More On Hip-Hop: Is It Art or Poison!!
Posted on March 16, 2007 11:24 AM
After weeks of searching the internet I finally got that CNN special on Hip-Hop: Is it Art or Poison. As you all know everybody in the Hip-Hop community has been talking about this special that aired back in February.
Enjoy,
--SOHH Gyant
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NEW YORK HIP-HOP IS ART THAT COUNTRY COON SHYT IS POISON!!!
Bring New York BAck!!!
Broooklyn STand UP!!!
1st and 2nd u punk bytches, can't wait 4 that REAL HIP-HOP, PAPOOSE, SAIGON & JAE MILLZ....EZ
STAY OFF THIS LAME AS SITE
some hip-hop is art. most of it is fake.
myspace.com/jesseasis
There is definitely a lot of poison out there, but with the recent decline in sales you will start to see the cream rise to the top once again as the money hunger hustlers start to filter out causing a decrease in the over saturation of poison. There is certainly a movement of artist that will bring the Art as well as the Truth Serum for Hip-Hop in the near future.
To name a few:
Ankh Amen Ra “The Sun Raise In Dark Dayz vol.1 hosted by P-Cutta and DJ Vlad
Available at www.mixtapekings.com and www.rebelmixtapes.com
Illanoise
Nas
Tyie Phoenix
Talib Kweli
Common
Bishop Lamont
Joell Ortiz
Immortal Tech
Saigon
Papoose
And so on!!!!!!
get tired of people putting down hip hop everybody critizize black music for degrading women it's not just us middle class blacks and whites diss us every form of black music has been insulted and not accepted by whites jazz, blues, rock, and funk has always been dogged for being music made by urban low claSS PEOPLE.
yeah rap might talk about violence, drugs, sex, and hell look at these white folks who bang their heads worshipping satan eric clapton has a song called cocaine, the doobie brothers, the beatles the world's best rock band talked about lsd and were atheists white america needs to check themselves eminem made songs about killing his wife and gettuing high get off black girls white girls are the real sluts ask paris, britney, christina, lindsay, and madonna.
anna nicole was a slut the whore of babylon hell whites and jews run the porn industry but I guess they don't degrade women hugh hefner's not a pimp he's a businessman yeah the playboy mansion is a whorehouse how dare these people degrade rap when their rock icons are just as fucked up making songs about sex, drugs, rape, murder, and satan wake up black america learn who the real killers and crack heads are these white girls are the real freaks the real bitches they fuck any black man with a pair of pants these days ask madonna with her bisexual ass britney deserves to be in rehab and these nasty white girls on girls gone wild are plain sick cnn and fox news should make reports on how sick and perverted this is.
LOL bring NY back...man it didn't go nowhere!If it did it would be wipe out you Fuckery!But that Mims dude killed NY with that one,that shit is garbage!Complain to Mims.Stop pointing the blame its everybody fault,shit get over it and move on,this topic is stupid.Everything now is corporate rap.
XBK/King of NY
That comment was very stupid & closeminded...
1st and 2nd u punk bytches, can't wait 4 that REAL HIP-HOP, PAPOOSE, SAIGON & JAE MILLZ....EZ
^^^
m sure you will be one of the only ones who buys the album. LOL @ yall lames name dropping them cats.. Saigon, Papoose, and Jae Millz for the past 3 years saying the same shit" Bring New York Back". That shit is old, come up with something else. NYC hip hop is in a urn sitting next to Biggie on the fireplace. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
Fuck CNN
Sherance-- ur talking some REAL ISH! COSIGN!
we always talk about what killed hip hop, its US buying into this AMERICAN CULTURE that killed it! Us being so AMERICANIZED is killing our ENTIRE CULTURE. AMERICAN CULTURE is decadent, EXTREMELY VIOLENT & greedy. Their kids have sex like crazy, pop any pill they can find, & they nitpick us! AMERICA is responsible for some of the WORST VIOLENCE (i.e. the wild west, i mean the words 2 the STAR SPANGLED BANNER IS VIOLENT AS F*CK) & its relatively a new country (although the natives were here)Sometimes i think we forget how BRUTAL AMERICAN SLAVERY really was. If only we could gain our own sense of values of community back we'd be good. Have u ever seen the benefits that native Hawaiians get? Damn.. im about 2 get caught up on my reparations ish..let me stop!
Why dont artist accept some responsibility for the culture being affected by their music? LISTEN to your favorite artist...is he droppin any knowledge for the youth? Nas wanted to go to every station and kill the dj (that version was banned)...Jay wants the lil mamas to show'em what they got....50 is hip hops anti christ in the sense that white america has propped him up as the face of rap music! Fuck outta here. Go listen to that nigga Dbrad talk about how BET chagned to a dictatorship when Bob Johnson sold it to Viacom. This nigga makes some great points....Why is it hard to believe that the youth ARE being influenced by Jeezy...as much as I like the nigga's flow...the fact is...My 14 year old brother likes it too.
