Media Chin-Check

Hip Hop lives again thanks to Kanye and Common, please no more wack ass rappers telling us how much of a hustler they are (get a job looser!)or how much cake they got! (invest in black business) not all hip hop needs to be preechy but damn enough with the retarded rhymes already!

KAY Z IS THE GREATES SO ANYTHING ABOUT HIM IS GOOD.

He has deserved all the press he is recieving. People hate on Jigga to much. really some of these artists are wack. they have no creativity no point. And by the way Reasonable Dout is one of the best albums ever hip hop. And maybe just maybe the best of all time. some people just don't respect greatness. So I am all for jigga proof is in the pudding. No summer anthems nope no real albums that people are like yo he;s number one he's hot. None...So guess what you can't argue with success. You can't. Untouchable Ent. HOLLA

Yo Jay is an artist who really doesn't want to retire he just gotta get his bizzness 2gether so of course when he hear a hot track from his camp he going to bless that joint na mean... ROC 4 Life "We Gets Busy" Ya heard!!!!!

Only one comment: if Jay-Z crossed the path of any of you niggaz he wouldn't give you a head node as much as acknowledge who you are, so continue with the whole dick ridaz I'm part of the ROC theme and see where it get you. Shitted on - no doubt, Jay-Z ain't fucking wit no niggaz that ain't holden 7 figures or better unless you from Columbine or some bullshit like that, keep on holden the dicks of niggaz that won't spit on you if you walked pass or tried to shake their hand stupid you not down with the ROC nigga you paying to be down which make you a HOE. YOU MAD HOLLA BACK! EIHT WAXX 1

Easy little nigga! When you pay homage you a dick rider. If I said 2 Pac everyone will be like yeah your right about what you say. FUck you nigga he's the greatest of all time. I like his music I don't want to fuck the nigga bitch. You hatten ass niggas love to hate kid pay respect. I know you like fifty cent he's the greatest. Yeah your right he's the greatest Rat ever. Untouchable Ent. Holla

Fuck jayz! How he the greatest when pac dissed that nigga he was a no show remember? who did he battle? Nas come on u dick riders. Aint no nigga on
my block got shit he talk about.And all hoods is the same. real street niggas aint feeling him.Did we forget the term studio gansta's? negro please

Jay-z is 2nd greatest of all-time behind 2pac. Jay deserves everything he is gettin; he's been a great ambassador to the rap game. I don't hate, I don't dick ride, I just give respect where respect is due. All the haters, "get ya weight up."

Jay z is one of the wackest rappers ever and ya'll some bitches for ridin his dick like that

Jigga man is undoubtedly 1 of the greatest rappers alive. Y'all niggas busy hatim. Name 1 rapper that has made it big like Jigga. Niggas is just hatin cuz he's doin it big now.

jay though good cant be said to be the greatest of all time or closer to that.he walked himself through it and is a bussiness exec. now that's it.he can rap all he wants again but his time is over.

Pac was a snitch ass subpar rapper who kept shit started (and ya hate of 50)
Jay'z music is on point and consistent, unlike Nas or any of the other subpar rappers. Take that you emotional ass bitches

Let me begin this wit a quote"i'm the only one eatin thus far/subpar mafucka/even tho u hate i love yall mafuckaz/friend or foe yo all ma mafuckaz..." Nuff said. The only dickridin by fans, artists n writers is on Pac's dick. Save for lyrics that nigga couldn't flow for shit! N Jay did retaliate only that u dumb fucks didn't get it coz he wasn't callin out names! Biggie,Jay,Chino,Monch,Mos,Ye,Common,Kweli,Masta ace,Wordsworth,Ghostface,Nas(lacking in cosistency tho),Those is some real rap niggas. Mad props, no dick ridin'. Let Jay eat cos even the hataz wanna be Jay. PAMOJA!!

"You gotta respect the game, that should be it, what you eat don't make me shit." - Jay-Z

Thank you BADMAMA, perfect quote. Y'all niggas are wasting to much energy defending or hating on this man. Just respect that he is doing his thing right now because either way y'all ain't making a dime off that nigga whether he is winning or losing.

Yo fuck 2Pac....!, only reason niggas on his dick cause he dead....why he wasnt getting sooo much admiration when he was here? Big was that nigga....Nas was Big's son.....and Jay-Z came and took that spot and still got it...even after e retired u know why....alll u niggas hate on Jay, but everybody be feening if the nigga even drop 2 bars ona nigga song.....no one else command attention like that!

HITLER QUIT SAYING THAT NIGGA SHIT WE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT YOU'RE WHITE DUDE, STOP PRETENDING YOUR GANGSTA. AS FOR ALL YOUR HATE FOR JAY-Z YOUR STUPID AS FUCK FOR SAYING STREET NIGGAS DON'T RESPECT JAY-Z. OF COURSE NOBODY ON YOUR BLOCK HAS A BENTLEY GT, IS DATING BEYONCE, OR HAS THEIR OWN CLOTHING LINE/RECORD COMPANY/FILM COMPANY/VODKA BRAND. JAY-Z IS THE EPITOME OF WHAT EVERY HUSTLER STRIVES TO ACCOMPLISH AND IMITATE, GOING LEGIT. DON'T HATE HOVA FOR BEING THE BEST RAPPER ALIVE.

Leave my man Jigga alone, he's doing good in the hood. What Nas is doing, nothing, is he being a generous person, nope except when it comes to falsehood knowledge

PEACE

Greetings people. There seems to be confusion over the degree to which humanity's uniqueness to make decisions via willpower versus instinctual innate decisions is understood. To not like a particular rapper (oh forbid some are mistaken for artists when actually many are savagely venting the rawest of unresolved emotions) is to exercise one's divinity in the sense that if Jay-Z, the "God-emcee" (blasphemy mind you) is able persuade others to adopt his apathy enough to say full on to the perpetuation of crack to the crack fiends, then surely those of us who do not agree with his morals positioning have a right to disagree as will bearing mortals, at least, AT LEAST.

The apathy of Jay-Z is due to his resentment towards never having been treated as special by anyone in particular, aside from family, no more than for what people could get out of him, or what he could do for people. Self-esteem suffers greatly from such neglect in the presence of vulturistic opportunists, females included hence Jay-Z's preoccupation with berating women in general.

One may wonder what the future of Beyonce' is in the face of such truth. Like Cee-Lo from Goodie MOb said on the intro to their second album "Still Standing" track #1 "The Experience", "I thought you said you was the g-o-d, huh?, sound like another n*gga to me, huh? I thought you said you was the g-o-d, huh?, sound like another n*igga to me."

Its straight blasphemy when a so-called emcee that patterns his name after the deity of a religious denomination and then promotes hopelessness to the rebirthing of themselves as a heartless emcee that justifies pumping drugs whatever they are because the so called fiends are supposed to be worthless. What? Someone went left somewhere. Case in point New Jack City, Gee Money says to Nino Brown, "Am I my brothers keeper?" twice he says it. Only to be killed by Nino Brown. God is Love desires mercy not sacrifice. We not angry at Jay-Z, we understand the selfish motivations behind his persona. When you have felt as small and belittled as Jay-Z has, the only recompense sometimes only comes from making others feel smaller than self.

Even if they are crackheads, like on Sugar Hill, Ray Nathan killed he and Romello's father. Ray Nathan was like he put their father out if his misery and Romello was like "Who gave you the right?" as if to say that a person is still a person and everybody is somebody to somebody. A person may to be "just" a crackhead to everybody else, but they are somebody's mother, father, sister, brother, cousin, aunt, or uncle or grandparents in some cases.

Jay-Z is so emotionally damaged that's it's a shame and yet it doesn't justify two wrongs to make a right, ya dig? Jay-Z is damaged goods believe it or not because he is still not satisfied with all of his money and his retirement status. Jay-Z was never going to retire he just pulled the ol' Coca-Cola, then New Coke, then Coca-Cola Classic. Jay-Z feeds of feeling needed, he's empowered off of other people's dependency since the days of peddling crack or accessory to it. He only retired, knowing he wouldn't stay in retirement, so he could rerelease himself and juice the jock-riders for accolades. It's no surprise that band-wagoning people, that label exercisers of their will power as "haters", *sigh*, would be so predictable after a nearly 2-year hiatus. To even Hate a thing, one must have passionately cared deeply for a thing once upon a time. Y'all can call us "Haters", we interpret it as passion. Like Ghostface said "Tyson bit Holyfield's ear, We Love the sport."

To all the drones that keep on hollering, "you hatin'" this, "oh you a hater" that, can that garbage, if people agreed with everything that was released on the market to be sold, we'd all be a bunch of conceding drones. To all those people who do not have the passion to think outside of the box, don't stifle those of us who humanely do. Like Common said on "The Sixth Sense" of the "Like Water For Chocolate" album "If I don't like it, I don't like it, that don't mean that I'm hatin'", ya dig? When you don't exercise your right to decide for yourself, even if it means you disagree, you lose your right to chose. A few people sound like they are married to Jay-Z, good luck then, because Beyonce' wants him as a "Soldier" and she still can't get him to commit after 2 years. Some marriages don't even last that long.

It's amazing how cats ride Jay-Z's bozack when he's running interference for Beyonce'. Oh well. One is for certain and that is as long as Jay-Z is being pampered by the "Hater"-Haters (see how some agree to disagree, who said it was wrong) He'll continue to "dumb-down" the music as he admitted on "Moment of Clarity". Mind you, only a d*mmy would still claim to be a fan of Jay-Z when he admits to playing the faces of his core audience because he knows they'll buy the garbage anyway. We don't know about you all, but we don't like watered down Kool-Aid, and when you jock-ride Jay-Z, Jay-Z and his band of platinum and Kristaled-out, hapless merry men should be able to at least afford the sugar, AT LEAST. After Jay-Z dropped "Moment Of Clarity" and people still hung on, he knew he had some suckers and he knew just how to play some of the people all the time, or all of the people some of the time, even if he couldn't play all the people all of the time. He's back at any rate, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding round two from out of "retirement" (yeah right).

Tupac is not an issue, he's already established, hence, "a soldier dies once, a coward dies a thousand deaths". We don't numerically nominate emcees because some play center-field, left-field, first-base, third-base (3rd Bass), short-stop, etc. or even the pitcher (just to get the other cats to swing) depending upon their area of specialization. Jay-Z doesn't even remotely rival all that Tupac spat up 'til he was 24 years old not to mention the entire body of music he composed as an ARTIST, a classification most emcees have yet earned or even apper to strive for which is why many are not worthy of mention. While Jay-Z and the ROC and their subsidiaries of whoever are glorify the decadence of the ghetto red hot, just remember "Brenda's Got A Baby". That joint alone deals with the mind, the body, and the soul.

Jay-Z couldn't give hoot about any of y'all riding his tip because that's what his fan's love him for, that fact that he could care less for a chick and even less for the male groupies. BIG was supposed to be his BOY, and even Nas saw how he was easily discarded a la, "First Biggie's your man, then you got the nerve to say that you better than BIG, d*ck-sucking lips, won't you let the late, great veteran live". Who out there is closer to Jay-Z than BIG was that thinks Jay-Z gives a rat's a** about their consumership, ha, if you bought it, you did it because you needed it like the fiends needed the crack, suckers.

And for the record, we appreciate Jay-Z, we don't jock ride, yet we appreciate the dude and we understand the motivation behind his lax moral-positioning. See, Jay-Z has potential. He said he dumbed his music down because it sold more units that way. Cool, that makes sense, because he knew who was tripping over what elements of his first album and he knew what to concentrate on for the sake of lucrativity.

We do not hate Jay-Z for what he does because he who runs away lives to fight another day, Naw, we do not truly have a problem with Jay-Z so much as we are upset with the masses of jock-riders to whom Jay-Z caters to, see when they reach the level of total appreciation for the entirety of "Reasonable Doubt" then Jay can get back to the business of making those lyrical thrillers that were of depth. Like "D'evils", where the conscience of one's humanity or heart was weighed as if against the ideal of a feather on the scale versus against the many kilos that almost justify any whim of heart and mind, yet of consequence to the weary spiritted. The potential of Jay-Z remains there as the diamond of the ROC under unrefined coal, yet even moreso than the diamond under the coal, is that within the diamond that takes time to mine, that yields a wit sharper than glass, able to magnify souls, yet who will break the mold that the better may unfold? When Jay-Z returns this time, maybe he won't turn back from the lyrical integrity that opened the door in the first place.

Nas helped you up, maybe he can help you out, assist each other and others, you should. Regardless if you all turn your backs like snobs, you all had your turns. Peace be unto those who entertain the heart of hip hop and all that is unto life and the better. PEACE.

As usual this nigga Yaknow, talk too much. First off three other real rap niggaz big here in Africa is Black thought,Immortal technique n Last Emperor. All these cats can outrhyme what yall buy there in the states but yall would rather be amazed by celebrity n all that hollywood jazz! We rarely buy american cds out here in Kenya coz yo cracker owned labels don't supply n it would be a waste of money anyway. Jigga is big coz people like to be stupified n to escape reality. Anythin real, niggaz run the other way. Jay turned his back on that deep shit to sell mo to the crackers, Nas did that shit too but howquick we forget as he tried to redeem his ass with stillmatic. If its bout cheddar, GO JAY,NELLY,JON,50. If its bout the real hiphop that was to enlighten then yall know the real niggas supplyin it,"where all the wickedest lyricists found?/in the underground!"Last Emperor spit that shit. PAMOJA!

