Is "Hollaback Girl" Hip-hop Enough?

I hate that dMN song what the fCK IS SHE TALKIN ABOUTthere are no real lyrics in the song it should never be considered hip hop or played with hip hop cause if it is then brittany spears could put a semi hiphop beat on her song and it would be considered hip hop on hot 97 now would that be right, hLL NAW hip hop is more than just a beat

I FIND THE SONF ANNOYING. I LIKED IT BEFORE EVERYONE STARTED SINGING IT. GWEN AIN'T BLACK, AND THAT SONG ISN'T HIP OR HOP.I DO NOT WANNA HEAR HER ON MY HH AND RNB STATION EVER. SE GETS ENOUGH PLAY ON MTV AND BANDWAGON RIDING PEOPLE'S MOUTHS

Drunkards, 13 year olds whose primary tool of communication is AIM, and idiots that can't spell shouldn't talk shit. I'll admit, the song isn't one of my favorites, but the song is hip hop. Gwen being white has nothing to do with it. As I recall, hip-hop started out with simple subject matter. Just having fun over the beat, damn the lyrics. Something Gwen did perfectly...

...What do you think Rapper's Delight was about?

Ok, first of all, black people are not shutting out white people. If I don't like the song it is what it is. AND PLEASE STOP CALLING THAT SON HIP HOP.....IT'S POP. Yes, Gwen has been accepted by Blacks in the past, but because of who being by her side rapping? Eve. But that doesn't mean that blacks don't like her music, but categorizing her music as Hip Hop, that's just desperate. Just because she's recorded songs with blacks doesn't mean all her songs are qualified for the "Hip Hop/R&B" motivated 106 & Park or Hot 97.

The song is a nice song to lose one's focus on or to listen to when trying to focus on the lighter side of life. The thing about hip hop is that hip hop is a culture and rap is just a part of the culture. KRS-one outlined the pillars of hip hop music such as break-dancing, grafitti artistry, DJing, and a number of other things, rapping included. Yet hip hop is not just rapping. Hip hop is a way of life and embodies a certain philosophy pertaining to urban survival while respecting certain universal laws, Love included.

Along those precepts accurately describing hip hop, rap songs that subjectively glorify drug-dealing and the deliberate perpetuation of peddling illegal substances (i.e. Crack) that slowly erode peoples' physicals and mentals beyond most peoples' capacity to overcome them would not be and are not really hip hop but merely rap. To objectively describe the predicaments of seeming hopelessness that lead TO the erring decision to peddle drug poison against one's better judgement on the other hand is hip hop.

Hip hop is actually more conscientious or consciousably digestible in all of if forms rather than just being the asinine, mundane usage of common, particularly trite so called hip adages or phrases that merely rhyme for rhymes sakes. NOW that we're clear on the difference between hip hop and rap, its safe to say Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" is rap but no where near the level of scrutable integrity required to be deemed hip hop.

Mind you the song is not totally worthless for there is a time for everything, even the comically asinine, but in terms of trying to slip songs like "Hollaback Girl" under the radar of hip hop and calling it such, no way yo, Blouaw, that easy lay-up has been penned, get that outta here. Like Raekwon said " Block your goals like Hockey".

PEACE peoples.

Rapper's Delight has way more soul and flow then that song......LOL. The beat is tight, but the lyrics is too MTV'ish.....let KROCK and other white stations have it.....

MAN FCK BET. I honestly don't care if they play this video or not....i'd rather hear this shit than some fckin Trillville or Lil' Boosie or Gucci Mane.......dat garbage ass music...why da fuck can't they play De La Soul. If wasn't for nyggas like that we wouldn't have Rap City....even though dat shit is watered down like a Sprite when the ice has melted....but man BET should close shop pretty soon, cuz they not teachin our children anything but to shake they ass and be crunk....and how ignorant can this be.....how am I giving to society or making a change in their community when I take this shit they put on TV seriously.....hmmmm there is something to think about

^Preach!!!

Stop hating on good music!! Pharrell has got another hit under his belt and Gwen deserves more love from everyone! The record is in the Top 5 Billboard Chart ( beating out all Hip-Hop artists) and is getting heavy rotation on almost everywhere! The song rushes ladies to the dance floor and everyone is just spooked out because you love it but youre scared of what your friends might think....Bitches

i agree that "hollaback girl" is a pop song, and i didn't like it when i first heard it on the radio (especially that bananas part). BUT it grew on me, and i decided to put it into my set at a local hiphop joint a little over a month ago. that place damn near exploded when i played it. girls love that song. i've been playing it at some grimey spots in berkeley, oakland, and SF and trust me: everyone loves that shit. who cares if she's white? do yall remember andre3000 when he busted "hey ya?" that was the whitest shit ever but they played it on ever urban radio station and every hiphop club across the damn country. give gwen some love, that track is bangin' cause its different from all of the sounds that are out right now. she's knows how to entertain, and she has my vote to put her on BET. hip hop ISN'T black, its a culture that grows with the innovation of people like gwen, no matter race color or creed.

damn this post has me so heated i have to post again.

"hollaback girl" HAS to be played at least twice a night at the club cause of all the damn requests, and people go crazy every time they here it. no other song right now in my set can do that (with the exception of Mike Jones "Back Then," Boyz in the Hood "Dem Boyz" and a bunch of New Bay Mac Dre, FrontLine, Keak da Sneak stuff in the Bay).

on the black eyed peas new album, there is a song called "MY HUMP" that has the same vibe as "hollaback girl" and will damn near take over the club and airwaves this summer. i can almost guarantee it. will yall give Fergie some love? BEP is POP no doubt, way evolved from when they used to be uptempo underground (miss those days by the way), but when people like a song, they like it, period.

ah i can't take this anymore! sometimes you gotta ignore the labels you put on people. underground vs. mainstream, pop vs. hiphop, new school vs. old, digital vs. analog, black vs. white.... it all boils down to a simple equation. good music vs. bad music.

like binary star said so long ago, its "hop-pop" son. its all about the $$$. but a good beat is a good beat. stop hating!

We gotta recognize the well made point by TheSpark. Crunk Music is definitely overrated and playing itself. Dude said De La Soul, like when they were first out with that "Me, Myself, and I" pssst, classic material, truly. Those were the days when wack was wack and Crunk Music would have been seen as crackhead music or tunes for those folk smoked out on their last braincells. That's back when group or solo artists had to uplift the mind or else. Back when PM Dawn dropped "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" and Arrested Development dropped "Natural", "Tennessee", and "Mr Wendel". Heck yeah, even those peeps were hip hop. Black Sheep dropped "The Flavor of The Month" and "The Choice Is Yours".

Yeah, we would probably rather hear Gwen Stefani's "Hollaback Girl" over the evil, Tear The Club Up, Down South, Crunked Up and Drunk, Sippin' codeine syrup, chopped and screwed bit. Yo we even heard that DJ Screw who established chopped and screwed mixes died off of sipping codeine syrup 'til his heart slowed down to a stop. That probably increases the interest in the chopped and screwed music. Y'all can have it, we don't want it.