Real Talk....I love our culture...but I worry about how far we can go without diversity in the music. I played some old Tribe in the car yesterday and it felt good to hear to relive my younger days...
Florida Power and Lite
Now let me get silly!
@ the king of ny..
Dawg, the south doesnt have a monopoly on ignorant songs....Fuck nigga black music was created down here...The poison is the constant repetition of shoot...kill...dope and shit! New York niggas aint talkin about nothin else! Thats why you niggas cant sell a record outside of your own hood. I swear it kiils me to post this shit...but you niggas are a trip and I cant hold my peace!
If people stop supporting BS songs that glorify violence then hip hop would b art.
Hip-Hop is going through a phase right now. It's trying to figure out which direction to go. Most artists will come and go but the people that truly believe in Hip-Hop will keep it alive. All these trappers, rappers and huslters won't last. Thus, MC's will arise once more and these corporate labels will fall.
NEW YORK HIP-HOP IS ART THAT COUNTRY COON SHYT IS POISON!!!
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If you are a regional rap fan then you ain't really a rap fan, shit is good no matter where it comes from.
New York rap is about as dull as it has ever been right now, the radio won't play it cuz its dull!
New York rap is lifeless. There is some awful southern shit too, but hell for every shitty southern rap song, there is a fresh one right behind it.
Anyway, New York is feelin that shit too, they bumpin more southern shit than we are in the south.
Real talk.
alot of what we r talking about is DEEPLY ROOTED IN SLAVERY. America was not so willing 2 let us be free if yall can remember.
These rappers can't be themselves alot of cats can't get a deal unless they r some sort of killer/drug dealer, & then if they AREN'T on that, cats call them soft.
So since alot of rappers honestly believe u have 2 b this big KILLER to be accepted, thats only 1 of the reasons hiphop is violent.
These Record Execs got these rappers like HOUSE NEGROS & the black fan as the FIELD NEGRO.
Mostly white folks buy hip hop, but they look at it as if its a movie or something.
We do identify w/rappers & alot mimick them as FPL said.
So by living this image Record Execs force down on rappers, we spend r money on foolish jewelery, clothes, cars, etc. advancing the agenda of slavery even if its not in the physical form.
Slavery is just as much a mental state as it is a physical restraint.
Record Execs love these diss record making, juckin & jiving, stand 4 nothin but the mighty dollar rappers. But this is just an EXTENSION of the BRAINWASHING of blacks since we got here.
we hate each other w/o Cam hatin 50.
we disrepect r women w/o Jay big pimpin.
we sell out faster than puff can say we wont stop. we sell out everyday we continue w/the apathetic behavior about each other & our culture.
and that has 2 do w/us as a people, not HIP HOP.
u cant blame rap music 4 negative things happening now, there is something BIGGER here going on.
WAY BIGGER.
Rappers
don't matter where rap started ny, west coast or the south don't matter what side is banging all these rappers are making the whites who run the labels rich in the eyes of corporate america blacks are in one category and they are just to be exploited for profit.
white violence runs deep charles manson was influenced by the beatles white album to commit the libianca tate murders.
timothy mcveigh
the son of sam
ted bundy
jeffrey dahmerf
john waync gacy
gw bush
ronald reagen
the real killers I might not be a fan of modern day hip hop but it's not fair to see these dudes get dissed because a few people in high classes tghink its filthy white america wake up see who's really violent whites have currupted this planet with their sick ways look at iraq were in war right now bush have killed millions he's no better than hussein.
hip hop's not gonna die if it does something else will replace it evolution there are plenty of artists who are m aking wonderful music right now that will never be discovered I suggest my people to be openminded and check the underground rap-rock-and neosoul scene for the answers bad brains, p funk, 247 spyz, n dambi, amel lorrieax, kendra foster, nayrok, martin luther, joi , kem, kool keith, kokane, the coup, outkast too many to name I blame bet for not supporting black artists who wants to discuss other things than throwing d's, and my fat chain.
rappers are not the root of issue here. The root is us. We need 2 heal ourselves of the scars of slavery, racism, SELF HATRED, and classism.
if we disassociate w/AMERICAN CULTURE and reassociate with ours we WOULD BE KINGS.
I mean damn, we built pyramids, we used math & astronomy when whites was writin on cave walls. THATS R HISTORY.
Black inventors perfected the light bulb, the telephone, our surgeons did the first successful open heart surgies. WE ARENT STUPID. We just dont know what we r because we base r value on AMERICAN CULTURE which says u have 2 have the baddest b*tch, the biggest car, etc. That's not just hip hop, thats AMERICAN CULTURE.
it's ironic how we lust whips & chains isn't it?