I CAN'T EVEN BELIEVE ALL THE BULLSHIT I JUST READ IN THE LAST COUPLE POSTS. ODHIS, SORRY TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUT BLACK THOUGHT, IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE, AND LAST EMPEROR ARE ALL AMERICAN HIP HOP. BLACK THOUGHT IS FROM THE ROOTS AND IMMORTAL TECHNIQUE IS LATINO FROM GUATAMALA OR SOME SHIT. JAY-Z COULD GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SELLING RECORDS IN AFRICA, HE SELLS MORE IN EUROPE, JAPAN, OR CANADA THAN THE WHOLE CONTINENT OF AFRICA COMBINED. AND YAKNOW WAS THAT A POST OR YOUR FUCKING THESIS FOR HARVARD? WHAT'S ALL THIS TALK OF MORALS AND SHIT? HOVA MAY MAKE HIS MONEY RAPPING ABOUT MATERIALISTIC SHIT BUT HE TAKES CARE OF HIS PEOPLES DOWN THE LINE. COMMON MIGHT BE MORE SPIRITUAL, BUT DO YOU THINK HE BOUGHT HIS MOMMA A HOUSE? WHAT'S MORE MORAL? AND HIP HOP IS TO OUR GENERATION WHAT CLASSIC ROCK LIKE HENDRIX AND LED ZEPPLIN WERE TO OUR PARENTS, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORALS IT'S SEX, DRUGS, AND ROCK & ROLL. FROM THE LOOKS OF THESE MESSAGE BOARDS YOU'D THINK NAS WAS LIKE THE MOST POPULAR RAPPER IN THE WORLD. TOO BAD YOU ASSHOLES DON'T SUPPORT HIM AND BUY HIS ALBUMS, THE WAY Y'ALL BE DEFENDING HIM. EVERYBODY ON HERE HATES ON JIGGA AND FIDDY, YET THEY STILL OUTSELL EVERYBODY 'CEPT EMINEM AND NELLY. ON A SIDE NOTE TO ALL YOU DUDES TALKING THAT UNDERGROUND SHIT, ARE YOU ALWAYS DEPRESSED JUST SITTING AND SULKING WISHING YOUR FAVORITE RAPPERS WERE POPULAR AS YOU FEEL THEY DESERVE TO BE? DON'T YOU EVER WANNA HAVE FUN, LET LOOSE, SHAKE THAT ASS? 50 AND HOV HIT YOU WITH SOME DEEP SHIT, BUT THEIR CLUB RECORDS ARE WHAT PROPELS THEIR SUCCESS. YOU GUYS SEEM LIKE YOU NEVER HAVE ANY FUN, THAT'S WHY PEOPLE LOVE JAY-Z 'CAUSE HIS MUSIC IS FUN. COMMON'S NEW JOINT "THE CORNER" IS HOT BUT DON'T EXPECT THAT RECORD TO TEAR UP THE DANCE FLOOR AT YOUR LOCAL CLUB LIKE "DIRT OFF YOUR SHOULDER" OR "JUST A LIL' BIT" BUSTA RHYMES WAS AN UNDERGROUND DUDE BUT HE LINKED UP WITH PUFFY AND CHANGED HIS IMAGE TO BECOME A STAPLE IN HIP HOP LIKE SCARFACE OR SNOOP DOGG. Q-TIP IS TRYING TO DO THE SAME THING. WHEN YOU'RE A BUMMER ALL THE TIME LIKE DEAD PREZ, YOU'RE GONNA ALIENATE PEOPLE BEFORE THEY HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

What I hate most is when u idiots try to speculate about the motivation behind certain rappers... what part of its all about the $$$ don't u understand... "yaknow" - that was a waste of my f**king time.
I'll bet anything that every single underground emcee will sell his soul to have what Jay-Z has... i can already see Talib beginning to go the commercial route... as is Common... its a hip-hop revolution b**tches!! Soon money, sex and drugs will become underground and Black power, love and knowledge will rule the airwaves... y'all will thank Kanye West, Common, MosDef, and Talib for this

words from da Prophet

What is it witchu Americans? Yall think every nigga in Africa is ignorant. Arsinist, get an original name I know u aint no member of the Arsonists! I know Tyriq(Black Thought nigga)is the frontman of the roots I know Immortal is Latino n I also know the Emp is from Philly. I ain't never sed them cats was African, They jus big down here. Not bigga then Jay tho. Big up yoself Prophet! It is, has always been n will always be about the money! Jigga rules n he ain't blasphemin when he say god mc coz "we were created in his image, call us by our name" Erykah Badu. This is for Arsinist, FYI we got our own African hiphop both commercial n underground, we don't need cracker labels sellin here coz we burn the shit for free off the net n only buy our own African cds, supportin our own, Undugu nigga! Shit u gon have me spittin in swahili ina while. Bottomline, love or hate jigga he's still fuckin Beyonce, still rich,n one of the greatest IF NOT THE GREATEST, MC to date dead or alive. PAMOJA!

If you love hip-hop how could you not on a basic level respect Jay-Z's ability and impact. Your fooling yourself if you think Jay-Z isnt one of the greatest. Just as all the greats (KRS-1, Pac, Big, Rakim, Nas, Wu-Tang, outkast etc) Jay-Z is/was constantly striving to expand. All of the aforementioned artists put out commercial BS as well as what we deem 'real hip-hop. That's the business. So before all of you develop ulsers arguing about it understand business first. You always wanna brand your product and once that brand reaches it's full potential expand it. Get your mind right....at the end of the day even in our everyday lives we may love or hate our coworkers, colleagues, peers but it boils down to taking care of your Family and yourself. If you cant respect talent at least respect success and the ALL AMERICAN $$$. Odhis I've lived in the US for about 14-15 yrs...and Americans will be Americans whether black or white....nuff said.

This is my first time leaving comments on this shit. I read everybody's comments. Most of you make sense others, ya sound loss. About that guy that wrote the book, stop that, no need to leave long ass messages u nerd. My thoughts on Jigga is, he is a success all way around. You can't hate on that aspect of his life, but m.c wise, he is good, not the greatest but good. We can't deny that he's a good rapper. But without a doubt, BIG was and still is the best that ever did it. I'm not just saying that cause his dead either. The only man today I see who can do what big did is Eminem. I hate to say it, but Eminem is the only one right now that could rhryme to any beat, whether it's a whack beat make the shit sounds nice, and can make anything rhryme, I'd say J can do that too. But BIG, I bet none of you bastards on this message board can't name a song where even though the Beat was horrible, BIG's lyrics somehow made the beat and the song hot!

Peace!

here we go again...Yet ANOTHER G.O.A.T. argument... Don't y'all ever get tired of this shyt. Jay is better, no BIG is, what about Rakim and KRS One blah blah blah...Eminem this..Common that...!! Why can't we just respond to the blog at hand and leave out all the GOAT rhetoric... cus u know as well as i do that we will never ever reach a consensus, so why waste my time and ur time!!

arsin-ass

you should not be callin out other people you little spic ass bitch, wise up before someone takes your ass from pickin apples and green beans and hauls yo sorry beaner ass back across da border, now quit ya hatin and enjoy life, by the way pac. is da shit and ridin his dick or not dat dude could spit da shit over and over,..

countryboy out

Chima listen, that's Hip-Hop for you, it's always about who's the best, since the beginning of time. It's a competitive sport, and we are the fans, and one last man has to remain standing. So that is how all the G.O.A.T talks start. There has to be a best. There's only 1 President right, then there's senators and judges and Governors u get my drift. My opinion is Biggie was the last real President of this Hip-Hop Game, for now the Presidency Seat still remains vacant. Now if you don't wanna hear competitive talk, then chat about R&B or something.

Peace

Odhis, Immortal Technique is peruivian with african decent. But you are right about the real emcees, and Immortal Technique is number one on my list.

you folks are a trip man. y'all arguing over nonsense. ima break it down real simple like. Hip-Hop is like going to the movies, you have all types of genres.from horror,comedy,porn,love action, documentaries and so on. you dont get mad at DeNiro for playing a gangsta in goodfellas and then playing a crazy dad in meet the parents right? of course not you just want to be entertained in excellent taste.we are all just human beings and the beautiful thing about hip-hop is that a true artist will explore all of the elements of life. personally I like Nas over Jay-Z because he gives me more food for thought, but I love Hova also because he will get the party started and all of that. In closing they are both god's..yes i said god's of this rap game and i will continue to support them both because i love the sport!
PEACE!

Peace to THA ARSINIST, peace to Odhis, and peace to all that grace this wonderful opportunity to communicate about the viability and the future of the music we hold so dear. Money, as a few people have expressed, is the motivation of many people, yet it is not everything, but merely a means to an end.

To become infatuated with the money, moreso than the happiness that can be achieved by by being situated with mass amounts of money, is to overlook the initial motivation to acquire money in the first place. In retrospect, money is needed to enjoy the least of the fruits of life and the merriments that adorn almost every aspect of life. A lot of excessively material people have forgotten that. Peace to THA ARSINIST for so adequately pointed out to us, that fun was the fundamental reason for hip hop's initial inception. An affordable good time was was hip hop was and until one could acquire more money, through legal means, the founding of hip hop was there to be with you until you could afford a better time elsewhere.

Seeing as to how many people enjoy hip hop music and the diversity of the music which incorporates all music that has probably ever been into itself for newer generations to appreciate, some may agree that it is not necessary to go too far from hip hop music to at least get some exposure to almost every form of music there is in satisfiable small amounts, especially since Greg Nice of Nice and Smooth fame pointed out that "too much of anything makes you an addict".

Yet as Jay-Z and so many others of similar cloth and mold have reminded us as of recently since their arrival, money separates the have from the have not as Tupac would say. From some of Jay-Z's own fans' admissions and the nature of some of his own lyrics a la "You broke, what the F*ck you gon' tell me", it would seem that such distinction is purely voluntary and egomaniacal rather than inherently functional.

Peace to Odhis who has so wonderfully enlightened us of Erykah's profound remembrance of the Greatest Book ever written's passages that would stipulate "If we were made in his image then call us by our names". Such eloquence should not ever be understated, yet in the case of Jay-Z's blaspheme as self proclaimed "god emcee", when compared to Cee-Lo's counter-balance on track #1 The Experience off of the Goodie MOb "Still Standing" CD (a classic along with the first CD "Soul Food" if we may interject as much) it may appropriately be reiterated of another passage of the great book that goes like so,

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. Arise O God, judge the earth: for thou shall inherit all the nations."

Jeru on the track called "War" said "My man said he was god holding the devil's pitchfork", ill verse, very ill verse indeed. On the same track Jeru said "It's still a mystery to you like the 82nd Psalm." Jeru is wielding mouthfuls of profound truth on the whole of the track #7 called "War" off of the "Divine Design" CD. Check it.

On the more material side of rap Jay-Z and the like seem to think that you haven't lived until you've done this or you haven't lived until you've bought this or eaten that or shopped here or shopped there. The materialistic attitude being adopted too early in life is poisonous to kids that adopt such views and those who they degradate that are independent minded beyond the limited materialist attitudes. The Golden years of childhood end up being the redeemable silver-lining to the clouded judgemental adults some grow up to be.

Maybe it's just us but wasn't it that type of lofty, affluent lifestyle so early in life that lead to Michael Jackson's affinity for children. Feeling as if he had missed the golden simplicity of his childhood. God forbid that children today that listen to rap as the order the day grow up to develop a perverse or seemingly deviant, aberrated affinity for children that is more than just a passing infatuation with a Peter Pan-esque abandon for the laws of society.

For all the supporters of the greyer side of Jay-Z, we can hear the moraless children disillusioned to thinking that money can buy Love, growing up thinking Jay-Z was the vintage music their parents listened to, solemnly chanting thelyrics to "Money ain't a thing". Courtesy of you all's hero, dunt, dun, dun, dun JAYYYYY-ZZZZZEEEEEEEE.

If Jay-Z becomes quality underground and Common (who is a land-lord, by the way, who owns tenements, for whoever said he never bought his madre a house), Talib Kweli, and the mighty Mos Def become the radio norm, then all we can say is like on the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy spilled water on the antagonist chick, "what a world, what a world, what a worrrrrrrld" and that just as Dorothy wore the ruby slippers, that once belonged to the first antagonist on whom the house fell(think Common, Talib Kweli, and Mos Def lyrically bringing down the house), we can only assume that power is not inherently good or bad, its what you do with it, but like the Lord Of The Ring, "The Return Of the King", if Frodo didn't hurry he too would be overwhelmed by the evil of such a powerful tool, the Ring, but alls well that ends well. Peace Be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

yaknow

what kind of shit you smokin there my brotha? you was rollin good but lost me somewhere out there, way out there.....

YAKNOW...

you seem like an intelligent dude, but you are judgemental as fuck. you have all this shit to say bout Jay as if you know dude. i know what youre probabaly thinkin, "i know his type." bitch ass groupie. well i know youre type, clown. you sittin in your four-cornered room thinkin that you know what really needs to be valued in life and hatin on ONE DUDE outta several who have done the same thing, just less succesfully. while youre bitter and judgin these independant niggas who started from nothin and did dirt along the way and now have gotten some c.r.e.a.m. to their name in a legit manner, you should be doin your own thing tryin to change it. while you busy typin those heart-filled messages youre dyin slow. if you know the right way to live and have your own definition of success then do your thing. ima tell you what would really surprise me ; see you writin one of those thesis papers talkin bout nas' contradictions and his darker times of his career where he was puttin out puddin. i aint one of those jigga fans who hates nas, not at all. youll find all of both of their albums where i rest at. i cant articulate to prove my points like you, but i musta proved a point to at least a few people.

peace and lets start hearin more arguin over the "old-school" era and mcs like kool g, rakim, guru, daddy kane and the other pioneers

Yaknow, u kick mad knowledge but in too many words. 456, u right let's hear mo bout the ol'skool greats like Rakim,BDP,Juice crew n 'em. Materialism is poisonin the kids but u ain't gon blame Jay coz they teachin kids that they got to get the money from elementary school, at leat that's the case out here in Kenya. Coz so many are poor n starvin, they put this image of the guy with shit to eat everyday as livin gravy. So the kids gon strive to be that n a million times mo. Jay jus pushes what's established in society n so does every rapper who sells mo than 250,000 copies in the states. Peace to all who love hiphop plus its dark side, let's wait for Jay's next album, fuck retirin! PAMOJA!

COUNTRYBITCH I AIN'T HEAR FROM YOUR BITCH ASS IN A WHILE, WEREN'T YOU POSTING UNDER crakka rappa FOR A WHILE THERE? YOUR FUCKING WEAK AS FUCK, YOU LILLY WHITE BREAD ASS. QUIT WITH THE NIGGA AND MY BROTHA SHIT YOU DON'T DESERVE TO SAY THAT SHIT. HISPANICS NOW MAKE UP 25% OF AMERICA (AND THAT'S JUST THE ONES WHO RESPONDED TO THE 2000 CENSUS) AND OUR NUMBERS ARE STILL GROWING SO GET USED TO IT BITCH. ME AND NOBODY IN MY FAMILY IS FROM MEXICO YOU STUPID ASS, I SAID I WAS CHICANO NOT MEXICAN. CHICANOS ARE FROM PLACES LIKE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, NEW MEXICO, COLORADO, ETC. AND WE TRACE OUR ROOTS BACK TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS AND THE SPANISH CONQUISTADORS, SO BY DEFINITION I'M MORE AMERICAN THAN YOUR PUNK ASS. GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE SO THE REST OF US CAN DISCUSS HIP HOP.

arsin-ass

you just made my point, CHICANO'S is living proof that indians fucked buffalo, and i wasnt eve talkin about the spanish i was talkin about your lame ass, shit far have you no friends? you hang on here tryin to impress someone and pat you on your wet back. and run other people in the dirt? your so deranged it even funny, if you would study in school like you read porn and teen magazines you could be someone in this world instead of the cockroach that you are now, as far as hip hop to discuss with you i would rather talk to a fence post, one more thing you little prick, why do chicanos have such big noses? so they will have something to pick in the off season........ now go pound sand up your ass!!!!!!!!!

countryboy out

Can't say anything that aint been said yet. That dude who talked bout the new Hip Hop revolution is right thanks to "the gap like Banana Republic" Ye, who by the way is naturally a whack rapper, but whoworks so hard on his lyrics for them to come out with taht heat. To Odhis, I hear mad Kenyan music and i gotta admit your shit is tight, but all those beefs y'all got amongst yourselves leaves the international audience baffled. And Black Thought is a self confessed huge fan of Jay-Z and the likes of Fabolous, back before Fab did Breathe. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. So jay sells crack and gets judged for his morals by the aptly named Yakmouth, yet if he didnt he would lose credibilty. Jay never ever justified selling his drugs cause crackheads were worthless, find me that quote u no-life having... dare i say it?... HATER!! Yeah you're a hater because though you're right about what u said about "hater" as a definition is right, u fit the categorry. Here u give us a thesis though it's clear your argument starts with an ignorant bias. U gave me nuff info on other issues peripheral to Jay, but not enuff on Jay to give u a fans credibility. so Fuck You.
I'm a huge fan of Jay, remember to all those that this rap shit for jay was just another hustle for Jay, just something else to conquer before he went for bigger bucks. After u sell Multiplatinum albums every year u gotta set your sights further ahead, or you're stupid and "Don't u understand the intelligence Jay Z has" " I thought i told u cats i'm not a rapper/ Can i live/ I came to take this shit and i did." He did.

