABOUT "MURDER WAS THE CASE"? NOBODY THOUGHT SNOOP WAS GLORIFYING PRISON LIFE, NOBODY STILL GETS THAT JACKING OFF SHIT. WHY DOES MUSIC EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A POINT? GWEN'S SONG IS A CLUB BANGER NOTHING MORE. "HOLLABACK GIRL" IS ABOUT BEATING ANOTHER BITCH DOWN, JUST LIKE "GIRLFIGHT". MUSIC IS ABOUT HAVING FUN AND ENTERTAINING PEOPLE WHILE MAKING BOAT-LOADS OF CASH, NOT CHANGING THE WORLD. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, BECOME A POLITICIAN NOT A MUSICIAN. AS FOR GWEN NOT BEING "WHITE" SORRY DUMB-ASS SHOULD I HAVE SAID BAIGE? PEACH? RACE IS AN ISSUE, IF THAT WAS CIARA OR J. LO'S SONG WOULD WE EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION? EVERY NEW THING YOU SAY EXCEEDS THE PREVIOUS ONE IN STUPIDITY. IF FRED DURST CAN RAP, THEN PHARRELL CAN SKATEBOARD. IS CLIPSE OR SLIM THUG HIP HOP SINCE THEY SIGNED TO STAR TRAK? YOU ATTACK EVERBODY ELSES FAVORITE ARTISTS, BUT HAVE FAILED TO EVER MENTION ANYTHING YOU ACTUALLY DO LISTEN TO AND CONSIDER TO BE HIP HOP. BTW, IF "HOLLABACK GIRL" AIN'T HIP HOP WHY DOES IT HAVE A REMIX WITH FAT JOE, CHINGY, AND BUSTA RHYMES? CAPISCE, WHAT'S WITH THAT SHIT ANYWAYS? ARE YOU VICTORIA GOTTI? YOU FUCKING WOP. ONE LAST THING, YOU GUYS HATE ON BUD SMOKERS, YOU SAID "These days rap artists mention drugs, like cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol and liquor, and the winner of the Peoples' Choice of Drugs Award, marijuana casually like its a given or a requirement. Yet they do not usually mention the hazards of getting involved with these substances." I FUCKS BUDDHA ON THE REGULAR AND DRINK DAMN NEAR EVERY WEEKEND WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE HAZARDS OF THESE THINGS? IF YOU DRINK AND DRIVE, THEN YES THAT'S IGNORANT, BUT WHAT AM I GONNA OVERDOSE ON WEED? I FUCKS WITH X AND SHROOMS A FEW TIMES A YEAR TOO, YET I'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED A GOOD JOB AND I AM CURRENTLY IN ENROLLED IN COLLEGE. DON'T HATE WHAT YOU'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED. MAYBE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH HATE IN YOUR BLOOD AND WOULD HAVE A GOOD TIME. NAH, SCRATCH THAT. DUDES LIKE YOU WOULD BE A BUZZKILL AND FUCK UP EVERYBODY'S HIGH.

MedicineMan, you cool dude, its not like you need for us to validate you or anything it seemed like you were lodging your issues synonymously with THA ARSINIST, who we really think is funny with the all caps-type posts. Dude is a straight comedian.

THA ARSINIST is striking at the air like Cuba Gooding Jr. was doing after he was harassed by the African-American patrolman on that movie "Boyz-N-The Hood". Take it easy THA ARSINIST, you're going to blow your own high at the rate at which your getting all excited. With the trees and shrooms and drink you get down with you should be relatively calm, you should chill before you raise your tolerance level. You don't have to get all up in the air with us. We're cool with you too, you just take offense at every little thing dude, don't be so raw.

It was never our aim to get any type of confession from you, but smoking weed or eating 'shrooms or whatever doesn't make you a hip hop afficionado. For the record we been checking out Ghostface's "Pretty Tone" jawnt and that was quite a while ago, but most recently we've been rotating that Gang Starr's "Daily Operation", some of that Red Man "Dare Iz A Darkside" for that creativity Red used to get poppin' off.

Then there's that "People's Instinctive Travels And Paths Of Rhythm" as well as "The Low End Theory" both by A Tribe Called Quest. That Little Brother "The Listening" has that nice throwback flavor and for a little lyrical edge we're looking to check out that Wu-Tang Forever disc 1's "For Heaven's Sake" and "It's Yourz" for a nice little recap.

Then on the alternative side of things there's that Sade's "Love Deluxe" album pssssst classic dude. That jawnt's nice for a relax after mid-terms and finals, for sure. Then when it's time for the crank up we don't mess with that Crunk Music too heavy, maybe a little something, but just for laughs like that Mike Jones' "Back Then" yo, that jawnt's comically ill, like how it used to be back when Slick Rick put that "Indian Girl(An Adult Story" jawnt. Rick was opening up a forum for himself to talk about STD's with sounding too preachy, thats truly clever.

Lots of rappers like Jay-Z and 50-Cent, Chingy, Fat Joe(who used to be dope when he was chillin' with D.I.T.C. and Diamond D, what happened, all of a sudden dude just "POP"ped and got limp with the lyrics) and Busta Rhymes got or had everybody's attention for a good minute and didn't say anything to grow on, and the H.I.V. rate is climbing amongst African-American females to 72% and plus, and these dudes probably banging their groupies so you would think that wouyld be an issue, whether wearing a condom or not.

Since his first solo joint without the Leaders Of The New School, "The Coming" Busta seems to be going out like THat. Dag yo, what's the deal? for reference on some Hip hop check that "Scenario Remix" by A Tribe Called Quest and Leaders Of The New School featuring that ill dude who was killed before that jawnt dropped, He was the first kid that rhymed on it, his name was Kid Hood, dude was lyrically nasty, literally yet tastefull raw as lyrical ferocity goes with a refined delivery that was kind of unheard of back then in 1991.

Black Sheep are ill too on there 1st album "Wolf In Sheeps Clothing" that first track "U Mean I'm Not" was supposed to be a joke, but peep how the rap game has changed to make tracks of that caliber a reality, or really a joke. The same thing with Masta Ace's "Slaughta House" Album that has the title track "Slaughta House" as a type of hyperbolic spoof of gangster rap, but now peep how those lyrics are the caliber of some platinum selling artists nowadays.

We can't call it in terms of an explanation for the state of Hip Hop now become "Hip Pop". Its a mystery to us, yet there are a few classic from earlier on in Hip Hop that suffice to do well for our appetite for Hip Hop. Later folks. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

By the way Gwen Stefani is as fine as she wannabe. She's got no business talking 'bout some physical-type scraps. She doesn't have to prove anything to us, for the record. She's gonna mess around and some other fair skinned chickadee is going to pull her card like that chick caught Leonardo DiCaprio from the blind side at that party, just to make a name for herself. Yo, its not worth it, either you fans like you or you don't but it's not cool to go unsafely out of ones element of security. Like G.I. Joe used to say" Now you know, and Knowing is half the battle. PEACE.

My wife and daughter love that damn song. I hate it and always have. It was on the "white urban station" in ATL but is now getting spins on both hot 107.9 and v103.....

AAAARGGh.....