Oh yeah, "Hey Ya" by Andre 3000 wasn't white it was Rock 'n' Roll inspired by the African-American Rock 'n' Roll originators like Chuck Berry with his song "Go, Johnny Go", Fats Domino's "Blueberry Hill" Little Richard's countless Rock 'n' Roll classic hits, and of course the man who Andre has been respectfully emulating, the Purple Haze man himself, no not Cam'ron, but Jimi Hendrix. There's no need to qualm about Rock 'n' Roll's transformation into all the numerous Rock denominations because most of what was essentially fly about it has been incorporated quite tastefully into hip hop. Gwen Stefani is alright with us, but ummm............. She's still not hip hop, almost doesn't count like Brandy said. On the song "Check The Rhime" off A The Tribe Called Quest's album "The Low End Theory", Q-Tip reiterates, "Rap is not Pop, if you call it that then stop" then the bass drums drop. Now that's hip hop, if you don't believe it and still don't know what hip hop is then "Check The Rhime" y'all. Peace.

There is no denying that "Holla Back" is a pop song, but it is definitely INSPIRED by Hip-Ho p and ya'll know that sh!t is true. The song is made pep rallies and parties and sh!t. It's a real light song and works for the spunky lil white girl marketing gimmick that they got lined up for Gwen ( Its the same tactic they used for Pink's first album so don't be fooled). F**"k da dumb shit, we all know it ain't Hip-Hop, but that don't mean it don't f**k up the place when the DJ's play it in the clubs, and that don't mean its wrong for you to like it either. The sh!t sound a like a Mssy song to me, like "Pass That Dutchh " or some bullsh!t like dat; but I don't hear y'all f**kin with Missy-@ss

Okay, let's rewind twenty some odd years ago to "oh Mickey you're so fine" and then let's pop back into 2005. Gwen's 35 years old and bringin it back, and I reiterate my point by presenting the video as exhibit B. Of course it's not hip-hop, it's some marching band/retro shit cooked up nice by the Neptunes. Just cause Pharrell is in the video doesn't make it hip hop either, just hip hop by proxy like N.E.R.D.--quasi-soul music that's somewhere in between. You can't firmly put it in one category, but many will try.

fuck gwen. dont song sucks. what the fuck is the point of the song. first of all the only reason the song is so high up on the charts its because the white people like it so much. aint no real people diggin it its all some white bullshit. so fuck that song. bannanas? what the fuck. go get some real fucking lyrics and take some more signing lessons. fuck that song

Now you guys know if it was the exact same lyrics and beat and say Eve or Missy Elliott was singing it there wouldn't be a problem you guys would classify it as a hiphop song. Sounds like a black/white issue to me! Whatever the song is hot with a hip hot beat.

Bump that white or black da song is bs n 1 mo thing da
south is finally shining so deal wit it u bitches

"Hollaback Girl" is a pop song which is inspired by contemporary hip-hop culture. What the f**k is so hard to get about that... f**k this stupid post!! by the way What in heaven's name is a "hollaback girl"?
Y'all need to hop on some of that SF/Oakland/Bay Area hype... way different from any other rap scene in the country! The sound is fresh, hooks are crazy..wow!! download keak da Sneak 'superhyphie'..siiick!! Mac Dre - Thizzelle dance or Feelin' myself - WHOOA!
Big ups to DJ MIRATEC fo reppin the Yay

There is a big percentage of people who still have trouble reading a simple one-lined sentence. There is no way in the world that anything that somebody says is going to stop people from liking whichever type of music they like, but for the sake of not digressing the question is and once again we reiterate "Is Hollaback Girl Hip Hop Enough?". No it is not hip hop enough, it is not hip hop at all.

If you like the song then why should it matter if it is hip hop enough or not. For true hip hop heads, peep how everyone strays from the simplicity of the question in their attempts to force that song into categorization as hip hop. If you learn nothing else from this, you will see how powerful and prestigious hip hop was and can be. The reason hip hop is no longer the golden thing that it was is because too many people with power, influence but no taste or idea of what hip hop is are trying to cram and overstuff a potent form of music with mad amounts of filler and consequently dilute hip hop into watered down kool-aid that has too much sugar. Hip hop was not founded on sweetness, but a sense of urgency to inspire urban reform from the stereotypical to the practical. Hip hop had the power to be the soundtrack of a visit to the Social Services office when one applied for food stamps because it addressed the issues of people needing alternative solutions to their current predicaments.

"Hollaback Girl" is Status Quo music, music that seeks to maintain the way things are, music that stagnants progression. "Hollaback Girl" is stagnant. We didn't want to dis the song but because people keep forcing the issue, here is light. Ja Rule made the slang term "holla" back in like late 1998, 1999. That term is old. Hip hop heads in the know don't say that anymore just like we don't use terms like "that's sweet" or "def". Hip hop is going to hell because "fly" music used to be "cool" now everything is "hot", burning up the charts and going to hell nicely packaged in plastic and a handbasket.

Too many crossover people are trying to be "down", we like people for their differences just as they are. You don't have to act out of your National Census Report of the population demographic classification. If you did not have to work your first job until after college, you're not "down", you are up. If you got your first car before you got your first job, your not "down".If you are 30 years old and still get an allowance with which to by your CDs every month, you're not "down". Like Tupac said on "White Man's World", they wanna be like the have-nots ,you see. There's no reason for a white-boy to try to act hard, thug up and wear bandanna when he has a home in nice neighborhood, a new car before high school graduation, and his own room with cable, playstation 2, X-Box 360, and etc.

Some people do not have much motivation in life beyond hip hop, that's why everyone and their family wants to be a rapper. Because a lotta people lean on hip hop so hard, that's all the more reason why the artform needs to be highly selective and inscrutable at most. There was a time when a lack of motivation to "Do The Right" was countered by the positive messages in hip hop music, art creativity, dance, and education.

L'il Kim is a prime example of the abuse of the artform in the negative portrayals of luxury, riches, violence, murder, and promiscuous sex to excess beyond practicality. We're not trying to pull Kim's card but maybe somebody can learn something from that situation. Mindless, asinine music's decadence is evident if you listen to it all weekend long and end up in the social services office on Monday to apply for a public assistance check because L'il Kim had you thinking it was o.k. to randomly f*ck Tom, Dick, and Harry, and to top it off your best girl big-upped you for it and was like that girl that Kobe Bryant f*cked that bragged about it to all her friends and couldn't repeat the sexcapade enough so was probably like "Hollaback Girl". What?

No that's not hip hop, that's ho hop. Not to have a bone to pick with Gwen Stefani or her song because actually we like Gwen Stefani and her song, but we're not going to silently stand around and watch every Justin Timberlake, get crammed into the hip hop category to the detriment of the genre. If anybody can't relate to these said situations then guess what?, You're not 'hood, you're not hard, you're not real, you're not thug, you're not hip hop. You're like Gwen Stefani with her low-rider pants, on the outside looking at everbody that's "Trapped" in the ghetto like Tupac said on his first album 2pacalypse, you now before his "Thug Life" banter. The way Gwen Stefani dresses is misleading all these young girls out here that end up pregnant way too early in life with stagnant minds and hot bodies talking about they don't now who the baby's daddy is.