CRACKERBOY HOW DO I EVEN RESPOND TO THAT JIBBERISH? "WETBACK" REFERS TO ILLEGAL MEXICANS. SINCE WHEN DO LATINOS HAVE BIG NOSES OR INDIANS FUCK BUFFALO? FOR EVERY EMINEM YOU GOT A THOUSAND IGNORANT ASS WHITEBOYS LIKE YOU. YOU COME ON HERE TALKING ALL RACIST LIKE SOMEBODY'S GONNA HAVE YOUR BACK, COCKSUCKER. CAN MEDIA CHIN-CHECK PLEASE BLOCK THIS FAGGOT COUNTRYBITCH FROM POSTING?

ARSIN-ASS sorry if you think im a racist, im not, only to you dickweed, look at some of your prior post and tell me im wrong!!!!! i just slammed yo sorry ass and now you lookin for someone to cut me from the post, enough said about that, you go back to your binki or suckin your thumb and be nice thats all i ask, and i'll leave your greasey ass alone..... BE NICE and quit thinkin your the bad ass of the key board....

countryboy out

yo Capital P, initially all the G'O'A'T talk is actually cool, u get dudes who really know what their talking about... but after the 20th time that shit gets real old. It's always the same dudes arguing over the same artists, then u get some idiot who puts Cassidy and Cam'Ron in his top five and say's 50 cent is the GOAT - fucking ludicrous... that's why i say WHY EVEN BOTHER? Why should i argue w/ someone whose knowledge of the artform we call hip-hop is restricted BET... pleeease!

I'm tired of niggaz dissn jayz & for the record, he did respond to pac. If u was in ny around 96 u woulda remembered the underground joint "Dead or Alive". He just aint pubicly release it cause pac got killed around that time. "See a nigga dissn me aint nothn new understand, its how I retaliate best describes who I am, jayz! Aint nothn dead or alive playn me, I'll bring beef to your grave that's how my momma raised me, she told me to fight in my after life that was her main story, so heaven or hell niggaz better have some answers for me, hollern shit from 89? Hawaiin Sophie? Got damn you been on my dick a long time" - Jay-Z.

Greetings peeps, May the passion of hip hop be with you. Without it hip hop dies while dissension creates buzz and hype as well as sells record. Greetings 456 your passion is astounding, mind you we are not bitter in the least but we must say you wield the words "bitter" and "judgemental" with the emotional disparity of one who is quite familiar with essence of those words on a personal level. Surely your passion is an asset for one such as yourself if you truly appreciate hip hop as much as you say.

Consider that you would have more potential with your unbridled passion if you did not project your emotional inadequacies on others so much, no offense, truly. As a fan of Jay-Z you seem to only acknowledge the depth of his lyrics only superficially, thats why you project your lack of knowledge of Jay on us. You call us groupie yet you stood for nothing in the way of supporting Jay-Z in your post, no more than ranting and railing on us as if you were on the ROC's payroll. Are you? We didn't think so because Jay-Z doesn't seem to take to kindly with the overtly emotional such as yourself, hence "Song Cry", so see we would call you a Jay-Z groupie, but it seems the function of your post was to take a shot a yours truly.

You're holding up the wall, but your missing the point, last we checked Jay-Z was the issue. Lest this is the Jay-Z penis riding competition, you might as well diss everybody up here that has the integrity of mind to have a decent opinion of independent thought other than what Jay-Z spoon feds you, which is watered-down and dumbed-down by his own self-admission, mind you, "Moment Of Clarity". Such passion properly directed would produce the proper analysis of Nas for which you expressed a desire for.

Critical thinking seems to be one of your strengths, yeah, we played the role of punching bag to your thought process enough to know that. What you fail to realize is that Nas is contradictory as much as anyone or any of us for that matter.

Case in point, on "Illmatic", the track "Represent" Nas says "don't even run about 'gods', I don't believe in none of that sh*t, your facts is backwards, Nas is a rebel of the street corner, pulling the tech out the dresser, police got me under pressure". Then on "It Was Written" track 7 "Nas Is Coming", Nas says "Motherf*cking Dre, what's up my n*gga?", Dr.Dre says "What's up Nas?" Nas replies "Chillin' 'god'" see.

Mind you, the growth of Nas has always been something that he has always kept in the open pretty much, he was always wise enough to change instead of hanging on to a shell of his former self when he new he was outgrowing it. The wise man does not despise reproof or correction and that is the wisdom of Nas that raises him above the level of pompous Jay-Z.

You guys like Jay-Z because you all imagine of him being your friend, but Nas was or is your friend aware of your plight when he says on some track how could i tease the kids with ice, gold, and platinum knowing that they can't afford that or something to that effect. Jay-Z tells of how he knows better, but does not make the change, Nas speaks not of his fault, but makes the change which is more important to be done than to be merely said but never acted upon as Jay-Z does in "Moment Of Clarity".

Speaking on the subject of the song "Moment Of Clarity", it seems that Jay-Z's conscious is clearly weighed on behalf of him writing watered-down, "dumbed-down" music as he himself said, for you, Mozzy (Bique) and 456, the fans that are not critical enough to ask or demand more from him as he is capable. The song is written as a type of plea for forgiveness, like, for the sake of the dream of 456 and Mozzy (Bique), it could be summed up as,

Dear thinking people who have an opinion as I Jay-Z, for me for the lack of integrable themes on all the albums I've made since "Reasonable Doubt", but I fear that 456 and Mozzy (Bique) and the millions of other people who fear to use their better judgement may cease to purchase my watered-down music if I inject MORE than "Reasonable Doubt" into their minds, I'm sorry, but 456 and Mozzy (Bique) are responsible for instituting my fan club since 1996 and as the wipers of my heiny, making sur that my sh*t doesn't stink, I owe it to them to continue to maintain the impeccable upkeep of my heiny which hasn't been so clean since 456 and Mozzy (Bique) got on the payroll since 1996,

(continued) Thank You, but based on the revenue generated by word of mouth by 456 and Mozzy (Bique) they have, by themselves aided in my retirement from the microphone seeing that anything beyond the integrity of "Reasonable Doubt" would cause 456 and Mozzy (Bique) to dismantle my fanclub and Jay-Z can have that, goodnight, (picture Jay-Z waving goodbye saying faintly in the distance) "It's the ROC!!!"

You would think that dude Mozzy (Bique) co-wrote "The Takeover" with all the animosity he generated and we weren't even talking about him, dude straight took it personal like Jay-Z was his cousin's best friend's uncle's mechanic's nephew's playmate in the first grade that threw up on him on the playground and he vowed to never wash his shirt again because he KNEW, when Jay-Z sold him melted ice cream for twice what it sold for in the cafeteria, that Sean Carter was going to be somebody.

If Jay-Z was the G.O.A.T. he would as a goat be able to take all the flack that we hurl at him AND eat it at that since goats eat anything. Yet Mozzy (Bique) and 456 must know Jay-Z is not the G.O.A.T. but the goaded emcee egged on by Mozzy (Bique) and 456 to continue to parade his creek water lyrics that even Jay says are dumbed-down. You know what, we can't front Mozzy (Bique) 456 ARE special to Jay-Z, just think he dumbs down his lyrics just for you guys. You guys must be honored, congratulations, Jay-Z does it all for you, thats got to make you feel special.

Who would have guessed it Mozzy (Bique) and 456 were Jay-Z's advisors all along, can we have your watergraph?, wait let us get some sponges. Huh? you sucked it all up? Aw Man alright, that's too bad maybe next time before he retires, AGAIN.

That's cool because even though all those other songs were dedicated you you guys, "Moment Of Clarity" was dedicated to us as a rebuttal for being the few that he wanted to write for, but couldn't because Mozzy (Bique) and 456 were hanging OUT with him, one on either side of his sac, OH well. Humor is the spice of life, well said on the Adam Sandler movie with Jack Nicholson "Anger Management" You die hard fans should see it, If you laugh from it, you just might loosen your grip on Jay-Z sac. Don't act like you haven't heard Jay-Z's humor of the same cloth either.

Speaking of same cloth, Dear Mozzy (Bique) you said you wanted us to find you a quote where Jay-Z signifies his total disdain for crackheads unlike Tupac who said "Never underestimate the power of a fiend".

On "In My Lifetime Vol. 1" the track "You Must Love Me", Jay-Z has sold crack to his mother and his brother a la "All you did was motivate me,'don't let 'em hold you back, What I do turn around and I sold you Crack, I was a bastard for that still drowning in shame", "had me thinking the newest kicks and the latest gat, still haven't apologized, so please play this back while I try to come to terms with such a heinous act, you know more than one way cocaine numbs the brain, All I did was think about how the funds once came, Glad you got yourself together, no thanks to me, Strong and beautiful the way things should be." That was to his moms, and by the way crack gets into the system by just holding it in the palms of your hands thats why he said "You know more than one way cocaine numbs the brain."

Then concerning his brother on the same song Jay says "Seen the devil in youe eye high off more than weed, Confused I just closed my young eyes and squeezed, What a sound, Opened my eyes just in time, To see you stumble to the ground, 'Damn', What the f*ck I done now, Runnin' round in a circle thinking I'm a**ed out, Hot gun burnin' my waist ran straight to Jaz's house."

Dude just told you all how he compromised the life of his mother and his brother because Crack validated the income coming in. Even in the song he repents while 456 and Mozzy (Bique) cling to the faulty reason he has discarded as being responsible for the heinous acts. You all are still old Jay-Z while he's making his rebuttal. 456 and Mozzy (Bique), catch up to the Jay-Z that emerges by the end of the song.

Once Jay-Z deemed even family members weak enough to fall prey to Crack he responded to them as if they themselves had signed their own death warrant no longer entitling them to the respect due to people let alone family members. Jay-Z was addicted to selling crack in more ways than one via hand to crack contact. Reflecting on the conclusion of it all, some you feel Jay-Z was right to do as he did, the means justifying the end, but even, Jay doesn't feel that way just a few you dudes part of the Jay-Z Brigade. Peep Jay-Z response to those of you who are co-signers that feel you have to get the money any way possible, "Did I tell you sell drugs?, Naw, 'Ho' did that, so hopefully you won't have to go through that".

SOME of you all should listen to Jay-Z beyond the production aspect until you dudes peep the depth of the conveyance of his lyrics. You might have a "Moment Of Clarity", a key point of realization before peace is attained. There is a calm before and after the storm. Peace be unto those passionate enough to disagree for the sake of diversity within the music called hip hop that we appreciate so. PEACE.

YAKNOW, JAY-Z WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS GIRLFRIEND NOT HIS MOTHER IN "YOU MUST LOVE ME", AND EVERYBODY KNOWS HE SHOT HIS OLDER BROTHER ERIC. GIVE US SOMETHING NEW. NAS IS THE FAKEST RAPPER IN HISTORY. NAS PRETENDS LIKE HE SOLD CRACK, JAY-Z REALLY DID IT. WHAT'S WORSE, ACTUALLY DOING IT OR WISHING YOU DID IT? NAS RAPS ABOUT GUNS AND COKE ALL OVER IT WAS WRITTEN AND THAT WAS HIS BEST ALBUM 'CAUSE HE WAS TRYING SO HARD TO BE LIKE BIGGIE ON THERE. NAS WAS, IS, AND NEVER WILL BE THE KING OF NEW YORK. NAS IS THE DEFINITION OF A PLAYER HATER. HE WAS OPENLY AS WELL AS SUBLIMINALLY DISSING JAY-Z FOR YEARS, SO FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO THINK HOV STARTED THE BEEF WITH "THE TAKEOVER" ARE MISTAKEN. NAS WAS ANGRY 'CAUSE JAY SELLS MORE RECORDS THAN HIM, OWNS HIS OWN RECORD LABEL WITH LOTS OF SUCCESSFUL ARTISTS, HAS A CLOTHING LINE, OWNS A VODKA BRAND, RELEASES TEN MULTIPLATINUM ALBUMS IN SEVEN YEARS, DRIVES BENTLEYS AND MAYBACHS, FUCKS WITH THE BEST PRODUCERS, SELLS OUT STADIUMS, OH YEAH AND HE FUCKED NAS' BABY'S MAMA CARMEN. NOT TO MENTION HE'S FUCKING THE HOTTEST CHICK ON THE PLANET BEYONCE. WHAT DOES NAS HAVE TO SHOW FOR HIS ELEVEN YEAR RAP CAREER? ILL WILL RECORDS IS FINISHED, BRAVEHEARTS ARE GARBAGE, HE COMES WITH ONE HOT SONG PER ALBUM, HE ONLY DROPS ALBUMS LIKE EVERY THREE YEARS, WILLIE ESCO WAS UGLIER THAN FUBU AND HE DIDN'T EVEN OWN IT. I USED TO LOVE NAS, BUT SLOWLY OVER TIME DUDE SHOWED HIS TRUE COLORS AND EXPOSED HIMSELF AS THE BITCH HE IS. IT AIN'T LIKE JAY-Z AND 50 ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO DON'T LIKE NAS, ALMOST ALL HIS FORMERS ASSOCIATES THINKS HE'S BOOTY. MOBB DEEP, CNN, CORMEGA, FOXY, NATURE, TRAGEDY KHADAFI ALL THEM WERE COOL WITH NAS, NOW THEY DON'T FUCK WITH HIM. IF IT WAS LIKE A COUPLE PEOPLE IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT, BUT THAT'S A GANG OF PEOPLE RIGHT THERE. ARE THEY ALL WRONG? A DUDE WHO CAN'T HOLD FRIENDSHIPS AND ALLIANCES SEEMS SUSPECT TO ME. NAS IS A LIAR TOO. HE SAID 2PAC APOLOGIZED TO HIM FOR DISSING HIM ON "BOMB FIRST" IN VEGAS AT THE TYSON FIGHT RIGHT BEFORE PAC GOT MURDERED. FIRST OFF MAKAVELI GOT RELEASED IN NOVEMBER '96 TWO MONTHS AFTER PAC WAS MURDERED SO HOW COULD NAS KNOW ABOUT THE TRACK? YEAH SHIT GETS BOOTLEGGED, BUT DO YOU THINK NEW YORK WANTED TO HEAR A CD FULL OF SONGS DISSING THEM? ACCORDING TO SNOOP DOGG, 2PAC BEAT UP NAS IN CENTRAL PARK IN FRONT OF HIS PEOPLES JUST DAYS BEFORE PAC WAS KILLED. DO YOU THINK PAC WOULD APOLOGIZE LIKE TWO DAYS LATER? NAS ALSO SAID BIGGIE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE SONG "GOT UR DELF A..." WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE SINCE THE BEAT FOR THAT SONG SAMPLED THE THEM SONG FOR THE SOPRANOS. OVER THE YEARS HE GOT LAMER AND LAMER TO ME. THE LAST SONG OF HIS I LIKED WAS "MADE YOU LOOK" REMIX BECAUSE JADA AND LUDA OWNED THAT SHIT. ON LIL JON'S NEW SHIT THE SONG "GRAND FINALE" ICE CUBE'S VERSE IS WAY BETTER THAN NAS'. YOU GUYS ACT LIKE NAS BELONGS WITH THE OLD SCHOOL VETS, BUT WHY DO THEY ALL SEEM TO PREFER JAY-Z THEN? NAS DID A JOINT WITH RAKIM AND ALICIA KEYS FOR A MIXTAPE AND THAT SHIT WAS A'IGHT, BUT HOV GOT RA AND DR. DRE ON "THE WATCHER 2". JAY-Z'S DONE SONGS WITH KOOL G. RAP AND BIG DADDY KANE TOO. WHERE'S NAS' LOVE AT? THEY DON'T FUCK WITH HIM. REAL RECOGNIZE REAL. NAS DONE SHITTED ON ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORETED HIM TOO. PRIMO AND NAS AND WORK TOGETHER SINCE NASTRADAMUS. IRV GOTTI AND JA SHOWED NAS LOVE WHEN HIS CAREER WAS OVER, GOTTI PRODUCED A GANG OF SONGS FOR NAS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON GOD'S SON. WHEN IT CAME TIME TO RELEASE THE ALBUM ALL GOTTI'S TRACKS WERE MISSING AS WELL AS "THE PLEDGE" REMIX. HOW COINCIDENTAL THAT JA AND IRV WERE AT THE HEIGHT OF THEIR FUED WITH 50 CENT AND SHADY/AFTERMATH WHEN HE DECIDED TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM MURDER INC. THAT'S HO SHIT. I DON'T EVEN LIKE MURDER INC. BUT THAT JUST SHOWS NAS HAS NO LOYALTY WHATSOEVER, HE TURNED ON THE INC. WHEN THEY MADE HIM POPULAR AGAIN. HE COULDN'T RIDE THE BUZZ OF "ETHER" FOREVER AND HE TURNED AROUND AND GOT EMINEM TO PRODUCE "THE CROSS" THAT'S A SLAP IN THE FACE TO MURDER INC. FUCK NAS AND ALL HIS FANS TOO, JAY GETS THE LOVE NAS WISHES HE HAD.