************SHADY 80's BABY************
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************SHADY 80's BABY************
Classic Joint
CUTTHROATS.feat MACDRE(RIP),FATTONE(RIP) & Filthy FATTZ
www.myspace.com/filthyfattz
www.tagworld.com/filththo
S.E.B. Records /GILMO Ent.
************SHADY 80's BABY************
Classic Joint
CUTTHROATS.feat MACDRE(RIP),FATTONE(RIP) & Filthy FATTZ
www.myspace.com/filthyfattz
www.tagworld.com/filththo
S.E.B. Records /GILMO Ent.
************SHADY 80's BABY************
Classic Joint
CUTTHROATS.feat MACDRE(RIP),FATTONE(RIP) & Filthy FATTZ
www.myspace.com/filthyfattz
www.tagworld.com/filththo
S.E.B. Records /GILMO Ent.
cosign@ sherance
love the intelligent convo!
it's crazy how this BUSH ADMINSTRATION is warring w/syria & iran over giving insurgents WEAPONS when PRESCOTT BUSH(george hw bush's father) sold weapons 2 Hitler & the allies during WWII all 4 that MIGHTY DOLLAR.
& they get mad @ oj 4 being "the real killer"
lol
like u said AMERICAN CULTURE has a long long long line of KILLERS before any emcee picked up a mic.
Everytime I turn on the T.V. some monkeyfucKKKa is callin rap music "The problem with today's generation".That makes me sick as all hell.Rap music is a problem ONLY because,if I lived in a poor community(which I do) with no "positive"role model or in a single or no parent
home(which I did) and this nigga get on TV and "CLAIMS" he from the same situation but in his music video he pull up in a car that cost prolly a
million dollors and park it in front of a house bigger than a motel,step out the car wearing two million dollars in jewlery,thousand dollar jeans and a seven
hundred dollar shirt and pouring a bottle of thousand dollar liquor on a fine ass ~almost~ butt-naked super model by a G4 private jet,and claim he got it
all from the "STREET LIFE".Who think that kid gonna listen to?(Not knowing in most,if not all cases that shit is rented!!!).One of the many ways to stop this "problem",be a positive role model to that little kid who don't have a father before he grows up to rob your monkey ass.
8 ball from 8 ball & MJG was right"Niggas die tryin to live out these ol' rap lyrics".
To anybody who takes rap seriously:
Just about every rapper sell crack by the kilo,but it ain't that many junkies.
Just about every rapper is a pimp,but it ain't that many hoes on the track.
Just about every rapper is a killer,but it ain't that many homocide cases.
Either my math is fucked up,or somebody lyin' there ass off.
They been saying the samething about hiphop since it started. Hip Hop is completely art and sometimes art reflects reality. Lyrics in hiphop are no more violent or sexual than your average movie. The same problems with drugs and violence in our communities existed way before hip hop. The real poison is poverty and oppression
@Eastpoint ATL - You make legitimate points, but more so with regard to Hip-Hop and Black people, Reality reflects/imitates Art. As a few people have referenced previously in this blog, slavery in America provides a key to the puzzle. For example, when Black people faced the oppression and atrocities of slavery the history does not indicate that we were self-destructive to ourselves and disrespectful to our women. Actually, history shows that we came together and faced that oppression courageously, with the exception of the “House Niggas.” The point is, even in the face of today’s poverty and oppression the primary reason our youth and culture is so misguided is because Hip-Hop has been hijacked by the oppressors and used as the most powerful campaign they have to tell us that the only options are “Trap or Die.”
1 hunned
Belladawn, I like the way you think.
I don't believe hip hop is dead. I do believe it has tooken a turn and times have changed. Where I'm from, we don't post up in the clubs, we get CRUNK and we need music to help us do that. There's a time and place for everything and right now some can careless about some damn lyrics unless its getting put to a throwed beat(LIL WAYNE). N-E ways Hip Hop is not dead, It lives in the SOUTH!
www.myspace.com/thislburna
Only 4 word come to mind, get a f*cken life.
1. See hiphop/rap got big enouph for CNN 2 give a f*ck.
2. You have the right to licen,if u want.
3. Old folks need to under stand that there parents felt the same way about the music they were ballen2.
4. Past history, its been done befor.
5.Why R U still reading this. Change the f*UCK3N SUBJECT. Theres more important problems than lyrical content. PUMK B*TCH3S.
LMAO @ that country shit is poison.... true story word
@L_Burna:
I normally never go to anysite someone on a blog tells me too. I used to do it then I stopped.
WACK ASS RAPPERS LIKE YOU ARE WHY! ARE YOU FUCKIN' KIDDIN' ME?
YOUR MUSIC IS MUSHY GREEN BABY SHIT WITH CORN!
DOO-DOO!
STEAMY SHIT UNDER A MAGNIFYING GLASS IN A DESERT HEATWAVE!
IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS FUCK AND HE IS SEROIUS, PLEASE WHOOP HIS ASS IF EVER TRIES TO RAP AGAIN.