Instead of cultivating their minds. You didn't see here checking for Eve during the Ruff Ryders vol. 1 album did you. No. Why, well let's just say that Eve didn't have enough money then, ya heard. If it takes an education to get the money, then hip hop needs to start stressing that. If Gwen Stefani is not chilling with those who have not enough money to entertain her company, then as a guest of rap she should promote education in rap instead trying to pick up on the catch phrase of 8 or so years ago, ya dig.

We like Kelly Clarkson, 3 Doors Down, Nirvana, Soundgarden, Stone Temple Pilots, The Police, and a plethora of others. We like appreciable music, not so we can have "street cred" (another poser slang term)and chill on the set but because of geniuine appreciation of the music. We even liked that song, hows it go, "Oh Mickey you so fine, you don't understand, you take me by the heart when you take me by the hand", but guess what, Its Still Not Hip Hop. Just say we walked into a record store and picked up a hip hop record at random because hip hop's integrity was up to par where you really couldn't go wrong with whatever you picked up, we would be very disappointed to pick up that Gwen Stefani joint when we had a taste for hip hop, not rap, hip pop, or crossover, but hip hop. Rap is not pop, if you call it that then stop. Peace.

Yaknow, I respect your post but have to disagree with you on a couple of points. You're coming down hard on Gwen man, real hard. First of all regarding the comment that she wasn't checking for Eve during the Vol. 1 album well during those days Gwen was still with No Doubt and making No Doubt music with her band. Hollaback Girl is Gwen Steffani music off of Gwen Steffani's album. Basically what SHE wants to do.

Hollaback or Gwen's album can not be categorized in the same context as most Lil' Kim songs or albums. You're also making a lot of assumptions regarding what Gwen thinks such as she's "looking down" on the poor blacks etc. We don't know that. Gwen is not promoting any sort of promiscuous behavior in young women. Hollaback Girl is a positive fun song. It's not the take over people don't get paranoid. Gwen made a fun pop song with a hip-hop appeal. It's about as hip hop as "Hey Ya."

Skyself, we wish much peace to you. We can appreciate your check on us, it is reminiscent of the responsibility of a brother to help keep his fellow brother in check. May peace adorn your path most favorably. My post as well as many others has digressed a bit. Opportunity knocked, but he didn't call before he came, and we may have very well used this post to elaborate on the responsibility of hip hop as a side commentary. Gwen Stefani is actually a refreshing mode of kickback when compared to the radio's current #1 hits that are of such epicurean abandon. If there were but a few more rappers that were as spirited as Gwen yet more honed to the tune of dedicated hip hop without the oblivious excesses there would be little to constructively criticize. Peace SkySelf, are we our brothers' keepers? Yes we are. PEACE.

what? we aint commin hard on Gwen. first of all she sucks. no doubt was alright but nothing good or great. and now she trying by her self. well fuck that cuz that song is wack. if yah wanna hear something hit up slim thug cuz the south is comin so get ready. and no one is feeling the fucking bannana song.exept them white people and for some few exeptions. but I aint trying to be racist or anything. im just categoricing the song. and its my opinion. which is that that song makes no fucking sence and is some white pop shit. categoricing again cuz she is white and its pop. so fuck that song go get a real fucking song to talk about.

To cause dissension among diplomatical minds is not our aim, but 7-1-3 has spoken the truth. Right is right and wrong is wrong and the truth is not always either, but the truth IS aside from all speculation or perceptions through falsehoods.

The Truth is Love and both are conducive to truly living and enjoying life for what it is in all honesty rather than living a temporary lie. The Truth crushed to the Earth will Rise and Always will Be when falsehoods perish and fade away unto nothingness.

True friends will tell you when you are wrong while fake friends will leave you unchecked because they are not concerned about your successful development into the great person you can really be through truth. Gwen Stefani lacks friends for they seek only to grease their pockets along with hers yet her career longevity is true to the art that arises from within her and not her ability to mimic the art of others for contemporary success. We do not dislike Gwen, we can just see her trying really hard when who she is should be almost effortless. PEACE.

7-1-3, continue to wield the truth and a champion you shall be.

No way that shit is hip hop. What a fuckin joke. You need to keep that crap off the rap and hip hop stations. Top 40 pop stations can have it... if rock stations want it...let them have it too...don't think they should.

If i'm drunk in a club and hollaback comes on i'll dance like an idiot to it...doesn't mean it's hip hop. Alot of people in the clubs, out here in socal like different types of music. Especially the females...the shit is still top 40 pop whether people dance to it at a hip hop club or not. Just because you go to a hip hop club doesn't mean the only music you listen to is hip hop.

WHO CARES!! THE SONG IS DOPE!!!

Yo the song is hot and yo she is a cool artist but the broad even said from her own mouth that she is not hip hop and does not want to be classified as such so bET and hot 97 fall back son! Lv her shit on mtv and vh1 Early!

why yall open to one way of doing shit one way of thought never expand niggaz thats why most of yall never go any where, we treat music like society treats us ,if it doesnt look like us or sound like us its wack then we turn around and ask for equal treatment,broaden your horizon.

Charles,
It's not about broadening our horizon. When i turn on a hip hop station i want to hear hip hop, not top 40, no nsync...when i turn on a rock station i don't want to hear hip hop i don't want to hear gangstarr...if stations were based on your point they would all be the same, that doesn't work

Well said alexoc949, different tastes in music are comparable to tastes in general. Imagine asking for a garden salad and some chef with broadened horizons with no since relativity chocked your salad up with a heaping helping of Tootsie rolls, some butterscotchs, licorice, popcorn for garnish, all over a nice bed of pistachio ice cream. Sure it may be good to some, but when you have your mind set on long-term health versus satiating a temporary craving for sweets, that might not be quite what you were expecting based upon the usual response to your requests and your sense of regularity.

"Hollaback Girl" on the hip hop stations is like a skateboard on the incoming tidalling waves or a surfboard on the asphalt. Both are spectacular ideas, but both are particularly better suited, respectively, in the environments for which they were designed to operate. Everything that you can do, is not always what you should do. PEACE.

I respects everyone opinions on this blog but "HollaBack Girl" is not hip hop.
"Hey Ya" really wasn't hip hop either. Big Boi's track "The way u move" was.
BET is pimping out our youths, that's why they want the song to play all day. Those fuckers actually let 13 year old kids vote to keep hearing the same stupid songs. The number 1 slot is usually Bow Wow's or B2K or some other straight POP artist. And when they get tired of hearing it the song, they retire it because they know it'll keep coming at #1 if they don't.
The song itself though is not bad. A lot of creativity. But no way is it hip hop, like Nelly's song with Christina Aguilera but you know BET played the shit out of it.