Once again we reiterate, if we feel Jay-Z should be prompted to step up the quality of his music because he confessed to have dumbed it down, riddle us this, who did he dumb-the music down for? That's right. And what does that say about the listeners that like such "dumbed-down" that are "down" with Jay-Z, are they Duh, Duh, Duh mmm, like on "Letterman" from Sesame Street, Duh mmm uh. Aw forget. Jay-Z rules......sike. That was for a laugh. And with laughter there comes a sort of peace. PEACE.

It's ashame nigga's don't know the difference between givin' respect and dick ridin', i've been readin some of the comments and most of u nigga's who claim were dick riders didn't really give a clear reason why not to give props to jigga besides sayin "he won't shake my hand" awww, that right their is some homo shit. Who else do u know givin hip-hop new shit summer after summer. In my opinion Jay is the greatest rapper ever, you listen to his lyrics you can hear him evolving over time. Whatever he spoke that was him, he ain't rep west coast when he was born and raise on the east coast. Don't get me wrong pac is great but the nigga said one thing turn around and say another. Check the stats and look whose on top with every rapper you know. Those who love to dis Jigga only dis him is because he literaly got what u don't have in every aspect of life. know the facts before u judge, one.

people i hope you took time to read this.
i have been a jay-z fan from reasonable doubt and i got all his albums real. i have looked up to him as black icon. but recently i have been looking up freemasonry sites and illumnati sites.

these sites have basically told me some real sh!t. JAY-Z is a FREEMASON.

Now i know what you are thinking right now. because i was told this information about 6 months ago but i kind of ignored it. it wasnt until i peep them websites i saw certain things that freemasons do. when i started to read the words to "d'evils","lucifer","justify my thug","dope man" and there is many many more songs, it just hit me. even calling him HOV is wrong. freemasons believe they are gods but look up to a higher force. this higher force is what has made them. $$$MONEY$$$. on every dollar bill you have got an eye on top of the pyramid. that eye is known as the all seeing eye. the eye was put on the dollar bill by an occult follower. check the websites below.

to realise that the person i look up to is a fcukin devilworshipper is crazy. the worst thing is that im not even a religious dude, i dont go church or read the bible.

but im gonna let you dudes find out for yourself. AND THIS IS SOME SERIOUS SH!T.
when i was young i was told satan moves in many shapes and forms, and he pulls the wool over your eyes.
that sh!t dont mean jay-z is the devil but he has an uncontrollable love for money, thats why he got $350 million and running. everybody knows that greed aint good.
i was also told a while back that the dynasty sign is a freemason sign, i aint to sure of that though im still lookin for the proof.

www.benabraham.com
www.freemasonarywatch.org

its like the saying goes what you dont know wont kill you.

YAKNOW

i swear from the passion you put out to shit on a nigga you musta loved some of his material (jigga). like they say in order to hate somethin or someone you musta loved it before, or some shit like that. people get the picture regardless.

ps.- you in front of the computer at all hours of the day, you must have strong wrists and i aint talkin bout from typin you lifeless clown. occupy your time in a better way, son.

ALL THE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT HAS ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO SAY ABOUT JAY-Z, EITHER THEY GREW UP AROUND A VERY NEGATIVE ENVIROMENT OR YOUR JUST A HOT HATER, I REALLY HATE THE FACT THAT PEOPLE GO OUT AND TALK CHIT LIKE JAY-Z NEVER CAME BACK AT TUPAC AN ALL THAT CHIT, MY POINT IS THAT JAY-Z AND THE WHOLE ROCAFELLA CREW RUN THIS MOTHER FUCKING RAP CHIT RIGHT NOW, AN ALSO TO LET YA'LL KNOW A RAPPER LIKE HIM THAT CAN CONTINUED TO PUT OUT RECORDS AND BE ABLE TO SELL OUT CONCERTS,,,,,,, NIGGA PLEASE GO AN RE-ARRANGE YOUR WHOLE LIFE, YOUR RETARDED MENTALLY.
BY THE WAY ANYONE HAS ANY COMMENTS EMAIL ME JESUSMORILLO2505@HOTMAIL.COM

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and whats the best Nas has ever sold .. 2 albums hahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahhaha NAS SUX

Jay-Z is not even in my top 20 list of Best MC. He's bitten a lot of rappers lines and his music for the most part doesn't have substance. I'm tired of hearing about cars, jewelry, clothes, and women. Reasonable Doubt was a good album but if you take Biggie away from the CD would it be considered a classic? What about the Blueprint if Emninem wasn't on the album? When you're talking about TRUE M.C'S they brought creativity to Hip-Hop like Rakim, KRS-1, Big Daddy Kane, Ice Cube, Pac, to Nas, Common, Mos Def, Kweli, Wu-Tang,etc. Yes Jay-Z is more successful then those MC's but lyrically there's no comparison. You'll dissing Nas because he's not as mainstream as Jay is! Bun B, Biggie, Slick Rick, Snoop Dogg, Nas, Big Daddy Kane, just to name a few Jay-z has bitten verses from so please stop saying that he's greatest of all-time. Jay-Z does have some GREAT albums and I love the Black Album but lets keep it in perspective Jay-Z can't be considered the greatest or one of the greatest if his CREATIVITY is so limited. Much props to Outkast, Common, and the other TRUE MCs for bringing creativity back to Hip-Hop!

Yo I've read all of these blogs. Though I don't like EVERY single jay-z song made, I consider myself a jay-z fan. However, I don't consider myself a dick rider. Truthfully I could care less if anyone hates jay-z but it seems like once a young black man gets a lot of money, people will always have something negative to say. Even if u don't like jay-z's music, how come we can never congratulate someone making something out of nothing? Because of people like jay-z, a lot of young people feel that thet too can become CEO's.

Some of you people are doing some serious projecting. Projecting your criteria about what makes a great emcee, Jay-Z included, onto people that do not favor Jay-Z in particular, especially when there are probably about a handful of other substantial lyricists to chose from, Common included is on Jay-Z's list as well.

It doesn't matter how much ,oney Jay-Z has, we don't care, we don't know exactly how much he has down to the decimal point so that is not our criteria for what makes for a qualified emcee, nor is it relevant.

Truly the riders of Jay-Z's penis are clearly those who defend him for the sake of his dollar amount, because they never cite any particularly meaning lyrics and if they do, those lyrics are probably quite condescending, cold and 9 times out of 10 exclusory and that excludes the riders of Jay-Z's penis too, until the Jay-Z penis riders note quotes of Jay-Z that contain a shout out to him or her, or them.

Nobody really cares about how much money that Jay-Z has but blitzpro, and the like. Since when has true success been measured by $$$$$, thats all vanity for those who are naked without the dollars, that means no personality. The people that made weapons of mass destruction created weapons that destroyed countless innocent lives similar to Jay-Z's music's effect on the street level kids that are disillusioned as to whose expendable.

You can say what you want about equating money with success, surely there's a conscious lacking in that equation or a very dirty or weak one, no names if the shoe fits wear it. The Japanese were devastated by the Atomic bomb and the makers of that bomb profitted at concocting weapons with the potential to crack the earth's crust. Success depends on which side of the smoking barreled gun you are on.

We hope the supporters of Jay-Z who note his monetary success over his lack of quality life-enhancing lyrics appreciate their matching ROC t-shirt, head-band and sweat-bands. Oh you didn't get those yet, that's strange someone with Jay-Z's figures should have easily been able to afford to send you guys that especially since you guys are already in line to buy his next album called "They Like It Garbage Or Not", sike, but if a tree crashes to the ground in a forest and no one is there to see it, does it still make a sound? Out of sight out of mind, easy for the asinine.

Its disgusting to think that based upon peoples disregard for morality versus a chance to make money, how many would pimp themselves out. To acknowledge "Big Pimpin'" Freddie Foxxx on the B.D.P. "Sex And Violence" album stated on the track "Ruff Ruff" that "I heard it said that a pimp will sell his a** if his h*e won't, well Freddie Foxxx don't cover your check".

We'll check for y'all dudes later, Ya Big Ol' Pimps, Money, money, money, y'all. Sike. Peace be upon you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

THERE YOU GO AGAIN. CONGRATULTIONS TO YAKNOW, THAT WAS YOUR SHORTEST POST YET. YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT MORALS, WHERE DO MORALS AND MUSIC INTERSECT? HIP HOP IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN AND BY DEFINITION MORALS ARE NOT. HOW HAS NAS IMPROVED YOUR LIFE? WAS IT WHEN HE PLAYED A DRUG DEALER WHO ROBBED OTHER DEALERS IN BELLY? DUMB-ASS, WHERE'S NAS' MORALS AT? HE JUST AS BAD AS JIGGA, EXCEPT HE HAS NO STYLE, NO GAME, AND NO CLASS. A SONG LIKE "I CAN" DOESN'T CHANGE DUDE'S WHOLE CAREER. JAY TAKES CARE OF HIS PEOPLES, HIS EMPLOYEES, AND HIS FAMILY, THAT'S MORE GOOD THAN NAS WILL EVER DO. WHERE'S NAS' CHARITIES AT? I LIVE IN DENVER, CO AND IN 1999 LESS THAN A MONTH AFTER THE COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING SPREE, JAY-Z AND THE HARD KNOCK LIFE TOUR CAME TO TOWN. ALL THE PROCEEDS FROM THE DENVER SHOW WERE DONATED TO THE VICTIMS OF THIS TRAGEDY (BIG UPS TO DMX AND RED/METH TOO), BUT DO YOU EVER HEAR JAY TALK ABOUT IT? NO. HIS GENEROSITY IS LOW KEY WHAT HAS NAS EVER DONE?

Point made THA ARSINIST, well done, its a lame duck topic by now. Could you possibly if it weren't too much to ask raise up off of the Caps? Your blinding us already. We think if you could capitalize your CAPs, you would. Nuff said have a Coca-Cola and a smile a retire it already. That last post about Jay-Z's humble humility was quite touching, though he still should do some type political joint just a step farther than "99 Problems". Since you're his unofficial spokesman, that shouldn't be a problem for you,but maybe his 100th problem to tell you NO. Just Kidding. We have no beef with you THA ARSINIST, its your caps. You like caps lock people to death or something. Isn't there another way? Until next month.....Peace Be unto you all. We all need some peace. PEACE.

Check out all the posts and repeat posts from mad niggaz this topic has generated! All coz its bout the Jiggaman! Nuff said! Though he might not be everyone's favorite rapper, he will always make dollars n news. Mozzy, its cool to know that u listen to our shit, there's however a lotta animosity n jealousy hence all the beefs plus as Africans, we some thoroughly frustrated niggas 90% of the time. The music, dancin to the sound of the drums is what keeps a nigga sane at times. We should be thankful that Jay does his thing so do many others in the game who don't get mention. I thought freemasons were a secret society n not devil worshippers coz that cracker pres of yoz is one yet he's a born again christian. jus an afterthought. PAMOJA!!

some of you people need to really relax and understand whats going on in hiphop.these are the greatest rappers of all time.talib,common,mosdef,de la soul,tribe, pharoach monch, ras kass, B.I.G. you fools need to listen to the cadence, the rhyme complexity, the way words are bent and blended. Now listen to any JAY-Z album. he spits lyrics with ease, it seems like hes not even trying, i have every album and his flow is ridiculous, so plain and simply put...shut the f#%k up you wack haters.oh ya, i bet none of you even understand what nas is talking about , cause i have a doulble major in political science and philosophy and his prophecy or whatever that sh$t he is talking is bunk and non-sensical.

ODHIS I'M SICK OF HEARING THAT CRACKA-NIGGA SHIT COMING FROM A DUDE FROM KENYA. WHITES NEVER CONQUERED KENYA LIKE THE FRENCH DID TO ALGERIA OR THE BRITISH DID TO SOUTH AFRICA, SO WHERE DOES YOUR ANIMOSITY FOR WHITE PEOPLE COME FROM? I'M TIRED PERIOD ABOUT ALL THESE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTRIES THINKING THEY EVEN UNDERSTAND HIP HOP OR GHETTO LIFE IN AMERICA. GET YOUR OWN MUSIC. IF GEORGE W. BUSH AIN'T DEVILISH THEN I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS DEVILISH? I KNOW THE FIRST BUSH, GEORGE H. W. BUSH WAS A FREEMASON, BUT I DON'T THINK W IS. HE WAS IN SKULL AND BONES ANOTHER ILLUMINATI-ISH ORGANIZATION. ODHIS QUIT SAYING "NIGGA" TOO. BLACKS IN AMERICA SAY THAT SHIT SO WHITES CAN'T USE IT TO HURT THEM ANYMORE. AFRICANS SHOULDN'T USE THAT WORD AT ALL, IT DEMEANS YOU. YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S LIKE TO NOT BE ABLE TO TRUST THE POLICE WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT YOU. JUST 'CAUSE RAPPERS LOOK LIKE YOU, DOESN'T MEAN THEY HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON WITH YOU. BLACKS IN AMERICA HAVE MORE IN COMMON WITH HISPANICS AND POOR WHITES THAN THEY DO WITH AFRICANS.