THIS IS WHY ARTIST MAKE THE BIG BUCKS, THIS SHIT CAN NOT BE DONE BY EVERYONE.
LATER, I HAVE TO GO CLEAN THE VOMIT OF MY DESK.
ASSHOLE. I WILL NEVER GP TO KNOW ONE ELSES FUCKIN SITE AGAIN.
PUKE MUSIC.
@ CURTISSSSSSSSSS
WHAT ISSUES?
HERE'S MY OWN PERSPECTIVE ON THE ISSUE. I WROTE MY OWN BLOG ON HIP-HOP: ART OR POISON?
I watched the CNN special, Hip-Hop: Is it Art or Poison? I really liked the discourse that took place in the special. I felt the panel was fairly objective & equally critical. I thought some of the statements and reactions by some people were simplistic, but this subject is rather complex. So I wanted to share my thoughts concerning the matter. Attempting to put all bias aside, and looking at the Hip-Hop culture through a critical lense....I find myself defending and interpreting Hip-Hop once again. Their are segments of society that won't understand Hip-Hop and those that don't care to. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions in this country, although with scrutiny, harassment and at times violence. I believe Hip-Hop to be an African-American subculture that reflects both the good and bad parts of American society.
Now there was a focus on provocative images on Viacom's networks, MTV & BET. And I'll admit such videos such as "Tip Drill" are not meant for kids to watch, because sex isn't meant to be sold to children. And that is what's going on with videos like that, sex sells and this is a money hungry industry that will exploit and degrade at will for profit. The "industrialization" of Hip-Hop has had negative affects on the artform, artists do feel that pressure and are apart of the marketing ploy. That's just one side of the spectrum, because we do put out such music and imagery that can be viewed as misgony and degrading but we have to also look at the certain segments of society that take part in clubbin' and going to strip clubs, and so forth. What you see in these kind of music videos isn't fiction, it exists whether you like it or not. Don't believe me? Go to the Rollex, Tootsies, Take 1 all in Miami....or got to Magic City or Body Tap, the list goes on.
And When I hear songs about hustlin': I understand the socio-economic/political position that minorities in this country are in. Alot of the artists that make the music come from nothing...economically deprived backrounds, immense poverty, broken homes, hardships, etc. So I understand the grind, illegal or legal. Whether you like it or not the grind exists and its all about survival. And a harshly punitive justice system further restricts the economic opportunities in this country for those that went through the system. Once you're convicted felon in this country, its extra hard to make it.
When I hear songs like "Fuck the Police", I understand that as well. When I hear about Sean Bell getting murdered, an elderly woman in ATL getting murdered, hip-hop police, corrupt police officers & gov't agencies are a serious problem, especially for Blacks. From Malcolm X, to the Black Wall Street, to the Black Panthers, to the Watts Riiots....I understand when somebody says fuck the police, because they been saying fuck us for years now!
Bottom Line:
Art immitates reality. There is garbage out there, just like in any industry. There is sexism, misogyny, and homophobia in our music, just like in our communities and in our country. When songs are centered around the ideals of "Ballin","Thuggin","Hustlin" & "Fuck the Police"....I understand those mentalities & circumstances because I come from that. Hip-Hop is art, and art can get ugly sometimes. But remember art immitates reality.
If a bunch of mofo's are hungry and you tell them the only way to eat is to sellout, the only way to his dreams "based on his means" is to sellout, and he will not only get to eat, reach his dreams but he will be adored and respected, idolized even a lot not all but surely most eventually will sell the fuck out. And keep selling out because it's hard to give up anything thats working for you.
That does not make us poison that makes us human! It makes us exploited!
It makes us slaves!
CNN knows it, SOHH knows it, PUFFY, RUSSEL, 50, DRE, Scott Storch, Jimmy Iodine knows it. You know it.
Nothing will change until we/them decided to that starving is better than selling out or the Industry get a conscious.
Don't hold your breath.
Hip-hop is art and poison, so is life in America.
Now go buy some Public Enemy and Dead Prez!
Posted by: BLAST4ME at March 16, 2007 9:22 PM
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DAMN! LOL straight to the point no chaser.....i would be scared of your opinion
hip hop needs 2 go and sit down because all these rappers now adays care about money,bitches,houses, drugs music is not even music anymore all u have 2 do iz take off ur clothes they should band rappers from haveing video vixions if caught with 1 or 2 rappers should be fined $10,000 they should tell also these singers if the song or video dont make since it will not be airedlike back in the days when every thing was calm i think it wouldnt be that much violence happeing it wont be safe but young people would have more respect 4 eldery's, friends would b friends, school, funtimes, than 2 be worried about if u get in a fight they have gunz that's crazy every since 2000 came it's been boring years
The Three Myths
About Homosexuality
Myth #1
Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.
The truth...
There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions.
Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.
Myth #2
Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.
The truth...
Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.