YAKNOW YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND. SINCE WHEN DO 72% OF AMERICAN BLACK WOMEN HAVE H.I.V.? THAT'S SOME RACIST BULLSHIT RIGHT THERE. AFRICA'S INFECTION RATE IS LESS THAN THAT YOU MORON. IT'S OBVIOUS YOU SOME WHITEBOYS OR AT LEAST SOME FUCKING GUINEAS, TRYING TO SCHOOL US ON THIS HIP HOP SHIT. GET A CLUE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW ANY BLACK FOLKS? IF YOU DID YOU'D KNOW THAT 3/4'S OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE AIDS. PUT UP YOUR LINK ON HERE AS TO WERE YOU FOUND THAT DIS-INFORMATION. FUCKING PUNKS.

You two dudes argue. More power to you if you like that song. It's catchy so I understand why a lot of people like. I require more substance to the music i listen too, it's a little happy go lucky in a 3rd grade way for me.

Again, if you like that song...no problem with ya. I dig gwen steffani, she's a little hottie and some of her no doubt stuff i got into, a bit.

But if you really think that is hip hop, then you really don't know what hip hop is. Not only that, it would be a waste of my breath discussing it with you any further.

have a wonderful day.

this thread is b-a-n-a-n-a-s

Peace to you, yaknow

alexoc949...check out my previous message, especially Grandmaster Flash's comment. That changed my thoughts on how I view hip-hop and how I comment on it. Peace.

By the way, if i don't like something that's hip-hop. I just say I don't like that STYLE of hip-hop.

Dear THA ARSINIST, truly an enquiring mind does want to know and so if it is of any help here that link to the information on the alarming statistics on the H.I.V. rate amongst African-American women, http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0432,coates,55837,6.html

If that info sounds racist to you, then maybe you'll come out better taking that issue up with the reporting journalist Ta-Nehisi Coates, yeah, tell them that THEY'RE racist.

Digable Planets on their first album "Reachin' (A New Refutation Of Time And Space)" said on the song "Pacifics" that "New York is Red Hot", but for N.Y.C. to have triple the H.I.V. numbers as the rest of the country, that's just Illmatic. You can check for that one here at this address, http://champnetwork.org/index.php?name=pagetool_news&news_id=all

Like we said Hip hop with a sense of urgency is needed for emergencies like such. Mess around and punch the wrong person and bleed on each other, it might be more than a disgreeance to resolve. If THA ARSINIST didn't know, and THA ARSINIST knows EVERYTHING, you can only imagine how many other people do not know.

R.Kelly with that "Trapped In The Closet" parts 1-5 is kickin' that real life or death issue that makes his, "If he had relations with the 14 year-old girl that looked 30", incident more of an open and shut case of "if it was consensual, did he wear a condom" issue look like small potatoes, that is relatively speaking. It just goes to show that there's always a lot to be informed and alerted of and with all the music that struggles for Hip Hop status, how many are noteworthy enough to deserve it. Check that address out THA ARSINIST and burn that.

Peace be unto those that need some calm and peace. We all need Peace. PEACE.

Our apologies THA ARSINIST, that address on the H.I.V. rate among African-American females is as follows, http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0432,coates,55837,6.html

Peace be unto you all.PEACE.

Last Time that address is http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0432,coates,55837,6.html and that is a link also off of the other champnetwork address.
PEACE.

THE ARTICLE SAYS: "Black women are alleged to account for 72 percent of all reported cases of HIV between 1999 and 2002." THAT ISN'T THE SAME AS SAYING "the H.I.V. rate is climbing amongst African-American females to 72% and plus". THE ARTICLE SAID THAT BETWEEN THOSE 3 YEARS BLACK WOMEN ACCOUNTED FOR 72% OF ALL NEW CASES OF HIV INFECTION, THAT MEANS THEY MADE UP 72% OF ALL PEOPLE WITH HIV DURING THOSE 3 YEARS. THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN SAYING THAT 72% OF BLACK WOMEN ARE CURRENTLY HIV POSITIVE. YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO READ BETTER AND PUT THOSE THINGS INTO CONTEXT. I AIN'T EVEN GONNA DISS YOU BECAUSE YOU IMPRESSED ME WITH YOUR LAST POST ON THE "ALL I HEAR IS JAY-Z THIS..." BLOG. YOU DUDES ARE OBVIOUSLY PRETTY SMART, BUT STILL GOT SOME WORK TO DO TO FUCK WITH ME.

Yo,
The song ain`t hip hop. period. i respect gwen and everything, but u co*ksuckas that are promoting it as hip hop are exactly what`s wrong with people today. You all don`t see the big picture. Gwen never said the song is hip hop, but every sadass loser that has nothing better to do in their lives is giving her streetcred. First it`s ok for gwen to b hip hop coz she let`s eve hang around on the set of her videos..next thing u know avril lavigne will be trying to get in on it. it`s not a race thing it`s a music thing. That song by little kim and christina was hip hop. but eve and gwen...a freaking joke is what that is.
medecine man get`s a gasface....tha arsinist needs to get a life and gets the gasface....yaknow...peace to yaknow and his organisation
Peace....I`m out

FUCK YOU YOU PUNK BITCH. HOW IS CHRISTINA HIP HOP AND GWEN ISN'T? AS FOR THAT AVRIL COMMENT THAT'S FUCKING EXAGGERATING. NOBODY'S SAYING GWEN IS HIP HOP ALL THE TIME, BUT SOME OF HER SONGS ARE. HOW MANY NON-HIP HOP ARTISTS HAS DR. DRE EVER FUCKED WITH? THE NEPTUNES ARE A DIFFERENT STORY, BUT DRE IS EXCLUSIVELY A HIP HOP PRODUCER AND HE PRODUCED "RICH GIRL" GWEN'S LAST SINGLE FEATURING EVE. I DON'T SEE AVRIL POSING IN PICTURES IN VIBE OR XXL DO YOU? I SEE GWEN ALL THE TIME. MATTER OF FACT, GWEN AND PHARRELL WERE ON THE COVER OF THE MARCH ISSUE OF VIBE. I'VE SEEN A PICTURE WHERE SHE'S KICKING IT WITH BLACK ROB AND ZAB JUDAH AT ONE OF PUFFY'S PARTIES. IF GWEN GETS PLAYED ON HIP HOP TV AND RADIO IT'S NOT ARMAGEDDON FOR HIP HOP. WHAT DOES STREET CRED HAVE TO DO WITH BEING HIP HOP? KANYE HAS NO STREET CRED, BUT IS STILL A HIP HOP ARTIST. DUDE'S MOM IS A FUCKING DOCTOR, BUT HE FRONTS LIKE HE'S FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF CHICAGO. IF GWEN STARTED CARRYING HEATERS WOULD THAT MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER? HIP HOP REFERS TO MORE THAN RAP, SHE AIN'T A RAPPER AND NEITHER IS MARIAH, BUT THEY ARE BOTH HIP HOP. FUCKING FAGGOT DAUSUALSUSPECT LEARN HOW TO FUCKING SPELL BITCH.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, a breath of fresh air hath dausualsuspect brought amongst the gathered where one need only take a deep whiff and smell the burnt offerings unto the idols whom they worship and even the idols know not of it. THA ARSINIST seems bent upon terrifically blasting any and all who even bear a similtude of an opinion.