This debate is foolish the song is NOT ONE BIT HIP-HOP aside from her using a couple slang words. The beat is NOT AT ALL HIP-HOP. If you don't believe me sing, Hey Mickey your so fine your so fine you blow my mind hey Mickey clap, clap, clap, hey Mickey, over that beat and tell me its not the same song. So if Mickey wasn't hip-hop why should Hollaback Girl be? I don't get it.

QUIT HATIN' ON GWEN SHE'S DOING HER THING. I LIVE IN DENVER, COLORADO AND OUR HIP HOP STATIONS PLAY THE SHIT OUTTA THAT SONG, THERE'S EVEN A REGGAETON REMIX. WHO DECIDES WHAT'S HIP HOP ANYWAYS. DR. DRE PRODUCED "RICH GIRL" FOR GWEN AND EVE, THE NEPTUNES PRODUCED "HOLLABACK GIRL" IN MY OPINION "HOLLABACK GIRL" IS WAY MORE HIP HOP THAN "RICH GIRL" AND "RICH GIRL" FEATURED A RAPPER. WHERE DO Y'ALL HATERS LIVE ANYWAY? BLACK FOLKS LOVE GWEN STEFANI, JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE, JON B AND DON'T CARE THAT THEY'RE WHITE. JON B DID A SONGS WITH 2PAC, GURU, AND SCARFACE, IS THAT HIP HOP ENOUGH? IF PHARRELL'S INVOLVED IT'S HIP HOP. BET USED TO PLAY THAT JOINT BY CHRISTINA AGUILERA AND LIL' KIM "CAN'T HOLD US DOWN", THEY ALSO USED TO PLAY "SLAVE" BY BRITNEY SPEARS, NOT TO MENTION "LADY MARMALADE" IT MATTERS MORE SO ABOUT THE BEAT AND PRODUCERS THAN ANYTHING ELSE. ALL THOSE SONGS WERE PRODUCED BY HIP HOP PRODUCERS LIKE MISSY ELLIOTT, ROCKWILDER, THE NEPTUNES, TIMBALAND, ETC. THE MORE THE LINE BETWEEN HIP HOP AND POP IS BLURRED, THE BETTER IT IS FOR HIP HOP. I JUST HEARD "JESUS WALKS" ON A TOP 40 STATION NOT A HIP HOP STATION. SAME WITH SONGS LIKE "YEAH", "RAISE UP", "99 PROBLEMS", "DROP IT LIKE IT'S HOT" IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR HIP HOP TO REACH THE MASSES IN PLACES THAT DON'T GET HIP HOP RADIO. QUIT HATIN' AND JUST BE HONEST YOU MAD 'CAUSE SHE'S WHITE.

The song is not HIP-HOP and it is not rap, but it is still a hot song to me. Gwen said she isn't RAPPER/HIP-HOP artist, but they play her on those type of radio stations. Is that her fault. No. Someone high up noticed that fans of R&B and RAP were feeling the song, and they said, "Hey let see how this does on the other stations". It's obvious the program directors at the stations must have noticed request for the song after it was played.

I know what Q-Tip said, but unfortunately a "pop" song doesn't designate non-rap or hip-hop songs, it designates "POP"ular songs. So if it's a country song, classical or jazz; if it's popular it's pop music. If your song is in the Top 40 on Billboard, guess what? Your song is a Top 40 song.

Now if you are listening to an R&B/Hip-Hop station they play they generally play the Top 40 R&B/Hip-Hop and crossover Top 40 "mainstream" songs (usually the same song around the same time every day). I do know that there are all request hours and stations, but ask them to play Cool C, "Glamorous Life" or some Three Times Dope. If they play it you will be lucky because most of the time they'll ask/tell you want song to request if it is not a current or past hit. Of course, unless you pay Funkmaster Flex about 10 or 20k (which is illegal), he'll play your song 5 times in a row. Ultimately, if the program director says play it, it's played.

Overall, radio plays what people are buying the most, in respect to radio station genre, unless it's an independent radio station.

RAP is the MUSIC; the Kool G. Rap, the LL Cool J, etc. HIP-HOP is an continuously evolving WAY OF LIFE, B-Boying, breakdancing, Phat Farm, Ecko, Tagging, etc.

If you look at some other genre singers or bands they maybe rock, country or whatever. Look at Linkin Park or Limp Bizkit. Rock bands that dress HIP-HOP and have a RAP influence.

As I conclude this response, I just want people to know that HIP-HOP is the way to live, a way of life, and this way of life is dominating the world right now. Though people may not be 100% HIP-HOP the influence is there. Country stars wearing baggy jeans with a little sag; heavy metal bands sporting Rocawear and Sean John.

I would not consider Gwen's song RAP or consider her a rap artist, but her video personifies HIP-HOP.

yaknow...."You're not 'hood, you're not hard, you're not real, you're not thug, you're not hip hop."

Are you saying you have to have these qualities to be hip-hop? If that's the case middle class folk and above can never be hip-hop. That would include people like Kanye West, Pharrell, and others who didn't live the lifestyle you describe, but are still considered hip-hop.

If that's not what you meant. MY BAD DOG!!!!

Medicine Man, we're not talking about "rap" we're not talking about "thug" whatever that is. We're talking about hip-hop, once again we will reiterate, Hip hop is a culture, a way of life of upliftment, even a dispensing of tools to assist people in gaining some sense of knowledge of self that they may uplift themselves.

Hip hop is a good time that doesn't necessarily have to involve the use of mind-numbing drugs that eventually lead to the entertaining of mind-numbing music versus music with a clear concise message that seeks to bring about a positive change versus the stagnancy of a status quo that sees the radios top 5 hits played amongst listeners, who resemble, socio-economically, the people that instituted the artform called hip hop, yet those listening people are in a rut or state of stagnancy or cycle of indigency. Why?

It might be because the top 5 hits confuses education and being educated with being a Nerd (peep the SOHH, The Core feature DEGREEZ OF HOTNESS) and being consistently incarcerated as the masterbation king of the cell block with being a thug.

MedicineMan, we don't intend to offend you, but unless you have learned to jerk-off every due to incarceration around lots of incarcerated men as a means to release sexual tension, then you are not a thug either, your not hard either. Being penally hard (referring to your penis as well as the penal system) is a problem while incarcerated because that means that you, like some takers of Viagra, are faced with the dilemma of getting rid of an erection by means of masterbating on a consistent basis or learning to develop a sexual interest or appreciation for the same sex, your choice.

That's the price to pay for being able to wear the moniker of a hardened thug who is able to get his penis hard off of viewing men or women, that's what it means to be "Hard" and a "homo-thug". You figure out what the "core" means in "Hardcore", ask L'il Kim, she may or may not tell you. It's not all sweet dude, no offense. Really, who wants to be a "thug"? We said all that to clear up the "thug" misconception because its been wrongly misinterpretted for awhile now.

Peep the documentary, "Tupac:Resurrection" where Tupac, the originator of "Thug-Life as most know it, speaks about his stint in prison, those dudes aren't hard they are humble and respectful so that things do not jump off, like they really could in such a harsh environment. Chaos and anarchy spare no victors.