Chime, I feel you on that though. I got my boy who's talking about 50cent is the best rapper ever, I wanna smack him sometimes for saying that. You know what, it really comes down to a matter of an individual's opinion. The G.O.A.T talks can go on forever. It's really a matter of opinions. Who is the ultimate one to say... or This guy right here is the best the word "ever", period. ANd leave it at that. And also, ever can't be the word use, because this Hip-Hop game will be around forever, so there's more M.C's to come. On that note, I will end my dispute on the best M.C ever. I'll just give my opinion. ANd I've made a top five of Current M.C's which in my opinion who I think is the best and a
"Back -N- Da day" list, and yes they are in order... DAMN I can't stray away from the G.O.A.T talks..

CURRENT
1. Big(Warning)
2. Nas (I gave you power)
3. Jay-Z(Rap Game/Crack Game)
4. Eminem (Stan)
5. Common(I use to love her)

Back -N- Da Day
1.Big Daddy Kane(The Symphony verse)
2.KRS 1(Love's Gonna Get'cha)
3.L.L (Milky Cereal)
4.Master Ace (The Symphone 2 Verse)
5.Cool G Rap (Ill street blues)

Noticed that in my opinion I put the best overall songs each of the M.C's have done, the ways I pick most of the songs are just from the creativeness of them. Some are just hot, but most is because of the intelectual involve with the songs, to keep it real there is no intelctual with "Warning" that's just a hot damn song for no particular reason, Damn that song is hot, short & Sweet! I assume the people on this Blog are true Hip-Hop heads, if you never heard any of these songs I have, please take the time to search these songs down and listen to them. Most importantly, "Listen" don't just hear the damn songs listen to them, listen how Nas put that song together, Amazing!!! and How J makes that song so true and real about the rap game, and how LL puts his breakfast together... In last but not least, Listen to Common's "I use to lover her" and try to see the video, it's out there. But ultimately if I had to choose between "I use to Love her", Rap game/crack game, and "I gave you power.. for most creative, I'd give it to NAs.. WOAW!!!! I love Hip-HOp!!!

Peace

PROPS TO CHARLIE TANGO FOR REALIZING NAS IS BOGUS. ONLY UNEDUCATED PEOPLE THINK NAS IS DOPE 'CAUSE HE USES BIG WORDS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND OR REFERENCES ANCIENT OR BIBLICAL THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH. "I GAVE YOU POWER" WAS A HOT SONG, RAPPING FROM A GUN'S POINT OF VIEW, BUT 50 HAS "BALTIMORE LOVE THING" WHERE HE TAKES ON THE PERSONA OF HEROIN. NOBODY GIVES 50 HIS PROPS. TO ME "MANY MEN (WISH DEATH)" IS RAWER THAN 70% OF NAS' SHIT.

Oviously 50 does get his props from somewhere, he's selling millions of records, I bought the damn album. It's a hot album, but as far as an m.c wise, 50 is good, but that's just it, he's just good, you can't compare him to true lyricist like nas or big. He makes rap songs. And that's all good, give it some time before anyone starts saying his name when the greatest is mentioned, let's see what else he has in store, so far he hasn't impress no one but the radio. for the record, U can't not compare "I gave you Power" to the Baltimore Love song, man, a third grader could of wrote that, that song was simple. Not one line in that song excited the brain cells. It's a hot song to just cruise too, plain & Simple. Besides, it's not original. Name someone else who did what nas did on that song "I gave you Power" who would of ever thought that, Pac did it, but it was after the fact, and Nas still did it better I believe.

Actually Pharoahe Monch did the personification type rap where inanimate objects are portrayed as having emotions, discretions, and a subjective attitude towards the people that even created them. The song Pharoahe Monch did was in the fall 1994 off the "Stress:The Extinction Agenda" CD. Aw, heck, why did y'all dudes even plant the seed for remembering that album?

We didn't even want to talk about who's better than Jay-Z but basically its fair to say Charlie Tango started it by giving Pharoahe Monch the honorable mention. That Stress jawnt was too ill a la

"You may now consider me the apocalyptic one, after this rhyme, henceforth, there is none.
No more will exist when I emerge from the mist in whenst I was born into scorned, now
Most of you can't even comprehend what I am saying to you even in my human form the message I'm relaying,
Why do you choose to mimic these wack emcees, why do you choose to listen to R&B, why must you believe that something is fact, just because it's played on the radio 20 times per day,"

Done deal yo, and that was just that jawnt "Stress". The song that inspired Nas on the same album call "Stray Bullet" where Pharoahe Monch and Prince Poetry lay the foundation for Nas's "I Gave You Power" and 50-Cent's "Baltimore Love Thing". Simply put, we are not saying that Jay-Z can't make songs of that caliber, we just know that he refuses to because people are settling for Jay-Z's non-generic over the prescription that the doctor really ordered, capisce.

50 still on just his second album, but whoever said 50-Cent's "Baltimore Love Thing" wasn't comparable to other personification raps could get peed on with a capital P. If 50 was to never make another album again, P.S.A.s like that "Baltimore Love Thing" is redeeming in the face of the numerous albums that are currently released that act like epicurean lifestyles are cool in the 21st Century.

50-Cent if nothing else has developed a technique for challenging one to overcome their own sensibilities to act out of folly for the sake of pride. 50-Cent has mad people frustratedly loving him by virtue of their inability to not stop hating him. 50-Cent took Puffy's bag and has run with it, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!

Y'all need to stop bashing on Nas you know. Nas, like anybody else, is a growing artist and not perfect, but able to make mistakes like anybody else, and he has made a few, but if any of us were perfect, then what would be the point to us growing? Capisce? The thing about artists like Common and Nas is that, for those that listen to them, they can grow with them.

As an influential position with money like Jay-Z, Nas is able to speak on BEHALF of the lesser fortunate TO people like Jay-Z that would ordinarily dismiss the less than rich folk with snob remarks like "You broke, What the f*@k you gon' tell me?". Nas's "Stillmatic was a look back for Nas on the people that spent there last funds on his albums.

Nas, based the content of some his albums, seems to be somewhat concerned about the welfare of the people that have supported him thus far, discerning from how he incorporates meaningful messages and wisdom more precious than rubies and diamond for his fans and their children and so forth messages that outlast the longest "paper".

Jay-Z on the other hand probably wouldn't spit on y'all fans, let alone spit lyrics on paper for you all's betterment. The last message oriented joint Jay-Z dropped that comes to mind was off the "Reasonable Doubt" album, "D'evils",. Somebody tell Jay-Z to make a part 2 to that song because he seemed to drop the ball lyrically after that. Meanwhile Nas dropped

Nas is not to be analyzed by what you learn in a class room, at least not entirely analyzed by what you learn in a classroom. That's why his album was titled "Street's Disciple" duhhhhhhh O.K.? It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Until later. Peace be unto the passionate ones. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

YAKNOW, THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY AGREED WITH SOMETHING YOU SAID. WHILE I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU STATED, I'LL GIVE YOU RESPECT FOR THAT LAST POST. NOW ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS WORK ON THE LENGTH OF THEM SHITS. NAS BUGS ME BECAUSE HE HAD HOT SONGS LIKE "LIFE'S A BITCH" WHERE AZ SAYS "LIFE'S A BITCH AND THEN YOU DIE, THAT'S WHY WE GET HIGH/'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW, WHEN YOUR GONNA GO" AND THEN HE COMES WITH SONGS LIKE "I CAN" WHERE HE SAYS "YOUNG BOYS, YOU CAN USE A LOT OF HELP, YOU KNOW/YOUR THINKING LIFE'S ALL ABOUT SMOKING WEED AND ICE". MAYBE THOSE KIDS THINK THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THINGS NAS SAID IN THE PAST. NOW I DON'T HAVE ABYTHING AGAINST DRUG USE, I DO HOWEVER HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST INCONSISTENCY. AT LEAST CYPRESS HILL AND REDMAN HAVEN'T FLIP FLOPPED ON THEIR DRUG USE, JUST LIKE B.I.G. AND HOV HAVEN'T FLIP FLOPPED ON THEIR MATERIALISM.

To compare jay-z and nas is not really worth the effort as they both have different styles and different goals in life. jigga`$ is obvious while nas tries to put more messages in his songs. but when jay-z puts his greed aside and prepares to really spit his lyrics are up to par. that said lyrically out of all commercial rappers biggie is tops. but come on capital P...biggie`s best song is warning? that`s not even the best song on that album. you talk about creativeness...i personally find gimme the loot more if not equally creative. I mean he`s roleplaying as two people. i am not gonna gonna challenge the other 9 artists or the song..jus bcoz i felt that..warning thing was the most incorrect.

TRU DAT. "WARNING" IS A GREAT SONG AND HE DOES THE DUAL ROLE THING ON THERE TOO, BUT "EVERYDAY STRUGGLE" AND "THINGS DONE CHANGED" HAVE SO MUCH MORE DEPTH. HE WAS SPEAKING ON ISSUES THAT YOU NEVER HEARD BEFORE FROM AN EAST COAST RAPPER. B.I.G. WAS THE FIRST GANGSTA RAPPER NOT FROM CALI OR TEXAS (RAP-A-LOT). TO ME THOUGH NO ALBUM IN HIP HOP CAN FUCK WITH LIFE AFTER DEATH. THAT IS TRUELY THE BLUEPRINT FOR MODERN DAY HIP HOP. HE SHOWED LOVE TO ALL SIDES ON THERE. HE HAD BONE REPPIN' THE MIDWEST. HE HAD TOO $HORT REPPIN' THE WEST COAST. THEN HE HAD THE DIFFERENT SOUNDS TOO. SONGS TO APPEAL TO DIFFERENT REGIONS LIKE "GOING BACK TO CALI" DID. HE HAD DEEP SONGS LIKE "SKY'S THE LIMIT" AND REALLY HARD SONGS LIKE "SOMEBODY'S GOT TO DIE". B.I.G. ALSO PIONEERED MAKING HIS FLOWS HARMONIZE WITH THE BEAT. ON "WHAT'S BEEF?" HE RAPS EACH SYLLABLE TO THE DRUM PATTERN. "HA HA HA HA HA, CHECK OUT THIS BIZARRE/RAPPIN' STYLE USED BY ME, THE B.I.G." BEFORE THAT RAPPERS JUST HAD VERSES WRITTEN AND THEY SPIT THEM TO ANY BEAT. NOWADAYS YOU GOT EVERYBODY WITH THAT FLOW. SURE PEOPLE LIKE JAY-Z, BUSTA RHYMES, AND EMINEM DO IT BETTER THAN OTHERS, BUT THE CONCEPT IS THE SAME. EVE AND SWIZZ PERFECTED IT ON "I GOTTA MAN". B.I.G. WILL ALWAYS BE THE GREATEST IN MY OPINION.

How many times can you all say nigga? First off its Nigger meaning you Niggers should get back in the field. Second, some of you say it 3 times a sentence, and you wonder why people think black people are stupid Niggers.

Yo why all yall niggaz hatin on hov y'all can't spit so u hatin on somebody who can.I ain't dick ridin but errtime he spit on a record the lyrical flow is sick.And i don't kno why yall think pac the greatest biggie is then pac den jay then big l den nas etc.Get yur facts straight u guys don't kno shit about hip hop so stop the hatin and get a job holla Bk stand up

Yo, THA ARSINIST, Peace dude. Yo, we have been thinking about the Nas phenomenon or issue which really quite significant in light of his liability and responsibility as an artist. Nas takes shots at everybody as if he is perfect and that is hardly the case. Dude has gotten about as self-righteous as Bill Cosby, but peep it.

Nas has gotten WAY outta lign now that you mention it, Nas' first album "Illmatic" did have that song called "Life's A Bitch" where in the beginning of it, he and AZ materially talk about separating the Grants from the Jacksons and the Washingtons go to wifey. Then the whole song turns into a self-nihilistic theme song. Believe it or not, because Nas was underground, he altered the values of more than a few underground heads with morals because just as he feels that he is a leader now, so he always felt that way even back then.

On the "God's Son" album, Nas said something to the effect that he labels you a coward if you can't support the women in whom you plant a seed. A frivolous matter maybe, but last we checked, Nas never even had a real job, so that statement was quite condescending for a "God's Son" album. On "Stillmatic", Nas said on "One Mic" that all he needed was one God to show him how to things his Son did. We're quite sure that the Son of God didn't criticize struggling men especially not in the sense that Nas did.

Nas himself is responsible in part to the misdirection of young men under the sound of his voice upon whom he made a lasting impression. Nas has made some very contradictory remarks and yet he knocks his own footing out from beneath himself in criticizing others and belittling others to make it appear as if his feces doesn't smell. We recognize the incredible amount of pressure he was under when Jay-Z singled him out to jones on, no pun intended.

There is a saying that becareful when fighting youre enemy that you do not become your enemy. Nas would do well to take heed. Its an enormous responsibility undertaken to sling impressionable rhymes over the airways to imprint upon young minds and minds that as Nas says are going through their "2nd Childhood". One thing though, Nas appears to be a bit more introspective based on the direction he appears to be going in, he could surely outweigh his errored remarks by corrective remarks rather than scolding remarks.

Jay-Z is by no means let off the hook for his dumbed-down lyrics because if Jay-Z is not apart of the solution, then he is a part of the problem. Jay-Z and Nas both need work, yet Jay-Z appears to a bit more hesitant as of recently to release the shallow mediocre works he was so clearly known for. Nas is advocating marriage. That's wonderful for all that appeal to the subtly influenced. Scylla and Charybdis, you chose the least malefactor of the two evils.

Until next time, Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

Arsinist, Goddamn! U even dumber than I thought u are. But I don't blame u, they don't teach u shit bout the world in those American schoools. Kenya was colonised by the British till 1963 when my grandparents were lied to that Kenya was independent yet they kept a hold on us with crazy ownership in most of our agricultural industry! Its what's called NEO-COLONIALISM NIGGA!! The British used a tactic called DIVIDE AND CONQUER where they split up my people accordin to tribe and created mistrust that lives on till today. In yo case, its probably a white face u see in that blue uniform that u can't trust, In ours, its a dude who could be yo dad, black n he will kick tha shit outta ya ass, take yo money, lock u up n file a bullshit charge on u. All this shit coz some cracker came to our shore n saw beautiful land, fine women n mad natural resources n invited his fam n everyone else to come get a piece of the shit. That's where my animosity from NIGGA! Hiphop comes from the art of storytelling to the beat of a drum that my people used to do on nights when they were runnin from Shaka the Zulu to keep the children's spirits up, NIGGA!! One of the biggest n most successful farms in Kenya right now is the Delamere Farm owned by a white kid called Tom Cholmondley, the dude recently shot a guy 5 times n spent 3 days in jail n then was released cos they sed the guy acted on the assumption that the nigga was a thief n before this, last year, he had let dogs loose on a couple of kids n dudes were mauled seriously. More animosity NIGGA!! About a hundred thousand of my ancestors(my greatgrandfather included) was sold off as slaves, for all I know, u could be my cousin NIGGA that's if u aint latino. That's nuff lessons for now I'll school u mo on another blog I read yo posts on. To sign I off, I love Jay-Z, can't wait for his next album, n yall know that solo he did on Bleek's album 534(dear summer) is a hiphop quotable n he destroys the haters, say it wit me now, HOVA! HOVA! HOVA! HOVA!