THA ARSINIST, peep it if that statistic was 3 years ago and you have not seen an increase in H.I.V./A.I.D.S. awareness, then guess what, those numbers have probably gone up rather than down or in a state of stasis. Think, since when has R. Kelly been in the habit of serving as a Public Service Announcer pushing P.S.A.s? dahhhhhhhhhhhh?...Alright then.

THA ARSINIST, Dr.Dre is not strictly Hip hop either. You talk like it's extra-curricular for Dr. Dre to work with R&B artists, that's how we know that you don't know enough Hip Hop history to be qualified to say what gets in like Eminem spoke of. First of all, Dr. Dre was an R&B artist.

You sound like you didn't know he was a member of the World-Class Wreckin' Cru. That was an R&B group, mind you, known quite well, if we remember correctly, for their hit single "Turn Off The Lights". That song was actually type-dope, but relatively speaking of Hip Hop, it was mad drippy, dripping with an overdose of R&B sensualism, yet correct for the era.

After that Dr. Dre produced for his then girlfriend Michelle' who had the characteristic highly pitched yet distinctive conversation voice, but sang with a strength of voice, like, like, dare we even say Stephanie Williams. There were probably a few others, but so much for the accuracy of THA ARSINIST. Ha, ha, ha, ha. THA ARSINIST is cool though, that dude is lethal with the profanity and swears. THA ARSINIST curses more than a sailor.

THA ARSINIST is mad funny too, dude, did you just say that Mariah Carey was Hip Hop, yo you just lost mad props on that one. Unless Hip Hop started in 1992 when Mary J. Blige solidified the positions of, as Boss would say, "sangers" on Hip Hop tracks, then your way off dude. We like Mariah Carey since "Visions Of Love" which was slammin', ya hear, slammin', but very far a stretch be that from Hip Hop.

You should be ashamed of yourself THA ARSINIST claiming you know Hip Hop and you said that, that's Hip Hop blasphemy, since basic beats came from banging on luchroom tables. Who was singing the R&B then? You could have said the Force MDs for their "Itching For A Scratch" off the Mario Van Peebles movie "Rappin'" back in the early '80s ror you could have gotten away with Mary J. Blige, but Mariah? As much as we like her, but Mariah?

Know we know why your THA ARSINIST, cause you be burnin'em huh? Remember that song by KRS-one on "The Return Of The Boom Bap" the track "I Can't Wake Up" that goes "I'm a blunt getting smoked and I can't wake up, I'm a blunt getting smoked and I can't wake up, I dreaming, about being a blunt, I'm walking around and I just can't wake up". That would be a nice theme song for you. Ha, just kidding, humor is the spice of life, wouldn't you agree? Ah forget about it, you get angry too easily. We can relate, we steam too at times, who doesn't, But yo,

Kanye isn't Hip Hop either, he just did a good job of fooling you. Dude is a dope rapper/producer, but he stepped out of line saying his first album was classic. If the Source magazine was on point the way they were when they gave De La Soul's "De La Soul Is Dead" album a 5 record classic rating for lyrical precision, creativity, and heart, then Kanye if rated then would have scored low.

Kanye probably would have gotten a strong 2.5, or barely a 3 because his production is what carried the album way beyond the garbage of today. If a D from 1991 is a B today in 2005 then why jump for joy when if you get an A today it's really just a C.

Kanye claims to be a perfectionist enough to deserve to be considered classic material, yet gives us less than Redman's lyrics. Then he has the nerve to diss full-figured girls talking about, if a stripper's stage name is Porsche, then her Big friend is named mini-van. What? What the heck was that and what did it have to do with the jewelry shops' slogan "Diamonds Are Forever"?

Oh, we forgot, if a rapper mentions diamonds or platinum, the minds numb and go blank as if they had just snorted some lines of cocaine, and the song is considered automatically classic. How silly of us to not notice the importance of asinine lyrics in the face of a materialistically titled song where the lyrics and title are totally irrelevant to each other.

THA ARSINIST we can appreciate your passion and dedication towards the importance of detail toward Hip Hop and elsewhere. Peace Be unto you dude. To dausualsuspect, Peace be unto you as well, we appreciate the light of information you brought unto the misinformed assembled.
Don't mind THA ARSINIST, THA ARSINIST is easily bored, intemperate and very incendiary, when all the incenses are gone. Just kidding....sike, naw, we just kidding.....sike, naw, but for real we just kidding. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

HIP HOP IS A CULTURE/LIFESTYLE WHICH ENCOMPASSES MANY TYPES OF MUSIC. R&B LIKE MAXWELL OR D'ANGELO IS STRICTLY R&B, BUT THEN YOU GOT PEOPLE LIKE MARIAH, MARY J. BLIGE, 112, AND SO ON WHO ARE R&B/HIP HOP ARTISTS. THEY SING OVER HIP HOP TRACKS. R&B WAS ORIGINALLY WITH LIVE INSTRUMENTATION. MARIAH IS HIP HOP. SHE'S GOT A REMIX OF "WE BELONG TOGETHER" WITH JADAKISS AND STYLES. DJ CLUE DID THE REMIX AND JERMAINE DUPRI DID THE ORIGINAL. I SUPPOSE YOU THINK USHER ISN'T HIP HOP EITHER. HIP HOP CAN BE R&B, POP, RAP, OR JUST PLAIN OLD HIP HOP LIKE NELLY. THE WRECKIN' CRU WASN'T AN R&B GROUP PER SAY, BUT MORE OF A PRODUCTION COLLECTIVE MADE UP OF SINGERS, MUSICIANS, AND DJS. DRE FUCKS WITH R&B SINGERS, BUT IN A HIP HOP WAY. REMEMBER THE JOINT HE DID WITH BILAL AND JADAKISS "FAST LANE"? HE DID TRUTH HURTS ALBUM TOO. MY POINT IS THAT YOU'LL NEVER SEE HIM FUCK WITH ANYBODY AS LAME AS AVRIL. GWEN IS JUST THE BEGINNING FOR ALL DUDE'S WHO DON'T LIKE IT. JUST SO YOU KNOW THE RZA IS PRODUCING PINK'S WHOLE NEXT ALBUM.

Tha arsinist u stupid sellout. U trying to say that anything doctor dre associated is hip hop. what about when dre was`rollin` with limp biz biscuit and their sorry ass excuse for rap with lyrics and album titles that didn`t make sense. u probably bought that single coz doctor dre and eminem were in the video didn`t u. it`s people like u that rich music executives laugh at on a continuous basis. do u or anyone else follow those losers now. what i meant with christina was that she was more hip hop then gwen...gwen doesn`t even want to be associated with the music...c*ckriders like u are letting her into the club. even when she was with no doubt she coulda done something with eve, but at the time eve wasn`t making the top dollars and that`s the truth. stop believing what people with agendas are trying to force feed you. pharrel`s and gwen are on the cover of vibe...who the FREAK cares...who ever said they was hip hop...Since when is vibe considered THE SOURCE of hip hop. Next time u pick up Vibe look at the credits near the front pages of the mag and see who owns the shit and do some research on these people and figure out whether they are publishing vibe for the love of hip hop or for the love of money. yo tha arsenist, dumbass...gwen hangs out with rap stars so then she`s hip hop...how lame are u? hip hop affiliation isn`t like a high school clique. Paris hilton and snoop go to the same parties does that make her hip hop too...da brat lives in a house with mini me and chyna does that make them hip hop too....damn your sad and freakin weak.