The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.
If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.
Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.
The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.
A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.
Hip-Hop is NOT HOMOPHOBIC. Hip-hop is pro-MASCULINE. Rap music is Urban-masculine-warrior-rebel music. Even the women rap in a "masculine" sense.
Rap music bashes cowardly people ( generaly bashing any type of cowardly men)
Rap is against:
Cowardly men (gays)
Bitch-ass men ( hetro punks)
Deadbeat-dads
Hoe-ass dudes ( snitches)
If you are a man and you feel that homophobic then you really need to get in further touch of what it means to be a MAN not just a Male. You must have some salty masculinty if you believe hip-hop is homophobic
brad i figured i'd see you in here throwing that 2 cents in. whaddup big homie.
to me, hip hops artistic element has been on a steady decline in quality since the late 80's and early 90's up until now. the introduction of gangsta rap allowed america to see what its always turned a blind eye too, the evils of the ghetto and what goes on in the black folks world.
white people (middle america) got forced to hear about sex, drugs , and violence from a culture that wasnt its own for the first time and they couldnt believe it. now that isnt the decline... the decline is when they turned around and started to pimp your favorite rappers and let them exploit what else... sex drugs and violence for money/.
huslters started looking at ice t, nwa, and others out on the west coast (cuz after all.. that is the birthplace of gangsta rap whether people in the blog admit it or not) and said shit if they can do it i can do it... and started rappin about what they knew. congress couldnt put a lid on it because free speech is a consitutional right. so then fast forward to today and here what we have is the consequence, glorified sin. g unit wanted to be the new nwa, game wanted to be like dre, and so on. nobody has an identity of their own and therefore nobody can break the mold. the only things that have changed are the beats.
rappers dont control shit and no matter how many jayzs or russel simmons or puffys we have in the world in positions of power... the white man will always control what we see and are influenced by because our culture is so set on getting out of the ghetto by any means, we will sacrifice our good nature and beliefs for the almighty dollar. we will even turn on each other for it. art does imitate reality... but really this shit isnt art anymore.
Posted by: BLAST4ME at March 16, 2007 10:07 PM
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i didnt see ur earlier before i typed mine but keep it 100. these people aint ready for the real talk homie.
NEW YORK HIP-HOP IS ART THAT COUNTRY COON SHYT IS POISON!!!
Bring New York BAck!!!
Broooklyn STand UP!!!
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coon shyt? you know your grandaddy is from down here, right!
anyway, we still laughin at you new york cats!
learn how to make a hit!
New York stand down!
this is why they say its poison anyway, because cats like queen of NY. if you gon' argue a point and talk down on somebody else, try to sound a lil bit more educated bruh!
we still laughin!
hip hop today obviously isnt the same anymore. one person in the forum made a good point about how its deep rooted through slavery now. the industry that is predominately causcasian are basically exploiting artists (and I use the term artist now very loosely)to portray this gangster image and they're are so blind to even notice. there is so much self hate and greed in hip hop today that the artistic aspect has vanished. thats why i think alot of people misunderstood what Nas meant about Hip Hop is Dead. Us as African Americans no longer have control over it. For something that we created to give us a voice in this world to be now ultimately dominated by these wealthy white record company execs really shows how much hip hop has been deteriorating over the years. I totally respected Nas' statement as a prevalent figure in hip hop who has had enough time, experience and insight to witness what was going wrong. Hip Hop won't die. Its just all about the dollar. Just the creativity and artistic aspect has had an early grave.
Sherance u are the TRUTH
are hip hop artist the only artist who have faced obstacles and hardships as a result of being from the "streets"? There are R&B artist who come from the same streets, lived the same type lives, sold drugs, and gone to jail yet you do not hear this reflected all through their work. No one cares about an R&B's artist label,how many units they sell, or how real they have kept it. Mary doesn't have to start beef the Beyonce's and Ciara's to sell records. Lyfe isn't beefing with Tyrese to sell records. MP3's,internet downloading, etc..has effected music as a whole, but no other genre of music is complaining as much as the hip hop community. Why? You can't fake singing and good quality music? You have to have more than a gimmick to sell. You can't fake singing..its all about the art of the music. Hip hop artist rely heavily on how hood they are. How much dope they dealt. How many beefs they have with other artist. If the lifestyle and being from the streets was so good and represents who we are, why do the majority of our hip hop artist choose to stop trapping, move out the hood to rap if it was that good and they made that much money doing it? Hip hop is not about the music anymore. I am 29 yrs. old and I consider myself to be in the median as a hip hop fan. I'm old enough to remember how it used to be yet young enough to relate to what's going on today. When I was coming up no one really knew the background of most artist. No one cared what label an artist was on or how many units they pushed. When artist had beef it was strictly about who was a better MC. White Corporate America isn't responsible for what these artist rap about. We are! We buy it. We blog out it. We disown artist for not being hood enough. If an artist doesn't fit a certain mold, we don't give it a chance. There is no variety. It isn't about the music anymore. Its about the image. We started it and only we can end it.A gun shop owner doesn't get blamed or jail time when he sells a gun to someone who goes out and kills with the gun. The shooter is responsible and goes to jail. Hip hop artist and fans are responsible for whats being put out! We are not all about selling dope, bitches, hoes, killing, etc.. We buy into it because its cool..there is nothing cool sbout killing one another
Let's face it black people are poison, they destroy everything!.