We just don't see where "It ain't no hollaback girl" incessantly repeated over, and over, and over and over again is going to help some uplift themselves after they have endured a stint of incarceration, be that one innocent or guilty. Can you picture seeing some men or young boys getting raped and then falling back to hear "Hollaback Girl" deliver some answers for upliftment after all that? You don't want to see that and neither do we want you to see that. Maybe you could see the futility in being "hard "or a "thug" without it having to come down to all of that, capisce?

Hip hop is an artform that contains rapping as an aspect, and if you want to, you could forcibly place Gwen Stefani somewhere in there, but it would be a tight fit. Nothing against Gwen Stefani on a personal level, she is gorgeously beautiful, but do not get side-tracked from the issue of the blog at hand, "Is Hollaback Girl Hip Hop Enough". If all the problems of the world were suddenly solved overnight, there would be no need for a distinction between different forms of music, how they were conceived and their purpose. Until then, "Hollaback Girl" is not Hip hop, we sorry but hip hop is needed rap is optional.

The keyword to lookout for is "Enough", in the sense that, is it EFFECTIVE? Effective, for example, as in having "the crabs" and being administered an ointment or some medicine that is not EFFECTIVE enough to bring about an appreciable change or to remedy the illness as per the development of the study of medicine to yield a cure or hip hop to uplift. Like when Eminem said "Amoxycillin is not real enough".

"Hollaback Girl" is not going to really help anyone from the inside of an economical disparity. As rap it is merely something to do listlessly. Hip hop was founded for free yet of substance as a type of Public Assistance Music, regardless of anybody's hue or ethnicity. Hip hop can help one see their way through a black hole so to speak, it can change one's course from death-bound to life affirming, that's Hip hop.

"Hollaback Girl", played in the clubs, is going to send one mind-numbedly, elated of the catchy tune and insubstantial lyrics, running to the bar for yet ANOTHER drink that may just be the one to lead to that last accident. You would have to be out of your gourd or the owner of a shallow one to be so enthused of such a trivial, capricious, frivolous song. By the way what is a "Hollaback Girl"? Could some advocate for that song to be considered Hip Hop sympathetically shed some light on that enigma that baffles scientists, the makers of Viagra, and mathematicians alike.

Maybe that song has some inexplicable meaning that only a few can decipher. We don't really think so, just as Diamonds Are Forever, Never Say Never. No offense, but when constructively criticizing or standing next to such construction, wear a hard hat. If anything in this post resembles anyone real or fictional it is purely coincidental. This is a recording, this is recording, this is a reeeecooooooordinnnnnnnnnnnngghhhhh. Sike, keep the passion y'all, its what memorable moments are made of. Be cool MedicineMan, you're alright with us, but "Hollaback Girl" is, guess what......................................................................................It's still not Hip Hop, Rap maybe, MAYBE, but it is not hip hop.Peace Be unto you all. We all need some peace. PEACE.

who says they can't play non hip hop on hip hop stations? I think that the song is a likable song no matter what genre it is!! Its just a fun song to hear, and a lot of ppl love it, and a lot of ppl think its annoying.

Dear MedicineMan, in a nutshell, Hip Hop ahs a sense of urgency while rap is like whenever, whatever, however, maybe never.

Oh, and also, don't get it twisted, Pharrell is not Hip hop because he has some decent production skills and techniques, that's just mainstream rap, remember Hip Hop was far from mainstream when its essence began to manifest.

Snoop is not Hip hop because everybody and their mother wants to say "fa schizzle, izzle wizzle" or whatever the insubstantial bullschizucks.

Kanye is not necessarily Hip hop popularity was due in part to the then, new fandangled fad of the emcees (producer too in his case) that were dang near maimed by near-death experiences and overcame their physical afflictions to appeal to the shallow masses.

You could walk over the shallow fickle masses before they would allow a truly integrable artist that holds water and reason to be appreciated. Hip hop is not "POP" until it becomes popular to notice the poorer people around you who you could help if you're as rich as your favorite, skateboarding, b*tch slapping and smacking, Lord's name in vain taking, idol appearing in angel's wings wearing idols. When Hip Hop becomes popular, there will be peace and no need of the "thug", until then, Peace Be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

YAKNOW YOU TYPE ALL THEM WORDS BUT YOU AIN'T SAYING SHIT WITH 'EM. YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOUR HIP HOP UNTIL YOU BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND YOUR MUSIC IS PLAYED ALONG MAINSTREAM ARTISTS AND YOU'RE AN EASILY RECOGNIZABLE CELEBRITY. THAT IS THE DUMBEST SHIT I'VE EVER HEARD. OF COURSE HIP HOP IS FAR FROM IT'S ORIGINS, IT STARTED WITH BREAKDANCERS, DJS, MCS, AND GRAFITTI ARTISTS HANGING OUT IN THE PARK IN THE BRONX IN THE LATE 70'S. HOW ARE YOU GONNA SAY THAT KANYE, SNOOP, AND PHARRELL AREN'T HIP HOP? WHAT IS HIP HOP THEN? PEOPLE ACT LIKE OLD SCHOOL RAPPERS WERE SO FUCKING DEEP, BUT IT WAS ALL ROLLER SKATING, DISCO MUSIC IN THE BEGINNING. EVEN THE LATER SHIT WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF GRANDMASTER FLASH, PUBLIC ENEMY, AND KRS-ONE, WHAT KIND OF DEEP PROFOUND MESSAGES WERE IN LL COOL J'S OR RUN-D.M.C. OR BIG DADDY KANE OR KOOL G. RAP'S MUSIC? RAP DIDN'T GET DEEP UNTIL THE EARLY 90'S WITH MC LYTE, NAS, QUEEN LATIFAH, A TRIBE CALLED QUEST, ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT, AND OUTKAST. EVEN THE HARDEST RAPPERS HAVE SOME REAL EMOTIONAL SONGS LIKE BIGGIE HAS "THINGS DONE CHANGED", 2PAC HAS "LIFE GOES ON", MASTER P HAS "I MISS MY HOMIES", JAY-Z HAS "YOU MUST LOVE ME", ICE CUBE HAS "IT WAS A GOOD DAY", AND DMX HAS "SLIPPIN'". WHAT DO YOU GUYS HAVE AGAINST HIP HOP GROWING AND EXPANDING? WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST BETTERING YOURSELF AND BECOMING SUCCESSFUL? IF YOUR BOSS OFFERS YOU A RAISE DO YOU TURN IT DOWN? I MEAN COME ON NOW. SELLING TONS OF RECORDS OR BEING WHITE IN GWEN'S CASE DOESN'T DISQUALIFY FROM BEING EMBRACED BY THE HIP HOP COMMUNITY. BY THE WAY MEDICINEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT BLAZEMCHERBS SAID NOT WHAT YAKNOW SAID, HE JUST LOOKED AT THE TOP OF THE POST INSTEAD OF THE BOTTOM, BUT YOU STILL DECIDED TO BLESS US WITH ANOTHER 10 PAGES OF BULLSHIT. ALL THAT SHIT ABOUT JACKING OFF AND GOING TO JAIL WHAT THE FUCK WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I COULD TAKE THAT SHIT TO THE CIA AND THEY WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. YEAH I TYPE A LOT TOO, BUT I'M SAYING SOMETHING AND COUNTERING WHAT YOU SAY SO IT HAS TO BE LONG AS FUCK.