WOW YOU'RE STUPID. GWEN DID FUCK WITH EVE REMEMBER "LET ME BLOW YA MIND"? AS FOR LIMP BIZKIT DRE WAS IN THE VIDEO BECAUSE FRED DURST WAS VICE PRESIDENT OF INTERSCOPE. DRE NEVER PRODUCED A RECORD FOR THEM. ANOTHER THING GWEN DOES CARE ABOUT THIS MUSIC THAT'S WHY SHE ATTENDED THE BET AWARDS. AS FOR VIBE NOT BEING HIP HOP, THE SOURCE AND XXL ARE WHITE OWNED. EVEN MURDER DOG IS WHITE OWNED. VIBE IS OWNED BY QUINCY JONES YOU FUCKING RETARD, SO IT HAS MORE CRDIBILITY THAN THOSE OTHER MAGS. PARIS ISN'T HIP HOP FOR KICKIN' IT WITH SNOOP OR JAY-Z, BUT THE FACT LIL JON IS PRODUCING HER ALBUM COULD PLACE HER IN THAT HIP HOP/POP CATEGORY.

We knew it would happen sooner or later, THA ARSINIST is slippin' and knows it hence the last post devoid of any curse words at all. To be considered Hip Hop, your album has to at least be 8/10ths or 4/5ths hip hop capisce?

THA ARSINIST gets major laughs with a climactic gas face for mentioning.....The BET AWARDS? What? If you think BET is Hip Hop you're surely slippin'. The underground is back, and not to say you can't go platinum and be dope, but the underground is back with reason, because most rappers that do go platinum do so because they're watered down. N.W.A.'s was more Hip Hop than Pharrell or Kanye. Those dues go with the flow while.

Even N.W.A. had songs like "DopeMan" and even "Express Your Self" that had anti-drug themes which YOU THA ARSINIST could probably not appreciate. There is such a philosophy as "Do As We Say, Not As We Do". It's a parental philosophy where the parents want better for their children than they themselves had, capisce? Ren was even known for dropping a knowledgeable gem or two periodically.

THA ARSINIST is so color sensitive and biased it's a shame. You persistently name a few people because of their minority status in Hip Hop or Rap and then you try to shove them in peoples' faces and down their throats. It's not about all that superficiality that you constantly stress. It's about quality Hip Hop music, produced with a sense of urgency that is of far more importance from the haphazard, whimsical efforts of a few concertedly cross-over bound, dare we even say, "artists".

If the RZA produces Pink's album, that doesn't make her album a Hip Hop album, that just means the RZA has a penchant for creating a distinctively different sound that is quite different from the usual manner of production commonly associated with the genre in which she, Pink, flourishes.

That's not to insult Pink in any way either because she is probably not at all bent out of shape about the potential of her musical duality. Only THA ARSINIST is bent out of shape about giving "Pop" artists (that THA ARSINIST prefers over dope lyrics and a bag of chips) an Hip Hop "pass" without an expiration date.

Your rationale is flawed THA ARSINIST, you might want to get angry, curse and spit flames of discontent because you, metaphorically speaking, just fell of the ball you were rolling and it has lost momentum.

Try again THA ARSINIST, you just might get a spark of justified reason somewhere down the line. Until then, Peace be unto dausualsuspect and Peace be unto THA ARSINIST, and Peace be unto you all with the passion to revolutionize the perception and direction of the music we all appreciate so much. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

YAKNOW YOU HAD SOME GOOD POINTS, BUT HOW IS THE UNDERGROUND BACK? COMMON'S NEW ALBUM BE IS THE ONLY UNDERGROUND SHIT TO GET MAINSTREAM ATTENTION AS OF LATE. NAME SOME OTHERS. TALIB'S BEAUTIFUL STRUGGLE WAS BOGUS. QUALITY WAS A CLASSIC, BUT HE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP WITH THE SAME FORMULA LIKE HE SHOULD HAVE. "PUT IT IN THE AIR" WITH DJ QUIK IS ONE OF MY ALL TIME FAVORITE SONGS (GO FIGURE). THE UNDERGROUND ISN'T BACK OR 50 CENT AND THE GAME WOULDN'T HAVE THE BEST SELLING RAP ALBUMS OF THE YEAR. THE BLACK EYED PEAS ARE THE ONLY UNDERGROUND GROUP TO MOVE UNITS LIKE 50 AND NOT CHANGE THEIR STYLE. NOW PEOPLE WILL FLIP OUT BECAUSE I SAID THE PEAS WERE UNDERGROUND. EAZY-E DISCOVERED THEM, THAT'S GANGSTA. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO QUIT GETTING SO FUCKING BENT OUT OF SHAPE AND LISTEN TO SOMETHING OTHER THAN RAP ONCE IN A WHILE. Y'ALL HATE ON R&B, BUT HOW DO YOU EVER GET LAYED? GIRLS AREN'T GONNA GET IN THE MOOD BY LISTENING TO A TRIBE CALLED QUEST OR NAS. YOU NEED SOME AALIYAH OR JAGGED EDGE IN YOUR MUSIC COLLECTION. AND I DIG SOME ROCK MUSIC TOO. JAY-Z SAID HE DOESN'T EVEN LISTEN TO RAP MUSIC. WHEN ASKED WHAT CDS HE WAS BUMPIN' IN HIS RIDE HOV SAID AEROSMITH AND SARAH MCLACHLAN. EXPAND YOUR TASTE AND FEEL MUSIC FOR IT'S EMOTION, NOT IT'S GENRE. I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING INTERESTING TOO. DR. DRE PRODUCED A RECORD FOR NINE INCH NAILS ON THEIR DOUBLE DISC THE FRAGILE. THE SONG IS CALLED "EVEN DEEPER" AND IT'S PRETTY DOPE. THAT DOESN'T MAKE NIN HIP HOP, BUT IT SHOWS THEY RESPECT HIP HOP AND WHAT'S WRONG WITH OTHER GENRES DOING THAT? KANYE'S GONNA PRODUCE ON FRANZ FERDINAND'S NEXT ALBUM AND TIMBALAND DID A JOINT FOR BECK CALLED "PAPER TIGER" ON HIS SEA CHANGE ALBUM. QUIT HATIN' THIS IS ONLY GONNA HELP HIP HOP SURPASS ROCK MUSIC AND ALL OTHER GENRES AS WELL.