The real reason for the special is that CNN network doesnt have its fair share of African Americans watching its station anymore and this was a way to boost there rating since Fox knock them out the box. And the only poison they should be talking about is those ole racist KKK black and white films Ted Turner forced on the American population. And you notice the special aired when Ted open that resturant (want mention its location) That sells buffalo meat to garner sells, from his white counterparts.
ATL WESTSIDE ZONE1
i am scared to be a black man .. look at what we are arguing over.. go to get job and i get a frosty shoulder,, iggy niggys said that physical slavery is over,, tell that to cats watching me as i pull into my drive way wit a r
blacks are screwed for the future over and out
true hip hop is art...todays "hip hop" is half and half...popular music is not hip hop...50, young joc etc etc...how come eminem isnt being asked about all this? remember he "killed" him mom???????
Hiphop is art pointblank! but due to greater social issues its core audience has a very hard time understanding that its only entertainment. The discussion should not be about weather hiphop is poison or not but it should be about the lack of good parenting and subpar education which are the actual issues that are really poisoning our kids.
IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT GENRE OF MUSIC IT IS, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOME NEGATIVE IN IT. HIP HOP IS ALWAYS UNDER THE RADAR BECAUSE ITS THE MOST POPULAR FORM OF MUSIC, AND A LOT OF WHITES ARE MAD BECUZ RAP MUSIC IS DESTROYING THEIR SUBURBAN KIDS. BUT EITHER WAY, THE GAME ISN'T GONNA CHANGE. IF ANYTHING, VULGFAR RAP MUSIC WILL BE BANNED FROM TELEVISION SOON AND WILL EVENTUALLY FADE TO BLACK. LETS BE REAL, HIP HOP TODAY WILL NOT BE AROUND TOO MUCH LONGER BECAUSE THE FAN BASE IS QUICKLY DECREASE
Hmm....did Gyant get fired?
Hmm....did Gyant get fired?
Posted by: hMM at March 19, 2007 10:26 AM
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I hope so
I mean man...Im not even from the "A" and I see why they get mad at you...talk about something going on around ur way....not jus hiphop in general...I'm pretty sure they have someone to discuss that....
I mean man...Im not even from the "A" and I see why they get mad at you...talk about something going on around ur way....not jus hiphop in general...I'm pretty sure they have someone to discuss that....
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Yeah, it's called www.sohh.com. Please tell him again.
I mean man...Im not even from the "A" and I see why they get mad at you...talk about something going on around ur way....not jus hiphop in general...I'm pretty sure they have someone to discuss that....
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Yeah, it's called www.sohh.com. Please tell him again.
This just in, GYANT was fired because of the White Nigga Movement Cats! Maybe now they can get a real ATL-representor on here. 1 hunned.
-Herbz
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK NEW YORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ThAT's why Hiphop is DEAD!!!
You muthafucka hate everything!!!
NEW YORK AIn't NEVER COMIN' BACK!!!!!
IT's OVER, Ya'll a bunch hatin' muthafuckas!!!!!
Anybody get hot up there ya'll hate on them.....so fuck new york!!!!!!
THE SOUTH AIN't NEVER GIVING THIS SHIT BACK!!!!!!!!
HOW YOU LOVE THAT!!!!!!
SISSy!!!
LMFAO!
What a great post Gyant. Proved every point I made.
LOL @ Gyant
You the lamest blogger on the internets. You post a buncha vids of that old ass same old argument thats been poppin for 3 weeks and call it a post??
LMFAO!
SOHH LOST!
H-Town ghostrider:
And you guys like eveything thats comes out from the south, just as long as its southern, niggas kissing each other, greasy ass niggas rappin, it dont matter, ya'll niggas is so thirsty for fame you'd support a rapping cowboy as long as his spurs had 24's on them!
And writing fuck new york makes you look and sound like the fuckin hater, all you southern niggas cryin about NYC evey chance you get like niggas snatched your candy or some shit.
Nigga I dont own 1 street in NYC so I aint your problem, niggas stay actin like ya'll niggas come up took so long cause of me or something. lol.
Its like, just come on out and say fuck new york for the world to hear then? Niggas is so tough, set it.
Make NYC respect you, dubbs and strippers aint enough chump.
and you wouldnt do shit anyway BUT get online & write about it to an imaginary opponent. Thats all ya'll niggas is doin nowadays, running to the internet cryin about NYC on someones blog.