ARSINIST, FYI all countries in Africa were colonised by Europeans circa 19th century, ALL with the exception of Ethiopia. However, the Italians occupied it from 1936 to 1941, that's during WW2. The brits were not the problem in South Africa, the dutch were! Coz tho Britain colonised em, the dutch, who were there first, settled and created a large society later to be known as Boers. They are the ones who implemented the system of apartheid that was seperatist n was the ugly face of S.A for close to half a century. They did this after the Brits left. I had to clear that up for u son, coz tho yo love for hiphop cannot be questioned, yo knowledge on Africa is apalling. HIPHOP LIVE 4EVER N AS JAY-Z IS HIPHOP LET HIS MUSIC 4EVER SHINE. I gotta repeat that solo on Bleek's 534 album is THE SHIT!!! PAMOJA!

Although tha arsenist`s knowledge of african history is not up to par with a lot of ya`ll let`s not forget that to his knowledge he does not possess any recent african ancestry and thus is looking at the subject out of pure interest. I congratulate him for the better then usual aptitude that he shows for the subject of african history especially coming from an american. that said, he does have a point in that some of ya`ll are using cracka and nigga improperly...and unnecesarily. if u excuse arsenists lack of historical fact you`ll c that his comments hold some truth to them. Cracka is a term used by some american blacks to describe some american whites. but that`s where it stops, it`s a purely american expression that doesn`t need to be continued outside of the states. the term is pretty rarely used anyways in the states. it reminds me of how south african whites have terms for black people that if people in the states heard they wouldn`t bat an eye to, since they never heard the terms before and have no history with the words and thus wouldn`t care since the history is all different. if u called an australian person a cracka they would probably laugh and ask u wat ur on about. tha arsenist is right in saying that the n word demeans africans. in my life i notice that most africans or people with african parents i meet don`t use the term. those that do are simply posers that are acting too hard. often they`ve just arrived and just do it because they`ve been waiting their whole lives to say the word as if it`s their right. african americans have a completely different history then other people and thus they come up with a very unique vocabulary that a lot of people claim to understand but in truth they don`t. FYI when i hear an african say the word nigga, to my ear it`s just as lame as when i hear a person that doesn`t listen to hip hop uses it(what`s up nigga! like in that scene from the teen movie can`t hardly wait). and that person starts thinking they can use it in every situation and then uses it only to describe people that look like they`re of african descent. african americans use it to describe anyone. odhis if u claim to know that then i dont see the evidence in your post. that arsenist i encourage you in your quest for knowledge on world history.So tha arsenist`s a little bit off on his history it doesn`t mean u can change the subject and justify the use of ur uninformed vocabulary. that`s it...i said my piece
now
peace

I totally appreciate yo opinion n let tell u why I use the word nigga. As a kid listenin to rap music n watchin American movies,coz back in the day we didn't have too many african movies, thank god we do now, I would hear that word n ask my folks what's that about n they sed white peoiple call anyone not totally white, a nigger. That went for asians,africans,arabs,latinose.t.c. Then when I turned 10 they started screening Alex Hailey's ROOTS on our local channel, KTN. Having been told the story of how my greatgrandfather was sold into slavery I SAW THE CHARACTER OF KUNTA KINTE AS HIM. He waas treated like shit n called nigger but stayed strong to build a strong black nation that now uses the word to let white boy know that he can't fuck wit em no mo. Cracka is the word I have to admit I only use coz of Dead Prez. U right bout the S.A words coz I had a couple of boers call me Kaffir when I was down there a few years back. Racism is a monster we can't tame. I confess in fighting my enemy I HAVE BECOME MY ENEMY, a racist too.

Hey, dausualsuspect, Peace dude. Peace be unto you. You have shown great concern in a needy area. many such areas there are, but only one thing at a time hey? Awesome nonetheless. Such patience in evaluating such circumstances is rare. Way to go dausualsuspect. We're not able to give you your props...because you earned them. Truth in light of what it is crushed to the Earth shall yet rise again. Keep it up, don't let anyone sway your objective thinking, it's difficult to remain poised and impartial, but the results of such are as you have just demonstrated. Be not swayed for there will be those that will surely try to rouse you to anger and diminish your rationality. Just remember, it is their anger and passion that send them towards you with such malicious thoughts. Peace.

Odhis, dude, what are you like 10-ft tall (no offense)? We ask because it's takes a BIG person to acknowledge an error and to resume their corrected course. To err is human, to forgive is divine. Most people are so small, that it would have consumed all of their being, which is usually haughty pride, to recant an error unto their correction. Maintain Odhis, you've lost nothing, but have gained understanding as well as having given us understanding. That's what hip hop is supposed to do.

Everything started in Africa, since Pangea when all the continents were one big landmass. All are from Africa, but some are in denial like about having to smoke EVERYDAY, yet they'll tell you, they don't have a habit. A habit is something you do everyday or all the time to the point that you do it unconsciously without taking note of when you began or when it will end or taper off to being don.

With all the diamonds that come from Africa and the obsession with "Ice" it's quite strange that that a lot of folks dissociate themselves from the continent whose wealth of natural resources supplied the world in it's youth and still supplies the majority of the world's needs today.

Hate is like a fire that has to be fed externally from outside of itself. Outside of itself because hate aspires to differentiate enough to be a separate entity, and it spews horrendous words with the intent to provoke a fueling response with which to increase it's borders of separation.

Love on the otherhand grows within itself because it needs not look outside of itself to be motivated to further love, if it did, that would be vain desire with the potential to develop into lust, which is to Love a thing that WILL NOT Love you back. Everything CAN Love you back, but everything WILL NOT ALWAYS Love you back. LOVE loves because it WILL Love from within itself to outside of itself.

Hate is a former love whose love from within has been directed totally outside of itself. For some reason (HATE yet to be) it feels that it should receive more Love than it is actually receiving even though it is EQUALLY loved, if not more than everything outside of itself, by LOVE that Loves ALL things.

After having become addicted to such great amounts of love, the slightest .0000000000000000000000001% fluctuation in the Love can cause jealousy to develop into HATE. HATE then retracts its Love not ever Loving itself as it was Loved by LOVE, and Loving outside of itself ONLY on the condition that it provokes the Love for all outside of itself to be directed at IT (HATE) only.

Hey too much of anything makes can become addictive in the subtlest of ways. Well Odhis, we can only imagine that only a response as negating as the one hurled at you would have satisfies those who let the slanderous word depart from their lips. When you don't respond to the slander with slander, your slanderers are wrong by default.

Patience is victorious, it means you have withstood the test of time and earned time's respect. Peace be unto you Ohdis. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

Peace to Yaknow. I feel that! As we say it in swahili, "Amani kwako. Ni kweli uliyoyasema" i.e "Peace to u. Its true what u sed."

I'M BACK COZ I GOTTA QUOTE MOS DEF, "SPEECH BE MY HAMMER BANG THE WORLD INTO SHAPE NOW LET IT FALL, RA!"
That's the power of speech, n that's why I feel jigga on that track, Dear Summer. PAMOJA!

so anyway
odhis if everyone in this world had the same tought process as you people would be holding hands like a john lennon vision. my knowledge of swahili is limited to song clips in the lion king, but nonetheless i wish u and everyone else well. i`ve often believed that some people are incapable of rational thought or listening(girls that go out with `people` that take advantage of them, ppl that vote for republicans, soccer haters) but odhis you`ve severely shook up this theory.
Yaknow i enjoyed your post and i found myself understanding each word of it. with each word plenty of realism and heartfelt emotion. although hating is always the easier option, loving ourselves and equally important each other is something i at least hope to c more of in my life at a time when u c less love each and everyday. it`s the reason i and i`m hoping the rest of a lot people have been drawn to hip hop and why i like to distinguish the culture from da b.s. there was a time when hip hop was on the right track, but it was derailed by the divide and conquer conspirical usual suspects(not me). Not I, but a collection of mythical american and world figures(the man, illuminati, high ranking govermental agencies, Disney). their work is to make inspiring hip hop a historical relic and with each passing month they r winning. what we need is peace and acceptance of what we r.

peace.

It's funny to me when they say Nas contradicts himself. It's not like he went from dancing with Ginuine to Made You Look back to doing a song with Puffy! Biggie and Jay-Z's albums even to this day can't compare to Illmatic. Well most albums can't we know for certain that Doggystyle can't. I'm speaking from a Hip-Hop perspective not RAP. Rakim's Paid In Full, Raekwon's Only Built For Cuban Linx, A Tribe Called Quest Midnight Mauraders, Main Source Breaking Atoms, Ice Cube's Amerikka'S Most Wanted, Outkast Atliens, Tupac even though he was lost with Deathrow, KRS-1,etc. Man it's so many that the real Heads can identify with. I thank these wonderful M.C.'s for their talent, creativity, and wisdom. Oh and BE is a classic!

The rappers for right now are Kayne Common Talib Kwali ludacris Eminem .

One Love to YaKnow, BlazeMcHerbs ,and my man Capital P! It amazes me when I hear how fake Nas is. At least he doesn't bite other artist's material. Jay-Z is the greastest? No Sir not in this lifetime! Rakim is that one! I guess in order to be the greatest you have to have more record sales, a clothing business, and a fine lady on your side. This can't be Hip-Hop. If Jays so great then why bite Nas and the other M.C.'S. That is so lame to say that Jay is the man for sleeping with his baby mother! How would Hip-Hop sound if we had no messages that was positive for the kids? Would they drop out of school because all they see is the naked women, the expensive cars and the jewelry? Life is more than that and 85% of my people are lost. How can people say that Nas didn't sell drugs., like they knew him personally. If Jay was to come out of retirement., I believe that he'll be more focus on politics then the glitz and glamour! The only reason why we don't see Talib Kweli, Common, and Mos Def is because White Amerikka doesn't want to hear them.,they want to hear 50 because of his fake thug image, they want to hear Nelly because of his sing and dancing to songs with Country stars. BET is not even owned by a Black man anymore. Tavis Smiley is not there anymore! That was Our only outlet. Peace to the Freedom Fighters, 5 percenters, Islaamic Hebrews, and the Nation of Islam! One Love! Free Assata Shakur! Black Power to the Original People on Planet Earth! Peace To Man, Woman, and Child!

WHY DOES HIP HOP HAVE TO BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN OTHER GENRES OF MUSIC? IS MOTLEY CRUE AND MARILYN MANSON HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY STUPID THING A WHITE PERSON DOES? OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE IT'S JUST MUSIC. HIP HOP IS LIKE ANY OTHER MUSIC AND DESIGNED TO MAKE YOU HAVE A GOOD TIME. NOT ALL MUSIC HAS TO BE UPLIFTING IN ORDER TO MAKE AN IMPACT. A PRIME EXAMPLE IS ICE-T AND BODY COUNT'S "COP KILLER". I DON'T HAVE LOVE FOR THE POLICE, BUT I AIN'T ABOUT TO GO OUT AND KILL ANY EITHER. A SONG LIKE THAT FORCED THE WHOLE COUNTRY TO RECOGNIZE THE FUCKED UP SITUATION GOING ON IN LOS ANGELES. THEY WERE GETTING KILLED BY GANG VIOLENCE AND POLICE VIOLENCE. L.A. IS A DIFFWERENT PLACE TODAY, NOT TO SAY IT'S ALL GRAVY NOW, BUT IT'S BEEN MAJORLY IMPROVED COMPARED TO THE EARLY 90'S. GROUPS LIKE THE BLACK EYED PEAS, DILATED PEOPLES, JURASSIC 5, AND HEIROGLYPHICS WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST BECAUSE EVERBODY OVER THERE WOULD STILL BE MAD AS FUCK. THAT IS NO LONGER THE CASE. DR. DRE IS ARGUABLY THE MOST POWERFUL AND INFLUENTIAL MAN IN MUSIC TODAY. DRE COULD MAKE ANY LABEL SUCCESSFUL LIKE INTERSCOPE. HE COULD GO FUCK WITH LYOR COHEN AND WARNER BROS. OR L.A. REID AT ISLAND DEF JAM AND GUARANTEED THEY WOULD BLOW UP LIKE INTERSCOPE. IF PEOPLE STOPPED MAKING RECORDS ABOUT HOW SHITTY THE GHETTO IS, THEN PEOPLE WOULD START THINKING EVERYTHING'S OK. CRACK IS NO LONGER AN EPIDEMIC ON THE EAST OR WEST COASTS, LIKE IT WAS IN THE LATE 80'S EARLY 90'S. THAT ISN'T THE CASE IN PLACES LIKE THE CAROLINAS, NEW ORLEANS, ARKANSAS, TENNESSEE, OR THE OTHER SOUTHERN AND RURAL STATES. CRYSTAL METH IS A HUGE PROBLEM TOO. RAPPERS FROM THOSE STATES NEED TO MAKE RECORDS ABOUT IT AND MAYBE SOMETHING WILL GET DONE ABOUT IT.

Hip-Hop is not suppose to be like any other music. It's the language of the underground railroad. It's suppose to have a message for the Urban children of Amerikkka. It's not always about glitz and glamour. Tupac became a force in Hip-Hop because of his political views until Deathrow came calling. Why should we lower our standards of Hip-Hop? R&B music of today is not appealing to me as it was when Luther, Anita, Chaka, Sade, Marvin Gaye,etc were out. Ciara, Ashanti, and a few others can't sing. Jill Scott, Mariah, Kindred, well it's not many but they can sing. Hip-Hop needs to go back to the esssence, the Originality, the Creativity because this so called Hip-Hop of today is trash. A lot of these artists get by with production. A lot of people don't listen to what the artist is saying.,as long as the production is tight they think that the artist is right! I don't want to hear about a fashion show, or about how many cars the artist has, or how many women they slept with, or how many times they been shot. Bring Lyrics to the table! We got people who think that Paul Wall is ill! Respiration by Mos, Talib and Common had me thinking like man they are really tearing down the projects so the Whites can move back to the city! Most colleges and churches are not serviceable when it comes to political views that affects my people within the communties. Because of Hip-Hop.,I stop eating that rat, cat,and dog. Because of Hip-Hop.,I can start supporting My people by shopping in their stores and not the foreigners because a dollar spent in my community circulates one time and in the jewish community it circulates I believe nine times. They use our music to destroy us by having liguor, and cigarette ads in our communities. Artists needs to wake up.,it's not always about the money. We're not suppose to be Jigaboos in our own music that we created! Fuck being a pimp and all of that other b.s. We need to start thinking like Kings and Queens. Their always going to be a crack epidemic as long as the CIA and the Government is getting paid while putting Blacks/Latins to jail. If any one feels that I have the SLAVE MENTALITY needs to look in the mirror and laugh at themselves. I'm dropping Science like all of my other posts! One Love!

I'LL GIVE YOU PROPS FOR THAT LAST POST BECAUSE YOU CONVEYED YOUR POINT WITHOUT GETTING ALL RACIST AND SHIT. YOU NEED TO WORK ON THEM SUBLIMINAL JABS AT ME THOUGH. YOU SHOULD SUPPORT MINORITY OWNED BUSINESSES, AND NOT JUST BARBER SHOPS AND RIM STORES, BUT ALSO RETAIL AND GROCERY STORES TOO. I FEEL YOU, IF I LOOK OUT THE WINDOW OF MY APARTMENT I SEE A BILLBOARD FOR SKYY VODKA. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU APPRECIATE MUSIC OTHER THAN HIP HOP. I LOVE MARIAH AND SADE, YOU FORGOT MARY J. THOUGH. THERE'S STILL ARTISTS AROUND LIKE THE ONES YOU MENTIONED, BUT THERE ARE DIFFERENT SIDES TO HIP HOP LIKE ROCK. GANGSTA RAP IS SIMILAR TO HEAVY METAL, JUST LIKE CRUNK IS SIMILAR TO PUNK. THERE'S SOMETHING IN HIP HOP FOR EVERYBODY, WHICH SHOULD MAKE YOU PROUD THAT THIS MUSIC HAS GROWN TO THE POINT THAT IT IS POSSIBLE. IF YOU LIKE POLITICS THEN LISTEN TO PUBLIC ENEMY, IF YOU LIKE TO SMOKE WEED LISTEN TO CYPRESS HILL, IF YOU LIKE PARTY RECORDS LISTEN TO NELLY, AND IF YOU LIKE A LITTLE OF ALL THOSE THINGS THEN A WELL ROUNDED ARTISTS LIKE JAY-Z IS FOR YOU.