tha arsenist u freakin muppet, how colour biased are you. everyone knows all them stupid mags are white owned...i never said they weren`t i simply asked you to look at their agendas. totally different cocept. over the years vibe has put out more dubious hip hop artists then the source due to this agenda. mariah, justin to appeal to idiots like you that associate hip hop by who u hang around. I never said anything about the source being black owned..what i implied was that it was a more credible source and that it`s purpose is to promote hip hop since more of its readers buy it for news on hip hop. as opposed to vibe that caters more to wannabes that wanna follow `black` music and don`t know what getting five mics is. but while we`re on the subject u say that quincy owns vibe I am not gonna get all wall street on you and discuss the man`s stock options and his portfolio but honestly...who the freak cares. the man was married to a white woman for 20 years and he`s most famous for working with michael jackson...the dude was black when he started working with him and white when he left him. just bcoz a man is perceived as being `black` it doesn`t mean what he does is to promote black music. Pharrel could give a f*ck about hip hop. Snoop and his porn and WEAK ass lyrics could give a f*ck about hip hop.
by your logic, if tiger woods is perceived as being black then he cares about the advancement of black people in golf. quit calling people black it`s obvious u don`t even understand the term. u keep on bringing it up. it`s your answer to everything and then in turn you`re one of those people that say that `black` people bring it up all the time. hip hop is a culture it`s not a race thing. even in the early days of it people that weren`t perceived of as `black` were involved in it on various levels, but people like you insist that if gwen hangs out with dre then it means that its automatically hip hop...when in truth it`s called business even when the girl( a great artist) says that she isn`t. u say vibe is owned by quincy therefore its got more cred then the other mags. kangol is owned by some really white people but that don`t mean that sean john has got more hip hop cred. do u even believe what you say. the vibe has more cred then the source...ARE YOU ON CRACK...biggie was talking about his face being up in the source. eminem, canibus and a shitload of other commercial rappers talk about the source in their rhymes coz they know that the source reaches more of their audience..who the freak talks about vibe....... ROFL.......... quincy is `black` therefore the vibe has more cred then the source. And remember...winner`s don`t use drugs.

YOU SAY YOU DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH RACE, YET YOU SLAMMED Q FOR BEING MARRIED TO A WHITE WOMAN. THAT'S CALLED CONTRADICTING YOURSELF HO. VIBE IS ALL ABOUT BLACK MUSIC, NOT JUST HIP HOP AND RAP BUT R&B, JAZZ, SOUL, AND REGGAE TOO. DAVE MAYS IS A JEWISH WHITEBOY THAT WENT TO HARVARD WHO WANTS TO BE THUGGED OUT SO HE GAVE HALF HIS MAGAZINE TO BENZINO. THE SOURCE IS WACK AS FUCK, EVER SINCE THEY LET BENZINO BUY MADE MEN A 4 1/2 MIC RATING. THAT SHIT WAS LAME. THE BEEF WITH EMINEM JUST SEALED THEIR FATE. QUINCY'S BLACK, MICHAEL'S BLACK, AND TIGER'S BLACK TOO. WHAT DOES TIGER HAVE TO DO TO BE CONSIDERED BLACK BY YOUR STANDARDS? TIGER ISN'T FROM THE HOOD, SO WHY SHOULD HE TALK SLANG, WEAR URBAN DESIGNERS, OR THROW 20'S ON HIS RIDES? TIGER ACTS THE WAY KANYE SHOULD. KANYE AIN'T FROM THE HOOD, HIS MOMS WAS A DOCTOR FOR GOD'S SAKE. HE SAID SHE BOUGHT HIM A $700 DRUM MACHINE. MY MAMA AIN'T HAVE NO MONEY LIKE THAT LAYING AROUND TO BUY ME STUDIO EQUIPMENT. IF TIGER STARTED ACTING GANGSTA YOU'D HATE ON HIM FOR THAT, AND WHEN HE DOESN'T YOU STILL HATE. AS FOR QUINCY AND TIGER NOT BEING BLACK BECAUSE THEY MARRIED WHITE WOMEN, THAT'S RIDICULOUS. TONS OF PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES, SINGERS, AND ACTORS LIKE TAYE DIGGS NAD SEAL ARE MARRIED TO WHITE WOMEN. BY YOUR LOGIC ROBERT DENIRO, DAVID BOWIE, AND ROGER EBERT MUST NOT BE WHITE BECAUSE THEY ALL MARRIED BLACK WOMEN. SEE HOW STUPID IT SOUNDS WHEN YOU FLIP IT AROUND? QUINCY JONES CARRIES MORE WEIGHT WITH ME THAN DAVE MAYS ANY DAY.

ONE MORE THING. YOU DON'T USE DRUGS AND YOU'RE STILL A LOSER. I GUESS LITTLE CATCH PHRASES FROM THE 80'S AREN'T TRUE ALL THE TIME. DON'T BE MAD YOU CAN'T GET ANY GOOD CHRONIC WHERE YOU LIVE.

If u care to notice i put apostrophes as parentheses around the word `black`(due to my ghetto keyboard). i only use the term since u insist on using it. i only use it whenever someone like you who is used to the term uses it. people aren`t black or white or yellow or red or green. i am sure u think that u have heard this b4 but u haven`t heard it from me. the reason i brought up tiger, quincy , parrell et al is bcoz i knew that u would consider them all `black`. I was just humouring u with the married a white girl statement and wit michael jackson. hip hop isn`t about black or white it`s about the culture and i am sorry but gwen from what i have seen is not it. she has an appreciation for it, but holla back girl simply isn`t. the only argument for hip hop content from her is let me blow ya mind. it`s the media that constantly tries to group people in diffrent subgroups in a political and economical conspiracy. is sammy sosa a black person or is he hispanic?Mariah Carey black or white? Is christina latino enough?...who the freak cares people are what they want to be. quincy, taye tiger...are they black or white? david bowie black or white? those questions are pretty easy, but what about their kids? will it depend on how they look or how they act. In this day and age of transoceanic flights in hours and mass communication people are more and more going to be put into dubious racial categories. to me it won`t matter if someone who doesn`t look ghetto or `black` gets into hip hop as long as the music is true and they got an appreciation for it. look at the top picture...gwen looks like a rocker chick....but if she did anything that was close to hip hop besides walking along pharrel and hanging around eve then i would accept her and her songs as hip hop.

winner`s still don`t use drugs

but there is always the off-season

GWEN LOOKS LIKE A ROCKER CHICK BECAUSE SHE IS A ROCKER CHICK. THE DEBATE IS WHETHER HER SONG IS HIP HOP, AND IT IS. YOU CAN BE HIP HOP AND NOT EVEN MAKE HIP HOP MUSIC. LOOK AT JOHN MAYER, HE WAS ON CHAPELLE'S SHOW AND HE'S ON KANYE'S NEW ALBUM. AS FOR HOW GWEN DRESSES, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN HOW KELIS DRESSES? SHE DRESSES LIKE A ROCK CHICK. AND THE TERMS BLACK AND WHITE TO ME ARE BETTER THAN SAYING AFRICAN AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN AMERICAN. THOSE TITLES ARE NOT ACCURATE. IF YOU WERE BORN IN GHANA AND LIVE IN THE U.S. THEN YOU ARE AFRICAN AMERICAN. MOST BLACK AMERICANS ARE PART WHITE AND PARTY NATIVE AMERICAN, SO THEY CAN'T TRACE THEIR ANCESTRY TO AFRICA ALONE. SAME FOR WHITE PEOPLE, THEY AREN'T JUST ONE ETHNICITY. TO ME, OTHER THAN THE NATIVES THIS COUNTRY WAS STOLEN FROM, BLACKS AND WHITES HAVE THE MOST RIGHT TO BE HERE. AND THAT'S NOT TO SLAM ASIANS OR ARABS OR ANYBODY ELSE. HISPANICS ARE REALLY JUST NATIVE AMERICANS WHO SPEAK SPANISH SO WE BELONG HERE TOO. I AM NOT THE RACIST ONE HERE. I SAID WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IF "HOLLABACK GIRL" WAS A CIARA OR A J. LO JOINT AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT IT'S TRUE.