THA ARSINIST...thanks for summing up what I had to say, and thanks for looking out on the that quote with the wrong source. You saved me a lot of typing, but I will reiterate and support some of your points.

yaknow...dawg...you lost me when you started talking about penises, little boys and incarceration.

Anyway, you say Snoop isn't HIP-HOP because everyone is using his slang. WTF?!?! So it's his fault he appealled to many masses and they started using his slang? I guess getting the word "fa-shizzle" put into the dictionary is not an accomplishment but selling out?

I guess the forefathers of rap music and the hip-hop culture (Grandmaster Flash, Afrika Bambatta, DJ Red Alert, etc.) don't see that as an accomplishment but a disgrace? I guess DJ Kool Herc, Busy Bee, and Grandmaster Melle Mel don't like the fact the rap/hip-hop is worldwide?

Dude I was born in the infancy of rap (1976), and getting a rap song played on a R&B station when I was growing up was unheard of. You would hear a few commercial songs; "White Lines", "Ride the White Horse", other than that you had to tune in to AM WRAP where I grew up (VA).

I don't understand people with your opinion. I remember growing up and hearing the forefathers say they want their music played on radio stations all over the world. They want every one to listen to and enjoy this new form of music.

Rap/Hip-Hop wasn't and has never been just to send a conscious/serious message. It is also for entertainment. I was breakdancing to The Fat Boys talking about "All You Can Eat" or Whodini "The Freaks Come Out at Night". When I was around 13 Public Enemy came about, they let me know what was going on in the U.S., the problems are race was having. At the same time I was feeling The Juice Crew (Big Daddy Kane, MC Shan, Craig G, etc), Steady B and Kid N Play.

You remind of the cat in prison on "In Living Color" played by Damon Wayans, with your speech. By the way Rap came before Hip-Hop, that's why if you look at old school pictures you see those cats with spiked bracelets and stuff like the rock groups of the time.

In the end all is good. You have your opinion, I have my facts. If needed I can point you in the right direction.

Dear THA ARSINIST, we never said anything about becoming mainstream rap artists, you did, once again people are projecting their inner selves, feelings and personal opinions upon others without adequate information, and without any basis mind you.

Some of you consistently mention the color of Gwen Stefani's skin, when actually we didn't even know she was "white". Chalk is white and so is notebook paper to a degree, but we really do not see Gwen's skin being the same color as those two items. On that note "Vanilla Ice" gets more props for accuracy than anyone else who says she's "white". We were never ever aware that there were really any "white" people in the sense that Crayola makes a white crayon which bears no resemblance to Gwen Stefani's complexion. Capisce. Nor have we seen a "black" individual either. Some of you all are so "smart" that you all are somewhat divisive and then have the nerve to try to project your propensity for divisiveness onto other people. That's not right. Now is it? Feel free to disagree, yet by doing so we'll see who is preoccupied with color to the point of being color-struck and has color-of-skin issues. All is well that ends well.

The Early-School artists (because there is no Old-School of Hip hop, Hip hop isn't even 50 years old, and maybe then it will be consisting of an Old-School and/or a New or Current-School) did not have to say anything of exceeding depth, it was the fact that earlier rap artists saw all the negativity that was going on around them and they omitted glorification of drugs and materialism out of their rhymes as a sense focus. Pro-usage of drugs was never really a focal theme until Cypress Hill.

So you see it wasn't what the Early-School rappers said, but actualy what they didn't say. If they mentioned drugs, it was only momentarily,and it was not to promote them, but to raise awareness as to why they were to be avoided because the topic of drugs in Early-School Hip hop alerted would-be users to the failures and futility of "Chronic" drug users.

These days rap artists mention drugs, like cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol and liquor, and the winner of the Peoples' Choice of Drugs Award, marijuana casually like its a given or a requirement. Yet they do not usually mention the hazards of getting involved with these substances.

MedicineMan, you said we lost you on the note of "penises, little boys, and incarceration", yet you claim Snoop is Hip hop. Did you ever consider Snoop's 1994 hit "Murder Was The Case", probably not. The portrayal of incarceration was even mentioned with such dark imagery to portray to you the extent to which Hip hop can deal with sensitive issues along the lines of being a preventative measure. An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure.

Take it as a PSA even, (public service announcement) that lots of people tend to ignore as a waste of time. It may help somebody else to who the subject matter is relevant. If the music is not helping people in serious need, then it is not relevant enough to be deemed Hip hop. What are you guys gonna say next THA ARSINIST/MedicineMan aka Gasoline, that someone needs "Hollaback Girl" because they'll die if they don't get the PSA in that song, there is no PSA in that song.

P.S. You guys get "The Gas Face" courtesy of 3rd Bass, Pete Nice and MC Serch. Y'all think Pharrell is Hip hop, you guys are wack. Dude is a skateboarder cashing in on Hip hop's decline thats let anything in under the guise of being Hip hop if its "POP". Yo, Big Up to that dude alexoc949, peep that post you wannabes. You guys are devoid of Hip hop regardless of color, but because y'all want to be James Dean, "Rebel Without A Cause" instead of Public Enemy's "Rebel Without A Pause". It's better to stand for something than to fall for anything.

Actually, "Hollaback Girl" is a waste of time until someone can enlighten us as to what is meant by a "Hollaback Girl" or whatever the heck its supposed to be.

You see if Snoop were to continue "Murda Was The Case" at the end were he was incarcerated you would have heard of the aforementioned "penises, little boys, or incarceration" because Snoop says "cause you can't tell what's next, and he speaks of how inmates scrape toothbrushes on the floor to make shanks. You were probably lost when Snoop mentioned those parts in "Murda Was The Case", and he's one of Your icons of Hip hop, MedicineMan.

Honestly, MedicineMan how would YOU know what's Hip hop even if you were allowed to expound upon your own examples of Hip hop and failed to do so? No offense, but you wouldn't know Hip hop if it bit you, or fell out of a tree in the form of an apple that hit you.

Your ignorance of what is Hip hop enough (relating to the wording of this blog) MedicineMan, conveys a lack of critical thinking skills and a need for companionship, hence your need to ally yourself with THA ARSINIST who is also unfortunately way of course with the subject at hand in his need to make color of skin an issue. Your ignorance MedicineMan (Ignorant meaning to not be aware of the true facts) and lack of attention to the lyrics of "Murda Was The Case" by Snoop Doggy Dogg, and "Hollaback Girl" and probably any song shows your propensity to not be an adept listener capable of being able to discern lyrics, meanings of songs, essential qualities needed to be able to deem one's self a qualified purveyor of what is Hip hop (enough) and what is not.

You have a selective memory MedicineMan, you and THA ARSINIST, unfortunately and that is no fault of ours. You guys are not able to even tell us what a "Hollaback Girl" is Yet you defend the song as Hip hop, among all the other things that it could be, so vehemently.