Fuckin coward.
Fuck New York
Your the coward that has to hide and say that shit...
somebody mentioned the word IMAGERY. i recently boosted my swag by going shopping. heres what i bought.
1. oversized fitted hat.....check
2. oversized sun glasses........check
3. grill (optional).............check
4. chain.........................check
5. medallion.....................check
6. black t-white t-..............check
7. baggy jeans...................check
8. jordans-af1's-timbs...........check
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I "LOOK" a certain way. and now that i "LOOK" a certain way i have to "ACT" a certain way. so my image is that of a "COSTUME". im sorta like my own SUPERHERO. i am my own ALTER EGO. and im capable of doing anything at anytime because im actually a character sorta like in a movie but this is my real life. so every move i make from now on will have to be a "COOL" move not educated or wise but "COOL". and everybody knowsthe bad guy is the coolest. so now im the "BADGUY" thats my superhero name "BADGUY". da's who ME the "BADGUY" so make way, theres a bad guy blogging in this post. take a good look at these words, cuz dis da las time jew gonna c some bad words like dis again ma'an.
Quit Hatin The South U BItchez Cuzz most of the shit ya'll sample came from where you guessed it the SOUTH u hatin azz bitchez
The question is not whether hip hop is art or poison. The question should be is entertainment art or poison. To me entertainment that promotes sin and contributes to people being placed under demonic influences is poison, period.
H-Town ghostrider:
And you guys like eveything thats comes out from the south, just as long as its southern, niggas kissing each other, greasy ass niggas rappin, it dont matter, ya'll niggas is so thirsty for fame you'd support a rapping cowboy as long as his spurs had 24's on them!
And writing fuck new york makes you look and sound like the fuckin hater, all you southern niggas cryin about NYC evey chance you get like niggas snatched your candy or some shit.
Nigga I dont own 1 street in NYC so I aint your problem, niggas stay actin like ya'll niggas come up took so long cause of me or something. lol.
Its like, just come on out and say fuck new york for the world to hear then? Niggas is so tough, set it.
Make NYC respect you, dubbs and strippers aint enough chump.
and you wouldnt do shit anyway BUT get online & write about it to an imaginary opponent. Thats all ya'll niggas is doin nowadays, running to the internet cryin about NYC on someones blog.
Fuckin coward.
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I think its the other way around playboi, we just giving back what yall lames give to us. We dont give a fuck if yall respect us or not, we could care less. Cuz we never respected yall, we always seen thru yall hollywood ass niggas. WINDEX ass niggas. C'mon bruh, everybody know NYC been soft for like 15 years, yall current NYC cats still living off the swagger of niggas in 70's and 80's.
I don't know if anybody touched on this but I think that it is such a hot button issue because Hip Hop is so mainstream these days. It's not a black thing, latino thing anymore it's a universal thing. Hip Hop is selling beer, soda, cars, soap you fucking name it rappers are endorsing it. So of course mainstream media is going to analyze it to the fullest. And honestly that argument of "hey Eric Clapton made a song about Coccaine, all these heavy metal guys worship the devil really doesn't hold weight anymore. Look at any popular rock artist these days and you will see CD's that don't deal heavily with drugs or sex. Yeah there is some but not on the level that rappers are discussing. All the death and destruction in rock has been pushed to the fringes because the mainstream radio MTV and the other video places aren't playing them in there regular rotation. But if a rapper has 13 songs about coccaine on his album he will get MTV, BET, even pop radio play. So am I surprised that somebody wants to look more closely at the influence rap has on kids when little susan is singing along to "I push and I push, I ride and I ride" on TRL, no not at all. It is just terrible that the media portrays the whole of Hip Hop as only dealing with drugs, violence and sex, but what do you expect they get there information about hip hop from MTV, BET, and the mainstream radio.
1st of all did anybody hear the Frank Ski Show this morning?? It was pretty deep he was talking about how Balcks are not getting behind Barack Obama.. Very interesting opinions about why we as a nation aren't behind him and we are being overly critical about him.. (Not the white or latino) They interviewed a Republican Senator from GA. Who said "US" Blacks we are still suffering from some type of (PSS) Post Slave Syndrome... A few years ago blacks came out in the MILLIONS for John Kerry a Senator from Mass. Do we know anything about John Kerry other than the fact that he married into one of the richest families in New England... That makes him player and all but Damn!! A Good President, not neccesarily... This is my point I was going to vote for the Best Candidate wheteher its Obama or Clinton, but they opened the flood gates so lets make it rain...
I CHALLENGE ALL OF YOU BLOGGERS TO RESEARCH THE PERSON WHO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD...
"WE GOTTA WAKE UP AS A PEOPLE, WE GOT TO"
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-Did David slay Goliath again or was it the horrible journalism job he was doing???
Where is the Gyant???