it`s obvious that you don`t do research before you post all of your statements. A person from ghana who lives in america or was born in america is not afican american, but either black or an american that happens to be african or vice versa. on a census form...they would have african, caribean black...black, african american. a person with obvious ghanaian heritage would never say that he is african american as it would be an insult to the struggle that people of colour of african descent have gone through in the u.s. they would in most cases always say that they are black. Just because you say its so doesn`t actually mean its true. I should no since my family is from ghana and i got sh*tloads of fam all over the states. by your logic a blonde haired blue eyed person from la coruna in spain who comes to america would be considered latino. they could go to miami talk spanish or hang out with mexican-americans in l.a and no one would question their latino heritage. as for ciara and j-lo if they did do hollaback girl the media overall would laugh it of. if you ask me to picture..those two singing that song then i must ask u to picture either of them in that video with them harajuku girls and all those white people in the background and tell me if people would then consider the song hip hop. and picture j-lo singing this shit is bananas..blah blah holla back girl...no it wouldn`t work..the media has different standards for what people look like. a person like gwen can get away with songs like that due to mediocre standards.

THA ARSINIST, dausualsuspect, you guys are impressive, as individuals and as diplomats, you guys argued your points vehemently, structured your thoughts quite well, and your critical thinking skills were of a caliber that allowed for you guys to make only the proper concession which was, people are going to think what they want regardless of the abundance of evidence available to convince them otherwise.

Truly THA ARSINIST was quite a bit calmer, without the posting of expletives, which are more effective vocally any how. There are an abundance of obstacles that people would like to overcome, racial determination being one, but one things for sure, everybody here in America is happy to be here and wouldn't trade it for anything, we're sure. Think of how drab and monotonous it would be to deal with the same select few people on an extended continuous basis. All's well taht ends well.

One can hardly say that all the points made by THA ARSINIST were correct, because the info upon which THA ARSINIST supposedly stands has been availably publicized to reveal otherwise. Such as no one had to ever revoke Tiger Woods' ghetto pass when he relinquished it himself, and hurriedly we might add, of his own volition as a self acclaimed "Cablanasian", whatever that is (go figure). At such point he eviscerated his connection to African-Americans and Asian-Americans of who he was a product. We haven't even heard Amerie use that one term yet and hopefully she won't, that's all we need, another divisive term to reckon with. Tiger Woods could've bridged the gap rather he choose to install a chasm.

No offense, but to dodge a question such as one's phenotypical determination of self and degree of nigrescence is one thing, but to do it when you are going to be a millionaire+!!!, At that point does it really matter? No, it doesn't, or at least it shouldn't, no more than to reveal a latent self-hate and to get an upperclass pass. At the least, if Tiger Woods had said he was black it could have been interpretted as a charitable Public Service Announcement for African-American children aspiring to have a future in sports. It would have been good for them to see there is/are alternatives to the body debilitating sports such as Football and Basketball that so many youth swarm to and it's not because they're all good in those areas of sports.

Tiger probably said what he said because he may have felt that he had everything to lose and not much to gain. Maybe that was a P.S.A. hmmmmmm. Stop advocating drugs THA ARSINIST, not that you went all into it, but there are enough advocates in Hip Hop without your taunting, that wasn't cool at all dude, you shouldn't project your cravings like that, it denotes a nihilistic attitude which would explain your desire to dilute Hip Hop into rap.

On the subject of Talib Kweli's "Beautiful Struggle", that joint was seemingly underpar, AT FIRST, but then, you got to realize that WAS growth as an artist, unpredictability. Predictable albums can be pigeon-holed and that's what separates Hip Hop from Rap. Rap has always been pigeon-holed since it's beginnings peep the movie "Krush Groove". It's going to be what it is, in all of it's mutable forms, and that's def, dope, dumb, completely phenomenal. That's the ART, not the predictable theme, but the ART.

Talib Kweli was doing what Hip Hop was partly about, having fun letting the music guide him rather than unprofessionally forcing the music through a funnel. Mind you, some CAN channel the music fluently, like water flows, and Talib is one yet he relaxed for the fun of it, for the nay-sayers like the THA ARSINIST, who is obviously never satisfied, well go figure. Oh yeah, people don't do drugs, drugs (drag) do them. Are you smoking or getting smoked? Ha, ha just kidding.

We were all off of the subject, yet with reason, nonetheless. Yo, dausualsuspect, props for you structured points. Big up to for mentioning Kangols, Kangols are ill-matic, those and the fishermen's hats. Like Ghostface says "And rock that fisherman's hat like Gordon's". See though, THA ARSINIST is not such a bad person, a little annoyed, moody, heck, your average Pothead basically, but hey, that's THA ARSINIST.

Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

that song is so stupid "its my shit" wat tha fuck i think she was on crack while doing the song and its bananas
b-a-n-a-n-a-s great glad u can spell bananas.Personally i don't want any radio station to play dat ish.And Free u crazy ur ear drums must get fixed don't worry i'll get u an ear doctor.

forget gwen stefani and her fake hip hop joint...thats pop all the way...out her where i live there is 2 main radio stations the first just plays all hip hop,r/b,and rap all the artists played are pretty much black artists the second station plays some r/b,hip hop,and rap but mostly pop, reggaeton, and techno. so given the first station does not play anything but hip hop and stuff this "holla back" song has NEVER been heard on this station.... people that like "holla back girl" is the same type of people that would like Will Smith or Vanilla Ice hahaha they PoP music...Holla was started in da hood gwen not from no hood... i started it

i drink to that tha arsenist. Gwen is awesome and just cos she white and is apart of a rock band don't mean she can't do hip-hop and she damn good at it too

honestly, gwen did pretty well trying to do the hip-hop thing, but she didn't come close enough. that song is 100% pop, but it's still tyte. i love that song

that song is dope why lie,but are we forgeting that it was done by pharrell??amean that song had to be dope but pleaseeee and PUHLEASEEEEE THAT SONG IS NOT HIPHOP!!period wherether she is white or black and you need to stop with that shit about her being white,if she's wack she's wack.damn that bitch done every kidna genre in her album so we are supposed to give her the stamp? for hiphop?i got one word for you mawfuckas complaining about white people getting shut out,well two actualy,PAUL WALL! who? PAUL WALL!!!!!!!!

it seems like anything Pharrell does for another artists turns to platinum, but when he does something for himself, it doesn't have the same result. i'm not saying his songs for himself are bad, i'm just saying they are not as godd as the songs he does for other artists.