It is only because of you guys' potential (we hope) to comprehend, that we even attempt to explain. Though as time passes, its like communicating to a rock that becomes more stationary in thought over time. So it is that you guys lose us along the lines of your combined straying of thought from the question of "What is a "Hollaback Girl?" If it has no worthwhile meaning, then guess what?................Its not Hip hop, let alone Hip hop "enough". Capisce.

For the sake of validity we recommend you guys search earnestly for the method behind the mad mindlessness that is the driving force behind "Hollaback Girl", before you guys make it a point to just figure it is Hip hop, and after that search a little bit more to find ANOTHER reason why it is Hip hop enough or else we might think that you guys can not read enough to correctly respond to the question asked by the blog.

If we have frustrated anyone, don't be mad get off the dope, its still not legal yet, but if that's your means of acquiring peace, then so be it. Some of you guys are stoners and you know it that's why that song "Hollaback Girl" flies with you all. We like that song to, that jawnt is quite alright. That jawnt has a groove amongst grooves, nut that not the issue.

Peep the post by alexoc949 to get properly orientated if you guys are disoriented and emotional. We Love Y'all regardless of what you might think. Keep your Passion to disagree. Isn't that America and the freedom we appreciate? Of course it is, don't get it twisted. Peace Be unto you all. We all need some peace. PEACE.

Yaknow (and whoever else thinks they no what hip-hop isn't)...First I'll get to the point of the board. Stefani's song, no it doesn't make sense, well the chorus doesn't, the verse is about how she is going to fight someone, oh well, but if you continue to read you will see that it is Hip-Hop. By the way I noticed I mixed something up in my post. I said Rap came before Hip-Hop, I meant to say the reverse Hip-Hop was 1st and Rap is part of the Hip-Hop culture. Now I want you to read these excerpts from www.daveyd.com :

AFRIKA BAMBAATAA'S DEFINITION OF HIP HOP?

"Hip Hop means the whole culture of the movement.. when you talk about rap..Rap is part of the hip hop culture..The emceeing..The djaying is part of the hip hop culture. The dressing the languages are all part of the hip hop culture...and the music is colorless.. Hip Hop music is made from Black, brown, yellow, red, white.. WHATEVER MUSIC THAT GIVES YOU THE GRUNT.. that funk.. that groove or that beat.. It's all part of hip hop....So hip hop has progressed into different sounds and different avenues...Hip Hop has experimented with a lot of different styles of music and there's a lot of people who have brought different changes over time with hip hop.. which have brought out all these funky records which everybody just started jumpin' on like a catch phrase...Unfortunately today a lot of the people who created hip hop...don't control it anymore" (I think this is your concern, partially mine too)

GRANDMASTER FLASH'S DEFINITION OF HIP HOP

"When I laid this foundation down.. the key was we could take almost anything musically just as long as it had a beat to it.. so that the rhymer who flowed over the top of it could syncopate.. For anybody to say that whatever they're doing in Florida is not hip hop..or whatever they're saying in LA is not hip hop.. Who are these people to say that?.. There were songs that Bambaataa played that to this day I still don't know.. They were so funky.. Some of the ones I got the priviledge to know..I was suprised...

For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along..."

Damn, that's some powerful stuff. Yaknow...It seems to me you disagree with some of the pioneers of hip-hop culture.

Yaknow...I must say I agree with you on the glorification of drug use, killing and "money is everything mentality". It's being overused right now. I see no problem with occasional songs like that. Like back in the day with "If I Ruled The World" by Kurtis Blow or some Schoolly D.

These days it's kind of hard for young cats to turn down the money that is being offered as long as they rap about the aformentioned subjects. If you have seen the Extras on Jay-Z "Fade to Black" DVD, he's talking to a up and coming artist in the studio. The artist is saying he doesn't want to rap about that stuff, but the label is pushing him to do it. Which is F'd up. He could easily say "no", but that green devil makes you do things sometimes you will later regret.

Let me see if I understand your point of view. In your opinion:

To be considered hip-hop you have to have a message in your song that people can use in a positive way?

Hip-hop should not be commercialized?

My disagreement with you is what is considered hip-hop and what isn't. In 94 I wasn't really into Snoop, I was more into Wu-Tang and Mobb Deep. So I really can't tell you anything about that particular Snoop album. Ultimately, according the GMF, "people who say, 'this is not hip hop'is wrong"

Did I say anything about color?
As far as I know I didn't just because I'm black doesn't mean anything. Music has no color. If anything you referred to the "white station KROCK"

"MedicineMan, you said we lost you on the note of 'penises, little boys, and incarceration', yet you claim Snoop is Hip Hop." Again, look at the above excerpts or just go to the site www.daveyd.com

Go to the site to get further educated and then let me know if Gwen's song isn't Hip-Hop. At first I said no, but now I believe. Now I'm pointing you in the right direction
----> www.daveyd.com

Oh yeah, you said I wouldn't know hip-hop if it bit me. Well. I am hip-hop, hip-hop bit me in womb.

YAKNOW, YAKNOW, YAKNOW. SO WHAT THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OF YOU BITCHES TYPING THAT SHIT? YOU SAID SO MUCH DUMB SHIT I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START. WHAT WAS YOUR POINT ABOUT "MURDER WAS THE CASE"? NOBODY THOUGHT SNOOP WAS GLORIFYING PRISON LIFE, NOBODY STILL GETS THAT JACKING OFF SHIT. WHY DOES MUSIC EVEN HAVE TO HAVE A POINT? GWEN'S SONG IS A CLUB BANGER NOTHING MORE. "HOLLABACK GIRL" IS ABOUT BEATING ANOTHER BITCH DOWN, JUST LIKE "GIRLFIGHT". MUSIC IS ABOUT HAVING FUN AND ENTERTAINING PEOPLE WHILE MAKING BOAT-LOADS OF CASH, NOT CHANGING THE WORLD. IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, BECOME A POLITICIAN NOT A MUSICIAN. AS FOR GWEN NOT BEING "WHITE" SORRY DUMB-ASS SHOULD I HAVE SAID BAIGE? PEACH? RACE IS AN ISSUE, IF THAT WAS CIARA OR J. LO'S SONG WOULD WE EVEN BE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION? EVERY NEW THING YOU SAY EXCEEDS THE PREVIOUS ONE IN STUPIDITY. IF FRED DURST CAN RAP, THEN PHARRELL CAN SKATEBOARD. IS CLIPSE OR SLIM THUG HIP HOP SINCE THEY SIGNED TO STAR TRAK? YOU ATTACK EVERBODY ELSES FAVORITE ARTISTS, BUT HAVE FAILED TO EVER MENTION ANYTHING YOU ACTUALLY DO LISTEN TO AND CONSIDER TO BE HIP HOP. BTW, IF "HOLLABACK GIRL" AIN'T HIP HOP WHY DOES IT HAVE A REMIX WITH FAT JOE, CHINGY, AND BUSTA RHYMES? CAPISCE, WHAT'S WITH THAT SHIT ANYWAYS? ARE YOU VICTORIA GOTTI? YOU FUCKING WOP. ONE LAST THING, YOU GUYS HATE ON BUD SMOKERS, YOU SAID "These days rap artists mention drugs, like cocaine, ecstacy, alcohol and liquor, and the winner of the Peoples' Choice of Drugs Award, marijuana casually like its a given or a requirement. Yet they do not usually mention the hazards of getting involved with these substances." I FUCKS BUDDHA ON THE REGULAR AND DRINK DAMN NEAR EVERY WEEKEND WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE HAZARDS OF THESE THINGS? IF YOU DRINK AND DRIVE, THEN YES THAT'S IGNORANT, BUT WHAT AM I GONNA OVERDOSE ON WEED? I FUCKS WITH X AND SHROOMS A FEW TIMES A YEAR TOO, YET I'VE ALWAYS MAINTAINED A GOOD JOB AND I AM CURRENTLY IN ENROLLED IN COLLEGE. DON'T HATE WHAT YOU'VE NEVER EXPERIENCED. MAYBE IF YOU DID YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH HATE IN YOUR BLOOD AND WOULD HAVE A GOOD TIME. NAH, SCRATCH THAT. DUDES LIKE YOU WOULD BE A BUZZKILL AND FUCK UP EVERYBODY'S HIGH.