Lewis, Peace be unto you dude. You are absolutely right. The music we call Hip Hop is NOT supposed to be like the other types of music out there. The same people who want to dilute Hip Hop, want it to be soap opera style, sensational magazine, Teen-zine material.

Those people want to be fiery about the beefs and the so called cliques and units, simply because they have nothing else redeeming with which to affiliate themselves with. The worst part is that when they finally are allowed access to the music via the decline and deterioration of the music, they have no desire to build it back up. They are arsonists like THA ARSINIST, that like to see the music go up or down in flames, and they could care less after its gone. Those arsonists would just sooner listen to alternative rock or whatever, because they never NEEDED Hip Hop like the people that created Hip Hop NEEDED it.

It's quite sick really when these same people get upset about the passion that we have for the integrity of the music, but as soon as they are exposed for the hapless, haphazard, "who's the best Nelly or 50-Cent" type conversationalist people that they are, THEN they get all bent out of shape. These people have an agenda, THA ARSINIST included, yet what's worst is that they aren't even conscious of their agenda. That's why they want Hip Hop to remain without cause and focus, because they don't even want to be exposed to themselves for who they are, especially not when they've found a nice HOLE (Rap) to fit in.

A nice hole have they found in rap that is presently a decaying lump of residually collecting filth that they can attach themselves to seemingly concerned, yet really they are just happy that they have Morale-less ambassadors of rappers with which they can identify with in the perpetuation of what they too know is wrong. A simple case of Rap becoming a home for people that simply do not give a d*mn anymore about anyone less fortunate than they and so they use rap as cover. Much like the characters in the R.Kelly song, "Trapped In The Closet".

With murderous thoughts and killing glorified at its worst, living without morals to say the least is the norm. Don't get it twisted, it's better to monogamously stand for something than to fall and die for capricious nothing. A new breed of cold-hearted, conscience-less, "thugs needing hugs" have discovered a fadded formula for rap that is easily assimilated placing them alongside many deaf, dumb, and blind whom they would like to take cover behind should they be exposed for their true apathy for Hip Hop.

They Hip Hop apathetic ones desire to see Hip Hop become what Rock'n'Roll became after it slipped from the grasp of its pioneers like Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, Muddy Waters, Little Richard (who was very open about his demeanor versus the thugs that act like the character Toothpick from the Wayans' Brothers Movie, Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Sippin' Your Juice In The Hood") and others too many to mention.

That movie in late 1995, early 1996 was supposed to be a spoof of "Menace II Society", Yet in all of it's alterations, it is found to have been quite prophetic in its revelations of what happens when the people of a Culture and Music stop taking things serious. THA ARSINIST doesn't see the necessity of Hip Hop's News-bearing role because he as many others have no idea of what it's like to walk in the flesh of the sun-kissed as Homer describes a people who Zeus visited west of Greece relatively speaking. Don't get it twisted, like Rakim said, "It ain't where you from it's where you at".

THA ARSINIST in so many words is like saying to take the medicine out of the SUCRETS throat lozenges so it can be just candy. Its as if THA ARSINIST wants rap to be a flashlight with no batteries that he can use to hit people in the head with without seeing the actual damage that he's done after the fact if not for Raps early relevance to societal improvement on some level, it (rap) would surely not be around for him and the likes to enjoy as they do today, albeit water-down, but still around.

Like Heavy D said on "Mood For Love" on the "Big Tyme" album, "If Love was a thing that money could not buy,

The rich would not live and see the poor would not die,

and you could....spit in the sky,
and it would....fall in your eye,
and you would....not miss your water 'til your....well run dry"

Such is the pending predicament with Hip Hop lest Jay-Z see fit to have nought to lose after having since accomplished Goals of Goals and use his clout to manipulate those who have yet to have their "Moment Of Clarity" to the RIGHT side of the dancefloor like Missy. Until then "Thank God for granting us this moment of clarity"....

Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace.PEACE.

WHAT KIND OF BULLSHIT ARE YOU TALKING NOW BITCH? DON'T TELL ME WHAT I THINK IS HIP HOP OR THAT I'M "MORALE-LESS", THAT'S NOT EVEN A WORD YOU FUCKING IDIOT. THE WORD IS IMMORAL, BUY A DICTIONARY. YAKNOW YOU'RE GONNA FRONT LIKE YOU'RE BLACK NOW? WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE "CAPISCE" STUFF. YOU KNOW YOUR ASS IS 100% WHITE I'M ONLY HALF (50%), DON'T LECTURE ME ABOUT THAT "SUNKISSED MAN" BULLSHIT. I LOVE HIP HOP ALL SIDES OF IT. I HAVE EVERYTHING FROM COMMON'S BE TO JAY-Z'S BLACK ALBUM TO LIL JON'S CRUNK LUICE. DOES THAT MAKE ME A BAD PERSON? I HATE HOLIER THAN THOU BITCHES LIKE YOU WHO HAVE A FUCKING SUPERIORITY COMPLEX. HOW CAN ANYBODY AGREE WITH YOU WHEN WE DON'T KNOW A THING ABOUT YOU LIKE WHERE YOU'RE FROM. IS THERE STILL MORE THAN ONE OF YOU FAGGOTS COLLABORATINBG ON WRITING THEM LONG ASS POSTS? IF THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON POSTING AS YAKNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU TWO DISAGREE? DON'T TELL ME YOU AGREE ON EVERY FUCKING ASPECT OF THE RAP GAME, THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT MORALS. WHERE WAS SUGAR HILL GANG'S MORALS? WHERE WAS RUN-D.M.C.'S MORALS? DON'T TELL ME YOU HATE ON THEM OR HIP HOP WOULDN'T EVEN EXIST AS A MAINSTREAM ARTFORM TODAY. I CARE MORE ABOUT THIS MUSIC THAN YOUR BITCH ASS. HIP HOP WILL SURVIVE. MAYBE NOT THE WAY YOU OR LEWIS WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT CONTINUE, BUT DON'T HOLD IT AGAINST THE REST OF US WHO STILL ENJOY IT. JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T FEEL THE NEW SHIT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ANY LESS HIP HOP. I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CAN'T LET THEMSELVES HAVE ANY FUN.

P.S. THE CHRONIC AND DOGGYSTYLE ARE STILL BETTER THAN ILLMATIC.

Im what lifetime The Chronic and Doggystyle is better than Illmatic! Those C.D's have NO substance just some ill production. N.Y. State of Mind and One Love is better than any of the songs from Dre and Snoop! Plese where are the real Heads at! I live in Northern Cali around the time The Chronic came and I was that was a dope album. I didn't know what to make of this new cat called Nas because I never knew who he was. It was only a few people that actually listen to M.C.'s from the East. Jeru Da Damaja pretty much diss the West with the East Is In The House. People out West couldn't relate to Nas because they were more in tune with the wild parties, the women, and the gangsta image. Don't get me wrong.,there's some real Heads in Cali but the majority is not.I Used To Love Her when that song came out Ice Cube and his homies reponded with Slaughterhouse and Common came back and ate them up. You see Common is a M.C. and the Westside Connection are not. Nas is a M.C. Snoop and Dre are not. Mary J can't sing man in what World! That's a slap in the face to real singers such as Patti Labelle, Teena Marie, Anita, Angela Winbush, Chaka, Gladys Knight, Jill Scott, Phylis Hyman, just to name a few. The 80's and 90's was the era of true Hip-Hop.

WHATEVER THAT'S YOUR OPINION LEWIS, BUT STOP SAYING NEW HIP HOP IS GARBAGE. YOU SAID "People out West couldn't relate to Nas because they were more in tune with the wild parties, the women, and the gangsta image." AND YOU WEREN'T? YOU'RE AN ADMITTED GANG BANGER AND I THOUGHT YOU WERE FROM CHICAGO? I LIVE IN MILWAUKEE WHICH IS BASICALLY JUST CHICAGO JR. THE MENTALITY OF THE MIDWEST MORE CLOSELY MATCHES THAT OF THE WEST AND THE SOUTH. COMMON DISSED CUBE WITH "THE BITCH IN YOO", BUT 90% OF RAP LISTENERS AIN'T NEVER HEARD THAT SONG. CUBE BLOWS COMMON AWAY ANY DAY. THE BEST REVENGE IS TO BECOME HUGELY SUCCESSFUL, LIKE CUBE DID. COMMON IS DOPE, BUT HE HAD TO SIGN TO KANYE. COMMON'S BEEN IN THE GAME LONG ENOUGH THAT HE SHOULDA BEEN SIGNING KANYE, BUT HIS ALBUMS ALWAYS FLOP. IF YOU DON'T THINK MARY CAN SING, YOU GOT AN EAR INFUCKTION OR SOMETHING. MARY'S THE BLUEPRINT FOR MODERN R&B. SHE'S TORE DOWN JOINTS WITH BIGGIE, JAY-Z, NAS, DMX, METHOD MAN, GHOSTFACE KILLAH, AND MORE. I APPROACH MUSIC FROM A PRODUCER'S STANDPOINT, AFTER ALL THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO SCHOOL FOR IS MUSIC COMPOSITION. THAT'S WHY REAL MCS DON'T SELL UNITS IS BECAUSED THEIR BEATS ARE GARBAGE. WHEN NAS STOPPED FUCKING WITH DJ PREMIER, PETE ROCK, HAVOC, AND THE TRACK MASTERS IS WHEN HIS SOUND WENT TO HELL AND HE LOST THE FANS' EARS. YOU TALK ALL THIS SHIT ABOUT REAL MCS, BUT NEVER MENTION KEITH MURRAY. MURRAY IS ONE OF THE MOST LYRICAL RAPPERS EVER, BUT ERICK SERMON'S BEATS ARE GARBAGE. CANIBUS BLEW UP ON MIXTAPES IN 97, 98 BUT WYCLEF PRODUCED A GARBAGE ALBUM. BEATS ARE AS IMPORTANT AS THE RHYMES IN GETTING PEOPLE TO TAKE NOTICE. YOUR FAVORITE RAKIM COULD HAVE SOLIDIDFIED HIS RIGHTFUL PLACE IN HIP HOP HISTORY IF HE HAD STAYED ON AFTERMATH AND LET DRE, TIMBALAND, AND DJ PREMIER PRODUCE HIS ALBUM LIKE DRE WANTED.

Rakim doesn't need Dre! If he did then Rakim would never have existed. I used to live in Cali because my father was in the Navy. I'm from the Southside of Chicago in the Wild 100's. Just because a person's production is tight doesn't mean that they can sing. The R&B artists that I mentioned earlier are a lot further when it comes to singing. You can't compare Mary J to Jill Scott. If you think so then that goes to show you that you don't know nothing about Black music. Don't get me wrong I listened to Snoop and Dre back then but they weren't on my heavy rotation list like Nas, Wu-Tang, Jeru Da Damaja, Diggin In The Crates, Gangstarr,and A Tribe Called Quest oh and Tupac's Strictly For My N*ggas! Keith Murray was definitely nice I just forgot about him! Real Heads knew about that song when Common dissed Cube. He even dissed Cube in L.A. and that's when the Minister Farrakhan set up a peace treaty between them. So I guess Common is nothing unless he's with Kanye? Do you really listen to HIP-HOP? Have you even listened to Blackstarr's album? Just because Common hasn't sold out doesn't mean that he's not a success! Why should he sell-out to the masses? He doesn't need to sell an image. If Black people would have more control over OUR music then you would hear more from Common, Mos and Talib. White Amerikka wants to exploit the negative aspects of Black/Latin people. That's why we have the 50's, the Nelly's and the Lil John's in Rap music. Hip-hop is suppose to be held to a High standard because it's The Creator music for the urban youth. We don't send hope to the children by saying this is what I got by selling this. How come we have so many churches, liquor stores, and drugs in the urban communities. That's how the government gets paid and keep us from succeeding. Everything that the Blackman creative the Whiteman has taken it or BLEACHED it. I don't want to dance all of the time and stay ignorant because as The Original Poeople we already have a strike against us.

lewis ur wasting your time debating with that fool. he sounds like hip hops bill oreily. for him to make a statement regarding rakim should show u he dont know shit about real hip hop. yes the producer is a very important part of the game, but to say that rakim needed dre to blow is ridiculous. if u listen to RAKIMS joints from back in the days he assaulted every beat he touched. the beat could of been hot but rakim smashed the beat like no other rapper after him did. arsonist lock your self in a room and let the god rakim bless u.

Arsinist come on man I'm Old Skool so of course I'm going to listen to other music that My People created! I listen to Jazz, Old Skool House, Old Skool R&B, well just about anything but I can't get into country, heavy metal, and gospel.

I NEVER SAID I LIKE HEAVY METAL OR COUNTRY DID I? I COMPARED THE ENERGY AND ANGER OF METAL TO GANGSTA RAP. I RESPECT HERBIE HANCOCK, MILES DAVIS, JIMI HENDRIX, ISAAC HAYES, B.B. KING, BOB MARLEY, ISLEY BROTHERS, BOBBIE BLUE BLAND, AND LOTS OF OTHER PERFORMERS IN ALL STYLES OF BLACK MUSIC. EVEN THOUGH CARLOS SANTANA IS MEXIACN I CONSIDER HIS MUSIC BLACK AS WELL. I HOPE YOU WEREN'T IMPLYING THAT COMMON WAS IN BLACKSTAR. BLACKSTAR WAS TALIB KWELI AND MOS DEF AS THE MCS WITH HI-TEK SUPPLYING THE PRODUCTION. THAT ALBUM WAS HOT BECAUSE OF HI-TEK. MOS DEF'S BLACK ON BOTH SIDES WAS WACK, BUT TALIB'S QUALITY WAS BANGIN' BECAUSE IT HAD HOT PRODUCTION. YOU KEEP PLACING GROUPS LIKE WU-TANG AND D.I.T.C. WITH GROUPS LIKE A TRIBE CALLED QUEST AND GANG STARR. JUST BECAUSE THE WU AND D.I.T.C. HAD A GRIMY SOUND DOESN'T MEAN THEIR MUSIC WAS FULL OF POSITIVE MESSAGES. REMEMBER "C.R.E.A.M." THAT'S AS MATERIALISTIC AS YOU CAN GET. IF BIGGIE MADE THAT SONG YOU WOULD PROBABLY DISS IT. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU THINK PRE-DEATH ROW PAC WAS BETTER. ME AGAINST THE WORLD WAS GREAT, SO WAS STRICLY FOR MY N.I.G.G.A.Z. BUT ALL EYEZ ON ME WAS HIS GREATEST WORK EVER. YOU GOTTA JUDGE PEOPLE BY THEIR ACTIONS. PAC'S MUSIC WAS MORE GANGSTAFIED IN HIS LATER YEARS, BUT HE WAS DOING MORE POLITICALLY. PAC WAS MEETING WITH LEADERS LIKE JESSE JACKSON AND AL SHARPTON TO FORM A NEW POLITICAL PARTY. ALL THOSE CONSPIRACY NUTS MIGHT BE ON TO SOMETHING WHEN THEY CLAIM THE GOVERNMENT KILLED PAC. IT WAS GONNA BE CALLED THE "BLACK PARTY" AND WOULD HAVE SHOOK THINGS UP. CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE AT THE TIME AND HIM AND THE DEMOCRATS WOULD HAVE BEEN HURT THE MOST BY A "BLACK PARTY" BECAUSE IT WOULD HAVE UNITED BLACKS, LATINOS, AND WHITE HIP HOP FANS WHO EITHER NEVER VOTE OR VOTE DEMOCRAT. ANYWAYS I'M GETTING OFF SUBJECT, BUT I GUARANTEE 50 AND JAY-Z WILL HELP MORE PEOPLE WITH THEIR IMPRESSIVE CLOUT THAN ANY CONSCIOUS RAPPER EVER COULD.