Ya Know, I mostly agree with your expansive, if somewhat lengthy, dissertation on the hip hop-ness of "Hollaback Girl" and the true question presented to thinking folks when considering the value of it. How uncommon, I must say to encounter another who thinks along the same channel of spiritual responsibility even unto the small things, such as entertainment, which in reality is not small at all, but hugely important. Your depth is appreciated.
My personal opinion is that I love the song, only for the catchphrase, "I ain't no hollaback girl" To me, that is a positive thing, to say, I ain't no hollaback girl, it means you have a measure of self confidence, especially in light of the lyrics, which add to the overall declaration of like, what!!!! I don't feel it is a hip hop song, but definetly inspired, though of course one could argue the point of whether it is acceptable to profit off the hip hop audience without taking some of the social responsibility that true hip hop brings, and in essence, embodies. You could also argue that point in reference to the Ying Yang Twins, 50 Cent, P. Diddy, etc. To each their own, I feel. I have learned alot about my own misinterpretations of what is hip-hop from your words, and I thank you for shining some "light" on that so I may benefit. Truly, a revolution is in order. Can I get a amen!
Anyway, it's Gwen's karma, and it is an enjoyable, catchy song, and there's nothing really wrong with that. There are far more exploitative artists. I would love to know whether you would characterize yourself(or selves, at it seems) as one particular spiritual discipline, because I myself would like to investigate it, as I see that it has brought you much wisdom.
One Love to all my fam, and snap tha rubbabands.
J Holla.

I'm so glad to see that people are starting to comment on this garbage ass song. Who in the hell gave Gwen Stefani a ghetto pass anyway? I know she doesn't think she's down just because of that trash with Eve...come on Eve..lol..anyways. I have nothing against her personally because I don't know the chic nor would I want to but, I think she should have left well enough alone on this one. Two thumbs down in my book pleasebelieveit. That's worst than that new Will Smith and Jada track...lol..thank god we're not on that being a topic on here. Still reppin the whole 25 or better crew and Blaze1Entertainment...where the essence of hip hop is defined. Be on the lookout for the new breakthrough in rap culture.

Gravity's grabbing these emcees,
They be exaggerating,

faking, in the wake of what they took,
And what they're taking,

scraping the bottom of the barrel,
eyes off the sparrow,
musical imperialism based on schism,

the forerunners of rap wore caps and didn't bust none,
now shoguns are feuding with music that their diluting,
who's got the Luuden?,
for those that swallow that base whole,
They calling it Hip Hop, Why?,
because they say so?,
Gots to say the nay-no,
rappers wicked like Kano,
Rap is constipated and we're bringing the Drano,
The same O'l has been lame since '99,
Raps grime like pornos and mudholes,
syphilis through the stereo,
lyrical venereal diseases,
free to play with skeezes,
soundtrack to the strip-club that teases,
coke freezes, to be blunt,
brains are stunted,
If you want it, you want it,
better than the ones that fronted,
Vain hunts, to ease the pain in membranes,
the insane game makes the sane seem lame,
that's the aim,

but the game don't rollover for the hapless cross-over,
the clover need not be picked if the styles' legit,

if the shoe don't fit they get the boot,
there's more to a song than making money and the loot,
there's no ill to a good feel that a song might foster,
But every toon with a rhyme's not hip hop,
Hope we ain't lost ya.

Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

Peace J Holla. In response to your inquiry, there is no particular discipline other than....discipline. What heals one may be toxic to another. It is not wise prescribe a cure all, for what gives one strength may debilitate another, but all are capable of sufficiency. Just as everybody can not do everything, but everyone can do SOMEthing.

We're only as strong as the weakest of us and the greatest are the servants of the rest. If the greatest aid not those who they may aid, then are they so great? Nay. They are great only in the eyes of the rest that admire them. Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, for it is they that behold and interpret beauty that are beautiful, rather than they that reflect the Light that allows us to interpret their beauty as it is or not.

Truly the light by which we are all made judges, IS the beautiful blessing.

They that fail to see the beauty in a thing or things or not as optimistic as they could be. The glass is not half empty, the glass is half full. For all the beauty that one sees around them, truly the thanks due is due to the Creator.

What is beautiful in the dark? Sound. What is beautiful in the light? Not the thing seen, but the mercy of God upon the posessor of sight. Truly the beauty of the beheld is in the beheld's humility to God for being graced by those that appreciate the craftwork of God in all things. All included.

You will know positive things by the fruit that they bear. An Apple tree doesn't bear Grapes nor does a Banana palm bear Grapefruit, but the Earth nurtures them all, for which we should all be thankful. To each their own, but the Love is unified when the capable bear the burden of the incapable and vice-versa when the roles are switched.

Even blind man atop the shoulders of the deaf man accomplish the feat once thought to be impossible, that all may that all things are posssible, but all things are not expedient and to our benefit.

We all err and make mistakes and because of such we can appreciate our friends. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

In my opinion, Holla Back Girl is 99% pop, but Pharrel helped it sound 1%hip-hop...obviously, that 1% did the trick because yesterday it was a new joint on BET's 106&Park, meaning that if we vote on it, Gwen STefani could be the first Caucasion with a video on 106&Park besides many AFrican Americans.

i personally dont like the song that much. it looks like a majority of people commenting on this post only listen to hip hop. i think gwen is a dope artist. the no doubt stuff had good song writing(i know she did not write all of the songs). she is doing her thing as a solo artist. if u dont appreciate and listen to all types of music, save yourself the time and dont post on shit u dont know about .when u got cats that cant look beyond color to talk about music the discussion sounds dumb as hell.

is it hip hop? it has a hip hop beat. like someone said up top. if missy elliot and ciara did it we would not be having this discussion. we would have called it hip pop like we do for most of missys out there joints.

i agree that hollaback girl is a pop song. But who's 2 say wats hip hop and wats not? i kno its sad...but in this period of hip hop, the beats make the music. Should i remind u that "rock ur body" by justin timberlake and "im a slave 4 u" by britney spears all got plays on hot 97...n now hollaback girl..all produced by the neptunes.....i swear if u take the beat out of a crunk record, u'll hear the biggest bs in ur life...if backstreet boys made a song produced my lil jon, i guarantee that joint would b all over hot 97 n power n bet

Who fucking cares? She got a neptunes beat so we debate weather its hip-hop? she fucking singing, what do you mean hip-hop? you mean r&b? see, you can't even define r&b anymore, its so hip-hop driven, all you need is a hard drum & kick and we wanna start labeling shit hip-hop. Grunge is that type of rock and the gear that goes with it, hip-hop is just that-the way we walk,the slang the uptowns, the yankee caps etc. thats hip-hop. rap is the words we speak in rhythm - She got a neptunes beat for her album fellas, no more no less. she might like hip-hop, or wanted that vibe for her album but that dont make her hip-hop, it makes her marketing team more dough. C'MON !!!

i don't think that the song should be considereed hip-hop or r&b because i feel as though it is more of a pop record, although the beat is hot and the song is catchy. give it the props it deserves because of those two things and it's an okay joint, but people need to stop riding it so hard because i know in baltimore they have been playing this song like every half an hour, but i guess the up side to is that everybody in baltimore can spell one word now, b-a-n-a-n-a-s.

And trina you are wrong em has made it to 106's top ten, several times and i think brittany and justin made it also.

I don't like the song, i find it irritating. That's just my opinion, nothing to do with black, white or anything else. What the hell has race or colour got to do with anything? No wonder there's so much hate in the world with morons like this who keep making distinctions between races on common subjects.