MedicineMan, you cool dude, its not like you need for us to validate you or anything it seemed like you were lodging your issues synonymously with THA ARSINIST, who we really think is funny with the all caps-type posts. Dude is a straight comedian.

THA ARSINIST is striking at the air like Cuba Gooding Jr. was doing after he was harassed by the African-American patrolman on that movie "Boyz-N-The Hood". Take it easy THA ARSINIST, you're going to blow your own high at the rate at which your getting all excited. With the trees and shrooms and drink you get down with you should be relatively calm, you should chill before you raise your tolerance level. You don't have to get all up in the air with us. We're cool with you too, you just take offense at every little thing dude, don't be so raw.

It was never our aim to get any type of confession from you, but smoking weed or eating 'shrooms or whatever doesn't make you a hip hop afficionado. For the record we been checking out Ghostface's "Pretty Tone" jawnt and that was quite a while ago, but most recently we've been rotating that Gang Starr's "Daily Operation", some of that Red Man "Dare Iz A Darkside" for that creativity Red used to get poppin' off.

Then there's that "People's Instinctive Travels And Paths Of Rhythm" as well as "The Low End Theory" both by A Tribe Called Quest. That Little Brother "The Listening" has that nice throwback flavor and for a little lyrical edge we're looking to check out that Wu-Tang Forever disc 1's "For Heaven's Sake" and "It's Yourz" for a nice little recap.

Then on the alternative side of things there's that Sade's "Love Deluxe" album pssssst classic dude. That jawnt's nice for a relax after mid-terms and finals, for sure. Then when it's time for the crank up we don't mess with that Crunk Music too heavy, maybe a little something, but just for laughs like that Mike Jones' "Back Then" yo, that jawnt's comically ill, like how it used to be back when Slick Rick put that "Indian Girl(An Adult Story" jawnt. Rick was opening up a forum for himself to talk about STD's with sounding too preachy, thats truly clever.

Lots of rappers like Jay-Z and 50-Cent, Chingy, Fat Joe(who used to be dope when he was chillin' with D.I.T.C. and Diamond D, what happened, all of a sudden dude just "POP"ped and got limp with the lyrics) and Busta Rhymes got or had everybody's attention for a good minute and didn't say anything to grow on, and the H.I.V. rate is climbing amongst African-American females to 72% and plus, and these dudes probably banging their groupies so you would think that wouyld be an issue, whether wearing a condom or not.

Since his first solo joint without the Leaders Of The New School, "The Coming" Busta seems to be going out like THat. Dag yo, what's the deal? for reference on some Hip hop check that "Scenario Remix" by A Tribe Called Quest and Leaders Of The New School featuring that ill dude who was killed before that jawnt dropped, He was the first kid that rhymed on it, his name was Kid Hood, dude was lyrically nasty, literally yet tastefull raw as lyrical ferocity goes with a refined delivery that was kind of unheard of back then in 1991.

Black Sheep are ill too on there 1st album "Wolf In Sheeps Clothing" that first track "U Mean I'm Not" was supposed to be a joke, but peep how the rap game has changed to make tracks of that caliber a reality, or really a joke. The same thing with Masta Ace's "Slaughta House" Album that has the title track "Slaughta House" as a type of hyperbolic spoof of gangster rap, but now peep how those lyrics are the caliber of some platinum selling artists nowadays.

We can't call it in terms of an explanation for the state of Hip Hop now become "Hip Pop". Its a mystery to us, yet there are a few classic from earlier on in Hip Hop that suffice to do well for our appetite for Hip Hop. Later folks. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

By the way Gwen Stefani is as fine as she wannabe. She's got no business talking 'bout some physical-type scraps. She doesn't have to prove anything to us, for the record. She's gonna mess around and some other fair skinned chickadee is going to pull her card like that chick caught Leonardo DiCaprio from the blind side at that party, just to make a name for herself. Yo, its not worth it, either you fans like you or you don't but it's not cool to go unsafely out of ones element of security. Like G.I. Joe used to say" Now you know, and Knowing is half the battle. PEACE.

My wife and daughter love that damn song. I hate it and always have. It was on the "white urban station" in ATL but is now getting spins on both hot 107.9 and v103.....

AAAARGGh.....

YAKNOW YOU MUST BE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND. SINCE WHEN DO 72% OF AMERICAN BLACK WOMEN HAVE H.I.V.? THAT'S SOME RACIST BULLSHIT RIGHT THERE. AFRICA'S INFECTION RATE IS LESS THAN THAT YOU MORON. IT'S OBVIOUS YOU SOME WHITEBOYS OR AT LEAST SOME FUCKING GUINEAS, TRYING TO SCHOOL US ON THIS HIP HOP SHIT. GET A CLUE. DO YOU EVEN KNOW ANY BLACK FOLKS? IF YOU DID YOU'D KNOW THAT 3/4'S OF THEM DIDN'T HAVE AIDS. PUT UP YOUR LINK ON HERE AS TO WERE YOU FOUND THAT DIS-INFORMATION. FUCKING PUNKS.

You two dudes argue. More power to you if you like that song. It's catchy so I understand why a lot of people like. I require more substance to the music i listen too, it's a little happy go lucky in a 3rd grade way for me.

Again, if you like that song...no problem with ya. I dig gwen steffani, she's a little hottie and some of her no doubt stuff i got into, a bit.

But if you really think that is hip hop, then you really don't know what hip hop is. Not only that, it would be a waste of my breath discussing it with you any further.

have a wonderful day.

this thread is b-a-n-a-n-a-s

Peace to you, yaknow

alexoc949...check out my previous message, especially Grandmaster Flash's comment. That changed my thoughts on how I view hip-hop and how I comment on it. Peace.

By the way, if i don't like something that's hip-hop. I just say I don't like that STYLE of hip-hop.