DJ OKTOBA Let me write the Blog 4 Real!!!
damn gyant got fired didnt he!
THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS NY RAP........NEW YORK IS RAP PERIOD! BITCHES!
STOP TRYIN TO BE LIKE US AND FIT IN.....IF YOU AINT GROW UP N THE NYC....STOP XEROXING OUR STYLE YOU PEONS!
NIGGAZ GOT THE NERVE TO CATAGORIZE SHIT AS NY RAP! WHY SO WHEN YOU SAY ATLANTA RAP....REAL FANS CANT SAY YOU REALLY MEAN GARBAGE RAP?
SAD THAT IGNORANCE MAKES THE WORLD A SILLY PLACE TO LIVE IN
I hope he did. Cause this dude is a LAMMMEEEEE.
Or maybe he's actually taking his time to write a decent post instead of all these non Atl shit sandwiches he dishes out. I would fired this dude on principal alone, because I wouldnt want him making any of the SOHH users any dumber or gay.
You do know this cat is teh ghey right??
Well you do now. Hes a tucker, and not like chris tucker, like Ru Paul tucker.
What the fuck ever! THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS NY RAP........NEW YORK IS RAP PERIOD! BITCHES! Psst! Like sATaLyte said "If your a regional rap fan you ain't really a rap fan". Get off it.
This sounds a little too good to be true. Watch him come back later on w/ some dumb ass post about LI'l Bow Wow and Rich Boy having sex in an alley. I bet he's just sick/not feeling well.
Black people don't live in reality across the board and it hurts our music, education, politics, relationships, and personal growth.
Hiphop is not an exclusively black art nor is it poison but it does almost exclusively represent the way a lot of blacks have devloped in society. We CHOOSE to ignore the real issues and chase unrealistic dreams instead. The priorities are WRONG and our values are misplaced. Hiphop serves as a mirror to the black community and tells the world what we think of ourselves.
A lot of blacks want to believe that we've arrived and that we're doing so well when in reality we are worst off in 2007 than we were in 1940 because we've lost ourselves and our self-love in a world of mass media and material items. Thats why Obama will not be elected president. The world see's us for who we really are and not what we're trying to be or want to be! the US is not going to brand themselves with the face of a blackman as the leader of the free world especially under the current social status of the majority of blacks..
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit about "white music execs sitting in a back room and conspiring to make black people look bad." That's fucking bullshit, and you all know it. Whatever message the rappers are putting out there, whatever trends they create, they're responsible for it.
I don't know how people can deny the power of African-Americans in the music industry. Russell Simmons is the FOUNDER of DefJam, JayZ is the CEO. P-Diddy owns and controls a HUGE entertainment conglomerate. Dr. Dre, Jermain Dupree, Master P, Lil Jon all have fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars, own their own labels, and are important investors and executives in the top five music labels. 50 cent signs other artists and has a ton of influence inside Interscope.
Why is it so hard to admit that black people are completely integrated into the corporate structure of the music business and occupying positions of immense power? Some of them taking the dual roles of entertainer and businessman, using the money they earned as recording artists to get into it and gain influence on the business side of things. That's been going on for a long time now, and now their influence inside the music business is gigantic. It's what most of the big names in rap talk about in-between the other shit.
When southern rap came up, most of these guys were on local labels, who signed distribution deals with the major lables. That's it, no other creative involvement with place like Swishahouse. They record what they want and all the Big 5 do is manufacture the disks.
The most successful rappers eventually came to wield immense power within the record labels themselves, although it seems as if members of the black community want to deny it so that they can sleep better at night.
I'm sick of hearing this bullshit about "white music execs sitting in a back room and conspiring to make black people look bad." That's fucking bullshit, and you all know it. Whatever message the rappers are putting out there, whatever trends they create, they're responsible for it.
I don't know how people can deny the power of African-Americans in the music industry. Russell Simmons is the FOUNDER of DefJam, JayZ is the CEO. P-Diddy owns and controls a HUGE entertainment conglomerate. Dr. Dre, Jermain Dupree, Master P, Lil Jon all have fortunes in the hundreds of millions of dollars, own their own labels, and are important investors and executives in the top five music labels. 50 cent signs other artists and has a ton of influence inside Interscope.
Why is it so hard to admit that black people are completely integrated into the corporate structure of the music business and occupying positions of immense power? Some of them taking the dual roles of entertainer and businessman, using the money they earned as recording artists to get into it and gain influence on the business side of things. That's been going on for a long time now, and now their influence inside the music business is gigantic. It's what most of the big names in rap talk about in-between the other shit.
When southern rap came up, most of these guys were on local labels, who signed distribution deals with the major lables. That's it, no other creative involvement with place like Swishahouse. They record what they want and all the Big 5 do is manufacture the disks.
The most successful rappers eventually came to wield immense power within the record labels themselves, although it seems as if members of the black community want to deny it so that they can sleep better at night.
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