I'M BACK AGAIN TO SAY R.I.P. TO LUTHER VANDROSS I JUST HEARD HE PASSED AWAY. THAT WAS A TALENTED BROTHER.

True indeed Luther was the best male singer I ever heard others would say Marvin Gaye and rightfully so. You honestly believe that Black on Both Sides was wack just to show you that you don't know Hip-Hop. So I guess when Paul Wall's album drop you're going to pick it up! If you think that Paul Wall, and Mike Jones are Hip-Hop artists then I can say that Hip-Hop has fallen tremendously .I have nothing but love for Biggie as a legend in a short period of time. I bought "Life After Death" I listen to all phases of Hip-Hop but not the commercial b.s. Man you must don't read because in my last post I never said that you listen to heavy metal and country I said that I don't.

THA ARSINIST dear fellow, you struggle so hard for a position as a Hip Hop enthusiast yet you fail to realize that no one keeps you out of that position but you. You play yourself out of that position because you seem to enjoy the profanity and derision more than anything else, the baser elements of Hip Hop.

You have gone on, and on, and on to say that you have this album by so an so, and you have all so and so's albums. You fail to realize that you may BUY every rap artists' album that have ever come out and will ever come out, but that does not validate your materialistic criteria for what is Hip Hop.

There are some great Hip Hop enthusiasts that own NO albums and yet they absorb the essence of Hip Hop out of appreciation for the life affirmiing message of the music. You can not BUY Hip Hop like you can buy rap albums. Hip Hop is spirited and it is the positive spirit of a collective of people enjoying the musical foundation of Hip Hop that inspires those whose hearts have been touched to move in the RIGHT direction.

Your idea of Hip Hop THA ARSINIST seems diluted enough to validate moving mindlessly in ANY direction or jumping off of a cliff...If the beat is fly. WHY? Because THA ARSINIST says the BEAT is what makes the sauce? Have you ever heard "Beyond Comprehension" by Gangstarr on their "Step In The Arena" album? That beat was illmatic and quite unlike anything heard of at the time. It's not always about making conforming, generic beats that appeal to the casual listener. That whole album is Hip Hop versus Rap. Capisce?

Once again THA ARSINIST, your incessant rambling on about artists whose music lacks inspiration for life beyond temptation warrant that you once again receive the GAS FACE. The platform upon which Hip Hop arose from the bottom on up was self-improvement and the betterment of the neighborhoods.

50-Cent started "The Massacre" (aptly titled due to the literal portrait painted throughout) by waging war on a neighborhood in which children live? Hip Hop was started as a way of instilling focus in children via their latent natural talents and appreciation for the arts and art.

You are inflamed and rash THA ARSINIST and as such your fury blinds you from reasoning. De La Soul have hardly ever pushed units enough to create the mindless momentum that prompts consumers to erringly purchase 50-Cent and Eminem to name two false-hypes. De La Soul is CLASSIC material that expanded the limits of Hip Hop conformity from limited dimensions of sex, violence, and drugs, to introspective thoughts about contemplating life beyond the 'hood.

Patience is the mark of a refined mind as well as entertaining an idea without adopting that idea.

Peace be unto you THA ARSINIST may you see Hip Hop for the betterment. Peace be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

funny stuff here...

u can say what u want jay-z is the most successful rapper and in my opinon is the greatist.

YAKNOW YOU RAMBLE ON AND ON LIKE YOU GOT A FUCKING THESAURUS SITTING IN YOUR LAP. PROFANITY IS A PART OF HIP HOP. SORRY TO DAMAGE YOUR VIRGIN EARS AND YOUR VIRGIN EVERYTHING ELSE, NO PUSSY GETTIN' MOTHERFUCKER. I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'RE JUST SOME SUBURBAN WHITE DUDE WHO THINKS HE KNOWS WHAT REAL HIP HOP IS AND THINKS IF HE LISTENS TO ENOUGH OF IT HE'LL UNDERSTAND GHETTO LIFE. YOU HAVE YET TO TELL US WHERE YOU REPRESENT. YEAH I BUY CRAZY RAP ALBUMS, SO WHAT? THAT'S WHY MY FAVORITE RAPPERS ARE MULTI-MILLIONAIRES AND YOURS ARE STILL STRUGGLING TO GET BY. HOW CAN YOU BE A HIP HOP ENTHUSIAST AND NOT OWN ANY ALBUMS? IF YOU ONLY GET WHAT YOU SEE ON MTV OR HEAR ON THE RADIO, THEN YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT HIP HOP. YOU'RE ALWAYS MAKING UP SHIT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU SAID "50-Cent started "The Massacre" (aptly titled due to the literal portrait painted throughout) by waging war on a neighborhood in which children live?" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? IT WAS AN INTRO TO HIS ALBUM, IT'S NOT REAL. IDIOTS LIKE YOU WHO CAN'T DECIPHER REALITY FROM FANTSAY ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT 50. 50 CENT IS PLAYING A CHARACTER ON WAX. RAPPING IS HIS JOB. PROVIDING HIS FANS WITH WHAT THEY WANT AND EXPECT IS WHAT WILL KEEP HIM GOING. I APPROACH HIP HOP AS MUSIC, YOU GUYS TAKE IT BEYOND THAT AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH IT. IT'S NOT NAS' OR JAY-Z'S JOB TO MAKE SURE YOU GO TO COLLEGE OR TELL YOU NOT TO SELL DRUGS. THAT'S WHAT REAL ROLE MODELS LIKE PARENTS, TEACHERS, PUBLIC SERVANTS, RELIGIOUS LEADERS, ETC. ARE FOR. A RAPPERS JOB IS TO ENTERTAIN YOU PLAIN AND SIMPLE. WHETHER THEY ACCOMPLISH IT THROUGH SHOCK VALUE AND CONTROVERSY IS NOBODY'S BUSINESS BUT THEIRS. I DON'T KNOW WHY I EVEN DEBATE YOU YOU'RE HISTORY IS UNKNOWN. I'VE PUT MY LIFE UP ON HERE TO GET MY POINT ACROSS TO HATERS LIKE YOU. WHAT'S YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHERE ARE YOU FROM? MAYBE I'LL RESPECT YOU MORE IF YOU TELL ME THAT. FOR ALL I KNOW YOU'RE SOME RICH WHITEBOY TRYING TO SCHOOL ME TO WHAT'S REALLY HOOD.

Yaknow....one question..how do u do it? Your posts are hilarious with accuracy and satire. it`s unfortunate that not everyone can see the word skill that you use. it reminds me of people that watch the simpsons and only laugh when homer hurts himself. anyway i get the impression that even people that battle you enjoy your posts.

all u fans are dickriders,
bunch of jay-z anal probe providers,
jay-z looked up to nas as an advisor,
studied his style,
cause he used to rhyme like a fushnicken
now all he talks about is gettin head from chickens,
saying that he's better than b.i.g.
if b.i.g. was alive,
jay be eating his dick,
jay's a business?
so is gay porn,
cause "truth" is already jackin off to jay in his dorm,
jay didn't win with takeover,
he just proved he's soft,
like a queer eye makeover,
stick to them von dutches jay,
u look like paris hilton,
in 5 years,
see if u could even fill a building,
u the modern day mc hammer,
except u act,
like u still use the hammer,
u ain't shooting nothing,
why keep puttin that shit in your songs,
be easy,
i'll put the thang in beyonce's thongs,
u never dumbed down your lyrics,
your just dumb,
i'mma copy your style,
and say you "dead wrong"

i hope that big dyck and the real truth are the same people because if not this rhyme is how should i say... plagiarised... just in case you two aren't the same ya bust. if you gonna hate, hate wit ya own shit, plz.

how does that jay song go, you are in violation of playa hating code...

but anyway, i just wanted to make it known that jay deserves it and not only that, but at least he not out there making dumb news to get known, like i said in a different jay coinversation. Plus he's not advertising himself, he's letting the media and people do it, all he does is leave the option open to himself. how often do you hear jay going go cop this and that if not brought up by someone else. Jay doesn't even sell himself, he let's things take its course, which is hot. he didn't pull a buy my s. carters on such and auch date on his suit like that chick for her cd on the awards last year

Peace Be unto you as well dausualsuspect. Right back at you dude. Your T.I.M.E., The Inner Mind's Eye, as Leaders Of The New School would say, has been greatly appreciated by us as well.

Yet some heated and inflamed self proclaimed pyromaniacs do not understand the gravity of some situations because they seek to undermine gravity that keeps us all down to earth. Let them tell it, they are justified in rationalizing the demise of Hip Hop for the sake of marketting and commercialism at the expense of the necessary Hip Hop that addressed the invisible people that are not seen because they are under a certain economic bracket.

While the self proclaimed pyromaniac is Hip Hopping on the overcrowded bandwagon, dausualsuspect, Lewis and the like are motioning for Hip Hop to regain its rightful status as Hip Hope. Jay-Z and others like him are deflating hope and instigating the cold-hearted people that rationalize all hope being extinguished. Call it business if you want, but Hip Hop was the crutch that got a lot of entertainers (most merely entertain and amuse and nothing is) where they are now.

Its not called Entertainment music it is Hip Hop. Hype Hope for those who were educated by Hip Hop. The Cactus album is in full effect. As well people and rap artists should be Hyping Hope. Everyone is not privy to the same circumstances required to maintain on the path to scholastic aptitude.

It's cool, it's HIP to keep your faith in better things to come. To be Hip means to be "in the know". Now things aren't "cool" anymore, they are "hot". Those "hot" things don't last long anymore, at least not as long as the "cool" stuff. Hot water loses heat faster than cool water because it has more heat to lose, just like Hip Hop has more to lose if it stays on its "Hot" path to self-destruction.

Souls Of Mischief's album "'93 'Til Infinity", now that album was and is cool, timeless like a cryogenics project. "Hot" music is like the ashes, burned out matches and funky cigarette butts from the "off the chain" (we hope you don't get rabies or any other diseases venereal included) party from Saturday night where you wake up on Sunday basking in the Sunday calm.

The same calm that is relatively chastising you like "WHY did you wake up with your condom still on and WHY is that chick YOU don't remember boning laying beside you (like on Mo' Money with the Wayans). YOU know that chick...the one you kept saying "NAW, maybe some other time" to 20 TIMES the night before, BEFORE you got drunk. Before YOU got RIPPED and TORE DOWN and decided to CUT the kitty cat of the chick that you joked earlier must have "fell out of the nest".

That is what you get messing aroung with that Crunk Drunk Trillville "Some Cut" and that "Incredible Hulk" Hypnotiq drink. Don't get us wrong Trillville's "Some Cut" is not even on the radar of some other malevolent pro-crack-slangin' motiffed melodies. If only you were rotating that Jean Grae "Don't Rush Me". Souls Of Mischief said, take your time recline and "Make Your Mind Up".

When was the last time someone made a Rap song promoting A.I.D.S. Awareness? Yeah that's right, "When was the Last Time" like the Clipse joint chorused. Thugs need hugs AND A.I.D.S. and H.I.V. Awareness. There would be no "thugz" if Tupac hadn't resurrected the Hindi term to prominence, yet even Tupac hoped for and reminisced on "Better Dayz".

People that recognize their transcending inner beauty possess the the ability to appreciate the same transcending beauty externally or outside of themselves. The heart recognizes another heart or the lack thereof and vice-versa with more negative aspects. Alas, there is bad in the better and good in the worse. There is light of the Moon in the night, and that is by the light of the Sun of the day and all benefit from the light of day. May Peace be unto us all.

KRS-one had a Kwame Toure excerpt on the Edutainment album where Kwame Toure said something to the effect of, take George Washington and surround him by the British and he would have been court-martialled for treason, take Martin Luther King Jr. and surround him by the Klu Klux Klan and he would have been lynched. Yet if you take those same people and surround them with people have the same values as they do and people who have the same ideas as they do, and the situation changes drasticly.

It is not racial issue that we wrestle with here. Even amongst people that commerce in drugs, it's not a racial issue, because on "Changes" Tupac spoke about misplaced passion and how Crack, diseases, hunger and poverty are problems of the human condition and so the issue is one of HUMANITY and overcoming the inhumane. Charismatic rappers have shown their ability to highlight even the most obscure of subjects. Why not life-saving issues? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Peace Be unto you all. We all need some Peace. PEACE.

yaknow I don't know where you came from but it seems to me like Malcolm X is here with us. I'm just fortunate to read your post. Dropping Science to ED U CATE the masses is a blessing. Parents aren't always there for their children to teach them right from wrong so we do follow music especially Hip-Hop because the church, the schools, the parents, etc don't teach the children about Hope. That's why WE have so many kids that's dropping out of school.

FUCK JAY-Z
Nas n Game some real bloods
BAY AREA RIP MAC DRE
YUKMOUTH A SAV
SPIDER LOC A G
50 IS IGHT.. BITCH, PUSSY, SNITCH ASS MOTHAFUCKA
DRE COME OUT WITH A NEW ALBUM ALREADY! IM TIRED OF SNOOP
IT SEEMS LIKE EMINEM HASNT COME OUT WITH ENOUGH SONGS.. EMINEM NEEDS SOME MORE TRACKS OUT..

Its funny how all you guys argue about these artists like you know them and you guys talk shit to protect them but yet they dont give a fuck about what you got to say...aslong as they make their money their straight.and thats the problem artist need to start giving back to their true fans that defend them through everything snitch or not..week or hot..fell off or on top.

JAY-Z IS NOT MY FAVORITE RAPPER SO IM NOT GOING TO HATE ON HIM BUT THATS TRUE ALL I HERE TO IS JAY THIS JAY THAT WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO ONE OF THE GREATEST RAPPERS ALIVE KNOWN AS MR ILL MATIC NAS MAN JAY IS NOT GOD SO STOP TREATING HIM LIKE IT WE ALL KNOW WHO'S THE BEST

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CANT SAY ITS NOT MY PLACE TO JUDGE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE END THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN JUDGE US IS GOD SO YUALL BETTER GET YOUR LIFES STRAIGHT AND STOP ALL THIS HATRED AND CURSING AND JUDGING PEOPLE IN SITUATIONS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.