Other things i find irritating are:

People who make comments or insults about the way other people spell or punctuate, that really is about as lame as you can get. They don't seem to realise just how petty and pathetic they make themselves sound, incredible.

Double negatives in songs.

I am "Black" and I personally like the white gwen stephani, not the "black" one. that's it. be yourself

Bravisimo to Please. You said a mouthful. A lot of times when people try to imitate someone else or act out of their character, they end up being stereotypical, be it with malicious intent or not. It could end up being insulting to someone who designates themselves according to the intended stereotype portrayed, yet the imitated may feel unrepresented by the stereotype. Unless the impression performed is for a joke, then the attempt at being "genuine" is lame and can hardly be taken seriously.

When we hear that song, which we CAN appreciate mind you, we are really, and actually under the impression that her grammar is considerably remarkable, moreso than is portrayed in that song. For her to be taken seriously, she would have to do an entire interview in the same grammar that she performed that song. She seems to really be trying hard on that song.

People that have unofficial "bad" grammar don't just wake up one morning and decide to drop their enunciative integrity off on the curb. No, not like Gwen did at least. People that speak in the manner that Gwen was mimic have been speaking the way they speak for a long, long time, that's why southern style of speak is considered a legacy, used by all different type of people dark, darker, fair, fairer all types of people. PERIOD.

Fact of the matter is regardless of their grammar they are understood in the end and they ARE genuine, unofficial grammar and all. People are beginning to appreciate the southern-style of grammar because those people that speak that way ARE genuine. There are even various degrees to the depths of southern oratory whereby those who MOST consider to be deep south would be confounded. Watch out for those fake southerners because they could be ran "PLUMB" up out of here. Keeep in mind we are said to speak English, but we do not speak Queen's English.

That is bloody alright with us you lazy lima beans. How would you like to be a chimney sweep? SOOOOOOOOO... The moral of the story is we are all some nonconformists in an odd yet liberating way so we need not feel obligated to distort the presentation of our natural characters in attempts to come off as "hood". Like the Fu-Schnickens song "La Schmoove" "yo, we ain't got nuthin' to prove".

If nothing else Gwen Stefani has succeeded in provoking laughter from the people we run with and that's not an altogether bad thing where humor is a rarity. Peace be upon the people that provoke humor and make us all laugh now and again, Gwen Stefani included.

To be taken seriously was clearly not the intention or motivation behind that song, nor was their any specific meaning behind "Ain't No Hollaback Girl", albeit it was surely premeditated for maximum marketting. We must give Please their propers. Their post was really the sum up.

Peace be unto you all on this big blue ball of a diamond we call the "Earth". We ALL need some Peace. PEACE.

I love your site! Awesome photos and clips!!

YaKnow:

Do my eyes deceive me? Did you just cosign some bullsht about Gwen trying to be black with that song? Because I would be disappointed. There is indeed a fine line between a 33 year old white woman trying to be "hip" and that same woman trying to be "black" and I don't think she crossed it. Not even close.
What about that song makes anyone think she was trying to be black? How can you even try to be a skin color? Our whole use of language in this discussion has been quite limited and culturally ignorant if you ask me. Maybe she was trying to be urban. Urban and cool, sure. Black, not a chance.
If she was trying to be black, she would have had a verse in there about growing up impoverished and the victim of systematic and pervasive racism on the part of her country's local, state and national governments. She would have said something of the climate of drugs, violence, and an annhilistic attitude all around her. She would have mentioned God, or her crew at the very least.
White people generally as a rule, don't want to be black. If they became black, they'd have to live a real life. It's amazing, really to think about the fact that millions of white teenagers want to mimic the behaviorisms and styles of a people that their parents, and their parents parents etc. have persecuted for several centuries, and that are a product of that same persecution, yet NO ONE says anything about lifting their brown brother up from that place of suffering. They only want to be viewed as cool, they don't give a flying fck about the reality of the situation. I mean, did any of these white kids listen to a word Tupac said? Or did they stop hearing him after "Thug Life bay-be"?
Oh Lord, help us all.
I changed my mind. Fck Gwen. Stupid whore.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
One love to all my fam, and snap the rubbabands.
J Holla

God who cares - get a life people.

J Holla, what it be like. You came down on Gwen too hard, though she may have made it a bit easy. The point about Gwen is that she has a choice to be herself and still be loved on both sides of the fence, not just for color or not but she is appealing as an artist. Gwen is quite polished and refined and it seemed to be a bit diminishing of her lustre to dip it that low into the bottom of the barrel in terms of her presentation of herself on "Ain't No Hollaback Girl".

A lot of kids are forced to demean themselves and become ghetto by nurture even when it is not their nature, even if they are brown or darker. Stereotypes are played loud through stereos and public speakers, a little too much it seems. It's sort of like KRS-One said on Boogie Down Productions' "Ghetto Music:The Blueprint Of Hip Hop" on that song "Why Is That?" "It's like teaching a bird to be a cat, You don't teach white kids to be black, Why Is That? Is it because we're the minority, well black kids follow me"

Point is, people have lost their appreciation for people as they are. Its like people are supposed to fit certain stereotypes based upon how they are perceived. It's O.K. for a fairer person to act darker, but the darker you are the more you are expected to be a gangster, thug or hoodlum. If you do not act the way you are assumed to act, then the system feels like it hasn't gotten enough contribution from you, or you are not playing the position they would like you to play, be it positive or negative.

The system and economy are maintained by the emotions evoked by identifying stereotypical representations. Stereotypes are markettable. Period. Gwen is no exception. Like you said J Holla... did anyone hear Tupac? That was Hip Hop. Gwen is partially rap, sort of kind of. Oh forbid that someone, who has never heard Hip Hop's potential for changing things for the better, finally hears Gwen on "Ain't No Hollaback" and pegs that as the best that Hip Hop has to offer. That would be a sad day in Gotham.

Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

this might not be the time or place for this, but what the fuck happened to No Doubt? before they went mainstream they were an awsome punk/ska band. when they became popular they started playing what people wanted to hear, and that's just what gwen's doing now in her solo career. in my opinion, it doesnt take nearly as much talant to make bad pop as it does to make good ska.

anyone who can get on here and write this and that and other trites about the do's and don'ts of what qualifies a song or chant for that matter as hip hop or rap can stand aside because gwen is no less a than any other naturally eaten artist able to make every fibre in your body just want to move and rock. thank you ... ps gwen: great stuff... peace out n keep up the good work ..

.. ooops... no doubt she would be in a predicament without the greatness of no doubt .... dont leave no doubt outta the pic but still.. real good shit gwen... you go gurl

.. ooops... no doubt she would be in a predicament without the greatness of no doubt .... dont leave no doubt outta the pic but still.. real good shit gwen... you go gurl

.. ooops... no doubt she would be in a predicament without the greatness of no doubt .... dont leave no doubt outta the pic but still.. real good shit gwen... you go gurl

holla back girl is an owkay song.....we are doin a dance to A REMIX OF THIS SONG AND I PREFERABLE LIKE THE REMIX BETTER!!! heritage cheerleaders truly support what she doin! good job gwen!!! and good luck at the pep rally gurls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

senserily,
Heritage Middle School Cheerleaders